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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on Apr 7, 2011 21:36:58 GMT -5
<<because his team of private investigator can not find any hospital records to back up his birth certificate.. >>
As a former hospital worker, I'm not surprised. Due to HIPPA regulations, medical facilities are (or had best be) fanatics about patient confidentiality.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 7, 2011 21:37:47 GMT -5
bills doesn't want to talk about Obama's qualifications. ... Obama received 365 electoral votes, and McCain 173.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Apr 7, 2011 22:12:24 GMT -5
"A separate WND investigation into Obama's certification of live birth utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there."
Thats great Ms. oped. Now for the third time I've asked on this thread, look at the image and give me your opinion. Do you think it is photoshopped, or not?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2011 22:13:19 GMT -5
no. I don't.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Apr 7, 2011 22:29:23 GMT -5
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Apr 8, 2011 1:12:59 GMT -5
I think what you're missing is that Trump doesn't have a losing hand. The choices are:
a) Obama is a fraud, or
b) Obama has a real long form birth certificate.
If a), then it's fairly obvious how that goes-- chaos enuses, everything Obama even had a fleeting thought about is voided overnight and a lot of Republican and Democrat officials are toast, Obama himself may very well be deported, and there's an outside chance he'd be arrested and imprisoned.
b) if obama is a citizen, the question arises: why did he wait so long to prove it? Why did he drag it out?
BTW- and you can take this FWIW, it's VERY likely (as in not just a little bit) Obama is Constitutionally ineligible to serve as President, the State of Hawaii knows it, and they've been covering it up. All the other states relied on Hawaii. There are several FBI and Secret service members that know. I know someone that knows some of these men and women. They tell me that this scandal is real, they do not know how it will shake out, but it is highly likely at this point that BHO will NOT seek a second term, and/or he will be challenged in a primary that he will lose (by design). They seem to doubt it will ever come to full light, but if it does-- buckle up, cuz it'll be really bumpy at that point...
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Apr 8, 2011 9:26:05 GMT -5
There's no substance to that reply patstab. What I've noticed is that, "You're just a crazy birther nut" is the ONLY reply Obama supporters have. They have zero evidence Obama was born in the United States. Trump is a known quanitity. He's been on the national scene since the 1980's, and he's a lot of things, but he is not a fool or a nut job. Like I said, Trump doesn't have a losing hand here. If he backs Obama into a corner and eventually compels Obama to produce a valid birth certificate-- at that point, it won't matter if he has one. The question will be, Why? Why did you wait so long to produce it? And all of you here will have to admit after that happens that it had NOT happened BEFORE that. The other option is unthinkable, but it grows more likely by the day, doesn't it? The fallout from an Obama fraud-- if this is all just a big fraud-- will lead to a top-down scrubbing of government the likes of which we haven't seen since the revolution. NOBODY will be trusted. Americans will all be asking the question who knew what and when they knew it...
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Post by chiver78 on Apr 8, 2011 9:30:42 GMT -5
There's no substance to that reply patstab. What I've noticed is that, "You're just a crazy birther nut" is the ONLY reply Obama supporters have. They have zero evidence Obama was born in the United States. Paul, the State of Hawaii has certified that the President's birth, within the state, has been appropriately recorded in the state's files. what specifically are you looking for, that has not already been done? I have seen requests for 'long form' type paper records, which will never be found because the state does not use them.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 8, 2011 9:34:38 GMT -5
... They have zero evidence Obama was born in the United States. ... Except for the Certificate of Live Birth, microfiche of birth announcements, and statements by Hawaiin officials. On the other hand, there is you saying that when you look at an enlarged picture of the Certificate posted on the internet, that it looks to you like it was photoshopped.
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Post by chiver78 on Apr 8, 2011 9:35:57 GMT -5
... They have zero evidence Obama was born in the United States. ... Except for the Certificate of Live Birth, microfiche of birth announcements, and statements by Hawaiin officials. On the other hand, there is you saying that when you look at an enlarged picture of the Certificate posted on the internet, that it looks to you like it was photoshopped. you forgot anecdotal evidence - the badly translated interviews with relatives over in Kenya. the ones that everyone backpedaled from once the necessary soundbites were recorded.
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Post by ChiTownVenture on Apr 8, 2011 9:37:47 GMT -5
Trump: I have ‘real doubts’ Obama was born in U.S. The potential candidate says he wants to see proof Says long form, unsigned, certificate of live birth certificate with no serial number is "not even close", says Obama has "spent two million dollars in legal fees trying to get away from this issue" and "I have people that are now studying it, and they cannot believe what they're finding". today.msnbc.msn.com/id/42469703/ns/today-today_people/Every time I read this statement "and they cannot believe what they're finding" it makes me think, can they not believe what they are finding because they are finding that everything that Obama and HI has been saying all long it true? or is it that they uncovered some secret? In any case if it's so ground breaking why doesn't Trump start releasing the information. Whats with the big build up?
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Post by swamp on Apr 8, 2011 9:38:07 GMT -5
Except for the Certificate of Live Birth, microfiche of birth announcements, and statements by Hawaiin officials. On the other hand, there is you saying that when you look at an enlarged picture of the Certificate posted on the internet, that it looks to you like it was photoshopped. you forgot anecdotal evidence - the badly translated interviews with relatives over in Kenya. the ones that everyone backpedaled from once the necessary soundbites were recorded. Don't forget the Kenyan birth certificate from 1961, even though Kenya wasn't a country until 1963.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Apr 8, 2011 9:43:29 GMT -5
Donald Trump is a lot of things, but he's not going to be made a fool of. He knows something.
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Post by floridayankee on Apr 8, 2011 9:46:33 GMT -5
Donald Trump is a lot of things, but he's not going to be made a fool of. He knows something. Sure...he knows he's keeping all the birthers busy chasing their tails with a silly distraction.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 8, 2011 9:46:51 GMT -5
I especially love the "cover our butt" argument that it doesn't really matter where he was born because his Daddy wasn't the citizen, his Mommy was and in 1789 women didn't have any status so he isn't a "natural born Citizen" anyway.
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Post by chiver78 on Apr 8, 2011 9:48:26 GMT -5
you forgot anecdotal evidence - the badly translated interviews with relatives over in Kenya. the ones that everyone backpedaled from once the necessary soundbites were recorded. Don't forget the Kenyan birth certificate from 1961, even though Kenya wasn't a country until 1963. oh, right. how could I forget that?
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Post by workpublic on Apr 8, 2011 9:48:52 GMT -5
ghaddfi's gonna release obama's real BC. that's what was in the letter.
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Post by Opti on Apr 8, 2011 9:53:40 GMT -5
"They have zero evidence Obama was born in the United States."
Seriously? If there really was no evidence one way or the other why would Trump be spending money and investigators on Hawaii? If there is zero evidence shouldn't he be hunting in every state and every country on the planet?
I think "Birthers" just want to be right and no evidence will satisfy them unless it proves what they believe to be true.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 8, 2011 10:02:33 GMT -5
I think that they just want Barack Hussein Obama out of office and grasp at anything in an attempt to reach that goal.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Apr 8, 2011 10:07:58 GMT -5
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 8, 2011 10:12:00 GMT -5
... If you're going to say its the "lighting" then don't bother and just carry on as you were.... So, don't bother to say truth?
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Post by chiver78 on Apr 8, 2011 10:12:50 GMT -5
great minds think alike. I just went looking for this.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 8, 2011 10:20:41 GMT -5
I bet Obama was the second gunman on the grassy noll too!
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Post by floridayankee on Apr 8, 2011 10:22:45 GMT -5
great minds think alike. I just went looking for this. I can't believe we're 15 pages / 430 posts in to this. Thanks for starting this again Virgil...I knew I didn't like you from day one.
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Post by verrip1 on Apr 8, 2011 10:55:57 GMT -5
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Post by Angel! on Apr 8, 2011 11:43:20 GMT -5
... If you're going to say its the "lighting" then don't bother and just carry on as you were.... So, don't bother to say truth? I love how burns is apparently a photographic analysis expert, but doesn't realize that lighting & the way a photo is taken can change the color of an object. It seems to me that if it were photoshopped, then all the text would have the exact same blackness level. Notice how the background behind the text in 2nd picture is faded out as well. Hmmm...the work of a photoshopper or maybe a variation in lighting between the 2 photos.
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on Apr 8, 2011 11:43:44 GMT -5
Oooh! Oooh! I have a birther argument too! When we became a country, there were the only 13 states, so as per the intent of our Founding Fathers, Obama can't be a citizen because he wasn't born in any of those. Even after the last Founding Father died, Hawaii wasn't nearly a state yet. Or how about because even if Obama was born in a Hawaiian hospital, the materials of the hospital itself (floors, walls, etc.), came from another country, ergo Obama couldn't be a natural born citizen, because he was born in a zone of foreign made materials constructed together. Wow, thinking up these birther theories is fun! Too bad I don't have that sour grapes attitude, don't sit around all day obsessing over someone like that, and I'm just too hindered by reality. Darn! Okay Birthers, make sure you put these in your blogs, start making those spam e-mails, and you can even tell Beck or Limbaugh. I'm not in the "loop," but make sure you notify that source from which Conservatives mysteriously "come up" the same arguments, memes, etc. all at the same time. You know, how one day Saul Alinsky was seldom, if ever, mentioned on the internet, then the next day, liberals are somehow well versed with him 'cause you told us so. I just find it funny how in actuality, Conservatives actually became more well versed by quoting what his tactics were.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Apr 8, 2011 11:46:54 GMT -5
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Post by burnsattornincan on Apr 8, 2011 11:55:30 GMT -5
It seems to me that if it were photoshopped, then all the text would have the exact same blackness level.
I'm not saying someone didn't do a good job. Just not good enough of a job. You don't have to be an expert to ascertain at least some of the print is superimposed. The text at the top right comparing the 2 images, does not match no matter what light or angle you're talking about. You can see the weak print on the faded one is not the same "print" as the dark black one. It cannot change that much due to lighting. Again, you don't have to be an expert to see that.
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