CNN sues the WH over Acosta ban

[Value Buy]

LOL, just assign a real reporter to the post. He did not have the balls to even sue. the right of CNN to be there has not been hampered, as anyone they put there would be accepted as a replacement.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/cnn-sues-trump-administration-demands-acostas-press-pass-be-restored/ar-BBPEObA

[Tennesseer]

VB-do you watch Fox for your news?

[billisonboard]

Nov 13, 2018 10:24:46 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

... as anyone they put there would be accepted as a replacement.
...

Maybe. And only as long as the current Administration decides they are welcome. Giving the White House veto power over who the press can have covering the president is a dangerous thing.

[Value Buy]

Nov 13, 2018 11:05:55 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Nov 13, 2018 10:24:46 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

... as anyone they put there would be accepted as a replacement.
...

Maybe. And only as long as the current Administration decides they are welcome. Giving the White House veto power over who the press can have covering the president is a dangerous thing.

I am quite sure CNN can continue to report on the President's tweets, live video feeds, etc, as I think they did not stop CNN cameras from presenting the live feed coverage.
CNN's reporter cannot verbally attack or argue with the President live from the briefing room anymore.
As far as Acosta's civil rights, CNN can now give him five hours of primetime every night if they want. Of course what would they do with Don Lemon? Maybe ask for WH credentials for him and take over for Acosta. Lemon is probably game on this  

[billisonboard]

Nov 13, 2018 11:21:47 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Nov 13, 2018 11:05:55 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Maybe. And only as long as the current Administration decides they are welcome. Giving the White House veto power over who the press can have covering the president is a dangerous thing.

I am quite sure CNN can continue to report on the President's tweets, live video feeds, etc, as I think they did not stop CNN cameras from presenting the live feed coverage.
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None of which is the same as direct questioning of power.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

What do they get from the WH press briefing? Just more lies from Sarah and her attitude.

[Value Buy]

Nov 13, 2018 11:28:35 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

What do they get from the WH press briefing? Just more lies from Sarah and her attitude.

I think we are blaming Trump here for Acosta ban....try to keep on topic!

[Gardening Grandma]

Nov 13, 2018 11:21:47 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Nov 13, 2018 11:05:55 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Maybe. And only as long as the current Administration decides they are welcome. Giving the White House veto power over who the press can have covering the president is a dangerous thing.

I am quite sure CNN can continue to report on the President's tweets, live video feeds, etc, as I think they did not stop CNN cameras from presenting the live feed coverage.
CNN's reporter cannot verbally attack or argue with the President live from the briefing room anymore.
As far as Acosta's civil rights, CNN can now give him five hours of primetime every night if they want. Of course what would they do with Don Lemon? Maybe ask for WH credentials for him and take over for Acosta. Lemon is probably game on this  

I think you are missing tbe point. The WH should not be dictating which journalist is assigned there. It’s the job iof journalists to ask the hard questions and tbe job of the POTUS to answer the hard questions. He wants softball questions. Faux “news” gives him those.
Besides, I’m pretty sure there is legal precedent and in the previous case, the WH lost

[Value Buy]

Nov 13, 2018 11:38:16 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Nov 13, 2018 11:21:47 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I am quite sure CNN can continue to report on the President's tweets, live video feeds, etc, as I think they did not stop CNN cameras from presenting the live feed coverage.
CNN's reporter cannot verbally attack or argue with the President live from the briefing room anymore.
As far as Acosta's civil rights, CNN can now give him five hours of primetime every night if they want. Of course what would they do with Don Lemon? Maybe ask for WH credentials for him and take over for Acosta. Lemon is probably game on this  

I think you are missing tbe point. The WH should not be dictating which journalist is assigned there. It’s the job iof journalists to ask the hard questions and tbe job of the POTUS to answer the hard questions. He wants softball questions. Faux “news” gives him those.
Besides, I’m pretty sure there is legal precedent and in the previous case, the WH lost

And you miss the fact Acosta is no longer reporting. Nothing but an attack dog piece.

[Gardening Grandma]

Acosta isn’t tbe issue. If the WH gets to pick and choose the reporters, that would have a chilling effect on the role of a free press to scrutinize.

I found the legal precedent
The case of Robert Sherrill who was banned. In 1977 The courts held that the WH was in violation of the 1st and 5th ammendments. In order to ban a reporter, the WH has to issue a good reason, in writing. “POTUS doesn’t like him” is not a good reason and the WH has not put anything in writing

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Sherrill

[hurley1980]

Nov 13, 2018 11:21:47 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Nov 13, 2018 11:05:55 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Maybe. And only as long as the current Administration decides they are welcome. Giving the White House veto power over who the press can have covering the president is a dangerous thing.

I am quite sure CNN can continue to report on the President's tweets, live video feeds, etc, as I think they did not stop CNN cameras from presenting the live feed coverage.
CNN's reporter cannot verbally attack or argue with the President live from the briefing room anymore.
As far as Acosta's civil rights, CNN can now give him five hours of primetime every night if they want. Of course what would they do with Don Lemon? Maybe ask for WH credentials for him and take over for Acosta. Lemon is probably game on this  

Acosta never verbally attacked or argued with Trump, he did his job as a journalist by trying to get the truth and report it.  And if Trump hated Acosta so much, why did he always call on him to ask a question.  Trump is just doing what he does best....playing a reality TV personality, causing drama, and threatening our freedom of press while he's doing it.  I'm glad CNN is suing!

[Virgil Showlion]

I fail to see how the WH couldn't revoke the credentials of a reporter who refused repeated orders by the President to stand down. Not only were Mr. Acosta's actions profoundly disrespectful, tolerating them--or worse, having the courts sanction them--will only invite similar incidents in future.

If Mr. Acosta offers a public apology and a personal assurance that he'll heed the President and Press Secretary unconditionally in future, I can see wisdom in reinstating his credentials. (If he's already done these things, so be it. I'm not keeping close track of the story.) But absent either the apology or the assurance, the WH is wise to hold their ground, and the courts will be doing both the US presidency and the American people a disservice by ruling for CNN in the suit. The issue is bigger than one president and one reporter.

[Gardening Grandma]

Nov 13, 2018 12:23:58 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

I fail to see how the WH couldn't revoke the credentials of a reporter who refused repeated orders by the President to stand down. Not only were Mr. Acosta's actions profoundly disrespectful, tolerating them--or worse, having the courts sanction them--will only invite similar incidents in future.

If Mr. Acosta offers a public apology and a personal assurance that he'll heed the President and Press Secretary unconditionally in future, I can see wisdom in reinstating his credentials. (If he's already done these things, so be it. I'm not keeping close track of the story.) But absent either the apology or the assurance, the WH is wise to hold their ground, and the courts will be doing both the US presidency and the American people a disservice by ruling for CNN in the suit. The issue is bigger than one president and one reporter.

Newsflash! Acosta is not in the military. And trump doesn’t get to “order” reporters to stand down. As he will find out.

Acosta does not need to apologize for doing his job, but trump should.

[hurley1980]

[Virgil Showlion]

Nov 13, 2018 12:44:43 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Nov 13, 2018 12:23:58 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

I fail to see how the WH couldn't revoke the credentials of a reporter who refused repeated orders by the President to stand down. Not only were Mr. Acosta's actions profoundly disrespectful, tolerating them--or worse, having the courts sanction them--will only invite similar incidents in future.

If Mr. Acosta offers a public apology and a personal assurance that he'll heed the President and Press Secretary unconditionally in future, I can see wisdom in reinstating his credentials. (If he's already done these things, so be it. I'm not keeping close track of the story.) But absent either the apology or the assurance, the WH is wise to hold their ground, and the courts will be doing both the US presidency and the American people a disservice by ruling for CNN in the suit. The issue is bigger than one president and one reporter.

Newsflash! Acosta is not in the military. And trump doesn’t get to “order” reporters to stand down. As he will find out.

Acosta does not need to apologize for doing his job, but trump should.

Mr. Acosta's civilian status is irrelevant. Pres. Trump can indeed order reporters to stand down as he addresses the press gallery, and his orders should be respected. Whether the courts uphold revoking a press pass on this basis, we have yet to find out.

Mr. Acosta was not conducting himself professionally. His belligerence was, at best, futile and disruptive; it benefited nobody. He should apologize. Possibly Pres. Trump also said or did things that warrant an apology, but ordering the revocation of Mr. Acosta's press pass isn't one of them.

I realize you disagree with most of this. Just stating it for the record.

[weltschmerz]

Nov 13, 2018 13:07:24 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Nov 13, 2018 12:44:43 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Newsflash! Acosta is not in the military. And trump doesn’t get to “order” reporters to stand down. As he will find out.

Acosta does not need to apologize for doing his job, but trump should.

Mr. Acosta's civilian status is irrelevant. Pres. Trump can indeed order reporters to stand down as he addresses the press gallery, and his orders should be respected. Whether the courts uphold revoking a press pass on this basis, we have yet to find out.

Mr. Acosta was not conducting himself professionally. His belligerence was, at best, futile and disruptive; it benefited nobody. He should apologize. Possibly Pres. Trump also said or did things that warrant an apology, but ordering the revocation of Mr. Acosta's press pass isn't one of them.

I realize you disagree with most of this. Just stating it for the record.

Lol! Remind me again of when Trump himself conducted himself professionally. His belligerence is, at best, futile and disruptive.

[swamp]

Nov 13, 2018 13:07:24 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Nov 13, 2018 12:44:43 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Newsflash! Acosta is not in the military. And trump doesn’t get to “order” reporters to stand down. As he will find out.

Acosta does not need to apologize for doing his job, but trump should.

Mr. Acosta's civilian status is irrelevant. Pres. Trump can indeed order reporters to stand down as he addresses the press gallery, and his orders should be respected. Whether the courts uphold revoking a press pass on this basis, we have yet to find out.

Mr. Acosta was not conducting himself professionally. His belligerence was, at best, futile and disruptive; it benefited nobody. He should apologize. Possibly Pres. Trump also said or did things that warrant an apology, but ordering the revocation of Mr. Acosta's press pass isn't one of them.

I realize you disagree with most of this. Just stating it for the record.

Did you watch the same video the rest of us did?

Acosta asked a question.  Trump didn't like it and called Acosta rude.    Then an intern was told to take Acosta's mic away. 

Newsflash, you're president and you're gonna get questions you don't like.     

[Value Buy]

Nov 13, 2018 13:07:24 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Nov 13, 2018 12:44:43 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Newsflash! Acosta is not in the military. And trump doesn’t get to “order” reporters to stand down. As he will find out.

Acosta does not need to apologize for doing his job, but trump should.

Mr. Acosta's civilian status is irrelevant. Pres. Trump can indeed order reporters to stand down as he addresses the press gallery, and his orders should be respected. Whether the courts uphold revoking a press pass on this basis, we have yet to find out.

Mr. Acosta was not conducting himself professionally. His belligerence was, at best, futile and disruptive; it benefited nobody. He should apologize. Possibly Pres. Trump also said or did things that warrant an apology, but ordering the revocation of Mr. Acosta's press pass isn't one of them.

I realize you disagree with most of this. Just stating it for the record.

This was not Mr. Acosta's first outburst with the WH. It has been going on since March of 2017. Enough is enough.

[swamp]

What outburst?  He asked a question, which is his job.   Trump then berated him.    Then some poor intern was instructed to take his mic.   He said "excuse me," admittedly not very nicely.  Sneak up on me and take something from me while I'm being berated and I'd probably smack someone out of reflex.  

IT IS NOT THE PRESS'S JOB TO BE NICE TO THE PRESIDENT AND ASK HIM SOFTBALL QUESTIONS THAT MAKE HIM HAPPY.   

[hurley1980]

I can't believe how coddled Trump is by his followers. He's a grown man in one of the most powerful positions in the world!  Other presidents have taken tough questions from reporters and handled it like adults, what makes Trump so different in his supporters eyes, that everyone must be nice to him? Are you afraid he can't handle it?  Or do you KNOW he can't handle it, and just don't want to admit you hate seeing him act like a fool because its embarrassing to you as a supporter? 

[weltschmerz]

"Can you tell us again how wonderful you are, Mr.President?"
That's the kind of question Trump likes.

[Gardening Grandma]

Nov 13, 2018 14:42:25 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Nov 13, 2018 13:07:24 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Mr. Acosta's civilian status is irrelevant. Pres. Trump can indeed order reporters to stand down as he addresses the press gallery, and his orders should be respected. Whether the courts uphold revoking a press pass on this basis, we have yet to find out.

Mr. Acosta was not conducting himself professionally. His belligerence was, at best, futile and disruptive; it benefited nobody. He should apologize. Possibly Pres. Trump also said or did things that warrant an apology, but ordering the revocation of Mr. Acosta's press pass isn't one of them.

I realize you disagree with most of this. Just stating it for the record.

This was not Mr. Acosta's first outburst with the WH. It has been going on since March of 2017. Enough is enough.

There was no “outburst”.... Only a persistent reporter asking a question the infantile, incompetent one did not like. He isn’t a king. Why do you defend an attack on our democracy?

[Virgil Showlion]

Nov 13, 2018 14:33:38 GMT -5 swamp said:

Nov 13, 2018 13:07:24 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Mr. Acosta's civilian status is irrelevant. Pres. Trump can indeed order reporters to stand down as he addresses the press gallery, and his orders should be respected. Whether the courts uphold revoking a press pass on this basis, we have yet to find out.

Mr. Acosta was not conducting himself professionally. His belligerence was, at best, futile and disruptive; it benefited nobody. He should apologize. Possibly Pres. Trump also said or did things that warrant an apology, but ordering the revocation of Mr. Acosta's press pass isn't one of them.

I realize you disagree with most of this. Just stating it for the record.

Did you watch the same video the rest of us did?

Acosta asked a question.  Trump didn't like it and called Acosta rude.    Then an intern was told to take Acosta's mic away. 

Newsflash, you're president and you're gonna get questions you don't like.     

The appropriate response by a professional reporter is to report, "When asked a question about the migrant caravan, Pres. Trump flatly refused to answer, instead moving on to...", and let the public be the judge.

An honest reporter would include, per context, the fact that Pres. Trump had already answered nearly 70 questions over a period of half an hour, and only refused to answer Mr. Acosta's third question in a row.

But whether Pres. Trump was stonewalling and/or Mr. Acosta was badgering him is irrelevant. When a world leader giving a press conference tells you to sit down and let him speak, you comply. I wouldn't tolerate the kind of belligerence demonstrated by Mr. Acosta if he'd been addressing a professor at a lecture or a CEO at a shareholder meeting, let alone the US President. And if he resisted an attempt to confiscate his microphone by the organizers, he'd be out on his can so fast it'd make his head spin.

If the courts rule in his favour to reinstate his press pass, I expect at the very least they'll permit the WH to come up with an explicit set of guidelines that permit the ejection of anyone acting the way Mr. Acosta did during the briefing.

[happyhoix]

Nov 13, 2018 13:07:24 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Nov 13, 2018 12:44:43 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Newsflash! Acosta is not in the military. And trump doesn’t get to “order” reporters to stand down. As he will find out.

Acosta does not need to apologize for doing his job, but trump should.

Mr. Acosta's civilian status is irrelevant. Pres. Trump can indeed order reporters to stand down as he addresses the press gallery, and his orders should be respected. Whether the courts uphold revoking a press pass on this basis, we have yet to find out.

Mr. Acosta was not conducting himself professionally. His belligerence was, at best, futile and disruptive; it benefited nobody. He should apologize. Possibly Pres. Trump also said or did things that warrant an apology, but ordering the revocation of Mr. Acosta's press pass isn't one of them.

I realize you disagree with most of this. Just stating it for the record.

Virgil is the Canadian parliament anything like the British House of Commons?  With all the shouting, cat calls and animal sounds? All the MPs shouting down the speaker at once?

Being Canadian, you may not realize that in this country, it's traditional for reporters to shout their questions at the president. It is not disrespectful, it's tradition, just like the House of Commons. Competent politicians know how to politely deflect questions they don't want to answer. They know how to quickly move on to the next question, and still retain their dignity and composure.  At the same time, freedom of the press insures every reporter has a right to be in the room. This is how it has always been, at least since I've been alive, and I suspect, for as long as Trump's been alive, but I also suspect Trump doesn't realize that because up to now he hasn't paid attention to politics much.  It makes him furious that the press won't toady to him, but that's his problem, and not the press' problem.

If you want people politely raising their hand to speak and then shutting up, look at the nearest kindergarten room, but you won't find it at a political press conference.

[hurley1980]

Id still like to know why Trump called on Acosta if he hates him so much.  Oh wait, its because Trump loves drama, and he wanted this exact situation to happen because it distracts from everything else going on.

[happyhoix]

Nov 13, 2018 15:07:38 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Nov 13, 2018 14:33:38 GMT -5 swamp said:

Did you watch the same video the rest of us did?

Acosta asked a question.  Trump didn't like it and called Acosta rude.    Then an intern was told to take Acosta's mic away. 

Newsflash, you're president and you're gonna get questions you don't like.     

The appropriate response by a professional reporter is to report, "When asked a question about the migrant caravan, Pres. Trump flatly refused to answer, instead moving on to...", and let the public be the judge.

An honest reporter would include, per context, the fact that Pres. Trump had already answered nearly 70 questions over a period of half an hour, and only refused to answer Mr. Acosta's third question in a row.

But whether Pres. Trump was stonewalling and/or Mr. Acosta was badgering him is irrelevant. When a world leader giving a press conference tells you to sit down and let him speak, you comply. I wouldn't tolerate the kind of belligerence demonstrated by Mr. Acosta if he'd been addressing a professor at a lecture or a CEO at a shareholder meeting, let alone the US President. And if he resisted an attempt to confiscate his microphone by the organizers, he'd be out on his can so fast it'd make his head spin.

If the courts rule in his favour to reinstate his press pass, I expect at the very least they'll permit the WH to come up with an explicit set of guidelines that permit the ejection of anyone acting the way Mr. Acosta did during the briefing.

Yes, a CEO at a shareholder meeting would expect decorum, as would a professor.  Neither example is the same as a press conference environment. Again, I have to assume you don't know this because you're Canadian.

[weltschmerz]

"Virgil is the Canadian parliament anything like the British House of Commons? With all the shouting, cat calls and animal sounds? All the MPs shouting down the speaker at once?"

Oh, it is. Very much so.

[weltschmerz]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2243989/Brawl-Canadas-House-Commons-nearly-averted-fight-caught-video.html


It looks like the scene from a banana republic or a third world state.



But this is actually the House of Commons in Canada after politicians nearly came to blows during a fight inside the debating chamber.



Peter Van Loan, the government’s House leader, sparked the row when he stormed across the floor to confront Tom Mulcair, his counterpart from the opposition New Democratic Party on Wednesday.



In a rage he leaned over his desk and screamed ‘threatening language’ whilst wagging his finger in his face.

[hurley1980]

Nov 13, 2018 15:07:38 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Nov 13, 2018 14:33:38 GMT -5 swamp said:

Did you watch the same video the rest of us did?

Acosta asked a question.  Trump didn't like it and called Acosta rude.    Then an intern was told to take Acosta's mic away. 

Newsflash, you're president and you're gonna get questions you don't like.     

The appropriate response by a professional reporter is to report, "When asked a question about the migrant caravan, Pres. Trump flatly refused to answer, instead moving on to...", and let the public be the judge.

An honest reporter would include, per context, the fact that Pres. Trump had already answered nearly 70 questions over a period of half an hour, and only refused to answer Mr. Acosta's third question in a row.

But whether Pres. Trump was stonewalling and/or Mr. Acosta was badgering him is irrelevant. When a world leader giving a press conference tells you to sit down and let him speak, you comply. I wouldn't tolerate the kind of belligerence demonstrated by Mr. Acosta if he'd been addressing a professor at a lecture or a CEO at a shareholder meeting, let alone the US President. And if he resisted an attempt to confiscate his microphone by the organizers, he'd be out on his can so fast it'd make his head spin.

If the courts rule in his favour to reinstate his press pass, I expect at the very least they'll permit the WH to come up with an explicit set of guidelines that permit the ejection of anyone acting the way Mr. Acosta did during the briefing.

Trump works for US!!!!!  Acosta is a tax paying citizen, and therefor Trump works for HIM!  If your employee told you to sit down and shut up, would you just do it?  I seriously doubt you would....

[moon/Laura]

Nov 13, 2018 15:41:43 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Nov 13, 2018 15:37:30 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

*Quote removed as post quoted has been removed. - mmhmm, Administrator

*Quote removed as post quoted has been removed. - mmhmm, Administrator

Bieber? Eww, no!

To the topic, Trump should not be able to revoke credentials like that. Acosta was doing his job. Trump is just a snowflake.