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Post by thyme4change on Jul 17, 2018 13:05:27 GMT -5
So, educate me...I know we have meddled in elections for years. Is it mostly propaganda and financial support for our preferred candidate? Or did we actually take steps to try and stop some people from voting, or expose some dirty secret on the other candidate? I dont really know our history on this one.
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Post by dondub on Jul 17, 2018 15:00:45 GMT -5
Don't forget the occasional assassination or coup d'état.....Guatemala, Chile, Iran come easily to mind.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 17, 2018 15:08:03 GMT -5
Exactly-- and I mean EXACTLY as I predicted, the end of the Mueller probe with respect to collusion was announced on Friday by Rod Rosenstein. After briefing President Trump earlier in the week, Rosenstein announce the indictment of 13 Russian actors for various election-related meddling via "hacking" a DNC server which no one in US law enforcement has ever examined. Within the announcement, Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein made it crystal clear that, "There is no allegation in the indictment that the Americans knew they were communicating with Russian intelligence officers." and "There is no allegation in this indictment that any American citizen committed a crime. There is no allegation that the conspiracy changed the vote count or affected any election result."
You will recall that I predicted that Rudi Guilliani was brought on board to say to Mueller, "Look, buddy- this bullshit is over. Now, either you wind this business up willingly- or we will wind it up for you" (My belief is that the trump card (no pun intended) is the declassification of the entire scam going back to the spying this investigation was initiated to cover up). I predicted that Mueller would probably not be shut down outright, but that there would be reached some face-saving arrangement to make it appear as though this was a legitimate investigation into Russian interference in the election, but that in terms of substance- Mueller had nothing, and would produce nothing.
What did we get? The meaningless "indictment" of 13 some odd Russians who will never be questioned, let alone extradited and charged. Instead- as I also predicted- these cases were sloughed off on Jr. associates in the counterintelligence division where cases like this go to die.
We're at the end of Russian collusion. It's all over.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 17, 2018 15:10:19 GMT -5
What did the election prove? Oh that she was the peoples choice. Look at the mess you wound up with. The swamp is worst then ever. We are losing our world allies. Congress is non-functional. Just because there is a greater concentration of population, the monoculture of L.A., Chicago, and NYC do not make up "the people". She lost a majority of the vote in a majority of the states. It is not deniable.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 17, 2018 15:10:43 GMT -5
Exactly-- and I mean EXACTLY as I predicted, the end of the Mueller probe with respect to collusion was announced on Friday by Rod Rosenstein. After briefing President Trump earlier in the week, Rosenstein announce the indictment of 13 Russian actors for various election-related meddling via "hacking" a DNC server which no one in US law enforcement has ever examined. Within the announcement, Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein made it crystal clear that, "There is no allegation in the indictment that the Americans knew they were communicating with Russian intelligence officers." and "There is no allegation in this indictment that any American citizen committed a crime. There is no allegation that the conspiracy changed the vote count or affected any election result."You will recall that I predicted that Rudi Guilliani was brought on board to say to Mueller, "Look, buddy- this bullshit is over. Now, either you wind this business up willingly- or we will wind it up for you" (My belief is that the trump card (no pun intended) is the declassification of the entire scam going back to the spying this investigation was initiated to cover up). I predicted that Mueller would probably not be shut down outright, but that there would be reached some face-saving arrangement to make it appear as though this was a legitimate investigation into Russian interference in the election, but that in terms of substance- Mueller had nothing, and would produce nothing.
What did we get? The meaningless "indictment" of 13 some odd Russians who will never be questioned, let alone extradited and charged. Instead- as I also predicted- these cases were sloughed off on Jr. associates in the counterintelligence division where cases like this go to die.
We're at the end of Russian collusion. It's all over. Watching Trump fellate Putin yesterday means it's just beginning.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jul 17, 2018 15:12:54 GMT -5
Exactly-- and I mean EXACTLY as I predicted, the end of the Mueller probe with respect to collusion was announced on Friday by Rod Rosenstein. After briefing President Trump earlier in the week, Rosenstein announce the indictment of 13 Russian actors for various election-related meddling via "hacking" a DNC server which no one in US law enforcement has ever examined. Within the announcement, Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein made it crystal clear that, "There is no allegation in the indictment that the Americans knew they were communicating with Russian intelligence officers." and "There is no allegation in this indictment that any American citizen committed a crime. There is no allegation that the conspiracy changed the vote count or affected any election result."You will recall that I predicted that Rudi Guilliani was brought on board to say to Mueller, "Look, buddy- this bullshit is over. Now, either you wind this business up willingly- or we will wind it up for you" (My belief is that the trump card (no pun intended) is the declassification of the entire scam going back to the spying this investigation was initiated to cover up). I predicted that Mueller would probably not be shut down outright, but that there would be reached some face-saving arrangement to make it appear as though this was a legitimate investigation into Russian interference in the election, but that in terms of substance- Mueller had nothing, and would produce nothing.
What did we get? The meaningless "indictment" of 13 some odd Russians who will never be questioned, let alone extradited and charged. Instead- as I also predicted- these cases were sloughed off on Jr. associates in the counterintelligence division where cases like this go to die.
We're at the end of Russian collusion. It's all over. Cuz we saw the collusion happening live on tv🤓 If you look really closely, you can see putins lips moving while trump speaks.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jul 17, 2018 16:49:52 GMT -5
Exactly-- and I mean EXACTLY as I predicted, the end of the Mueller probe with respect to collusion was announced on Friday by Rod Rosenstein. After briefing President Trump earlier in the week, Rosenstein announce the indictment of 13 Russian actors for various election-related meddling via "hacking" a DNC server which no one in US law enforcement has ever examined. Within the announcement, Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein made it crystal clear that, "There is no allegation in the indictment that the Americans knew they were communicating with Russian intelligence officers." and "There is no allegation in this indictment that any American citizen committed a crime. There is no allegation that the conspiracy changed the vote count or affected any election result."You will recall that I predicted that Rudi Guilliani was brought on board to say to Mueller, "Look, buddy- this bullshit is over. Now, either you wind this business up willingly- or we will wind it up for you" (My belief is that the trump card (no pun intended) is the declassification of the entire scam going back to the spying this investigation was initiated to cover up). I predicted that Mueller would probably not be shut down outright, but that there would be reached some face-saving arrangement to make it appear as though this was a legitimate investigation into Russian interference in the election, but that in terms of substance- Mueller had nothing, and would produce nothing.
What did we get? The meaningless "indictment" of 13 some odd Russians who will never be questioned, let alone extradited and charged. Instead- as I also predicted- these cases were sloughed off on Jr. associates in the counterintelligence division where cases like this go to die.
We're at the end of Russian collusion. It's all over. Mueller seeking immunity for 5 unnamed witness.... www.cnn.com/2018/07/17/politics/mueller-immunity-request/index.htmlThe end indeed.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 17, 2018 17:36:19 GMT -5
one candidate may eventually be impeached for failing to play by the rules. so, frankly, this response is utter bullshit. no offense.
Democrats have been waiting for years, for the Bill Clinton payback on impeaching. red herring.
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Post by dondub on Jul 17, 2018 18:29:26 GMT -5
Yeah, that was weak. Clinton was the Repo payback for Nixxon.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 17, 2018 21:49:42 GMT -5
Maybe we should stop electing liars and criminals.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 17, 2018 22:01:31 GMT -5
Maybe we should stop electing liars and criminals. There will be no one left.
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Post by Opti on Jul 18, 2018 8:10:37 GMT -5
What did the election prove? Oh that she was the peoples choice. Look at the mess you wound up with. The swamp is worst then ever. We are losing our world allies. Congress is non-functional. Just because there is a greater concentration of population, the monoculture of L.A., Chicago, and NYC do not make up "the people". She lost a majority of the vote in a majority of the states. It is not deniable. If you think any large city is a monoculture, you obviously have spent no time in any of them or are willfully blind. "The people" are US citizens. And if most of them live in cities, that's reality.
If you put on your big boy briefs, you can search and find out how many states have populations below those three cities. I did it once for this board. I think its on the order of twenty, but it could be as high as 31.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 18, 2018 16:24:55 GMT -5
Maybe we should stop electing liars and criminals. There will be no one left. maybe just cut it short at criminals. we have the internet to sort out the lies.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 18, 2018 16:48:58 GMT -5
Paul Sperry @paulsperry_ 1h1 hour ago
BREAKING: The FBI (and Mueller's team) obtained only the "forensic" images of the allegedly hacked DNC systems from CrowdStrike, which is not the same as workable mirror images of the hard drives. (And again, no actual machines were examined at the FBI forensics lab at Quantico.)
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 18, 2018 16:49:46 GMT -5
Exactly-- and I mean EXACTLY as I predicted, the end of the Mueller probe with respect to collusion was announced on Friday by Rod Rosenstein. After briefing President Trump earlier in the week, Rosenstein announce the indictment of 13 Russian actors for various election-related meddling via "hacking" a DNC server which no one in US law enforcement has ever examined. Within the announcement, Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein made it crystal clear that, "There is no allegation in the indictment that the Americans knew they were communicating with Russian intelligence officers." and "There is no allegation in this indictment that any American citizen committed a crime. There is no allegation that the conspiracy changed the vote count or affected any election result."You will recall that I predicted that Rudi Guilliani was brought on board to say to Mueller, "Look, buddy- this bullshit is over. Now, either you wind this business up willingly- or we will wind it up for you" (My belief is that the trump card (no pun intended) is the declassification of the entire scam going back to the spying this investigation was initiated to cover up). I predicted that Mueller would probably not be shut down outright, but that there would be reached some face-saving arrangement to make it appear as though this was a legitimate investigation into Russian interference in the election, but that in terms of substance- Mueller had nothing, and would produce nothing.
What did we get? The meaningless "indictment" of 13 some odd Russians who will never be questioned, let alone extradited and charged. Instead- as I also predicted- these cases were sloughed off on Jr. associates in the counterintelligence division where cases like this go to die.
We're at the end of Russian collusion. It's all over. Watching Trump fellate Putin yesterday means it's just beginning. Well if by it you mean the total meltdown on the left then yet that's probably just beginning.
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Post by Opti on Jul 18, 2018 17:04:21 GMT -5
Paul Sperry @paulsperry_ 1h1 hour ago BREAKING: The FBI (and Mueller's team) obtained only the "forensic" images of the allegedly hacked DNC systems from CrowdStrike, which is not the same as workable mirror images of the hard drives. (And again, no actual machines were examined at the FBI forensics lab at Quantico.) This is breaking? I thought something very much like this was posted perhaps 10 political lifetimes ago.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 18, 2018 17:15:11 GMT -5
Paul Sperry @paulsperry_ 1h1 hour ago BREAKING: The FBI (and Mueller's team) obtained only the "forensic" images of the allegedly hacked DNC systems from CrowdStrike, which is not the same as workable mirror images of the hard drives. (And again, no actual machines were examined at the FBI forensics lab at Quantico.) This is breaking? I thought something very much like this was posted perhaps 10 political lifetimes ago. it was. and it means little when you have people working for the campaign who were basically on Putin's payroll, or under control of those that were on Putin's payroll. this administration, and it's backers, only wanted to win. they didn't care what the cost was. time to pay the piper.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 18, 2018 17:29:19 GMT -5
Just because there is a greater concentration of population, the monoculture of L.A., Chicago, and NYC do not make up "the people". She lost a majority of the vote in a majority of the states. It is not deniable. If you think any large city is a monoculture, you obviously have spent no time in any of them or are willfully blind. "The people" are US citizens. And if most of them live in cities, that's reality.
If you put on your big boy briefs, you can search and find out how many states have populations below those three cities. I did it once for this board. I think its on the order of twenty, but it could be as high as 31.
if anything, it is the precise opposite of this claim. cities are writhing pits of polyculture. it is what makes people liberal, imo. when you are forced to deal with stuff that is outside of your perspective, it changes you. it makes you more humble. it makes you more understanding. it makes you more forgiving. it makes you more thoughtful and caring. you can't just dismiss someone for being brown, because you are sensitized to the struggles of brown people who pack your groceries and the parents of your kids friends in school. in RURAL AREAS, however- you have monoculture. i would actually describe it as no culture, personally. because there are no truly indigenous Americans. we all came from elsewhere. therefore, we borrow from everywhere- particularly Europe. our arrogance in thinking that we have something unique here just looks foolish to anyone "outside" that is listening to us say that to ourselves and to them. but, of course you have to have something called perspective to see that. and those that lack it are running things, now.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 18, 2018 19:22:24 GMT -5
in RURAL AREAS, however- you have monoculture. i would actually describe it as no culture, personally. because there are no truly indigenous Americans. we all came from elsewhere. therefore, we borrow from everywhere- particularly Europe. our arrogance in thinking that we have something unique here just looks foolish to anyone "outside" that is listening to us say that to ourselves and to them. but, of course you have to have something called perspective to see that. ... So speaking from the perspective of having lived most of the second half of my 60 years in rural America (12 years outside a "town" of 1,700 then into the city limits of a town of 2,600) after spending the first half in more urban areas, I disagree with your no culture and offer that my current hometown has some definitely different cultures in it.
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Post by dondub on Jul 18, 2018 22:04:02 GMT -5
How many "complete meltdowns on the left" can we have Paul? I would think there could only be one if it was complete.
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Post by Opti on Jul 19, 2018 6:25:11 GMT -5
We probably should be counting the meltdowns of some of the RW personalities. Although to be fair, they do have multiple ones, so its hard to keep track. However, one called for a July 4th civil war by non-conservatives and in another thread, apparently another professional nut is calling for a coup within 72 hours, I suppose perhaps 48 hours now. And by decapitation no less. I don't know why he thinks anyone would take the extra effort to drag large Donald to the WH lawn. And kill Barron and Melania as well. Maybe he's not sleeping or screwed with his meds?
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 19, 2018 9:56:32 GMT -5
Does anyone remember what the Russian hacked emails were about? Just a reminder,
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 19, 2018 10:00:55 GMT -5
How many "complete meltdowns on the left" can we have Paul? I would think there could only be one if it was complete.A lot Don, there multiple ones here every day!
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 19, 2018 10:02:57 GMT -5
Does anyone remember what the Russian hacked emails were about? Just a reminder,
Clinton and Sanders are not president.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 19, 2018 10:17:28 GMT -5
Does anyone remember what the Russian hacked emails were about? Just a reminder,
Clinton and Sanders are not president. There is a good reason for that!
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 19, 2018 10:30:46 GMT -5
in RURAL AREAS, however- you have monoculture. i would actually describe it as no culture, personally. because there are no truly indigenous Americans. we all came from elsewhere. therefore, we borrow from everywhere- particularly Europe. our arrogance in thinking that we have something unique here just looks foolish to anyone "outside" that is listening to us say that to ourselves and to them. but, of course you have to have something called perspective to see that. ... So speaking from the perspective of having lived most of the second half of my 60 years in rural America (12 years outside a "town" of 1,700 then into the city limits of a town of 2,600) after spending the first half in more urban areas, I disagree with your no culture and offer that my current hometown has some definitely different cultures in it. i was playing tit for tat, mostly. but just out of curiosity, what cultures?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 19, 2018 10:31:18 GMT -5
Clinton and Sanders are not president. There is a good reason for that! yes, your vaunted electoral college and the Russians.
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Post by Opti on Jul 19, 2018 10:37:51 GMT -5
I'm not playing deflection posting. I'm more interested in what the Russian puppet said today and in the last few days. How many pro-Russia policies is he willing to push in a short amount of time?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 11:09:22 GMT -5
Democrats have been waiting for years, for the Bill Clinton payback on impeaching. red herring. Cop out.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 19, 2018 14:11:37 GMT -5
So speaking from the perspective of having lived most of the second half of my 60 years in rural America (12 years outside a "town" of 1,700 then into the city limits of a town of 2,600) after spending the first half in more urban areas, I disagree with your no culture and offer that my current hometown has some definitely different cultures in it. i was playing tit for tat, mostly. but just out of curiosity, what cultures? We have what I have heard is a rather unique Chamber of Commerce in that it is not just the local business leaders but includes civic, artistic, and educational groups. We were meeting to look for the "future" of our town. It was clear that, although there is this one repeated event attended by a large percentage of our town's population, none of the people at this meeting had ever gone to the local mud bog races. It was an interesting reaction when I suggested that we work to include some of "those" people into our conversations.
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