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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 3, 2018 9:06:53 GMT -5
Virgil, We'll be here when you're gone. Ah. Makes sense. I'm surprised Virgil couldn't find it. I just typed it into google. I use Duck Duck Go and a search turns up zero relevant hits. I just ran a Google search and it turns up a single relevant hit.
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 3, 2018 9:15:20 GMT -5
I think we should just let Paul be ahambuger - with his own thread that no one posts to, and he can just state all of his theories and no one questions them.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 3, 2018 9:20:25 GMT -5
ibid.: We don’t believe the Steele dossier was the trigger for the F.B.I.’s investigation into Russian meddling. As we told the Senate Judiciary Committee in August, our sources said the dossier was taken so seriously because it corroborated reports the bureau had received from other sources, including one inside the Trump camp. The "reports the bureau had received from other sources" (which appears as a link in the original) are the subject of the debunking in Reply #128. True, this doesn't prove the Steele dossier was the trigger, but if they're appealing to debunked theory in their defense...
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Post by happyhoix on Jan 3, 2018 10:34:16 GMT -5
ibid.: We don’t believe the Steele dossier was the trigger for the F.B.I.’s investigation into Russian meddling. As we told the Senate Judiciary Committee in August, our sources said the dossier was taken so seriously because it corroborated reports the bureau had received from other sources, including one inside the Trump camp. The "reports the bureau had received from other sources" (which appears as a link in the original) are the subject of the debunking in Reply #128. True, this doesn't prove the Steele dossier was the trigger, but if they're appealing to debunked theory in their defense... The Fusion GPS Op Ed stated that there were 'many' reports made to the FBI about Trump and Kuchners murky financial deals with Russian oligarchs prior to their dossier being submitted. We don't know for sure that the 'source within the Trump camp' was the drunken Papodopolos guy or someone else - the Trump Camp has always been notoriously leaky.
Kuchner and Trump both used Deutche Bank, which has a history of enabling Russian money laundering. Paul Manafort was rumored to be heavily involved in money laundering for the Russians. This is just what I know, as an average unconnected American living in the rural Bible belt - imagine how much more info the FBI had, both substantiated and unsubstantiated (like the dossier) that led them to launch their investigation? Fusion GPS testified for 21 days in front of government committees. The GOP is only releasing snippets of their testimony, despite promising Fusion GPS that their whole testimony would be made public. Wouldn't it be nice if the GOP let some sunshine in and released the whole testimony? Maybe the bigger question is, why won't the GOP release the testimony? What do they not what Americans to hear?
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 3, 2018 11:00:09 GMT -5
Speaking of treasonous: Bannon: 2016 Trump Tower meeting was 'treasonous'(CNN)Former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon called the 2016 Trump Tower meeting between Trump campaign officials and a Russian lawyer purportedly offering damaging information about Hillary Clinton "treasonous," according to a new book obtained by The Guardian. The book, "Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House" by Michael Wolff, is based on hundreds of interviews, including ones with President Donald Trump and his inner circle. According to the Guardian, Bannon addressed the June 2016 Trump Tower meeting between Donald Trump Jr., then-campaign chairman Paul Manafort, Jared Kushner and Russian operatives that was arranged when Trump Jr. agreed to meet a "Russian government attorney" after receiving an email offering him "very high level and sensitive information" that would "incriminate" Clinton. "The three senior guys in the campaign thought it was a good idea to meet with a foreign government inside Trump Tower in the conference room on the 25th floor -- with no lawyers. They didn't have any lawyers," Bannon continued, according to the Guardian. "Even if you thought that this was not treasonous, or unpatriotic, or bad s***, and I happen to think it's all of that, you should have called the FBI immediately." Bannon also reportedly told Wolff: "They're going to crack Don Junior like an egg on national TV." The White House declined to comment Wednesday about Bannon's reported assertions. Bannon: 2016 Trump Tower meeting was 'treasonous'
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 3, 2018 11:01:16 GMT -5
The Fusion GPS Op Ed stated that there were 'many' reports made to the FBI about Trump and Kuchners murky financial deals with Russian oligarchs prior to their dossier being submitted. We don't know for sure that the 'source within the Trump camp' was the drunken Papodopolos guy or someone else - the Trump Camp has always been notoriously leaky. There may be reports stacked up to the ceiling for all I know. Unfortunately the only one GPS cites is the debunked theory about Mr. Papadopoulos. Not an auspicious start to their defense--which was my point. The GOP is only releasing snippets of their testimony, despite promising Fusion GPS that their whole testimony would be made public. Wouldn't it be nice if the GOP let some sunshine in and released the whole testimony? Maybe the bigger question is, why won't the GOP release the testimony? What do they not what Americans to hear? As long as they release it all within the next year or two, I'll forbear them the delay. Much of the material in the Steele dossier was pure fabrication, and the media isn't going to hesitate to disseminate lies first and ask questions later if GPS's testimony implicates anyone within a lightyear of Pres. Trump in wrongdoing. Guilty or not, why would any reasonable person subject themselves to that?
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Post by swamp on Jan 3, 2018 11:02:39 GMT -5
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Post by happyhoix on Jan 3, 2018 12:33:05 GMT -5
The Fusion GPS Op Ed stated that there were 'many' reports made to the FBI about Trump and Kuchners murky financial deals with Russian oligarchs prior to their dossier being submitted. We don't know for sure that the 'source within the Trump camp' was the drunken Papodopolos guy or someone else - the Trump Camp has always been notoriously leaky. There may be reports stacked up to the ceiling for all I know. Unfortunately the only one GPS cites is the debunked theory about Mr. Papadopoulos. Not an auspicious start to their defense--which was my point. The GOP is only releasing snippets of their testimony, despite promising Fusion GPS that their whole testimony would be made public. Wouldn't it be nice if the GOP let some sunshine in and released the whole testimony? Maybe the bigger question is, why won't the GOP release the testimony? What do they not what Americans to hear? As long as they release it all within the next year or two, I'll forbear them the delay. Much of the material in the Steele dossier was pure fabrication, and the media isn't going to hesitate to disseminate lies first and ask questions later if GPS's testimony implicates anyone within a lightyear of Pres. Trump in wrongdoing. Guilty or not, why would any reasonable person subject themselves to that? I'm not sure how you concluded the information in the Steele dossier was pure fabrication - it might be, but I haven't seen an intelligence expert weigh in on the matter, only political talking heads. Steele was paid to gather information - NOT to validate that information. In spy circles, once you get reports in from the field, you double and triple check it through completely different sources to verify it, and from what I understand, that wasn't done on the dossier. Essentially, Steele said "here's all the stuff my Russian contacts have told you, but y'all need to fact check it." I'm guessing Mueller's group has probably been working on fact checking it, along with all the other rumors and stories that have circulated about Trump since way back prior to him announcing he was running for president (this time). As you say, we'll have to wait and see what they report.
I have an issue, though, with the GOP representatives who are running these congressional investigations refusing to release the Fusion GPS transcripts, while at they same time they're running to conservative media outlets and leaking any tidbits they can glean from the testimony that can either cast doubts on the investigation or create a diverting story to misdirect the public attention from the goal of the Mueller investigation over to Crooked Hillary, the fake dossier or some black hat/white hat/deep state faux conspiracy. The dem members on these committees have honored the requirement to keep the proceeding secret - the GOP members have not. Rather than biased series of half assed leaks, they need to release the transcripts so everyone can judge for themselves. The fact that they haven't means they don't WANT us to know what's happened in the committees.
You realize, also, that Trump as the POTUS and Sessions as the head of the DOJ have both looked at the documentation on why the FIFSA warrant was issued, don't you? Remember how Trump used to run his mouth about 'unmasking' the evil actor who submitted the fake FIFSA warrant? Wonder why Trump hasn't mentioned 'unmasking' in a long time? Could it be because now that he's seen the warrant and knows who requested it, he suddenly doesn't want that information released to the public?
Or, I don't know, could be simple dementia and he forgot. Guess we'll know when Mueller finally finishes.
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Post by happyhoix on Jan 3, 2018 12:43:52 GMT -5
I agree with everything in your statement except for this. They've been leaking too - remember reports of Trump Jr's testimony? I'd love to see everything come out. The only thing I remember about Trump Jr's testimony is that he kept pleading lawyer/client privilege to avoid testifying and that the Dems want to require that he come back and actually testify about what happened (since the attorney client privilege was horse shit) and the GOP members refuse to recall him.
So you're right, apparently the dems did bitch out of school about Trump Jr illegally pleading privilege to avoid talking.
Another good reason to release all the transcripts.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 3, 2018 13:22:04 GMT -5
I have an issue, though, with the GOP representatives who are running these congressional investigations refusing to release the Fusion GPS transcripts, while at they same time they're running to conservative media outlets and leaking any tidbits they can glean from the testimony that can either cast doubts on the investigation or create a diverting story to misdirect the public attention from the goal of the Mueller investigation over to Crooked Hillary, the fake dossier or some black hat/white hat/deep state faux conspiracy. The dem members on these committees have honored the requirement to keep the proceeding secret - the GOP members have not. Rather than biased series of half assed leaks, they need to release the transcripts so everyone can judge for themselves. The fact that they haven't means they don't WANT us to know what's happened in the committees. I understand your basic objection, but what you're arguing is that, despite all-out information warfare between the Democrats (and their media proxies) and the GOP (and their proxies), the GOP really should play more fairly. I'm sure they're thinking, "Truth is going to be a casualty either way. We'd prefer it be a casualty to our favour." and "Our enemies would show us no more quarter." Since both statements are true, as long as full disclosure comes about sometime well before the 2020 election, I don't fault the guys with all the bazookas for holding on to them as they shore up their defenses. US federal politicians are, if nothing else, pragmatic. You realize, also, that Trump as the POTUS and Sessions as the head of the DOJ have both looked at the documentation on why the FIFSA warrant was issued, don't you? Remember how Trump used to run his mouth about 'unmasking' the evil actor who submitted the fake FIFSA warrant? Wonder why Trump hasn't mentioned 'unmasking' in a long time? Could it be because now that he's seen the warrant and knows who requested it, he suddenly doesn't want that information released to the public? This is a fair point, although he could just be waiting for strategic reasons. I don't subscribe to Paul's theory that Pres. Trump is a brilliant tactician, but I do believe he appreciates the value of playing his cards close to his chest at times. Incidentally, it's a FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) warrant.
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Post by happyhoix on Jan 3, 2018 15:04:20 GMT -5
I have an issue, though, with the GOP representatives who are running these congressional investigations refusing to release the Fusion GPS transcripts, while at they same time they're running to conservative media outlets and leaking any tidbits they can glean from the testimony that can either cast doubts on the investigation or create a diverting story to misdirect the public attention from the goal of the Mueller investigation over to Crooked Hillary, the fake dossier or some black hat/white hat/deep state faux conspiracy. The dem members on these committees have honored the requirement to keep the proceeding secret - the GOP members have not. Rather than biased series of half assed leaks, they need to release the transcripts so everyone can judge for themselves. The fact that they haven't means they don't WANT us to know what's happened in the committees. I understand your basic objection, but what you're arguing is that, despite all-out information warfare between the Democrats (and their media proxies) and the GOP (and their proxies), the GOP really should play more fairly. I'm sure they're thinking, "Truth is going to be a casualty either way. We'd prefer it be a casualty to our favour." and "Our enemies would show us no more quarter." Since both statements are true, as long as full disclosure comes about sometime well before the 2020 election, I don't fault the guys with all the bazookas for holding on to them as they shore up their defenses. US federal politicians are, if nothing else, pragmatic. You realize, also, that Trump as the POTUS and Sessions as the head of the DOJ have both looked at the documentation on why the FIFSA warrant was issued, don't you? Remember how Trump used to run his mouth about 'unmasking' the evil actor who submitted the fake FIFSA warrant? Wonder why Trump hasn't mentioned 'unmasking' in a long time? Could it be because now that he's seen the warrant and knows who requested it, he suddenly doesn't want that information released to the public? This is a fair point, although he could just be waiting for strategic reasons. I don't subscribe to Paul's theory that Pres. Trump is a brilliant tactician, but I do believe he appreciates the value of playing his cards close to his chest at times. Incidentally, it's a FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) warrant. If the Dems win a majority in either side of congress in 2018, I think all the dirty laundry will be aired prior to the 2020 election. If the GOP keeps a majority and continues to squash the transcripts, I would expect the transcripts would make their mysterious way to some international website (wouldn't it be delicious irony if it was WikiLeaks?) which will make the GOP members howl in fury about hanging the treasonous leakers but will let every damn cat out of the bag. As you say, it's a war and there will be no quarter.
You and I agree that Pres. Trump is not a brilliant tactician, and I also agree that he thinks he can only win by keeping his cards not just at his chest, but crammed into his tighty whities where no one can see them, not even the other guys playing on his team, and not even Trump himself. "Say whatever your voters want to hear, and deny everything else, even what you just said the day before" seems to be his only mantra. Not a brilliant tactician, but a brilliant bullshit artist, IMHO.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 17:27:20 GMT -5
Please quote where Lindsay graham said that. For starters.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 3, 2018 18:47:44 GMT -5
Please quote where Lindsay graham said that. For starters. It's in a video in the OP of one of Paul's other threads. He uses language like "deeply concerning", "alarming", etc. and intimates that the warrant was obtained under false pretenses, although he avoids specifics. It's impossible to tell whether it's because he's a lawyer being a lawyer or because he's uncertain. Either way, he shouldn't have gone on Fox and put on a show. Either speak your piece, sir, or say, "I can't comment on that right now." Don't throw out charged language and then hide in the woodshed.
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...expressing the WBHWYG collection... You've used this acronym several times and it's not defined anywhere. Why Barbecue Hamburgers When You're Golfing? We Believe Hillary Was Your Grandmother? It is the motto of the bureaucrats- the fourth branch of government- the administrative state: "We'll Be Here When You're Gone"
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 4, 2018 23:53:04 GMT -5
To fully grasp exactly how fucked the corrupt FBI, DOJ, CIA, NSA, ONI and other officials involved are, to understand why it is now no longer out of the question that Hillary Clinton could actually end up locked up, and why even Obama may not be out of reach-- you have to do damn near scholarly research. You have to read. You have to patiently comb through the information- you have to wade into the weeds. If you're watching CNN and reading the NY Times, this stuff is going to blindside you. And this isn't going to be an investigation to nowhere. This isn't going to be years, either- but months- by which I mean 3 to 6 and in between MAJOR events are going to unfold that are going to shake the deep state to its foundations. The "swamp draining" that's happening, and will in very short order begin to manifest already has the deep state rattled and nervous. The desperate clinging to the 25th Amendment and other "pull out all the stops" measures they are prepared to take have been exposed. Events are moving at break-neck speed towards conclusions NO ONE is anticipating. It's going to be a long, very cold winter for America's and the President's enemies. Ready? Read: Understanding The Context of Devin Nunes Requests – Obama’s 2016 DOJ/FBI Spying Operation… theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/01/04/understanding-the-context-of-devin-nunes-requests-obamas-2016-doj-fbi-spying-operation/
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 5, 2018 4:34:32 GMT -5
To fully grasp exactly how fucked the corrupt FBI, DOJ, CIA, NSA, ONI and other officials involved are, to understand why it is now no longer out of the question that Hillary Clinton could actually end up locked up, and why even Obama may not be out of reach-- you have to do damn near scholarly research. You have to read. You have to patiently comb through the information- you have to wade into the weeds. If you're watching CNN and reading the NY Times, this stuff is going to blindside you. And this isn't going to be an investigation to nowhere. This isn't going to be years, either- but months- by which I mean 3 to 6 and in between MAJOR events are going to unfold that are going to shake the deep state to its foundations. The "swamp draining" that's happening, and will in very short order begin to manifest already has the deep state rattled and nervous. The desperate clinging to the 25th Amendment and other "pull out all the stops" measures they are prepared to take have been exposed. Events are moving at break-neck speed towards conclusions NO ONE is anticipating. It's going to be a long, very cold winter for America's and the President's enemies. Ready? Read: Understanding The Context of Devin Nunes Requests – Obama’s 2016 DOJ/FBI Spying Operation… theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/01/04/understanding-the-context-of-devin-nunes-requests-obamas-2016-doj-fbi-spying-operation/I see you're equivocating, hedging your bets, and eschewing any bold predictions once again. You're so optimistic, I could almost hope every word comes true. If only to bask in the 100 megawatt glow of the happiest man on Earth for a few moments. \ | /
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To fully grasp exactly how fucked the corrupt FBI, DOJ, CIA, NSA, ONI and other officials involved are, to understand why it is now no longer out of the question that Hillary Clinton could actually end up locked up, and why even Obama may not be out of reach-- you have to do damn near scholarly research. You have to read. You have to patiently comb through the information- you have to wade into the weeds. If you're watching CNN and reading the NY Times, this stuff is going to blindside you. And this isn't going to be an investigation to nowhere. This isn't going to be years, either- but months- by which I mean 3 to 6 and in between MAJOR events are going to unfold that are going to shake the deep state to its foundations. The "swamp draining" that's happening, and will in very short order begin to manifest already has the deep state rattled and nervous. The desperate clinging to the 25th Amendment and other "pull out all the stops" measures they are prepared to take have been exposed. Events are moving at break-neck speed towards conclusions NO ONE is anticipating. It's going to be a long, very cold winter for America's and the President's enemies. Ready? Read: Understanding The Context of Devin Nunes Requests – Obama’s 2016 DOJ/FBI Spying Operation… theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/01/04/understanding-the-context-of-devin-nunes-requests-obamas-2016-doj-fbi-spying-operation/You have to ferret out the conspiracy theory sites. You have to be able to see dark threats in innocent actions. You have to take the red pill. You have to drink the koolaid.
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Post by happyhoix on Jan 5, 2018 8:35:06 GMT -5
Ok I have one simple question.
Hillary did not win the election. She's now retired. She's no longer a central player in the Dem party.
Say you get your ultimate wet dream and she gets convicted of something and has to go to a clubfed for a while. What is the negative impact on the democratic party should it be determined that she sent some classified emails to one of her aids using a private server, which is apparently what they think she'll go down for?
Now compare and contrast that to the negative impact of having a sitting GOP POTUS convicted of money laundering for Russian mobsters and failing to disclose that, leaving him an easy target for Russian blackmail - which seems to be what Mueller is investigating (and, despite what your favorite conspiracy theory website says, no one knows if he is confirming or refuting that charge, at this point).
Now explain to me why the GOP is so laser focused on trying to jail Hillary? What's the political upside for them, besides the fact that so many far right conservatives seem to hate her - which just makes them seem to be petty misogynists? Especially after so many of them, instead of wanting to jail Roy Moore for his many sexual infractions against minors, wanted to elect the man to the senate? Do you see how this casts the GOP in a negative light?
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 5, 2018 8:39:17 GMT -5
I'm not a big fan of Hillary, but the GOP is going to torture her until she dies. Then, they will disband because they will have no other driving purpose.
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Post by happyhoix on Jan 5, 2018 8:52:33 GMT -5
I'm not a big fan of Hillary, but the GOP is going to torture her until she dies. Then, they will disband because they will have no other driving purpose. This makes as much sense to me as trying to jail Sarah Palin because she used some campaign funds to buy clothes for her family. Yeah that was probably not legal, but what would be the point of it now?
Unless you just hate Sarah Palin?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 5, 2018 14:44:44 GMT -5
I'm not a big fan of Hillary, but the GOP is going to torture her until she dies. Then, they will disband because they will have no other driving purpose. This makes as much sense to me as trying to jail Sarah Palin because she used some campaign funds to buy clothes for her family. Yeah that was probably not legal, but what would be the point of it now?
Unless you just hate Sarah Palin?
Hillary Clinton didn't "mishandle" classified information. She was engaged in selling influence and wanted to hide her illegal activities from the government / public eye. As such, she used a private email server in contravention of the law. It's the activities she was hiding- like Bill being paid a half million dollars by agents of the Russian government in exchange for Hillary using her influence to facilitate the sale of 20% of the total US uranium production to the Russians. Have you read "Clinton Cash" or seen the documentary? It's one thing to not believe the information, dismiss it, or try to refute it- but to equate it with the ridiculous allegations against Sarah Palin as if that's something you actually think? I don't buy it. I don't think you're this ignorant. The alternative, however, is similarly unflattering.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 5, 2018 14:47:30 GMT -5
I'm not a big fan of Hillary, but the GOP is going to torture her until she dies. Then, they will disband because they will have no other driving purpose. I want justice. We executed the Rosenbergs for less.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 5, 2018 14:51:54 GMT -5
Ok I have one simple question.
Hillary did not win the election. She's now retired. She's no longer a central player in the Dem party.
Say you get your ultimate wet dream and she gets convicted of something and has to go to a clubfed for a while. What is the negative impact on the democratic party should it be determined that she sent some classified emails to one of her aids using a private server, which is apparently what they think she'll go down for?
Now compare and contrast that to the negative impact of having a sitting GOP POTUS convicted of money laundering for Russian mobsters and failing to disclose that, leaving him an easy target for Russian blackmail - which seems to be what Mueller is investigating (and, despite what your favorite conspiracy theory website says, no one knows if he is confirming or refuting that charge, at this point).
Now explain to me why the GOP is so laser focused on trying to jail Hillary? What's the political upside for them, besides the fact that so many far right conservatives seem to hate her - which just makes them seem to be petty misogynists? Especially after so many of them, instead of wanting to jail Roy Moore for his many sexual infractions against minors, wanted to elect the man to the senate? Do you see how this casts the GOP in a negative light?
I want the leadership of the Democratic Party put before military tribunals. I want the masterminds of the party's subversive activities executed by firing squad, and their senior co-conspirators put in Gitmo until they die. When I titled this thread 'treason' it wasn't hyperbole to me. I want the unAmerican, subversive, saboteurs of our country in BOTH parties-- but especially in the global communist Trojan Horse Democratic Party-- to finally answer for their treachery. I want arrogant, subervise people like John Brennan and James Clapper to die. I don't want anyone to take the law into their own hands-- I want them exposed, I want them tried, and I want the end of this to be the death of traitors by the sword of government. I hope this answers your question.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 5, 2018 14:52:31 GMT -5
And before you ask: No. Of course not. I don't see this happening. But since you mentioned "wet dream"-- there it is.
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Ok I have one simple question.
Hillary did not win the election. She's now retired. She's no longer a central player in the Dem party.
Say you get your ultimate wet dream and she gets convicted of something and has to go to a clubfed for a while. What is the negative impact on the democratic party should it be determined that she sent some classified emails to one of her aids using a private server, which is apparently what they think she'll go down for?
Now compare and contrast that to the negative impact of having a sitting GOP POTUS convicted of money laundering for Russian mobsters and failing to disclose that, leaving him an easy target for Russian blackmail - which seems to be what Mueller is investigating (and, despite what your favorite conspiracy theory website says, no one knows if he is confirming or refuting that charge, at this point).
Now explain to me why the GOP is so laser focused on trying to jail Hillary? What's the political upside for them, besides the fact that so many far right conservatives seem to hate her - which just makes them seem to be petty misogynists? Especially after so many of them, instead of wanting to jail Roy Moore for his many sexual infractions against minors, wanted to elect the man to the senate? Do you see how this casts the GOP in a negative light?
I want the leadership of the Democratic Party put before military tribunals. I want the masterminds of the party's subversive activities executed by firing squad, and their senior co-conspirators put in Gitmo until they die. When I titled this thread 'treason' it wasn't hyperbole to me. I want the unAmerican, subversive, saboteurs of our country in BOTH parties-- but especially in the global communist Trojan Horse Democratic Party-- to finally answer for their treachery. I want arrogant, subervise people like John Brennan and James Clapper to die. I don't want anyone to take the law into their own hands-- I want them exposed, I want them tried, and I want the end of this to be the death of traitors by the sword of government. I hope this answers your question. Shades of Nazi Germany. Scary.
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dezii
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Post by dezii on Jan 5, 2018 15:43:13 GMT -5
This makes as much sense to me as trying to jail Sarah Palin because she used some campaign funds to buy clothes for her family. Yeah that was probably not legal, but what would be the point of it now?
Unless you just hate Sarah Palin?
Hillary Clinton didn't "mishandle" classified information. She was engaged in selling influence and wanted to hide her illegal activities from the government / public eye. As such, she used a private email server in contravention of the law. It's the activities she was hiding- like Bill being paid a half million dollars by agents of the Russian government in exchange for Hillary using her influence to facilitate the sale of 20% of the total US uranium production to the Russians. Have you read "Clinton Cash" or seen the documentary? It's one thing to not believe the information, dismiss it, or try to refute it- but to equate it with the ridiculous allegations against Sarah Palin as if that's something you actually think? I don't buy it. I don't think you're this ignorant. The alternative, however, is similarly unflattering. Interesting point on Clinton, Russia and US Uranium supplies.......but then there is also the following.....[want to be fair here Paul] "The Uranium One Deal Was Not Clinton’s to Veto or Approve Among the ways these accusations stray from the facts is in attributing a power of veto or approval to Secretary Clinton that she simply did not have. Clinton was one of nine cabinet members and department heads that sit on the CFIUS, and the secretary of the treasury is its chairperson. CFIUS members are collectively charged with evaluating proposed foreign acquisitions for potential national security issues, then turning their findings over to the president. By law, the committee can’t veto a transaction; only the president can.
All nine federal agencies were required to approve the Uranium One transaction before it could go forward. According to The New York Times, Clinton may not have even directly participated in the decision. Then-Assistant Secretary of State Jose Fernandez, whose job it was to represent the State Dept. on CFIUS, said Clinton “never intervened” in committee matters. Clinton herself has said she wasn’t personally involved." ------------------------------------------- Just saying.....
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