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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 2, 2018 21:21:33 GMT -5
At this point one has to be almost criminally stupid to still be a Trump supporter. If Trump (Insert name of choice) was not in this, This exactly something Trump would have said. Way to go Tall,, You have reached Trump status!
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Post by NastyWoman on Feb 2, 2018 21:38:39 GMT -5
As a side note it is believed that Comey made a public statement about reopening the Clinton email case because the FBI NY office had threatened to go public with the new emails. While his statement was damaging to Clinton it was less damaging than having it come out another way. There was a new batch of Strzok/Page texts released yesterday that had them discussing how to avoid record keeping and talking to FBI IT on how to do it. It's not a good look. Oh FFS, take those bloody emails already and build THE WALL out of them, since nobody seems to be able to get over them --- and isn't that the purpose of that stupid wall?
And in case you are wondering: yes I totally stole this from FB but it is so incredibly fitting.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 2, 2018 21:51:57 GMT -5
Nunes: I did not read material summarized in the memoRep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) on Friday admitted that did not personally review the applications for surveillance warrants that provide the basis of the classified memo released earlier in the day. Nunes said he relied on the review of committee member Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.). “No, I didn’t,” Nunes told Fox News’ Brett Baier, when asked if he saw the applications. The memo, released earlier in the day by the House Intelligence Committee, alleges that politically motivated material was used to petition the government for a warrant to surveil an American citizen. Nunes, the chairman of the committee, brushed off news reports that accused him of not seeing the underlying documents as “bogus.” He explained that the committee set up an agreement with the Justice Department that would allow just one person to review the documents. Complete article here: link
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Post by steff on Feb 2, 2018 21:58:28 GMT -5
Nunes: I did not read material summarized in the memoRep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) on Friday admitted that did not personally review the applications for surveillance warrants that provide the basis of the classified memo released earlier in the day. Nunes said he relied on the review of committee member Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.). “No, I didn’t,” Nunes told Fox News’ Brett Baier, when asked if he saw the applications. The memo, released earlier in the day by the House Intelligence Committee, alleges that politically motivated material was used to petition the government for a warrant to surveil an American citizen. Nunes, the chairman of the committee, brushed off news reports that accused him of not seeing the underlying documents as “bogus.” He explained that the committee set up an agreement with the Justice Department that would allow just one person to review the documents. Complete article here: link He's also pumping up another memo where he's investigating the State Dept. "don't look at today's memo, let's talk about the NEXT memo I'm working on". So much stupid.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 2, 2018 22:12:34 GMT -5
Nunes: I did not read material summarized in the memoRep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) on Friday admitted that did not personally review the applications for surveillance warrants that provide the basis of the classified memo released earlier in the day. Nunes said he relied on the review of committee member Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.). “No, I didn’t,” Nunes told Fox News’ Brett Baier, when asked if he saw the applications. The memo, released earlier in the day by the House Intelligence Committee, alleges that politically motivated material was used to petition the government for a warrant to surveil an American citizen. Nunes, the chairman of the committee, brushed off news reports that accused him of not seeing the underlying documents as “bogus.” He explained that the committee set up an agreement with the Justice Department that would allow just one person to review the documents. Complete article here: link He's also pumping up another memo where he's investigating the State Dept. "don't look at today's memo, let's talk about the NEXT memo I'm working on". So much stupid. It wouldn't surprise me if Nunes is spending the weekend at Mar-a-lago.
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 2, 2018 22:24:06 GMT -5
Would this be a problem?
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 2, 2018 22:52:18 GMT -5
I don't think you realize how bad this will be for the Democrats if Mueller doesn't find clear, overwhelming evidence of Trump being corrupt with the Russians. Because the warrant was issued as if Page himself was a spy they were able to look at the communications of anyone he had come in contact with during the period of warrants and in the past. By doing so they were able to spy on Trump when he was president. They got these warrants based on campaign research paid for by the DNC and sourced from Russians. Page has been charged with no crime. It's hard to believe that they wouldn't have charged him if they found something. The warrants on Page were used to spy on the Trump campaign and those names were unmasked by members of the Obama administration. Page was the pretext used to spy. The DNC, Fusion GPS and Hillary campaign spent months denying that the Clinton campaign was involved with this dossier. Have you ever stopped to wonder why they would deny it if it's so credible? clear will probably be a good enough standard to keep them out of trouble. Trump is not a loved individual, nor are his policies. they can always fall back on that, as long as they are not DAMAGED by this, which would only be the case if there is NOTHING to it (as many here claim).
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 2, 2018 22:53:50 GMT -5
I agree that it's been going on a lot longer than 2016, although the FISA stats for 2016 are interesting. The problem here is one political candidate using a system that's well known for abuses against another political candidate. Fusion GPS/Steele leaked stories to the press about the dossier and then the FBI used those leaked stories as corroboration for the dossier in their warrant application. The FBI used those stories even though they knew they had come from Steele. I think this memo is the opening salvo by the Republican side. There's the Senate Intelligence memo to come and the OIG report. The OIG report has already done a lot of damage and its not even out yet. This memo is showing how the dossier was used. I think the next one might show how it was created, if Grassley and Johnson's requests for information are any indication. The memo had a few interesting tidbits that raise a lot of questions. 1) the counterintelligence operation was started in July 2016 due to Papadopalous. 2) the FISA warrants on Carter Page went on for almost a year if I'm reading it right - Oct 2016-17. The initial application and three renewals at 90 day intervals. How did they get those renewals? 3) Given that the counterintelligence operation started in July and the Page warrant was October, who was the June FISA application for? 4) Bruce Ohr is cooperating with the investigation. His wife worked at Fusion GPS and helped with the research. Ohr has turned it all over to the investigation so they have a good idea of how much of the dossier was sourced by Fusion GPS vs. Christopher Steele. Steele started working on weeks after Ohr did and the first memo came out only five days after Steele started working on it. 5) The applications did not disclose to the court that the dossier was created for the DNC, that Steele had leaked stories to the press on it, and that the FBI ended their relationship with Steele over the press reports. what people need to understand is how unerringly easy it is to get granted a FISA warrant. something on the order of 99% are granted. getting them RE-APPROVED is even easier. i am sure the FBI will claim that it is because they are awesome, but i prefer to think it is a flaw in the court.
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Post by Opti on Feb 2, 2018 23:48:44 GMT -5
I don't think you realize how bad this will be for the Democrats if Mueller doesn't find clear, overwhelming evidence of Trump being corrupt with the Russians. Because the warrant was issued as if Page himself was a spy they were able to look at the communications of anyone he had come in contact with during the period of warrants and in the past. By doing so they were able to spy on Trump when he was president. They got these warrants based on campaign research paid for by the DNC and sourced from Russians. Page has been charged with no crime. It's hard to believe that they wouldn't have charged him if they found something. as The warrants on Page were used to spy on the Trump campaign and those names were unmasked by members of the Obama administration. Page was the pretext used to spy. The DNC, Fusion GPS and Hillary campaign spent months denying that the Clinton campaign was involved with this dossier. Have you ever stopped to wonder why they would deny it if it's so credible? I am confused by this post. Carter Page was basically issued a cease and desist letter by a Trump lawyer in Dec 2016. How in the heck then can spying on Carter Page be spying on Trump Jan. 20, 2017 and forward?
www.rawstory.com/2017/04/white-house-threatened-legal-action-against-ex-adviser-carter-page-if-he-didnt-stop-calling-himself-trump-adviser/ (There are other links like FOX for this story)
And I don't get why it has to be bad for the Democrats if Mueller doesn't find anything on Trump. Is it so hard for some people to remember this is about Russian interference? The goal wasn't Trump. However, given all Trump's interference in this, one has to wonder why? Why is this so threatening to Trump if he is clean?
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 3, 2018 0:35:57 GMT -5
The warrants for Page started in October 2016 and were renewed three times, twice after Trump became president. If Trump is clean it's bad for the Democrats because the Hillary campaign pushed the dossier hard and through sketchy, probably illegal ways and lied about it. The dossier was spread to the media and other branches of government. It will be forgiven if something against Trump is found. I also think it's a mistake to assume that Mueller's investigation will either turn up nothing or something against Trump. It's possible it will turn up bad acts by the Clinton campaign or the DNC. He has a broad mandate. It's interesting that Clapper is on record lying about FISA warrants. In short the RNC has been raising the stakes in every round. The next memo apparently will talk about other government departments and how they interacted with the dossier. Among his other problems, trump, while on AF One, has the problem of rewriting don jr.'s explanation of his 'dirt on Clinton' meeting with the Russians at trump tower to the adoption of Russian babies.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 3, 2018 10:18:08 GMT -5
That meeting is problematic for everyone. Glenn Simpson lied about the meeting. It's possible Veselnitskaya and the Trump participants did too. But Veselnitskaya needed special clearance to come to the US, which she got from the highest levels of Obama's administration. Numerous participants in the meeting had significant ties with Fusion GPS and Steele. There was a large overlap between Fusion GPS' Prevezon and Dossier activities. So it's not clear evidence of Trump/Russia criminal activity. Look!
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 3, 2018 12:18:02 GMT -5
yes, i see the problem with your hypothetical. but what we, in fact, know is that the Trump team DID have high level contact with Russians. we also know that the Russians interfered with our election, and did so exclusively (as far as we can tell) to the benefit of the GOP. we also know that two people lied to the FBI about this under oath. and of course, there is Manafort, who is so utterly dirty on all of this AND tied to Trump that it is impossible to look away, much in the manner of a car wreck. if there are spurious connections to the Clinton campaign, they are the least of my concerns. the guy with the big red button is the one that concerns me. but if the 40% want to go after Clinton, i have no objection to that. i didn't vote for her, and i have no love for her whatsoever. just don't use federal resources doing it. call up David Koch.
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Post by dondub on Feb 3, 2018 13:11:42 GMT -5
Can always ramp up the Mellon~Scaife-American Spectator attack dogs that went after Billy Boy.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 3, 2018 13:47:36 GMT -5
i would certainly have a plan B if i were them. but given that they thought the Memo was a silver bullet, one must wonder.
edit: i have to say that this episode shows a very poor understanding of FISA on their part. i guess i could excuse that better if it were not for the fact that they serve on the intelligence committee. all indications are that they are not very intelligent about their intelligence.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 3, 2018 14:01:01 GMT -5
i would certainly have a plan B if i were them. but given that they thought the Memo was a silver bullet, one must wonder. edit: i have to say that this episode shows a very poor understanding of FISA on their part. i guess i could excuse that better if it were not for the fact that they serve on the intelligence committee. all indications are that they are not very intelligent about their intelligence. They don't need a plan B. They will just keep saying the same unproven partisan conspiracies.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 3, 2018 14:02:39 GMT -5
that is not going to win them a lot of votes, unfortunately.
i meant a plan that actually gets them over the hump to a majority, and prevents the possibility of impeachment.
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Post by Opti on Feb 3, 2018 18:47:56 GMT -5
I find it interesting that people don't seem to realize the dossier is kompromat on Clinton herself. There's pretty compelling arguments for the idea that Steele was fed disinformation from Putin's government. Let's engage in a little thought experiment. Clinton wins the election amid rumors that the Russians and Trump were working together. Putin, knowing about the dossier and its role in the election, holds that knowledge over Clinton's head. Or, it somehow becomes public. After all there were rumors pretty early that the DNC had paid for the dossier. Then the sitting president won the election by using purchased Russian disinformation and feeding it to the media and investigatory agencies. Putin trots out Veselnitskaya, a known face for the regime, who says that Fusion GPS clearly set up Trump in the tower meeting. All they talked about was adoptions! It had to be arranged by some arandom music producer, proving that Trump didn't actually have high level Russian contacts. After all Veselnitskaya meets with Glenn Simpson before and after the meeting, brings other Fusion GPS materials/people with her to the meeting, and she sees Glenn Simpson quite a bit over her stay. And by the way she got a special visa approved by Loretta Lynch to come in the country. Do you see the problem? I think your thought experiment fails pretty early. In RL, the only Trump thing in the dossier that really got any play in the media and with comedians was the golden showers allegation. None of his base cared about Russia allegations and still don't seem to. The only thing that hurt Trump for awhile was the Billy Bush off camera audio. Even dissing that military family with the dead soldier had more impact on voters than this dossier. Look how the Republicans have mostly closed ranks on this.
And I don't get how you think your latest conspiracy theory makes any sense. Did Glenn Simpson reuse work product for various clients? It appears the answer is yes. Since he works for both parties it would be really odd for him to want to kill off possibly half of his income stream just to allegedly set Trump up. The mercenary researcher for hire as a DNC mastermind operative?
And you have to believe that the Russian lawyer is a pawn of Simpson and Lynch which seems pretty illogical. And then again, you have RL showing us that his base and the GOP would be perfectly OK with Trump buying intelligence on Clinton from the Russians. So if Clinton or the DNC wants to set up Trump, why do it on opposition research? Why not pick something his base and the GOP would actually be upset about, which appears to be almost nothing, but still wouldn't they pick something stronger that the GOP and his base wouldn't forgive immediately for? Given the only thing that worked against Trump was the Billy Bush audio tape, why would they even choose a gambit like this?
www.nytimes.com/2018/01/08/us/politics/fusion-gps-glenn-simpson.html
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 4, 2018 15:09:22 GMT -5
I find it interesting that people don't seem to realize the dossier is kompromat on Clinton herself. There's pretty compelling arguments for the idea that Steele was fed disinformation from Putin's government. Let's engage in a little thought experiment. Clinton wins the election amid rumors that the Russians and Trump were working together. Putin, knowing about the dossier and its role in the election, holds that knowledge over Clinton's head. Or, it somehow becomes public. After all there were rumors pretty early that the DNC had paid for the dossier. Then the sitting president won the election by using purchased Russian disinformation and feeding it to the media and investigatory agencies. There would have to be proof that Clinton knew it was disinformation. Campaigns hire firms to do investigations on their opponents all.the.time. Remember how many times Trump claimed he had some special, damning information about Hillary that he would be telling everyone soon? Even if it was shown everything in the dossier was fake stuff fed to Steele by the Russians, unless Clinton KNEW it was fake and used it anyway, it wouldn't be something the Russians could blackmail her over. Putin trots out Veselnitskaya, a known face for the regime, who says that Fusion GPS clearly set up Trump in the tower meeting. All they talked about was adoptions! It had to be arranged by some arandom music producer, proving that Trump didn't actually have high level Russian contacts. After all Veselnitskaya meets with Glenn Simpson before and after the meeting, brings other Fusion GPS materials/people with her to the meeting, and she sees Glenn Simpson quite a bit over her stay. And by the way she got a special visa approved by Loretta Lynch to come in the country. Didn't 'have to be arranged' by some random music producer. Trump had plenty of connections with Russians. Some random music producer stepped forward to arrange it, presumably because he knew the Russian lawyer. Do you see the problem? I'm 100% certain Putin arranged for this lawyer to do the meeting at Trump tower - but I think for a simpler reason - something to hold over Trump's head, if Trump got elected. And of course, if Trump Jr had reported the Russian attempt to set up a meeting to the FBI, instead of greedily going for it hook, line and sinker, none of this would have been an issue for Trump to begin with.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 5, 2018 11:38:17 GMT -5
The memo "alleges" nothing. It is a summary of the facts. This is vital to understand. "Now that we know what the declassified House memo says about government misconduct, we also know what it means: The Washington swamp — the deep state — is bigger, more vicious and more dangerous to American liberty than even a cynic could have imagined." ( link) As to the anti-truth spin concerning the memo-- here are each of the objections responded to- point and counterpoint: Memo Charge & Response: ( link) At this point, the matter is settled. I was right, my critics were wrong. It is now left for Democrats / liberals of good will to abandon the party line for patriotic principle. Anything less, and you're complicit. The purpose of the Patriot Act and Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) is to protect Americans from another 9/11 type terrorist attack. The purpose of these laws is to give our government the surveillance powers it needs to track terrorists. Instead, Team Obama was abusing the Patriot Act and the secret FISA Court (with secret warrants) to conduct TOTAL SURVEILLANCE of the Trump campaign and then the Trump transition after he was elected in an effort to destroy the GOP nominee for President and then the President-elect as he was trying to set up his administration. The purpose of the secret FISA Court is to make sure these national security TOTAL SURVEILLANCE tools are only used against foreign enemies of the United States (specifically terrorists) and are not used against American citizens. Team Obama was treating Trump as akin to al Qaeda or ISIS -- an enemy of the United States. They were using our national security surveillance apparatus to conduct opposition research for partisan political gain -- to target and destroy the Republican nominee for President and President-elect. They were attempting a coup d'tat. The evidence they used to secure the secret FISA Court order to conduct secret TOTAL SURVEILLANCE on candidate Trump and then President-elect Trump would not have worked in a normal criminal court against an average U.S. citizen because this evidence (the bogus Steele dossier and a Yahoo article based on the dossier) was so laughably flimsy. Team Obama are the ones who conducted a TOTAL ASSAULT on our democracy and Constitutional system. They need to be tried for treason.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 5, 2018 11:44:02 GMT -5
I find it interesting that people don't seem to realize the dossier is kompromat on Clinton herself. There's pretty compelling arguments for the idea that Steele was fed disinformation from Putin's government. Let's engage in a little thought experiment. Clinton wins the election amid rumors that the Russians and Trump were working together. Putin, knowing about the dossier and its role in the election, holds that knowledge over Clinton's head. Or, it somehow becomes public. After all there were rumors pretty early that the DNC had paid for the dossier. Then the sitting president won the election by using purchased Russian disinformation and feeding it to the media and investigatory agencies. Putin trots out Veselnitskaya, a known face for the regime, who says that Fusion GPS clearly set up Trump in the tower meeting. All they talked about was adoptions! It had to be arranged by some arandom music producer, proving that Trump didn't actually have high level Russian contacts. After all Veselnitskaya meets with Glenn Simpson before and after the meeting, brings other Fusion GPS materials/people with her to the meeting, and she sees Glenn Simpson quite a bit over her stay. And by the way she got a special visa approved by Loretta Lynch to come in the country. Do you see the problem? It's pretty clear to me that if Clinton won- we'd never know about any of this. America would have been OVER. Hillary and her fellow travelers would have completed those few steps necessarily to bring their global socialist vision to pass-- collapsing the United States, and folding it into the glorious new world order-- the US would have become, under Clinton, just another tyrannical regime built by and for global elites on the backs of slaves. The bitch needs to hang from a noose as she predicted. One of the few times she said anything truthful.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 5, 2018 11:51:15 GMT -5
The memo "alleges" nothing. It is a summary of the facts. This is vital to understand. "Now that we know what the declassified House memo says about government misconduct, we also know what it means: The Washington swamp — the deep state — is bigger, more vicious and more dangerous to American liberty than even a cynic could have imagined." ( link) As to the anti-truth spin concerning the memo-- here are each of the objections responded to- point and counterpoint: Memo Charge & Response: ( link) At this point, the matter is settled. I was right, my critics were wrong. It is now left for Democrats / liberals of good will to abandon the party line for patriotic principle. Anything less, and you're complicit. The purpose of the Patriot Act and Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) is to protect Americans from another 9/11 type terrorist attack. The purpose of these laws is to give our government the surveillance powers it needs to track terrorists. Instead, Team Obama was abusing the Patriot Act and the secret FISA Court (with secret warrants) to conduct TOTAL SURVEILLANCE of the Trump campaign and then the Trump transition after he was elected in an effort to destroy the GOP nominee for President and then the President-elect as he was trying to set up his administration. The purpose of the secret FISA Court is to make sure these national security TOTAL SURVEILLANCE tools are only used against foreign enemies of the United States (specifically terrorists) and are not used against American citizens. Team Obama was treating Trump as akin to al Qaeda or ISIS -- an enemy of the United States. They were using our national security surveillance apparatus to conduct opposition research for partisan political gain -- to target and destroy the Republican nominee for President and President-elect. They were attempting a coup d'tat. The evidence they used to secure the secret FISA Court order to conduct secret TOTAL SURVEILLANCE on candidate Trump and then President-elect Trump would not have worked in a normal criminal court against an average U.S. citizen because this evidence (the bogus Steele dossier and a Yahoo article based on the dossier) was so laughably flimsy. Team Obama are the ones who conducted a TOTAL ASSAULT on our democracy and Constitutional system. They need to be tried for treason. And the curve ball misses outside and in the dirt.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 12:07:10 GMT -5
Oh goody, more gaslighting. I'm right and tell me why you aren't a moron? Lord....
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Post by Opti on Feb 5, 2018 12:20:23 GMT -5
I find it interesting that people don't seem to realize the dossier is kompromat on Clinton herself. There's pretty compelling arguments for the idea that Steele was fed disinformation from Putin's government. Let's engage in a little thought experiment. Clinton wins the election amid rumors that the Russians and Trump were working together. Putin, knowing about the dossier and its role in the election, holds that knowledge over Clinton's head. Or, it somehow becomes public. After all there were rumors pretty early that the DNC had paid for the dossier. Then the sitting president won the election by using purchased Russian disinformation and feeding it to the media and investigatory agencies. Putin trots out Veselnitskaya, a known face for the regime, who says that Fusion GPS clearly set up Trump in the tower meeting. All they talked about was adoptions! It had to be arranged by some arandom music producer, proving that Trump didn't actually have high level Russian contacts. After all Veselnitskaya meets with Glenn Simpson before and after the meeting, brings other Fusion GPS materials/people with her to the meeting, and she sees Glenn Simpson quite a bit over her stay. And by the way she got a special visa approved by Loretta Lynch to come in the country. Do you see the problem? It's pretty clear to me that if Clinton won- we'd never know about any of this. America would have been OVER. Hillary and her fellow travelers would have completed those few steps necessarily to bring their global socialist vision to pass-- collapsing the United States, and folding it into the glorious new world order-- the US would have become, under Clinton, just another tyrannical regime built by and for global elites on the backs of slaves. The bitch needs to hang from a noose as she predicted. One of the few times she said anything truthful. I think you have your regimes mixed up. The oppressive regime is Trump's and the GOPs. As noted earlier, the FISA warrant was renewed twice when Trump was President and the GOP was in power. I don't know why a diverse accepting USA is so threatening to some, but a USA built on allegiance to money and the rich is a usual sign of a bad government.
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Post by dondub on Feb 5, 2018 12:22:16 GMT -5
The bitch needs to hang from a noose
If TEAM OBAMA was in charge doesn't the Black guy need to be lynched too?
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Post by Opti on Feb 5, 2018 12:31:36 GMT -5
The memo "alleges" nothing. It is a summary of the facts. This is vital to understand. "Now that we know what the declassified House memo says about government misconduct, we also know what it means: The Washington swamp — the deep state — is bigger, more vicious and more dangerous to American liberty than even a cynic could have imagined." ( link) As to the anti-truth spin concerning the memo-- here are each of the objections responded to- point and counterpoint: Memo Charge & Response: ( link) At this point, the matter is settled. I was right, my critics were wrong. It is now left for Democrats / liberals of good will to abandon the party line for patriotic principle. Anything less, and you're complicit. The purpose of the Patriot Act and Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) is to protect Americans from another 9/11 type terrorist attack. The purpose of these laws is to give our government the surveillance powers it needs to track terrorists. Instead, Team Obama was abusing the Patriot Act and the secret FISA Court (with secret warrants) to conduct TOTAL SURVEILLANCE of the Trump campaign and then the Trump transition after he was elected in an effort to destroy the GOP nominee for President and then the President-elect as he was trying to set up his administration. The purpose of the secret FISA Court is to make sure these national security TOTAL SURVEILLANCE tools are only used against foreign enemies of the United States (specifically terrorists) and are not used against American citizens. Team Obama was treating Trump as akin to al Qaeda or ISIS -- an enemy of the United States. They were using our national security surveillance apparatus to conduct opposition research for partisan political gain -- to target and destroy the Republican nominee for President and President-elect. They were attempting a coup d'tat. The evidence they used to secure the secret FISA Court order to conduct secret TOTAL SURVEILLANCE on candidate Trump and then President-elect Trump would not have worked in a normal criminal court against an average U.S. citizen because this evidence (the bogus Steele dossier and a Yahoo article based on the dossier) was so laughably flimsy. Team Obama are the ones who conducted a TOTAL ASSAULT on our democracy and Constitutional system. They need to be tried for treason. Interesting fiction, if you are into conspiracy fiction. But as an attempt at truth it fails so many ways I really don't want to count them. Its funny this post and others try to link Obama to all of this with no proof whatsoever. There still remains no proof that Trump was directly spied on and that any campaign info obtained from spying on Manafort leaked from the FBI to anyone outside the organization. You have to hate facts to ignore the obvious. Obama didn't even bring up Russia in the end of the campaign in spite of the FBI re-opening the email investigation in case they found new emails on Weiner's laptop.
The only coup I see being attempted is by the GOP, Trump and its various apologists. They want to lie to make themselves seem like victims because apparently it makes their base all happy and loyal. This crap is an assault on democracy and reason. And as totally believable as the Muslim takeover of the WH that did not happen. Obama declaring himself President for another term if he wasn't elected. I think that story was used for both the 2012 election and the 2016. Is this what part of the right has become? Untrue fear-mongering story tellers because they hate democracy and diversity?
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Post by tallguy on Feb 5, 2018 13:37:53 GMT -5
Interesting fiction, if you are into conspiracy fiction. But as an attempt at truth it fails so many ways I really don't want to count them. Its funny this post and others try to link Obama to all of this with no proof whatsoever. There still remains no proof that Trump was directly spied on and that any campaign info obtained from spying on Manafort leaked from the FBI to anyone outside the organization. You have to hate facts to ignore the obvious. Obama didn't even bring up Russia in the end of the campaign in spite of the FBI re-opening the email investigation in case they found new emails on Weiner's laptop.
The only coup I see being attempted is by the GOP, Trump and its various apologists. They want to lie to make themselves seem like victims because apparently it makes their base all happy and loyal. This crap is an assault on democracy and reason. And as totally believable as the Muslim takeover of the WH that did not happen. Obama declaring himself President for another term if he wasn't elected. I think that story was used for both the 2012 election and the 2016. Is this what part of the right has become? Untrue fear-mongering story tellers because they hate democracy and diversity?
Yes. Was there much doubt?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 5, 2018 14:13:11 GMT -5
Now, we're learning that Hillary's people actually wrote the dossier.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 5, 2018 14:14:38 GMT -5
The bitch needs to hang from a noose
If TEAM OBAMA was in charge doesn't the Black guy need to be lynched too? I'm not supportive of vigilantism - or lynching of anyone. However, yes. If he's a traitor- the Rosenbergs were executed for less than the Iran deal alone.
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