SPYGATE; SMOKING GUN

[thyme4change]

www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/daniels-lawyer-cohen-got-500k-russian-oligarch-viktor-vekselberg-n872481

I don't know if Trump is the most moral man in America, but he sure hangs out and employs questionable people.

[djAdvocate]

May 8, 2018 21:04:39 GMT -5 Opti said:

May 8, 2018 11:59:06 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

It's getting tougher to deny the Mueller investigation is primarily a cover-up of the weaponization of the intelligence and law enforcement agencies of government for political purposes by Obama & Hillary, and to that end- it is a partisan witch hunt designed to topple a duly elected President.

PREDICTION: Mueller will be gone in 30 days.

only if the investigation is over.  Rudy said it would be over by last Friday.  it is getting close.  it might be wrapped up by then. 

query: given that it IS so close to conclusion, why not just wait?  what's the rush to fire a guy who is 95% done with his job?  why not let him do the last 5%?  makes no sense, unless you don't WANT him to finish his job.  is that what you are saying?  if so, why?

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

So, while we're on the topic of treason...

Let's see if I have this straight:

1. Hillary Clinton pushed a deal to sell 20% of the uranium production of the United States to a foreign entity effectively owned by Rosatom, a Russian state energy conglomerate.  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosatom
2. Bill Clinton, as he prepared to collect a $500,000 payday in Moscow in 2010, Bill Clinton sought clearance from the State Department to meet with a key board director of the Russian nuclear energy firm Rosatom — which at the time needed the Obama administration’s approval for a controversial uranium deal, government records show.
Arkady Dvorkovich, a top aide to then-Russian President Dmitri Medvedev and one of the highest-ranking government officials to serve on Rosatom’s board of supervisors, was listed on a May 14, 2010, email as one of 15 Russians the former president wanted to meet during a late June 2010 trip, the documents show. thehill.com/policy/national-security/356323-bill-clinton-sought-states-permission-to-meet-with-russian-nuclear 
3. The Russians aided hostile foreign country's nuclear programs- specifically Iran and Venezuela- www.nationalreview.com/2017/10/uranium-one-deal-obama-administration-doj-hillary-clinton-racketeering/ - thehill.com/video/in-the-news/380366-informant-provided-fbi-evidence-russia-aided-iran-nuclear-program-during
4. Obama gave Iran $150 billion to buy shit.

You need all the skill of a kindergartener working out one of those big block puzzles to at least ask the question: Did the Clintons get a big fat bribe in order to sell US uranium to Russia so Russia could sell it to Iran which would buy it with the $150 billion Obama sent them? Did we just buy our own fucking uranium for Iran? 

Tell you what- there's more reason to ask this question than any stupid Trump-Russian collusion questions.

[Opti]

You don't have it straight, it goes wrong with point one.

1) 5% of the US uranium production.

4) We owed them money from back in the 70s. You know this.

2) I believe he spoke to an investment bank.

Why do you always need to put things together as a conspiracy?  Its 2018, not 2010. Where's the proof from all those conservative investigators? No need to program any poor child into bad logic so young.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

Opti  Evidently SCP doesn't know facts before posting here. 

[weltschmerz]

"You need all the skill of a kindergartener working out one of those big block puzzles to at least ask the question: Did the Clintons get a big fat bribe in order to sell US uranium to Russia so Russia could sell it to Iran which would buy it with the $150 billion Obama sent them? Did we just buy our own fucking uranium for Iran?"
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Because uranium is considered an asset with national security implications, the 2010 sale to Rosatom was subject to approval by the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, an intragovernmental agency that includes input from the Departments of State, Treasury, Justice, Energy, Defense, Commerce and Homeland Security, as well as the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative.

www.politico.com/story/2017/11/14/hillary-clinton-uranium-one-deal-russia-explainer-244895

So I guess the Departments of State, Treasury, Justice, Energy, Defense, Commerce and Homeland Security, as well as the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative all took big, fat bribes?

You want us to "think for ourselves", yet you fall for every conspiracy theory that comes down the pike.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

There are some people who believe everything they are told. Don't do research or think for them selves. Yet they have arguments here. Let's lead them to the edge of the cliff to jump off. 

[Tennesseer]

May 9, 2018 16:49:10 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

There are some people who believe everything they are told. Don't do research or think for them selves. Yet they have arguments here. Let's lead them to the edge of the cliff to jump off. 

There is no cliff when one is already at the bottom of the abyss.

[dondub]

 Obama gave Iran $150 billion to buy shit.

 Like $9+billion of Boeing planes down the tube now. Trump just "waterboarded the American economy."

[kadee79]

May 9, 2018 15:22:55 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

So, while we're on the topic of treason...

Let's see if I have this straight:

1. Hillary Clinton pushed a deal to sell 20% of the uranium production of the United States to a foreign entity effectively owned by Rosatom, a Russian state energy conglomerate.  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosatom
2. Bill Clinton, as he prepared to collect a $500,000 payday in Moscow in 2010, Bill Clinton sought clearance from the State Department to meet with a key board director of the Russian nuclear energy firm Rosatom — which at the time needed the Obama administration’s approval for a controversial uranium deal, government records show.
Arkady Dvorkovich, a top aide to then-Russian President Dmitri Medvedev and one of the highest-ranking government officials to serve on Rosatom’s board of supervisors, was listed on a May 14, 2010, email as one of 15 Russians the former president wanted to meet during a late June 2010 trip, the documents show. thehill.com/policy/national-security/356323-bill-clinton-sought-states-permission-to-meet-with-russian-nuclear 
3. The Russians aided hostile foreign country's nuclear programs- specifically Iran and Venezuela- www.nationalreview.com/2017/10/uranium-one-deal-obama-administration-doj-hillary-clinton-racketeering/ - thehill.com/video/in-the-news/380366-informant-provided-fbi-evidence-russia-aided-iran-nuclear-program-during
4. Obama gave Iran $150 billion to buy shit.

You need all the skill of a kindergartener working out one of those big block puzzles to at least ask the question: Did the Clintons get a big fat bribe in order to sell US uranium to Russia so Russia could sell it to Iran which would buy it with the $150 billion Obama sent them? Did we just buy our own fucking uranium for Iran? 

Tell you what- there's more reason to ask this question than any stupid Trump-Russian collusion questions.

Ok, who dropped SCP on his head when he was a baby....fess up!

All this garbage was debunked long ago & over & over & over & over...and 'they' just can't let go.  It's ancient history now.
 

[djAdvocate]

May 10, 2018 9:15:10 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

May 9, 2018 15:22:55 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

So, while we're on the topic of treason...

Let's see if I have this straight:

1. Hillary Clinton pushed a deal to sell 20% of the uranium production of the United States to a foreign entity effectively owned by Rosatom, a Russian state energy conglomerate.  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosatom

 

the only "pushing" being done is by the shitplunger you call "news". 

this story is absolute crap, and has been debunked repeatedly, resolutely, and thoroughly.

continuing to report it as if it were fact undermines your credibility.

stop.

[djAdvocate]

May 10, 2018 10:39:39 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Credibility?   

you just pointed out why it won't stop.

[dondub]

I think I would need a big dose of PCPDragonEnergy to believe 1 word from the conservativeweehouse. Is there a crescent moon cut into the door?

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 10, 2018 9:15:10 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

May 9, 2018 15:22:55 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

So, while we're on the topic of treason...

Let's see if I have this straight:

1. Hillary Clinton pushed a deal to sell 20% of the uranium production of the United States to a foreign entity effectively owned by Rosatom, a Russian state energy conglomerate.  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosatom
2. Bill Clinton, as he prepared to collect a $500,000 payday in Moscow in 2010, Bill Clinton sought clearance from the State Department to meet with a key board director of the Russian nuclear energy firm Rosatom — which at the time needed the Obama administration’s approval for a controversial uranium deal, government records show.
Arkady Dvorkovich, a top aide to then-Russian President Dmitri Medvedev and one of the highest-ranking government officials to serve on Rosatom’s board of supervisors, was listed on a May 14, 2010, email as one of 15 Russians the former president wanted to meet during a late June 2010 trip, the documents show. thehill.com/policy/national-security/356323-bill-clinton-sought-states-permission-to-meet-with-russian-nuclear 
3. The Russians aided hostile foreign country's nuclear programs- specifically Iran and Venezuela- www.nationalreview.com/2017/10/uranium-one-deal-obama-administration-doj-hillary-clinton-racketeering/ - thehill.com/video/in-the-news/380366-informant-provided-fbi-evidence-russia-aided-iran-nuclear-program-during
4. Obama gave Iran $150 billion to buy shit.

You need all the skill of a kindergartener working out one of those big block puzzles to at least ask the question: Did the Clintons get a big fat bribe in order to sell US uranium to Russia so Russia could sell it to Iran which would buy it with the $150 billion Obama sent them? Did we just buy our own fucking uranium for Iran? 

Tell you what- there's more reason to ask this question than any stupid Trump-Russian collusion questions.

Ok, who dropped SCP on his head when he was a baby....fess up!

All this garbage was debunked long ago & over & over & over & over...and 'they' just can't let go.  It's ancient history now.
 

It would have had to have been investigated to be "debunked" it was ignored and declared "debunked". 

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 10, 2018 11:04:42 GMT -5 dondub said:

I think I would need a big dose of PCPDragonEnergy to believe 1 word from the conservativeweehouse. Is there a crescent moon cut into the door?

And yet no examples.

[dondub]

None of the photos would post but you know what they look like anyway.

[djAdvocate]

It would have had to have been investigated to be "debunked" it was ignored and declared "debunked".

no.  it was investigated. 

the results of those investigations were posted on this board at least three times

in my memory.  i am pretty sure there was an entire thread dedicated to them.

so, nice attempt at inoculation, but it is actually YOU that is ignoring the facts.

NOTE TO THE BOARD: i pointed out when this accusation was brought up that it was bullshit.  i knew it was bullshit right away because i do a lot of investing in the uranium sector, and i know what the policies are.  first of all, U1 is a Canadian company.  secondly, the mines in the US can ONLY produce mineral for the US, no matter who owns it.  there are strict policies on how to export raw or refined Uranium.  third, U1's mines are about 1/10th of US production, not 1/5th.  and finally, this deal was not Clinton's to approve or deny.  it was overseen by a 9 person board who voted UNANIMOUSLY to approve it.  by law, only the president can veto the decision of the CFIUS.  i know of no case in US history where he (or any other president) has done so.  so, basically your "facts" are 100% wrong on this subject, as i have told you about half a dozen times.  but rather than backing up your claims, you come at me with "it hasn't been investigated"?

that is not a defense.  that is a red herring.  and it is also false.

again: stop posting this particular non-fact, or lose all credibility.

tyia

[weltschmerz]

May 10, 2018 16:28:38 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

It would have had to have been investigated to be "debunked" it was ignored and declared "debunked".

no.  it was investigated. 

the results of those investigations were posted on this board at least three times

in my memory.  i am pretty sure there was an entire thread dedicated to them.

so, nice attempt at inoculation, but it is actually YOU that is ignoring the facts.

NOTE TO THE BOARD: i pointed out when this accusation was brought up that it was bullshit.  i knew it was bullshit right away because i do a lot of investing in the uranium sector, and i know what the policies are.  first of all, U1 is a Canadian company.  secondly, the mines in the US can ONLY produce mineral for the US, no matter who owns it.  there are strict policies on how to export raw or refined Uranium.  third, U1's mines are about 1/10th of US production, not 1/5th.  and finally, this deal was not Clinton's to approve or deny.  it was overseen by a 9 person board who voted UNANIMOUSLY to approve it.  by law, only the president can veto the decision of the CFIUS.  i know of no case in US history where he (or any other president) has done so.  so, basically your "facts" are 100% wrong on this subject, as i have told you about half a dozen times.  but rather than backing up your claims, you come at me with "it hasn't been investigated"?

that is not a defense.  that is a red herring.  and it is also false.

again: stop posting this particular non-fact, or lose all credibility.

tyia

It won't do a bit of good, you know.

Shooby is going to bring up the uranium deal again and again and again, blaming Hillary.
Then it will be all about Obama "giving" Iran billions of dollars.
They don't listen.

[happyhoix]

May 10, 2018 17:17:19 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

May 10, 2018 16:28:38 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

It would have had to have been investigated to be "debunked" it was ignored and declared "debunked".

no.  it was investigated. 

the results of those investigations were posted on this board at least three times

in my memory.  i am pretty sure there was an entire thread dedicated to them.

so, nice attempt at inoculation, but it is actually YOU that is ignoring the facts.

NOTE TO THE BOARD: i pointed out when this accusation was brought up that it was bullshit.  i knew it was bullshit right away because i do a lot of investing in the uranium sector, and i know what the policies are.  first of all, U1 is a Canadian company.  secondly, the mines in the US can ONLY produce mineral for the US, no matter who owns it.  there are strict policies on how to export raw or refined Uranium.  third, U1's mines are about 1/10th of US production, not 1/5th.  and finally, this deal was not Clinton's to approve or deny.  it was overseen by a 9 person board who voted UNANIMOUSLY to approve it.  by law, only the president can veto the decision of the CFIUS.  i know of no case in US history where he (or any other president) has done so.  so, basically your "facts" are 100% wrong on this subject, as i have told you about half a dozen times.  but rather than backing up your claims, you come at me with "it hasn't been investigated"?

that is not a defense.  that is a red herring.  and it is also false.

again: stop posting this particular non-fact, or lose all credibility.

tyia

It won't do a bit of good, you know.

Shooby is going to bring up the uranium deal again and again and again, blaming Hillary.
Then it will be all about Obama "giving" Iran billions of dollars.
They don't listen.

BENGAZI!

[NastyWoman]

May 10, 2018 17:23:32 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

May 10, 2018 17:17:19 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

It won't do a bit of good, you know.

Shooby is going to bring up the uranium deal again and again and again, blaming Hillary.
Then it will be all about Obama "giving" Iran billions of dollars.
They don't listen.

BENGAZI!

EMAILS! And no, I am not the one to drop SCP on his head when he was baby → I lived on the other side of the world at that time

[Rukh O'Rorke]

May 10, 2018 10:35:40 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

May 10, 2018 9:15:10 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

 

the only "pushing" being done is by the shitplunger you call "news". 

this story is absolute crap, and has been debunked repeatedly, resolutely, and thoroughly.

continuing to report it as if it were fact undermines your credibility.

stop.

Credibility?

Long since sailed.....

[Rukh O'Rorke]

But trying to hold onto some semblance of sanity .....

Now, that could be a goal.

[Tennesseer]

May 11, 2018 6:06:14 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

But, what about..........       EBOLA?  

Speaking of EBOLA:

On Wednesday (May 9th, 2018), the World Health Organization declared an outbreak of Ebola hemorrhagic fever in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

Just as news of the Ebola outbreak broke, Donald Trump asked the Congress to rescind $252 million that had been put aside to deal with Ebola, as part of a broader move to cut down on “excessive spending.” That pot of money is the leftover from a $5.4 billion sum that Congress appropriated for dealing with the West African Ebola epidemic in 2015. ... 

Congress has 45 days from the time of Trump’s request to act, during which time the $252 million is frozen. If they vote it down, or simply ignore it, the funds will be spent as intended.

The Trump Administration Is Fully Prepared for Another Ebola Outbreak. Right?

[Virgil Showlion]

May 11, 2018 6:06:14 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

But, what about..........       EBOLA?  

Ebola is flaring up in Africa again, in numerous places, as recently as this week.

You should probably pick another example.

[billisonboard]

May 11, 2018 7:57:55 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

May 11, 2018 6:06:14 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

But, what about..........       EBOLA?  

Ebola is flaring up in Africa again, in numerous places, as recently as this week.

You should probably pick another example.

But it isn't showing up on door handles in the United States.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

We're starting to get a picture of the Mueller "investigation" as not only a cover-up operation, but an on-going political spying operation:

Questions I have:

1. Did they spy WITHOUT a warrant? Was the warrant later sought to cover their tracks?
2. When did the spying begin, who was the spy, and for what stated legtimate purpose was the spying operation undertaken?
3. (Likely) Isn't this all just political spying which they never thought they'd have to answer for because Trump was going to win? And
4. Isn't everything else-- the intelligence / criminal investigations just a cover up?

I think we know the answers-- we just need the final puzzle pieces, and they WILL fall into place.

www.wsj.com/articles/about-that-fbi-source-1525992611

About That FBI ‘Source’
Did the bureau engage in outright spying against the 2016 Trump campaign?

The Department of Justice lost its latest battle with Congress Thursday when it allowed House Intelligence Committee members to view classified documents about a top-secret intelligence source that was part of the FBI’s investigation of the Trump campaign. Even without official confirmation of that source’s name, the news so far holds some stunning implications.

Among them is that the Justice Department and Federal Bureau of Investigation outright hid critical information from a congressional investigation. In a Thursday press conference, Speaker Paul Ryan bluntly noted that Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes’s request for details on this secret source was “wholly appropriate,” “completely within the scope” of the committee’s long-running FBI investigation, and “something that probably should have been answered a while ago.” Translation: The department knew full well it should have turned this material over to congressional investigators last year, but instead deliberately concealed it.

House investigators nonetheless sniffed out a name, and Mr. Nunes in recent weeks issued a letter and a subpoena demanding more details. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s response was to double down—accusing the House of “extortion” and delivering a speech in which he claimed that “declining to open the FBI’s files to review” is a constitutional “duty.” Justice asked the White House to back its stonewall. And it even began spinning that daddy of all superspook arguments—that revealing any detail about this particular asset could result in “loss of human lives.”

This is desperation, and it strongly suggests that whatever is in these files is going to prove very uncomfortable to the FBI.

The bureau already has some explaining to do. Thanks to the Washington Post’s unnamed law-enforcement leakers, we know Mr. Nunes’s request deals with a “top secret intelligence source” of the FBI and CIA, who is a U.S. citizen and who was involved in the Russia collusion probe. When government agencies refer to sources, they mean people who appear to be average citizens but use their profession or contacts to spy for the agency. Ergo, we might take this to mean that the FBI secretly had a person on the payroll who used his or her non-FBI credentials to interact in some capacity with the Trump campaign.

This would amount to spying, and it is hugely disconcerting. It would also be a major escalation from the electronic surveillance we already knew about, which was bad enough. Obama political appointees rampantly “unmasked” Trump campaign officials to monitor their conversations, while the FBI played dirty with its surveillance warrant against Carter Page, failing to tell the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that its supporting information came from the Hillary Clinton campaign. Now we find it may have also been rolling out human intelligence, John Le Carré style, to infiltrate the Trump campaign.

Which would lead to another big question for the FBI: When? The bureau has been doggedly sticking with its story that a tip in July 2016 about the drunken ramblings of George Papadopoulos launched its counterintelligence probe. Still, the players in this affair—the FBI, former Director Jim Comey, the Steele dossier authors—have been suspiciously vague on the key moments leading up to that launch date. When precisely was the Steele dossier delivered to the FBI? When precisely did the Papadopoulos information come in?

And to the point, when precisely was this human source operating? Because if it was prior to that infamous Papadopoulos tip, then the FBI isn’t being straight. It would mean the bureau was spying on the Trump campaign prior to that moment. And that in turn would mean that the FBI had been spurred to act on the basis of something other than a junior campaign aide’s loose lips.

We also know that among the Justice Department’s stated reasons for not complying with the Nunes subpoena was its worry that to do so might damage international relationships. This suggests the “source” may be overseas, have ties to foreign intelligence, or both. That’s notable, given the highly suspicious role foreigners have played in this escapade. It was an Australian diplomat who reported the Papadopoulos conversation. Dossier author Christopher Steele is British, used to work for MI6, and retains ties to that spy agency as well as to a network of former spooks. It was a former British diplomat who tipped off Sen. John McCain to the dossier. How this “top secret” source fits into this puzzle could matter deeply...

[Virgil Showlion]

May 11, 2018 8:04:03 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

May 11, 2018 7:57:55 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Ebola is flaring up in Africa again, in numerous places, as recently as this week.

You should probably pick another example.

But it isn't showing up on door handles in the United States.

By the Grace of God, no.

Nor is it so virulent that the thought of a North American outbreak keeps me up at night. But it's not an imaginary threat, which is how demin is invoking it here.

[Virgil Showlion]

May 11, 2018 8:55:07 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

We're starting to get a picture of the Mueller "investigation" as not only a cover-up operation, but an on-going political spying operation:

...

www.wsj.com/articles/about-that-fbi-source-1525992611

The allegations are deeply unsettling, but I still don't see where Mr. Mueller fits into this.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 11, 2018 9:03:27 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

May 11, 2018 8:55:07 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

We're starting to get a picture of the Mueller "investigation" as not only a cover-up operation, but an on-going political spying operation:

...

www.wsj.com/articles/about-that-fbi-source-1525992611

The allegations are deeply unsettling, but I still don't see where Mr. Mueller fits into this.

It's hard to keep up lately-- sorry, I forgot:

There's proof of collusion now.

Between Robert Mueller and James Comey.

And this is a very big deal. Do not doubt me. This might be what implodes the whole thing.  The one thing to keep in mind as this "battle" supposedly "rages"...President Trump holds all the cards. He may, at his option, declassify any of this-- or ALL of this. And I think that's what might be behind Vice President Pence's warning to Mueller to pack it in.

Emails confirm that FBI officials advised former FBI Director James Comey to coordinate his congressional testimony last summer with special counsel Robert Mueller-- meaning Comey's opening statement and subsequent testimony may have been coordinated with Robert Mueller. As soon as Comey was fired, he began working with the FBI, fired and under criminal investigation Andy McCabe (of "Andy's Office" insurance policy fame) on his testimony

These documents were sought a year ago.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

We are getting VERY close to blowing the lid off the entire Russian collusion hoax. My opinion remains that behind the scenes it is being made clear to Robert Mueller that he has been given a menu of options which is steadily shrinking with each passing day-- in other words, he's knows it's over and he has a limited number of "stay out of federal prison" options available and the government-- including President Trump, who has more class and wisdom than he gets credit for, would very much like to protect and preserve the reputation of the FBI to the extent possible, but there is a nuclear option at the ready. And the longer this drags on, the more likely it will have to be pressed.