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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 19, 2018 15:08:19 GMT -5
i prefer to think of it as "time saver". i am not going to chase you down the Clinton hole. i don't give a fuck about them. they let us down, and look what we got.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 19, 2018 15:09:29 GMT -5
i was playing tit for tat, mostly. but just out of curiosity, what cultures? We have what I have heard is a rather unique Chamber of Commerce in that it is not just the local business leaders but includes civic, artistic, and educational groups. We were meeting to look for the "future" of our town. It was clear that, although there is this one repeated event attended by a large percentage of our town's population, none of the people at this meeting had ever gone to the local mud bog races. It was an interesting reaction when I suggested that we work to include some of "those" people into our conversations. you're a good poster, so i am sure you meant to answer that question in a meaningful way.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jul 19, 2018 16:11:58 GMT -5
What did the election prove? Oh that she was the peoples choice. Look at the mess you wound up with. The swamp is worst then ever. We are losing our world allies. Congress is non-functional. Just because there is a greater concentration of population, the monoculture of L.A., Chicago, and NYC do not make up "the people". She lost a majority of the vote in a majority of the states. It is not deniable. Do tell what "the people" encompasses then? Cattle on the plains?? according the us census, the total us population is 308 million, making these 3 urban areas** you disdainfully cited at nearly 13% of the entire us population. 13% of the entire US population.
If these 3 urban areas represented 1 state - there would only be 8 states in total. Trying to put this into perspective-assuming that mathematical representations are not a strong suit. ** urban areas include the city and immediate suburban surrounding communities, aka greater metropolitan areas.
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Post by tallguy on Jul 19, 2018 17:58:58 GMT -5
Current U.S. population is around 326 million, but the point is still accurate. What's more illustrative is this: The groups that are over-represented in Trump counties are older, whiter, less-educated, and less-wealthy.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 20, 2018 9:18:04 GMT -5
There is a good reason for that! yes, your vaunted electoral college and the Russians. Ahhh, geeeees, Do I have to list all the reason the Left has said cause Hillary to lose, from FBI, Comey Facebook, emails, Russians,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, No, She lost cause she was a terrible candidate,, That's it that's all
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Post by Opti on Jul 20, 2018 9:21:16 GMT -5
Trump is a worse candidate and won, so your last sentence really isn't much of an argument.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 20, 2018 12:04:29 GMT -5
... No, She lost cause she was a terrible candidate,, ... Trump is a worse candidate and won, ... I agree Clinton was a terrible candidate and disagree that Trump was a worse candidate. Trump has continued to be a good candidate. What isn't working so well is that he is President of the United States.
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Post by Opti on Jul 20, 2018 12:29:04 GMT -5
We obviously have a different definition of good. To me, a good candidate would make a good or at least decent officeholder for the position they are campaigning for. In my world, one can be an effective candidate and not be a good candidate. Obviously your world is different. In addition, I find it interesting that the RW was pre-seeded with an anti-elite campaign prior to Trump's nomination. I believe that rhetoric definitely enabled Trump's win. I was interested to find in the article I think Chiver posted, that Russia uses that rhetoric to interfere in elections.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 20, 2018 12:52:03 GMT -5
yes, your vaunted electoral college and the Russians. Ahhh, geeeees, Do I have to list all the reason the Left has said cause Hillary to lose, from FBI, Comey Facebook, emails, Russians,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, No, She lost cause she was a terrible candidate,, That's it that's all
no, that is not all. absent all of those other things, she might have won. you have no way of claiming otherwise, AS. if you think you do, then you are lying to yourself. but you won't get away with lying to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 13:28:07 GMT -5
i prefer to think of it as "time saver". i am not going to chase you down the Clinton hole. i don't give a fuck about them. they let us down, and look what we got.
What ever the reason. I cherry pick my discussions also. The old 'pick your battles' thing.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 20, 2018 14:05:05 GMT -5
i prefer to think of it as "time saver". i am not going to chase you down the Clinton hole. i don't give a fuck about them. they let us down, and look what we got.
What ever the reason. I cherry pick my discussions also.The old 'pick your battles' thing.precisely. ultimately there is only one thing we have: our time.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 20, 2018 15:27:08 GMT -5
Trump is a worse candidate and won, so your last sentence really isn't much of an argument. Yeah, by definition- you're wrong. The worse candidate lost and is now complaining about the rules. That is by definition the worst competitor in anything.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 20, 2018 15:29:11 GMT -5
Current U.S. population is around 326 million, but the point is still accurate. What's more illustrative is this: The groups that are over-represented in Trump counties are older, whiter, less-educated, and less-wealthy. Do you have any data to back up this claim?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 20, 2018 15:32:32 GMT -5
Exactly-- and I mean EXACTLY as I predicted, the end of the Mueller probe with respect to collusion was announced on Friday by Rod Rosenstein. After briefing President Trump earlier in the week, Rosenstein announce the indictment of 13 Russian actors for various election-related meddling via "hacking" a DNC server which no one in US law enforcement has ever examined. Within the announcement, Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein made it crystal clear that, "There is no allegation in the indictment that the Americans knew they were communicating with Russian intelligence officers." and "There is no allegation in this indictment that any American citizen committed a crime. There is no allegation that the conspiracy changed the vote count or affected any election result."You will recall that I predicted that Rudi Guilliani was brought on board to say to Mueller, "Look, buddy- this bullshit is over. Now, either you wind this business up willingly- or we will wind it up for you" (My belief is that the trump card (no pun intended) is the declassification of the entire scam going back to the spying this investigation was initiated to cover up). I predicted that Mueller would probably not be shut down outright, but that there would be reached some face-saving arrangement to make it appear as though this was a legitimate investigation into Russian interference in the election, but that in terms of substance- Mueller had nothing, and would produce nothing.
What did we get? The meaningless "indictment" of 13 some odd Russians who will never be questioned, let alone extradited and charged. Instead- as I also predicted- these cases were sloughed off on Jr. associates in the counterintelligence division where cases like this go to die.
We're at the end of Russian collusion. It's all over. Mueller seeking immunity for 5 unnamed witness.... www.cnn.com/2018/07/17/politics/mueller-immunity-request/index.htmlThe end indeed. (Unnamed: Tony Podesta- clintonista whose emails were released by Wikileaks and who desperately needs a get out of jail free card. Could be this is Mueller's whole purpose- and that as he completely abandons the whole Russian collusion thing in favor of old cases the DOJ already took a pass on years back...he may just protect Clinton / DNC allies who are in it up to their eyeballs on his way out before he hands in his "trump should be impeached" report)
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 20, 2018 15:35:04 GMT -5
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 20, 2018 15:40:23 GMT -5
Lisa Page contradicts her FBI lover's testimony: dailycaller.com/2018/07/17/lisa-page-peter-strzok-contradicted/Ordinarily, you could chalk it up to a literal "he said, she said", but since his lies were so outrageous, and her testimony that the plain language of their text messages actually means what it says is rather the obvious conclusion...
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jul 20, 2018 16:17:26 GMT -5
Mueller seeking immunity for 5 unnamed witness.... www.cnn.com/2018/07/17/politics/mueller-immunity-request/index.htmlThe end indeed. (Unnamed: Tony Podesta- clintonista whose emails were released by Wikileaks and who desperately needs a get out of jail free card. Could be this is Mueller's whole purpose- and that as he completely abandons the whole Russian collusion thing in favor of old cases the DOJ already took a pass on years back...he may just protect Clinton / DNC allies who are in it up to their eyeballs on his way out before he hands in his "trump should be impeached" report) Trump will go down in history as the most corrupt president ever, and that is if he escape jail time.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 20, 2018 19:43:25 GMT -5
Trump will go down in history as the most corrupt president ever, and that is if he escape jail time. You are going to be so disappointed.
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Post by Opti on Jul 20, 2018 20:30:41 GMT -5
Trump is a worse candidate and won, so your last sentence really isn't much of an argument. Yeah, by definition- you're wrong. The worse candidate lost and is now complaining about the rules. That is by definition the worst competitor in anything. By what definition? Worse or Candidate?
Yeah, I don't go with your phrase definition. You own it. But speaking of competitor's complaining about the rules, what's up with the whine about the IRS and the Tea Party? No political organization is entitled to form a non-profit for the purpose of promoting their own brand of politics. None.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jul 20, 2018 21:41:02 GMT -5
Trump will go down in history as the most corrupt president ever, and that is if he escape jail time. You are going to be so disappointed. hilarious! do you even know what is meant by "history"?
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 20, 2018 22:31:11 GMT -5
What would be the spin on this?
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Post by Opti on Jul 20, 2018 23:47:55 GMT -5
What would be the spin on this?
I don't agree with the author's opinion nor Strzok's or Page's. The investigation is into Russian collusion in our election. It is not an investigation only into Trump and whether he colluded with Russia to win the election. If it were the latter, which it is not, perhaps people should have been upset. However, the investigation has turned up stuff, so there was things to be found.
And just recently, Trump has been blatantly acting like Putin's puppet. Now people all over the world are wondering how much there is between Trump and Putin, Trump and Russia. Its something. Its a something burger. We just don't know what's in it yet.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 21, 2018 8:54:02 GMT -5
Yea, I do post stuff to be contrary, to counter post from the other side. But I have a serious honest question here. Why do we defend, persons in powerful positions, when they are obviously biased, lie, cover up, ignore things?? I am talking far more here than Strzok, and Page. people that have lied to Congress, no penalty.
I mean, We can go back to Watergate, Contras , Whitewater, Benghazi, We have had persons in powerful position in all of these that are obviously biased, lie, cover up and ignore things!! So why do We defend these people?? the next Great Investigation is problby going to be against one that you back,, would you be happy with that?? So why are the people in Highly Ethical positions not being held accountable?? from all sides?
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 21, 2018 9:11:41 GMT -5
... I mean, We can go back to Watergate, Contras , Whitewater, Benghazi, ... Crédit Mobilier, Whiskey Ring, Teapot Dome, ...
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 21, 2018 9:14:50 GMT -5
Yes it has been going on a long time, why do We tolerate it?
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jul 21, 2018 11:52:34 GMT -5
Yea, I do post stuff to be contrary, to counter post from the other side. But I have a serious honest question here. Why do we defend, persons in powerful positions, when they are obviously biased, lie, cover up, ignore things?? I am talking far more here than Strzok, and Page. people that have lied to Congress, no penalty.
I mean, We can go back to Watergate, Contras , Whitewater, Benghazi, We have had persons in powerful position in all of these that are obviously biased, lie, cover up and ignore things!! So why do We defend these people?? the next Great Investigation is problby going to be against one that you back,, would you be happy with that?? So why are the people in Highly Ethical positions not being held accountable?? from all sides?
Let's take a case study. You ignore everything that incriminates trump, everything that points to trump as being a bad business person, unethical, not paying his contractors, etc. etc. Everything that points to direct ties between trump and putin, financial ties, potential blackmail material, etc. etc. So - why are ignoring all of this while defending him? Constantly and consistently for many many months? Enlighten us!
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 21, 2018 18:54:49 GMT -5
Trump will go down in history as the most corrupt president ever, and that is if he escape jail time. You are going to be so disappointed. about what? jail time? i don't think Rukh thinks that is even LIKELY, let alone PROBABLE. the rest of her assertion is spot on, however. he is already surveying at the bottom. i suspect he won't rise from there.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 21, 2018 18:56:31 GMT -5
Yea, I do post stuff to be contrary, to counter post from the other side. when you side against reasonable people, you should be aware of how that appears.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 21, 2018 19:13:18 GMT -5
Yea, I do post stuff to be contrary, to counter post from the other side. when you side against reasonable people, you should be aware of how that appears. Reasonable??
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