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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on May 4, 2018 11:56:17 GMT -5
I've becoming increasingly liberal over the past 10 years. Because I have been listening  As I've related previously, my family is very conservative and I was not as conservative as they. But I am definitely sliding more left these days. i was raised by an extremely strict, conservative parent. i grew steadily more conservative until BUSH2. however, the Iraq War put an extremely bad taste in my mouth, and i have been moving left ever since. that is 15 years, now. i switched from Republican to "unaffiliated" after the last election. Goes towards a point I was making 6-12 months ago ..... folks acting like political affiliation is an embedded demographic rather than a choice and changeable. A lot of the rhetoric even implied that it was inheritable. Yet as we two demonstrate .... you do change your tune sometimes. |
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Post by djAdvocate on May 4, 2018 14:27:27 GMT -5
i was raised by an extremely strict, conservative parent. i grew steadily more conservative until BUSH2. however, the Iraq War put an extremely bad taste in my mouth, and i have been moving left ever since. that is 15 years, now. i switched from Republican to "unaffiliated" after the last election. Goes towards a point I was making 6-12 months ago ..... folks acting like political affiliation is an embedded demographic rather than a choice and changeable. A lot of the rhetoric even implied that it was inheritable. Yet as we two demonstrate .... you do change your tune sometimes. it is my love for facts that is moving me further from the GOP these days. i feel pretty good about it.  |
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on May 4, 2018 16:31:25 GMT -5
Goes towards a point I was making 6-12 months ago ..... folks acting like political affiliation is an embedded demographic rather than a choice and changeable. A lot of the rhetoric even implied that it was inheritable. Yet as we two demonstrate .... you do change your tune sometimes. it is my love for facts that is moving me further from the GOP these days. i feel pretty good about it. Yes, and....other stuff..... |
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 4, 2018 22:48:13 GMT -5
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Post by weltschmerz on May 4, 2018 23:07:47 GMT -5
If we wanted to read The Conservative Treehouse in its entirety, we'd GO to the Conservative Treehouse.
Do you have anything else?
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Post by djAdvocate on May 5, 2018 1:51:31 GMT -5
yeah, seriously. this board is not conservativenuthousedigest.com
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Post by Opti on May 5, 2018 5:41:04 GMT -5
I doubt anything will happen to Lisa Page. At this time she is really only guilty of having an affair and being very stupid using FBI devices. You've known for quite awhile those messages can't be retrieved. If there really was any action besides talk, there would be some actions to find... which the conservative conspiracy theorists have not. People who have affairs panic and do stupid things.
Bill Clinton almost got ejected from the Presidency simply because he didn't want to admit to his wife in public he had cheated again. So you may think you know its hiding something bad, but odds are its more of a knee jerk pride thing for their personal lives.
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Post by Opti on May 5, 2018 6:25:07 GMT -5
I read the one on James Baker. That is some unrealistic crap. I love how they keep mentioning the "insurance policy" in quotes because they actually have no proof anything existed. But that doesn't stop them from making up some of the dumbest logic I've seen in awhile. Per them, James Baker is in legal jeopardy and is going to work for someone per them who advised on this mythical insurance policy. 
What appears to have happened in RL, is the investigation has concluded and instead of firing these people they were allowed to resign. We don't know what they found, but apparently it wasn't enough there to prosecute them in front of Congress or whomever, so they were ready to let them be private citizens. Heck maybe there is enough tapes of their tapped phones since Dec 2017 and they still found nothing worth prosecuting. Yet another version of Pizzagate. So what's the next thing that's going to be twisted into some hyper-politicized nonsense to go crazy over? |
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Post by OldCoyote on May 5, 2018 8:12:38 GMT -5
they actually have no proof anything existed. As grabbed from above.
After all the texts?
What about the dossier?? Where is there any actual "proof" that it existed?
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Post by dezii on May 5, 2018 8:32:10 GMT -5
yeah, seriously. this board is not conservativenuthousedigest.com of course not...a very intelligent board it is... |
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Post by djAdvocate on May 5, 2018 10:51:15 GMT -5
they actually have no proof anything existed. As grabbed from above.
After all the texts? What about the dossier?? Where is there any actual "proof" that it existed? that what existed? |
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on May 5, 2018 10:56:04 GMT -5
yeah, seriously. this board is not conservativenuthousedigest.com Paul thinks this is his personal board. And he tells us what we won't understand and how we will respond before we do. |
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Post by tallguy on May 5, 2018 11:18:07 GMT -5
More that the same sorry tactics that work on those who are ruled by fear will work on those who aren't. Can't imagine where that impression would have come from.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2018 11:18:17 GMT -5
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Post by Opti on May 5, 2018 15:35:43 GMT -5
they actually have no proof anything existed. As grabbed from above. After all the texts?What about the dossier? Where is there any actual "proof" that it existed? I think it was pretty clear in what I wrote. They have no proof an "insurance policy" existed. And yes apparently after all the texts because only one said they should have one.
But I'll give a similar challenge I give to one of the posters who insists Trump was wire-tapped. Prove it. Show me the texts, emails, or whatever that explain in detail what the insurance policy is and how it was carried out. I looked today. Not a single link has anything but conjecture. Not one. There's a reason only the conservative media covered this story. Its just another Pizzagate.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 5, 2018 18:49:38 GMT -5
EVERY LAST THING Trump AND HIS SUPPORTERS THOUGHT WAS TRUE IS 100% VERIFIED. EVERY. lAST. THING. Okay....I'm beginning to think even you don't believe all of the stuff you post, you just like to stir the pot here. EVERY LAST THING?
So you're saying that pizzagate was real? Surely even YOU cannot believe that?
Again, what point are you trying to make here?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 6, 2018 22:03:21 GMT -5
Comey is fucked...
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Post by djAdvocate on May 6, 2018 22:50:33 GMT -5
when it turns out you are totally wrong, promise me you will disavow conservativeshithouse.
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Post by Opti on May 6, 2018 22:55:43 GMT -5
EARLY in 2018, the Russia investigation will be rapidly wrapped up, and the narrative abandoned with the intention of sweeping what has been uncovered about it under the rug. It will not work. People are going to jail- more than a few for the rest of their lives. Much more will be exposed. Americans will be aghast at the extent to which their government has been corrupted. Every single agency of the federal government- from the CIA, FBI, DOJ, IRS, ONI, NSA, EPA, ICE, DHS, TSA and a host of other three letter federal bureaucracies will undergo the most dramatic house-cleaning we've seen in the history of the government going back to FDR. The illegal and unConstitutional administrative state we've come to accept will no longer be able to rely upon the comforting words of their motto: "WBHWYG". We The People have taken our government back. #notright We are past early 2018. Mid year is roughly July 1st which is less than 2 months away. You are right about one thing, I don't expect you or Trump to drop the Trump victim narrative so carefully crafted all these months.
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Post by Opti on May 6, 2018 23:16:09 GMT -5
Using the FBI as an "insurance policy" in case the election doesn't go the way you think it should is not "bias". It is treason. We know for a fact now that the FBI was working for one party / campaign against the other party / campaign. This agent was not fired for his political opinions. We all have political opinions. He was fired because Mueller was trying desperately not to get caught. The question is: What did Obama know and when did he know it? This was an astonishing look at the Washington elite's contempt for the American people, and their total corruption. #notright
When I reread the first few pages of this thread I was reminded that the RW propaganda story was that you all knew what the insurance policy was and it had to do with investigating Russia malfeasance and its possible US enablers. Now how whoever created the story convinced themselves that something like that could be considered an insurance policy EVEN IF IT WERE TRUE, but its not, amazes me in a bad way.
An insurance policy is should be something you set up that will be quick, effective, and pretty close to 100% should you choose to deploy it or it engages. This Trump fantasy about this FBI conspiracy is none of those things. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Too many moving parts, too many people, and more importantly - impeachment has never worked!
It has been an astonishing look at how stupid Trump and part of the RW think the American public is. I suppose for the emotional Trump supporters they have bought this sorry excuse of a narrative because they bought the Trump as victim narrative before he was elected. And they feel like victims which is why they became the red hat MAGA brigade in the first place. But its, not right. Its #fakenews. It doesn't explain why the insurance policy wouldn't have been something much simpler from finding new employers to showing a trail from Trump's money to Stormy's payoff. Much simpler
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Post by Opti on May 7, 2018 7:33:38 GMT -5
I guess I forgot to post about James Baker's alleged job. The treehouse opines he will work for a three person legal blog and at least one other media outlet says he is likely to accept employment with a Washington Think Tank. I think the latter is more likely.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on May 7, 2018 8:29:00 GMT -5
when it turns out you are totally wrong, promise me you will disavow conservativeshithouse. That would be logical if poster was the slightest bit interested in truth. The interest is only in "narrative" that agrees with what he wants to believe. |
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Post by Virgil Showlion on May 7, 2018 9:51:32 GMT -5
I watched the series. To be the best of my knowledge, there's nobody on YMAM who (at this point) doesn't believe Ms. Clinton was criminally negligent, her team actively obstructed justice, and that the FBI/DoJ investigation was a sham. We've moved on to: are we trying to draw blood from a stone? Ms. Clinton is (presumably) out of American politics forever. Mr. Comey, A.G. McCabe, Sec. Lynch, and all the senior actors at the FBI have all been fired or retired. The main actors in the case were all granted immunity. The evidence has all been destroyed (I wasn't aware of just how much was destroyed until I watched this video). Without a doubt, the sham prosecution is a gross miscarriage of justice, but will it not wind up like Benghazi? Fruitlessly trying to build a case based on tight-lipped witnesses and forensic evidence that was thoroughly destroyed ex ante? We know why the DoJ and Mr. Comey did what they did. Can you imagine the chaos that would have ensued had Ms. Clinton been properly charged? One of only two presidential candidates wiped out months before the election, virtually handing the office to a loose cannon like Pres. Trump? You think there's Trump Derangement Syndrome now? Imagine if his only competitor had been all but wiped off the ballot by the FBI? There isn't a man alive on the political left who'd recognize the legitimacy of Trump's election win. Nor would Pres. Trump's many detractors on the right stand by his win. Do I condone what Mr. Comey did? No. But I understand why he did it. And I can believe what was running through his head as he drafted the memo was: "I don't want to be the man responsible for tearing this nation in two," and not "I owe this to Ms. Clinton." As for the FISA debacle, let that train wreck unfold in its own time. Don't count your chickens before they hatch. |
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Post by happyhoix on May 7, 2018 10:13:57 GMT -5
I watched the series. To be the best of my knowledge, there's nobody on YMAM who (at this point) doesn't believe Ms. Clinton was criminally negligent, her team actively obstructed justice, and that the FBI/DoJ investigation was a sham. We've moved on to: are we trying to draw blood from a stone? Ms. Clinton is (presumably) out of American politics forever. Mr. Comey, A.G. McCabe, Sec. Lynch, and all the senior actors at the FBI have all been fired or retired. The main actors in the case were all granted immunity. The evidence has all been destroyed (I wasn't aware of just how much was destroyed until I watched this video). Without a doubt, the sham prosecution is a gross miscarriage of justice, but will it not wind up like Benghazi? Fruitlessly trying to build a case based on tight-lipped witnesses and forensic evidence that was thoroughly destroyed ex ante? We know why the DoJ and Mr. Comey did what they did. Can you imagine the chaos that would have ensued had Ms. Clinton been properly charged? One of only two presidential candidates wiped out months before the election, virtually handing the office to a loose cannon like Pres. Trump? You think there's Trump Derangement Syndrome now? Imagine if his only competitor had been all but wiped off the ballot by the FBI? There isn't a man alive on the political left who'd recognize the legitimacy of Trump's election win. Nor would Pres. Trump's many detractors on the right stand by his win. Do I condone what Mr. Comey did? No. But I understand why he did it. And I can believe what was running through his head as he drafted the memo was: "I don't want to be the man responsible for tearing this nation in two," and not "I owe this to Ms. Clinton." As for the FISA debacle, let that train wreck unfold in its own time. Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Virgil! Stop muddying the water with logic!
As for why Clinton keeps being resurrected like some zombie hobgoblin, even though she's long gone and forever done, it's because she's the favorite zombie hobgoblin of the right. Which is why Trump and friends are spinning like mad to try to find some way to frame the whole Mueller investigation as some elaborate scheme on the part of Clinton to upend Trump and get the election declared in her favor (even though, constitutionally, that would never happen).
Heck, if Clinton can run a child sex ring out of a pizza restaurant and execute the secret assassinations of whole football stadiums of her enemies, she's certainly capable of masterminding the entire DOJ from the sun room of her suburban home, as she sits there drinking tea in her fuzzy slippers.
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Post by Opti on May 7, 2018 10:19:34 GMT -5
she's certainly capable of masterminding the entire DOJ from the sun room of her suburban home, as she sits there drinking tea in her fuzzy slippers. That is funny. 
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Post by thyme4change on May 7, 2018 10:36:51 GMT -5
I watched the series. To be the best of my knowledge, there's nobody on YMAM who (at this point) doesn't believe Ms. Clinton was criminally negligent, her team actively obstructed justice, and that the FBI/DoJ investigation was a sham. We've moved on to: are we trying to draw blood from a stone? This does not accurately represent what I believe. Please do not presume to speak for me. You have now been given the knowledge that your statement is not true and you should rephrase your statement to represent the truth more accurately. |
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Post by djAdvocate on May 7, 2018 10:50:48 GMT -5
board: stop trying to be reasonable. this is not a thread for reasoned debate. this is 52 pages of worthless hysterics, and ridicule thereof.
you're welcome.
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Post by Opti on May 7, 2018 10:58:44 GMT -5
I watched the series. To be the best of my knowledge, there's nobody on YMAM who (at this point) doesn't believe Ms. Clinton was criminally negligent, her team actively obstructed justice, and that the FBI/DoJ investigation was a sham. We've moved on to: are we trying to draw blood from a stone? This does not accurately represent what I believe. Please do not presume to speak for me. You have now been given the knowledge that your statement is not true and you should rephrase your statement to represent the truth more accurately. Agreed. I believe Clinton was negligent and disobeyed some laws. I however felt nothing was big enough to heavily fine or jail her. During the campaign Trump publicly asked Russia to find Clinton's emails. Whether you think he was joking or not, I believe in a courtroom Trump would have to answer "yes" to the question of 'Did you ask Russia to find Clinton's emails?' You add in his classified info reveal to Russia while he's new to office, I can't see Clinton as worse than Trump.
And I do not think the investigation was a sham. There are things we on the board are not privy to. We do not know all the cases they've handled, the inner details. Why some things are punished and others not. Why sometimes national security is the reason higher officials seem to get away with things that folks on the low rungs do not. In short, our knowledge is small and incomplete.
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Post by tallguy on May 7, 2018 11:01:52 GMT -5
board: stop trying to be reasonable. this is not a thread for reasoned debate. this is 52 pages of worthless hysterics, and ridicule thereof. you're welcome. Would it have been several pages longer if all of the ridicule had been allowed to stay?  |
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