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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 29, 2011 22:44:32 GMT -5
Well, in the beginning the Irish did it through politics, becoming policemen etc, and taking over city politics. Good for them. Military too. The Irish performed heroically in the Civil War which historians credit as being the key that opened doors for the Irish in the major cities but they also got lucky during the 1849 gold rush in California and settled out here in the San Francisco Bay area by opening bars and restaurants. My great grand father was a farmer in Brighton MA and refused to serve in the Civil War, he tore up his draft notice and went back to Roscommon Ireland..He felt the Irish including his relatives were being used as canon fodder during the Civil War because they were taking so many casaulties...just a bit of history folklore which I happen to know something about besides hockey and baseball of course.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 29, 2011 23:20:01 GMT -5
Well on ya, boyo! Good baseball players too. See Big Ed Delehanty- fell off a train crossing Niagara Gorge. There's some revisionist history that the Civil War was a Pub/big biz power grab, and we all would've been better off waiting another10-15 years and slavery would've gone away on its own.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 29, 2011 23:23:37 GMT -5
I was made honorary Irish twice
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 30, 2011 0:30:20 GMT -5
For the sake of argument, we are going to agree that we both believe in re-incarnation and that we both magically got a glimpse of our next life. We don't know the details, but we know one thing is certain: we're going to be born dirt poor, and we will be orphaned before the age of one. No family to speak of, no inheritance, no money. We then magically get three seconds to name the place we want to be born...3...2...1....
Answer honestly, Warsaw. Where did you want to be born in this scenario.
Right. So, end of argument.
I already showed you that you were wrong about all your assumptions about who pays taxes, and how much they pay under different tax rates. The tax code got more progressive under Bush. The rich not only pay more in taxes, they're about the only ones that pay any taxes at all. A whole bunch of people pay no taxes at all, and the middle class lives virtually federal income tax free.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 30, 2011 1:26:55 GMT -5
Sweden, Denmark, or France. And you're quite mad. ;D But I love the way Reaganomics has produced so many terrible jobs that half the people can get food stamps, EITC in order to survive, and only the top 2% are prospering, and mightily.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 30, 2011 1:27:49 GMT -5
What WAS the argument? ;D
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Post by floridayankee on Mar 30, 2011 7:35:57 GMT -5
If you're called a dupe, you take it hard if you fear it's true. Defend your politics then. That's the point of a book I wrote and I'm sticking with it. Fox/Rush/Pub bloggers/Pubs do lie all the time. As a country we CAN'T get past that, and never get to solutions... I don't take it hard as I'm neither a pub nor a dupe. I also don't watch "Fox news" or Rush and I have absolutely no problems discussing politics...with adults. I just grow tired of reading your repetitive name calling and twisted posts (what is a booosh abnyway?) which only serve to make you sound like an idiot (IMHO) and further prove how out-of-touch with reality you far left liberals have become...which is why I usually don't bother responding to your pointless comments. Maybe someday you'll decide to act like an adult and have an actual debate on politics. Until then, I will continue to leave your silly comments under the bridge where you left them.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 30, 2011 8:14:27 GMT -5
Would you like to be rich? I wrote a book on EXACTLY what to do, and it is GUARANTEED to work for EVERY PERSON that does EXACTLY WHAT I SAY in it. I couldn't get it published because it's only ONE SENTENCE, because that's how SIMPLE IT IS TO GET RICH, GUARANTEED. Are you ready to be RICH?
Spend less than what you earn, then save and/or invest the difference.
I submit to you that if we're talking about folks in the United States, that there's nobody that can't do it. Many who won't do it, but few that can't do it.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 30, 2011 8:14:57 GMT -5
And even menial jobs like cashiers are under attack as self-service checkout becomes in vogue.
One does not even need to go to a store to make any retail purchase. Nearly everything can be bought online.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 30, 2011 8:21:04 GMT -5
And even menial jobs like cashiers are under attack as self-service checkout becomes in vogue.One does not even need to go to a store to make any retail purchase. Nearly everything can be bought online. Menial jobs SHOULD be "under attack". Why on earth would any loving, compassionate person want to pay someone enough to be stuck in a sh** job like that for life? The liberal dupes just don't get it- even if there are NO CASHIERS and the machines are all made in CHINA, someone has to maintain those machines, and skilled technitians get paid handsomely to do it. If you have no education, and no skills- it's just reality, you're not going to earn enough money to enter the middle class. You WILL be working poor until YOU CHANGE YOUR SITUATION. Are you a broke ass liberal dupe? Look into the mirror- look deeply into your own eyes and say, "If it's to be, it's up to me!"
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Post by bobbysgirl on Mar 30, 2011 9:45:27 GMT -5
empty arrogance + I have pertinent higher education = non entity This is my new math.
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on Mar 30, 2011 10:02:10 GMT -5
Empty elitist claptrap. Roll down your limousine windows once in a while, and you won't have such a dark view of the world.
It's back to the kiddie table for you, and take your oversized paintbrush with you. Hey maybe you can twist what I say around into a Saul Alinsky rule, that's popular with Conservatives and Independents in name Onlies *hint, hint*. You get a free glass of Kool-aid if you do.
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Post by floridayankee on Mar 30, 2011 10:09:57 GMT -5
<snip all but the useful info> And back under the bridge with warsaw for you. See liberals and conservatives can both make stupid, useless posts.
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Mar 30, 2011 10:17:49 GMT -5
And even menial jobs like cashiers are under attack as self-service checkout becomes in vogue.One does not even need to go to a store to make any retail purchase. Nearly everything can be bought online. Menial jobs SHOULD be "under attack". Why on earth would any loving, compassionate person want to pay someone enough to be stuck in a sh** job like that for life? The liberal dupes just don't get it- even if there are NO CASHIERS and the machines are all made in CHINA, someone has to maintain those machines, and skilled technitians get paid handsomely to do it. If you have no education, and no skills- it's just reality, you're not going to earn enough money to enter the middle class. You WILL be working poor until YOU CHANGE YOUR SITUATION. Are you a broke ass liberal dupe? Look into the mirror- look deeply into your own eyes and say, "If it's to be, it's up to me!" This is because these menial jobs are not worth paying current minimum wage . There would probably be more of these menial jobs if they could pay what the employer thought they where worth. These menial jobs should never be considered for a career or judge by whether they provide a living wage, they should be considered as entry level jobs for teenagers and others entering the job market.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 30, 2011 10:28:04 GMT -5
These menial jobs should never be considered for a career or judge by whether they provide a living wage, they should be considered as entry level jobs for teenagers and others entering the job market.
They are. The bls web site has statistical data that bears this out. Over 85% of these jobs are held by teens and college kids. Also someone holding a min wage job, does so for only six months. The fools that think min wage jobs are career jobs are laughable.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 30, 2011 10:34:21 GMT -5
And the higher the minimum wage, the fewer entry level jobs, and the higher the prices for goods and services which amounts to higher unemployment, and a regressive tax on low income people. It would be better if they were paid less, more jobs were available, and goods and services they need cost them less. But liberal dupes are bound and determined to keep poor people poor and create mindless government dependents of them to further and preserve their own wealth and power. Talk about 'elitism'. Is there anything more elitest then the liberal dupe approach to humanity that says, "You can't make it on your own, you need us"? We'll be fine without you, thanks!
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 30, 2011 12:45:14 GMT -5
LOL!
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 30, 2011 12:46:34 GMT -5
Wow, there's still some Kool-Aid left after Obama's Libya speech yesterday?
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 30, 2011 14:55:34 GMT -5
Boy that Pub dupe drives the nutty pub sheeple crazy! The truth hurts! Robert Schlesinger Poll: Birthers Now Make Up a Majority of Republican Primary Voters By Robert Schlesinger Posted: February 16, 2011 Print I'm starting to think that the Republican Party is actually going crazy. There are the South Dakotans who want to make the murder of an abortion provider "justifiable homicide;" there are legislators in a dozen different states trying to resurrect the long-dead, never-legitimate nullification doctrine; and there's the Virginia state lawmaker who wants the commonwealth to start minting its own money. The latest evidence of fringe nuttiness infecting the Grand Old Party? A new survey from Public Policy Polling shows that a majority of likely Republican presidential primary voters are "birthers"--they believe that President Obama was born in another country. According to PPP's survey, 51 percent of likely 2012 GOP primary voters believe that President Obama was born in another country (which would make him ineligible for the presidency). Another 21 percent say they are "not sure" if the president was born in the United States. Or to put it another way, 72 percent of the people who will be choosing the next Republican presidential nominee are either birthers or birther-curious.A mere 28 percent of the GOP primary electorate responded, correctly, that the president is a natural-born American citizen. [See editorial cartoons about the GOP.] The birther/nonbirther split also seems to reflect a fault line in the GOP primary electorate. Asked who they preferred the Republican nominee to be, the nonbirther minority chose former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney over any of the other named candidates. With 19 percent, Romney still trails "someone else/undecided" but leads former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee (17 percent), former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (11 percent), and Rep. Ron Paul (10 percent). The birther majority, however, has a different view of the potential candidates: Huckabee leads with 24 percent, followed by Palin (19 percent), someone else/undecided (15 percent), Newt Gingrich (14 percent), and finally Romney (11 percent). Perhaps, TNR's Jonathan Chait quips, the birthers "can smell the inauthenticity of [Romney's] attempts to appear like an unhinged right-wing lunatic." [See editorial cartoons about the Tea Party.] Palin, who has flirted with birtherirsm in the past, apparently has serious cred in that department however. She in particularly is viewed starkly differently by birthers and nonbirthers: 83 percent of birthers view her favorably and 12 percent unfavorable, but the numbers are starkly different for nonbirthers, who have a net negative view of her, with 41 percent approving and 52 percent seeing her unfavorably. [See photos of Palin and her family.] Birtherism appears to be on the march. As PPP's Tom Jensen blogs: The GOP birther majority is a new development. The last time PPP tested this question nationally, in August of 2009, only 44% of Republicans said they thought Obama was born outside the country while 36% said that he definitely was born in the United States. If anything birtherism is on the rise. Perhaps, Chait notes, this explains why the "GOP leadership tiptoes so carefully around this issue." As Slate's William Saletan shows, GOP bigwigs are careful to address birther issues (and questions about whether the president is a Christian or a closeted Muslim) as matters of opinion rather than fact. Most recently House Speaker John Boehner, asked on Meet the Press whether he feels a responsibility to repudiate birtherism, demurred that, "it's not my job to tell the American people what to think. Our job in Washington is to listen to the American people." This answer is double inane. First of all it's not a matter of opinion, the president's birthplace is a matter of recorded fact. Suppose Gregory had asked about theories that the moon landing was staged or that President Bush was secretly behind 9/11--would Boehner give similar "everyone's entitled to their opinion" line? (Compare Boehner last weekend, Greg Sargent points out, with Bill Clinton slamming a "truther" during the 2008 presidential campaign.) Robert's 12 Rule of Politics: When a politician says that it's not their place to weigh in on a major issue, they mean that their view runs counter to the party's rabid base. And secondly, it is in fact Boehner's job to tell the American people what to think. That's what leaders do. They make a case, engage in debate, and try to persuade people of the rightness of their position. It's what Boehner himself did, for example, when he spoke out against the proposal to build a Muslim community center a few blocks from Ground Zero. The job of politicians in Washington isn't merely to listen to the American people--it's to engage with them, sometimes persuading them, and sometimes doing what they believe to be correct even if the people don't like it. And if the people don't like it they can vote in new politicians. If Boehner doesn't get that then maybe he should relinquish his job to the computer currently competing on Jeopardy. Check out a roundup of this month's best political cartoons. See photos of the Obamas abroad. Are you on the list? Explore the White House visitor guide. More Robert Schlesinger posts Reader Comments Read All 32 Comments Add Comment Wishing and Hoping It seems some have been wishing and hoping that Obama was born somewhere other than the United States, but to no avail. It seems that those that actually believe Obama was born somewhere other than the United States, do so because of a "feeling" they have about the subject. Republicans had better distance themselves as far as they can from "birthers", otherwise the GOP runs the risk of being in the same groups as "Moon Hoaxers" and the "Bush created 9/11" conspiracies. [report comment] T of CA @ Mar 28, 2011 15:07:41 PM name of hospital To Dan Swanson: According to wikipedia: Obama was born on August 4, 1961, at Kapiʻolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital (now called Kapiʻolani Medical Center for Women and Children) in Honolulu, Hawaii. So that is the name of the hospital. Took me one minute to find out that deep dark secret. [report comment] psmith of IL @ Mar 07, 2011 21:56:26 PM Dr. And Hospital Lets just see the Dr. and Hospital where he was born. The United States was a fairly advanced country in 1961, even Hawaii. They had both Doctors and Hospitals. [report comment] Dan Swanson of MI @ Mar 07, 2011 21:46:00 PM Add Your Thoughts Title Comment 3000 characters left About YouName Email State - state - AL AK AZ AR CA CO CT DE DC FL GA HI ID IL IN IA KS KY LA ME MD MA MI MN MS MO MT NE NV NH NJ NM NY NC ND OH OK OR PA RI SC SD TN TX UT VT VA WA WV WI WY International Please enter the two words below into the text field underneath the image. Your comment will be posted immediately, unless it is spam or contains profanity. For more information, please see our Comments FAQ. Robert Schlesinger Robert Schlesinger is opinion editor at U.S. News and World Report, overseeing all opinion editorial content. He is the author of White House Ghosts: Presidents and Their Speechwriters. Follow him on Twitter: @rschles. RSS Recent Posts Archives Sarah Palin, Donald Trump Winning the GOP 2012 Blog Primary Is Birther Donald Trump a Democratic Sleeper Agent? ;DAnd all that goes for anyone who believed the article that begins this thread.... Pure poppycock and doubletalk for the dupes...
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Post by safeharbor37 on Mar 30, 2011 15:03:29 GMT -5
Reply #152 is 1] completely off topic, 2] not linked, 3] a violation of board rules [or suggestions of moderator], and 4] biased.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 30, 2011 15:22:30 GMT -5
#153 is FOS- the Topic, started on P.1, is that Republican voters are duped by the Fox/Pub/Rush/Economic Research council whatever propaganda machine. Here's some other canards they got all bent out of shape about while the rich elitist pubs were ruining the non-rich and taking all the money (all irrelevant and did NOTHING...): The ACORN SCANDAL was a total Faux/pub hoax. Like the Mosque, the Tides Foundation, the birth thing, the Kenya thing, the Muslim thing, the gov't takeover, giveaway to insurers, huge cost, lose your doctor, and death panel things. Pub Dupes!!! LOL!!! The Obama Recession, stimulus didn't work, and Marxist things...ad infinitum and ad nauseum....how dumb CAN they get....
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Post by safeharbor37 on Mar 30, 2011 15:50:12 GMT -5
1] This thread is not about ACORN, Mosques, the Tides Foundation, the birth thing, the Kenya thing or the Muslim thing. They are completely off topic. 2] You did not link the article you posted. 3] You posted a complete article, a practice posters have been advised against. 4] The article, besides not being relevant, was obviously biased [How much more off topic can you get?]. The Original Topic/Post: An article is cited which states certain opinions and explanations which are of course subject to question and that is what the discussion is for. To discuss the conclusions of the author of the article and either support the conclusions or present counter arguments. Articles were presented which contradicted the OP article ~ so far so good. Then, of course, the thread has been hijacked by posts such as #152 which is completely off subject. If you want to discuss something else, start your own thread on that topic.
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Post by moon/Laura on Mar 30, 2011 15:55:40 GMT -5
Pub Dupes/ dupes of any sort...
this particular term is getting WAY out of hand, in my opinion.. i let it slide for a while but it has really gotten to the point of being used constantly to insult.. i'm going to start deleting posts with that phrase, i think..
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 30, 2011 16:03:42 GMT -5
My entire philosophy is that Pub voters are misled heavily, and I'm never proved wrong. What's a better word? It does refer to their political, not personal, makeup. Doesn't mean illiterate or stupid, not even necessarily careless. The Pubs (mega rich elitist greedy swine and their bought off pols) are great liars and salesmen. Their mythology is just that, blindered and arrogant. Read "The Good Old Days-They Were Terrible"...I'm surrounded by them here where there are more cows than people. Salt of the earth, great people, my friends, but SORELY MISLED IMHO.
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 30, 2011 16:05:14 GMT -5
My entire philosophy is that Pub voters are misled heavily, and I'm never proved wrong. What's a better word? It does refer to their political, not personal, makeup. Doesn't mean illiterate or stupid, not even necessarily careless. The Pubs (mega rich elitist greedy swine and their bought off pols) are great liars and salesmen. Their mythology is just that, blindered and arrogant. Read "The Good Old Days-They Were Terrible"...I'm surrounded by them here where there are more cows than people. Salt of the earth, great people, my friends, but SORELY MISLED IMHO. Likewise, I'm sure
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 30, 2011 16:06:44 GMT -5
The article that begins this thread is patently wrong, and that's not surprising if you dig into 90% of Pub/Fox/Rush "facts" that they base their arguments on...
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 30, 2011 16:12:05 GMT -5
At any rate, I'll say "sorely misled" for a while... but I can't stop the sorely misled it bothers to OCD level. The truth hurts for those whose knowledge is an inch deep and have no memory it appears.- still a political argument.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 30, 2011 16:15:04 GMT -5
Pub Dupes/ dupes of any sort... this particular term is getting WAY out of hand, in my opinion.. i let it slide for a while but it has really gotten to the point of being used constantly to insult.. i'm going to start deleting posts with that phrase, i think.. Thank you!
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 30, 2011 16:20:05 GMT -5
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 30, 2011 16:25:54 GMT -5
Do you know the onlyone here posting worse than hello fromWarsaw??
Ans: Yes another hello fromWarsaw poster !! Thankfully we have just one...could you imagine what two would be like around here...just saying...
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