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Post by tallguy on Jan 7, 2018 2:43:00 GMT -5
The Fusion GPS Op Ed stated that there were 'many' reports made to the FBI about Trump and Kuchners murky financial deals with Russian oligarchs prior to their dossier being submitted. We don't know for sure that the 'source within the Trump camp' was the drunken Papodopolos guy or someone else - the Trump Camp has always been notoriously leaky.
Kuchner and Trump both used Deutche Bank, which has a history of enabling Russian money laundering. Paul Manafort was rumored to be heavily involved in money laundering for the Russians. This is just what I know, as an average unconnected American living in the rural Bible belt - imagine how much more info the FBI had, both substantiated and unsubstantiated (like the dossier) that led them to launch their investigation? Fusion GPS testified for 21 days in front of government committees. The GOP is only releasing snippets of their testimony, despite promising Fusion GPS that their whole testimony would be made public. Wouldn't it be nice if the GOP let some sunshine in and released the whole testimony? Maybe the bigger question is, why won't the GOP release the testimony? What do they not what Americans to hear?
On Tuesday, Fusion GPS founders Glenn Simpson and Peter Fritsch wrote an op-ed for The New York Times. In it, they claimed they and their opposition research firm were nothing but an open book and were seeking greater transparency from three congressional committees who have been digging into the probe of Russian election meddling. “Senator Grassley provided Fusion GPS an opportunity for transparency six months ago when he invited the firm to publicly testify at an open committee hearing. Mr. Simpson declined. When faced with a subpoena from the Chairman and Ranking Member, Mr. Simpson refused to provide public testimony, using his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination to negotiate for a closed-door interview. Despite his public statements, Mr. Simpson and his attorney demanded during the interview that the transcript be kept confidential. thefederalist.com/2018/01/05/federal-judge-obliterates-fusion-gps-attempt-to-hide-info-from-investigators/Looks like Fusion is afraid of the sunshine. As far as I know they are free to tell us what they testified to. They published an op-ed in The New York Times. That explained quite a bit of what they apparently told the committee. They also called on Congress to release the transcripts so that everyone can see exactly what they testified to. Doesn't look to me like they're afraid of much. Easy way to find out the truth? Congress releasing the transcripts.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jan 7, 2018 9:19:59 GMT -5
They published an op-ed in The New York Times. That only means they published what they want you to hear.
They also called on Congress to release the transcripts so that everyone can see exactly what they testified to. They know that there classified things in this, there things that neither sides of Congress want the public to know.
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Post by tallguy on Jan 7, 2018 11:42:43 GMT -5
Regardless, it doesn't look like Fusion is afraid of anything. If Republicans are only leaking tiny snippets, why is that? Why not release it all? Republicans are the ones afraid here, or else they would.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 11:58:44 GMT -5
If not afraid of anything they would not need a judge to force them to disclose bank records.
On Thursday, a U.S. District Judge denied Fusion GPS’s effort to keep the House committee from bank records it sought.
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Post by tallguy on Jan 7, 2018 12:37:39 GMT -5
If not afraid of anything they would not need a judge to force them to disclose bank records. On Thursday, a U.S. District Judge denied Fusion GPS’s effort to keep the House committee from bank records it sought. From the op-ed:
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Post by mroped on Jan 7, 2018 12:54:38 GMT -5
Super Fucked. I mean fuckity fuck fuck fucked: theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/01/05/operation-condor-how-nsa-director-mike-rogers-saved-the-u-s-from-a-massive-constitutional-crisis/What I'm attempting to do in this thread is expose the Obama / Clinton / DNC / Deep State crimes and their magnitude to a delusional bunch of leftists that might even still think there's a chance President Trump will be impeached in order to mitigate your cognitive dissonance when the opposite occurs and Hillary Clinton, James Clapper, John Brennan, and myriad others begin to be exposed, tried, and prosecuted for the most serious offenses ever committed against the United States, or indeed any other nation, in history. And which one of them is the Comander in Chief/POTUS? Isnt that suppose to be the individual that leads by example or he is exempt from your rants because you, for some unknown reason, support him? Tell us how since he got in office lead by example, stayed out o& the hot waters of controversial issues and he is setting a standard for honesty, the epitome of it and so on. And maybe the rest if us delusional bunch of leftists will stop thinking that there is a chance President Trump will be impeached. And I believe that YOU are the one that needs to mitigate your cognitive dissonance! Waiting!
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Post by tallguy on Jan 7, 2018 13:40:47 GMT -5
The judge removed thousands of records from consideration. It's worth reading his decision. He points out that letting people decide on their own what's relevant isn't a great way to get to the truth.Do you hold that same standard with the Trump family and administration? Just the conflicts of interest alone are staggering, not to mention anything potentially criminal.
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Post by dezii on Jan 7, 2018 15:26:42 GMT -5
Just because he claims news is fake does not make it so...especially when he goes after those who don't report positive things about him...then he calls them names like a kid on a playground in a grammer school..[not even a high school...there he would probably end up with a bloody nose or worse..]
this is the POTUS acting like this..not some average joe..embarrassing and excuse is he is different, not a politician, [what the hell does that mean...don't believe one comes out of a womb as a politician, and what is so wrong with manners and political correctness..? Better we all act out our feelings...possible all carry weapons..don't like the rhetoric, just act out our feelings..? You that sure u are fitter and faster then I am? 100%..??
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Post by dezii on Jan 7, 2018 15:29:23 GMT -5
Super Fucked. I mean fuckity fuck fuck fucked: theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/01/05/operation-condor-how-nsa-director-mike-rogers-saved-the-u-s-from-a-massive-constitutional-crisis/What I'm attempting to do in this thread is expose the Obama / Clinton / DNC / Deep State crimes and their magnitude to a delusional bunch of leftists that might even still think there's a chance President Trump will be impeached in order to mitigate your cognitive dissonance when the opposite occurs and Hillary Clinton, James Clapper, John Brennan, and myriad others begin to be exposed, tried, and prosecuted for the most serious offenses ever committed against the United States, or indeed any other nation, in history. And which one of them is the Comander in Chief/POTUS? Isnt that suppose to be the individual that leads by example or he is exempt from your rants because you, for some unknown reason, support him? Tell us how since he got in office lead by example, stayed out o& the hot waters of controversial issues and he is setting a standard for honesty, the epitome of it and so on. And maybe the rest if us delusional bunch of leftists will stop thinking that there is a chance President Trump will be impeached. And I believe that YOU are the one that needs to mitigate your cognitive dissonance! Waiting! You will waitv till H freezes over..another one who believes like our Donald..any change, apology is a show of weakness as taught by a real known unsavory character Roy Cohn...so thought by so many but not our Donald. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Cohn
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 7, 2018 18:51:48 GMT -5
In three years Trump will be gone no matter what. Or not. He could win again. He still has many fans, and I'm not sure the democrats have someone likeable enough to oust an incumbant.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 18:58:46 GMT -5
Yes, I do. I find it interesting that the dossier was really important, until now it's not. The National Review argues that because impeachment is a political process the whole goal is not to prove a crime but to get people to dislike Trump so much that they will support impeachment. Hence the support and airtime for Wolff's book even though multiple, reliable people who are featured in it have come out and said it's not true. In three years Trump will be gone no matter what. Depending on how he leaves we'll be left with a media who's credibility is completely blown, a DOJ that treats suspects differently depending on party and political power, and a good portion of the electorate that thinks there was a coup against Trump. I didn't vote for Trump, don't like him, but the longer this goes on the more I'm inclined to support him. Seriously, Hardly anyone would have jumped on it as ‘true’ or even ‘noteworthy’ .... if TRUMP hadn’t blown a gasket at it like there was something there to see.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 18:59:18 GMT -5
Trump is trying to blow the credibility of the media. He’s succeeding to some degree, I agree.
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Post by tallguy on Jan 7, 2018 19:27:06 GMT -5
To most of the world he is blowing his own credibility instead.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 7, 2018 21:00:19 GMT -5
Uh oh... journalists might be back into the corner and forced to do some journalisting... WOW – Interesting Interview With Joe DiGenova Links DOJ-NSD John Carlin With FISA Court Judge Rudolph Contreras…Posted on January 7, 2018 by sundance The word is getting out. People are slowing beginning to piece together the BIGGER STORY of what fundamentally lies behind the Obama administration’s 2016 use of FISA 702(16)(17) surveillance, and how the intentional non-oversight of the Department of Justice National Security Division was used in the construct of the unlawful FBI surveillance and spying operation against presidential candidate Donald Trump. During a radio interview on WMAL legal analyst and former U.S. Attorney General for Washington DC, Joe DiGenova, specifically highlights the DOJ National Security Division head John P Carlin and his role in the 2016 FISA warrant. Other than within our own research few people are paying attention to the DOJ-NSD side. Additionally, and in complete concurrence with our prior research, DiGenova states first-hand knowledge that FISA Court Judge Rudolph Contreras did not recuse himself – but was rather forcibly recused from the Michael Flynn case by either U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts or the aggregate FISA court. IMPORTANT: Listen to the first 7:30 of the interview below. This is secondary confirmation of what we have independently been outlining for months: theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/01/07/wow-interesting-interview-with-joe-digenova-links-doj-nsd-john-carlin-with-fisa-court-judge-rudolph-contreras/
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 7, 2018 21:29:55 GMT -5
We are still not up to a "Super fucked...fuckity fuck fuck fucked fuckity fuck fuck fucked Code Red fuckity fuck fuck fucked.
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Post by tallguy on Jan 7, 2018 23:05:45 GMT -5
We are still not up to a "Super fucked...fuckity fuck fuck fucked fuckity fuck fuck fucked Code Red fuckity fuck fuck fucked. Sure we are. Have been for fourteen months.
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Post by dezii on Jan 7, 2018 23:16:59 GMT -5
Uh oh... journalists might be back into the corner and forced to do some journalisting... WOW – Interesting Interview With Joe DiGenova Links DOJ-NSD John Carlin With FISA Court Judge Rudolph Contreras…Posted on January 7, 2018 by sundance The word is getting out. People are slowing beginning to piece together the BIGGER STORY of what fundamentally lies behind the Obama administration’s 2016 use of FISA 702(16)(17) surveillance, and how the intentional non-oversight of the Department of Justice National Security Division was used in the construct of the unlawful FBI surveillance and spying operation against presidential candidate Donald Trump. During a radio interview on WMAL legal analyst and former U.S. Attorney General for Washington DC, Joe DiGenova, specifically highlights the DOJ National Security Division head John P Carlin and his role in the 2016 FISA warrant. Other than within our own research few people are paying attention to the DOJ-NSD side. Additionally, and in complete concurrence with our prior research, DiGenova states first-hand knowledge that FISA Court Judge Rudolph Contreras did not recuse himself – but was rather forcibly recused from the Michael Flynn case by either U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts or the aggregate FISA court. IMPORTANT: Listen to the first 7:30 of the interview below. This is secondary confirmation of what we have independently been outlining for months: theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/01/07/wow-interesting-interview-with-joe-digenova-links-doj-nsd-john-carlin-with-fisa-court-judge-rudolph-contreras/ ..... ...... .................................. ..........................................
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 8, 2018 7:31:47 GMT -5
The Fusion GPS Op Ed stated that there were 'many' reports made to the FBI about Trump and Kuchners murky financial deals with Russian oligarchs prior to their dossier being submitted. We don't know for sure that the 'source within the Trump camp' was the drunken Papodopolos guy or someone else - the Trump Camp has always been notoriously leaky.
Kuchner and Trump both used Deutche Bank, which has a history of enabling Russian money laundering. Paul Manafort was rumored to be heavily involved in money laundering for the Russians. This is just what I know, as an average unconnected American living in the rural Bible belt - imagine how much more info the FBI had, both substantiated and unsubstantiated (like the dossier) that led them to launch their investigation? Fusion GPS testified for 21 days in front of government committees. The GOP is only releasing snippets of their testimony, despite promising Fusion GPS that their whole testimony would be made public. Wouldn't it be nice if the GOP let some sunshine in and released the whole testimony? Maybe the bigger question is, why won't the GOP release the testimony? What do they not what Americans to hear?
On Tuesday, Fusion GPS founders Glenn Simpson and Peter Fritsch wrote an op-ed for The New York Times. In it, they claimed they and their opposition research firm were nothing but an open book and were seeking greater transparency from three congressional committees who have been digging into the probe of Russian election meddling. “Senator Grassley provided Fusion GPS an opportunity for transparency six months ago when he invited the firm to publicly testify at an open committee hearing. Mr. Simpson declined. When faced with a subpoena from the Chairman and Ranking Member, Mr. Simpson refused to provide public testimony, using his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination to negotiate for a closed-door interview. Despite his public statements, Mr. Simpson and his attorney demanded during the interview that the transcript be kept confidential. thefederalist.com/2018/01/05/federal-judge-obliterates-fusion-gps-attempt-to-hide-info-from-investigators/Looks like Fusion is afraid of the sunshine. As far as I know they are free to tell us what they testified to. If the last two years has taught us anything, it's that whatever they say about the GOP is true of them.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 8, 2018 7:33:16 GMT -5
Trump is trying to blow the credibility of the media. He’s succeeding to some degree, I agree. Oh, yeah- it's Trump blowing the media's credibility. That sunuvabeotch.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 8, 2018 7:36:05 GMT -5
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Post by happyhoix on Jan 8, 2018 7:44:56 GMT -5
If not afraid of anything they would not need a judge to force them to disclose bank records. On Thursday, a U.S. District Judge denied Fusion GPS’s effort to keep the House committee from bank records it sought. Perhaps they feel that the House committee is targeting them, the messenger, rather than actually investigating possible Russian/Trump collusion, which is what they are supposed to be investigating.
Not many businesses, especially businesses that do background investigative work like Fusion does, would want to reveal their bank records.
Trump won't even reveal his tax returns, let alone all his business records. I haven't heard anyone on the House Committee complaining about that (or even asking for them) in order to prove Trump has no financial obligations to the Russians, which might be an important questions in this investigation.
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Post by happyhoix on Jan 8, 2018 7:46:57 GMT -5
Well, if the conservative tree house said it, then it must be right.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 8, 2018 9:49:30 GMT -5
A 'like' from me because you're irritating the skeptics.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 8, 2018 10:22:51 GMT -5
If not afraid of anything they would not need a judge to force them to disclose bank records. On Thursday, a U.S. District Judge denied Fusion GPS’s effort to keep the House committee from bank records it sought. Perhaps they feel that the House committee is targeting them, the messenger, rather than actually investigating possible Russian/Trump collusion, which is what they are supposed to be investigating.
Not many businesses, especially businesses that do background investigative work like Fusion does, would want to reveal their bank records.
Trump won't even reveal his tax returns, let alone all his business records. I haven't heard anyone on the House Committee complaining about that (or even asking for them) in order to prove Trump has no financial obligations to the Russians, which might be an important questions in this investigation.
The notion that Donald Trump colluded with the Russians has been discredited. It has been revealed that the basis for the investigation into Trump-Russia collusion was a FISA warrant obtained under false pretenses using fabricated evidence produced by Fusion GPS, and more specifically Christopher Steele, with money paid to them by the DNC, and with whom the FBI entered into an agreement to pay as well. It has further been revealed, via the text messages between Peter Strzok and his girlfriend, Lisa Page, that there were discussions at the highest level- "in Andy's office" almost certainly refers to Andy McCabe- of an "insurance policy" should Donald Trump win the election. So, I beg to differ with you. Everything pertaining to Trump-Russia collusion and the ancillary unrelated prosecutions are all fruit of the poison dossier. The coup attempt has to be the focus now- what other possible explanation is there for the description of what they were up to as an "insurance policy" in case Trump wins?
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 8, 2018 10:24:14 GMT -5
Nothing has been discredited at this time no matter how you try and spin it.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 8, 2018 10:50:25 GMT -5
Well, if the conservative tree house said it, then it must be right.
Well, actually- yes. I mean, I have independently verified everything they've put together and while I will grant you that their opinion of where it's all headed is up for grabs (they don't see the illegal email server and revelations of above top secret special access program information to non-cleared persons, and the monetization of the State Department via a pay to play scheme with the Clinton Foundation by Hillary Clinton as going anywhere- I differ with them on that), but their information is merely that gleaned from mainstream news sources. Their analysis is, more often than not, simply stating the obvious. They weren't just correct about Trump winning-- they called the whole GOP "splitter strategy" which they picked up on in December 2013 and even set "trip wire alerts" - each of which was triggered on schedule and down to the last- theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/08/09/gope-2016-road-map-to-victory-tree-house-challenge/ - the final tripwire was crossed by Mitt Romney- theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/03/03/final-tripwire-triggered-mitt-romney-admits-gope-globalist-grand-scheme-the-splitter-strategy/
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 8, 2018 11:00:24 GMT -5
Those of you that believe that I'm "crazy", that my posts are the hyperbolic rantings of a far-right lunatic, will, in hindsight, find this thread in our little community not only dead-on accurate, but among the only sober analysis of what transpired before, during, and after the election in November of 2016 to be nothing short of a coup attempt.
Who can say with certainty whether Hillary will ever actually go to jail? I'm about 80% certain right now-- with 10% reserved for another prediction that is so unpleasant, I do not wish it to be so, and I hesitate to articulate it (she kills herself), and/or Trump is assassinated.
You can't rule out the idea that at some point reality sets in for the queen bee, and rather than face the remainder of her life under intense scrutiny and investigation- let alone trial- for no clear benefit (there's nothing left to fight for- her girlhood dream of being the first woman president is dead) she decides to put herself out of her misery.
And a Trump assassination is a very real possibility because a good 20% or more of the country is literally insane- and I mean in the clinical sense. After all, if you really actually believe-- and there's solid evidence that more than a few people do-- that Donald Trump is the second coming of Adolf Hitler, you're not only morally justified, but morally obligated to do something about it. And that's the threat the country and our President face-- and I believe the collective mental breakdown of the left was a carefully engineered scenario created by psychiatrists and psychologists in conjunction with political strategists on the left for precisely that purpose.
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Post by happyhoix on Jan 8, 2018 11:18:29 GMT -5
Well, if the conservative tree house said it, then it must be right.
Well, actually- yes. I mean, I have independently verified everything they've put together and while I will grant you that their opinion of where it's all headed is up for grabs (they don't see the illegal email server and revelations of above top secret special access program information to non-cleared persons, and the monetization of the State Department via a pay to play scheme with the Clinton Foundation by Hillary Clinton as going anywhere- I differ with them on that), but their information is merely that gleaned from mainstream news sources. Their analysis is, more often than not, simply stating the obvious. They weren't just correct about Trump winning-- they called the whole GOP "splitter strategy" which they picked up on in December 2013 and even set "trip wire alerts" - each of which was triggered on schedule and down to the last- theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/08/09/gope-2016-road-map-to-victory-tree-house-challenge/ - the final tripwire was crossed by Mitt Romney- theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/03/03/final-tripwire-triggered-mitt-romney-admits-gope-globalist-grand-scheme-the-splitter-strategy/Do you mean you have 'independently verified' in that you have top secret clearance to all government documents and investigative records and you have personally checked each one and can legally swear to the veracity of your statements, or does 'independently verified' mean you've heard the same thing you heard on the conservative tree house repeated on Rush and on Brietbart and from the Fox talking heads - and therefore it must be correct?
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Post by happyhoix on Jan 8, 2018 11:42:02 GMT -5
Perhaps they feel that the House committee is targeting them, the messenger, rather than actually investigating possible Russian/Trump collusion, which is what they are supposed to be investigating.
Not many businesses, especially businesses that do background investigative work like Fusion does, would want to reveal their bank records.
Trump won't even reveal his tax returns, let alone all his business records. I haven't heard anyone on the House Committee complaining about that (or even asking for them) in order to prove Trump has no financial obligations to the Russians, which might be an important questions in this investigation.
The notion that Donald Trump colluded with the Russians has been discredited. It has been revealed that the basis for the investigation into Trump-Russia collusion was a FISA warrant obtained under false pretenses using fabricated evidence produced by Fusion GPS, and more specifically Christopher Steele, with money paid to them by the DNC, and with whom the FBI entered into an agreement to pay as well. It has further been revealed, via the text messages between Peter Strzok and his girlfriend, Lisa Page, that there were discussions at the highest level- "in Andy's office" almost certainly refers to Andy McCabe- of an "insurance policy" should Donald Trump win the election. So, I beg to differ with you. Everything pertaining to Trump-Russia collusion and the ancillary unrelated prosecutions are all fruit of the poison dossier. The coup attempt has to be the focus now- what other possible explanation is there for the description of what they were up to as an "insurance policy" in case Trump wins? Actually, you keep saying the dossier was faked, but saying so doesn't make it so.
Mueller so far has shown himself to be a very thorough, dedicated and apolitical professional. Certainly, due to the overheated attention this investigation is receiving, he will be extremely careful to dot his i's and cross his t's and to make sure his findings are based on well documented facts. None of us, not even you, know what he has discovered to this point. It might be that Trump has been laundering money. It might be nothing at all.
I have a feeling, though, if Mueller comes back with documentation that something illegal was taking place, that wouldn't be enough for you. Nothing but complete vindication for Trump and heads on spikes for everyone else would be enough for you, everything else will just be proof of a coup.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 12:20:06 GMT -5
Trump is trying to blow the credibility of the media. He’s succeeding to some degree, I agree. Trump is where he is because credibility of media was already blown.
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