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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 5, 2018 14:21:13 GMT -5
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Post by Opti on Feb 5, 2018 14:26:34 GMT -5
The bitch needs to hang from a noose
If TEAM OBAMA was in charge doesn't the Black guy need to be lynched too? I'm not supportive of vigilantism - or lynching of anyone. However, yes. If he's a traitor- the Rosenbergs were executed for less than the Iran deal alone. <--- I need an emoticon with eyebrows floating above my head. There are very few posters that regularly call for violence to be visited on someone or a group of people. Why repeatedly call for violence if you are against it?
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Post by dondub on Feb 5, 2018 14:26:42 GMT -5
If you can call Obama the "leader of the deep state coup" and claim he is the leader of "TEAM OBAMA" and can say "the bitch needs to hang from a noose", what's you problem with a lynching of Obama? Using your own words it's apparent he is guilty of treason and it would not be an act of vigilantism. Buck up rope boy.
the Rosenbergs were executed for less than the Iran deal alone.
Not really. But does this mean you would also hang the leaders of the other 5 countries that signed the treaty? Should all US companies that were then able to do business in Iran be charged with treason too?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 5, 2018 14:27:33 GMT -5
And if that doesn't make the hair on the back of your neck stand up, you're part of the problem. I remember when the left was the voice crying in the wilderness about secrecy and the potential for abuse of the intelligence apparatus of the state. I remember when ALL of the intellectual firepower on the importance of privacy was on the left-- it was the main area I AGREED with the left. I remember when the left was publishing The Pentagon Papers and declaring their willingness to go to prison to expose the use of the cover of "national security" to keep abuse of power from the public. I remember when Julian Assange was a hero of the left.
And if I was on the left-- (assuming I wasn't neck deep in this shit), my political play would be to throw the DNC, Obama, and Hillary under flaming gas truck and declare to the right: SEE, WE TOLD YOU SO! on the national security state apparatus and its obvious potential for abuse of power and invasion of privacy.
This stuff makes the Jason Bourne movies look like child's play.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 5, 2018 14:28:36 GMT -5
If you can call Obama the "leader of the deep state coup" and claim he is the leader of "TEAM OBAMA" and can say "the bitch needs to hang from a noose", what's you problem with a lynching of Obama? Using your own words it's apparent he is guilty of treason and it would not be an act of vigilantism. Buck up rope boy. I have no problem with the death penalty for Obama if tried and convicted of treason. Your disconnect seems to be with the definition of "lynching". I'm not for "lynching" anyone.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 5, 2018 14:33:08 GMT -5
I think those of you on the left are not considering that the alternative to destroying a weaponized partisan criminal justice and national security apparatus is stacking it with OUR people and using it against YOURS. If that's what you want- just keep spinning.
The fact is that we need to CLEAN THIS SHIT UP NOW.
We need to install permanent, transparent oversight of the FISC.
It's astonishing that there have only been 13 denials of a request for surveillance in 33 years (one of which was a pre-Clinton-authored dossier request to spy on the Trump campaign).
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Post by dondub on Feb 5, 2018 14:33:24 GMT -5
This comment..."The bitch needs to hang from a noose" indicates a lack of veracity in that last post. There has been no indictment, no conviction. Just you and "The bitch needs to hang from a noose."
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 5, 2018 14:39:30 GMT -5
This comment..."The bitch needs to hang from a noose" indicates a lack of veracity in that last post. There has been no indictment, no conviction. Just you and "The bitch needs to hang from a noose." Ohhhh, I see. You misunderstood that it was HER statement. Not mine. She said, "If that fucking bastard wins, we'll all hang from nooses" in an email sent to Donna Brazille following the debate where Matt Lauer asked her an unauthorized / non-Clinton / DNC cleared question about her illegal email server which she kept in order to conceal her pay-to-play State Department / Clinton Foundation activities.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 5, 2018 14:40:55 GMT -5
If you can call Obama the "leader of the deep state coup" and claim he is the leader of "TEAM OBAMA" and can say "the bitch needs to hang from a noose", what's you problem with a lynching of Obama? Using your own words it's apparent he is guilty of treason and it would not be an act of vigilantism. Buck up rope boy.
the Rosenbergs were executed for less than the Iran deal alone.
Not really. But does this mean you would also hang the leaders of the other 5 countries that signed the treaty? Should all US companies that were then able to do business in Iran be charged with treason too? Other sovereign nations may opt to agree to anything they want. People that collude with Russians to mess with our elections should be tried and put to death. Right now- that's Obama, Hillary, and top officials at the FBI, and DOJ.
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Post by Opti on Feb 5, 2018 15:21:51 GMT -5
This comment..."The bitch needs to hang from a noose" indicates a lack of veracity in that last post. There has been no indictment, no conviction. Just you and "The bitch needs to hang from a noose." Ohhhh, I see. You misunderstood that it was HER statement. Not mine. She said, "If that fucking bastard wins, we'll all hang from nooses" in an email sent to Donna Brazille following the debate where Matt Lauer asked her an unauthorized / non-Clinton / DNC cleared question about her illegal email server which she kept in order to conceal her pay-to-play State Department / Clinton Foundation activities. Wow this explains much.
That alleged quote appears to be from one of the many Hillary is crazy stories that were pushed through the RW media sphere with regularity. Except for snopes which really doesn't address it, I'm finding it on several pages of RW blogs and similar. One even had Trump acting like a true gentleman, which pretty much doesn't happen so its obvious a pro Trump hit piece. As is the sentence which has little to do with the fake quote, not even being in the same tense.
Oh and the websites I read all said this happened on set by Matt Lauer. Its really sad and pathetic that some on the right so want to believe Hillary would scream and be crazy on a set. She's spent years being thwarted in politics and recently in foreign countries as Sec of State. She has years of being in control. Yet part of the right loves the narrative a crazy Hillary and will push that narrative when they get a chance. It is almost insane to believe someone who regularly measures her words and hesitates would act like that or say anything like that. She's precise.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 5, 2018 15:28:17 GMT -5
I think those of you on the left are not considering that the alternative to destroying a weaponized partisan criminal justice and national security apparatus is stacking it with OUR people and using it against YOURS. If that's what you want- just keep spinning. The fact is that we need to CLEAN THIS SHIT UP NOW. We need to install permanent, transparent oversight of the FISC. It's astonishing that there have only been 13 denials of a request for surveillance in 33 years (one of which was a pre-Clinton-authored dossier request to spy on the Trump campaign). The Republican dominated congress just passed a reauthorization of the FISA act without any of the suggested changes to improve privacy protections.
January 2018.
So you can shut up about OUR people and YOUR people - YOUR people just reauthorized it.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 5, 2018 15:58:58 GMT -5
Wasn't Trump's source for investigating Hillary a Breitbart article?
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 5, 2018 17:04:08 GMT -5
The FISA statute they approved was not the one used on Carter Page. I still think they timed it deliberately. The FISA reauthorization act was amending the original Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978. I don't know of any other FISA statute.
www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/4478/text
If the FISA Intelligence Surveillance Act was not used on Carter Page, did they use some parallel dark hat /black hole super secret spy FISA Act that none of the rest of us know about?
This tale just gets more convoluted by the moment.
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Post by mroped on Feb 5, 2018 17:09:27 GMT -5
And them treasonous Democrats again! Dont they know that is treasonous not to stand up and applaud when Donald Trump is speaking? That is preposterous!
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 5, 2018 17:21:42 GMT -5
Ohhhh, I see. You misunderstood that it was HER statement. Not mine. She said, "If that fucking bastard wins, we'll all hang from nooses" in an email sent to Donna Brazille following the debate where Matt Lauer asked her an unauthorized / non-Clinton / DNC cleared question about her illegal email server which she kept in order to conceal her pay-to-play State Department / Clinton Foundation activities. Wow this explains much.
That alleged quote appears to be from one of the many Hillary is crazy stories that were pushed through the RW media sphere with regularity. Except for snopes which really doesn't address it, I'm finding it on several pages of RW blogs and similar. One even had Trump acting like a true gentleman, which pretty much doesn't happen so its obvious a pro Trump hit piece. As is the sentence which has little to do with the fake quote, not even being in the same tense.
Oh and the websites I read all said this happened on set by Matt Lauer. Its really sad and pathetic that some on the right so want to believe Hillary would scream and be crazy on a set. She's spent years being thwarted in politics and recently in foreign countries as Sec of State. She has years of being in control. Yet part of the right loves the narrative a crazy Hillary and will push that narrative when they get a chance. It is almost insane to believe someone who regularly measures her words and hesitates would act like that or say anything like that. She's precise.
The Secret Service has been fairly outspoken about the ill-tempered Hillary Clinton. Screaming, yelling, and throwing ashtrays goes back to the 1990's. If you've ever known an angry person- you see Hillary coming a mile away. And by the way- that quote wasn't a story. It was one of her leaked emails.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 5, 2018 17:22:43 GMT -5
That is actually pretty funny.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 5, 2018 17:43:17 GMT -5
The FISA reauthorization act was amending the original Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978. I don't know of any other FISA statute.
www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/4478/text
If the FISA Intelligence Surveillance Act was not used on Carter Page, did they use some parallel dark hat /black hole super secret spy FISA Act that none of the rest of us know about?
This tale just gets more convoluted by the moment.
They reauthorized section 702, not title one, which covered Page. If you want more convoluted though it turns out that Steele worked for the State Department through Fusion GPS. He wrote over a 100 reports. And John Kerry had a report of the dossier when he worked at the State Department and gave it to the FBI. And then a friend of Clinton's have a report to the State Department, which gave it to Steele to give to the FBI. There's growing evidence of a push by the Clinton Campaign to spread the dossier and get an investigation by using the State Department, the media, and Steele. It's interesting that Isikoff said Glenn Simpson was at his meeting with Steele over the weekend. It's the first time Isikoff has acknowledged he knew the information he was getting was from Fusion GPS, according to Nunes. Weirdly enough the FBI apparently never disclosed they had fired Steele to the FISA court. And really weirdly even though Papadopoulos was supposed to be the impetus for a counterintelligence operation they never got a FISA warrant on him and didn't interview him until after the election. Were they incompetent or didn't really think he was important? Well, that's what Fusion GPS did, didn't it? Anyone who wanted something investigated could hire them - Mitt Romney did, as did other members of the GOP. And Steele was a subcontractor for Fusion - so it's not surprising, if the State Department needed extra info on something, they would hire a research firm like Fusion and Fusion would subcontract with a vendor that had a good record at investigating. I hadn't heard that anyone was unhappy with Steele's work product, only that he has a perceived anti-Trump bias.
I heard someone from the State department talking over the weekend about how someone sent them a copy of the dossier, which they turned around and gave to the FBI. Again, I'm having trouble finding evil intent in this - as the woman from the State Department said, they took one look at it and knew it was out of their ball park, so they immediately sent it over to the government department that investigates such things. I guess the alternative would have been for them to burn it, but wouldn't that look even more suspicious, for the opposite reasons? I think turning it over to the FBI was the best thing that could be done, actually.
I'm not sure why they didn't get a warrant on Papadopoulos. Maybe they thought he was too small a fish. I think Page's mistake was, when they pulled him in for questioning about his Russia trip in 2013, he smarted off to them about how they should be spending their time looking for the Boston bombers rather than waste his time. It's kind of like when a cop pulls you over for speeding, it's best to be polite. Smart ass answers tend to get answered with tickets. In this case, maybe he pissed off the FBI enough they decided to extra-investigate him.
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Post by NastyWoman on Feb 5, 2018 18:20:42 GMT -5
You are right that the memo "alleges nothing" But given that Nunes has (a) admitted to not reading the source document and (b) making "minor" according to him edits to the final document, I believe that it is important to understand that this so-called memo is a cherry-picked write up of the cliff notes of the cliff notes of the original dossier. And it is VERY important for you to try and understand that!
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Feb 5, 2018 19:12:47 GMT -5
You mean on this topic, or in general? Because I don't know if you're representative of Trump supporters, but your accuracy rate is really taking a hit lately. Moore lost and HRC lives, seemingly Parkinson's-free. Because of the Moore election? A political prediction has zero to do with "accuracy". Really? Speak for your self.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Feb 5, 2018 19:17:07 GMT -5
You are right that the memo "alleges nothing" But given that Nunes has (a) admitted to not reading the source document and (b) making "minor" according to him edits to the final document, I believe that it is important to understand that this so-called memo is a cherry-picked write up of the cliff notes of the cliff notes of the original dossier. And it is VERY important for you to try and understand that! I'd argue on the importance of the poster understanding that. People have shown how dumbed down they wanted it. How can anyone impact such willful ignorance?
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 5, 2018 20:13:51 GMT -5
If you can call Obama the "leader of the deep state coup" and claim he is the leader of "TEAM OBAMA" and can say "the bitch needs to hang from a noose", what's you problem with a lynching of Obama? Using your own words it's apparent he is guilty of treason and it would not be an act of vigilantism. Buck up rope boy.
the Rosenbergs were executed for less than the Iran deal alone.
Not really. But does this mean you would also hang the leaders of the other 5 countries that signed the treaty? Should all US companies that were then able to do business in Iran be charged with treason too? Other sovereign nations may opt to agree to anything they want. People that collude with Russians to mess with our elections should be tried and put to death. Right now- that's Obama, Hillary, and top officials at the FBI, and DOJ. Wait - I thought they illegally spied on the opponent and used illegal methods to gain access to government resources to do the spying. What did they do with the Russians?
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 5, 2018 20:20:18 GMT -5
You are right that the memo "alleges nothing" But given that Nunes has (a) admitted to not reading the source document and (b) making "minor" according to him edits to the final document, I believe that it is important to understand that this so-called memo is a cherry-picked write up of the cliff notes of the cliff notes of the original dossier. And it is VERY important for you to try and understand that! That pretty much describes my education process on all things political. I skim what you guys say, read a few headlines, listen to a few political commentators from various sources and then synthesize it into a lame opinion. Maybe I should write some earth shattering memos.
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Post by tallguy on Feb 5, 2018 20:23:37 GMT -5
They would probably end up better than Fake Nunes.
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Post by NastyWoman on Feb 5, 2018 20:26:37 GMT -5
You are right that the memo "alleges nothing" But given that Nunes has (a) admitted to not reading the source document and (b) making "minor" according to him edits to the final document, I believe that it is important to understand that this so-called memo is a cherry-picked write up of the cliff notes of the cliff notes of the original dossier. And it is VERY important for you to try and understand that! That pretty much describes my education process on all things political. I skim what you guys say, read a few headlines, listen to a few political commentators from various sources and then synthesize it into a lame opinion. Maybe I should write some earth shattering memos. Only if your conclusion is that it proves someone guilty/innocent. And unless it is dt and the latter it is just a hack job and treasonous.
I don't get why there was a Nunes memo at all. If they used a very good Repub. lawyer to read the dossier why not have him write the memo? Or are we to believe this very good repub lawyer is illiterate and therefore incapable of writing a memo?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 5, 2018 20:39:40 GMT -5
Other sovereign nations may opt to agree to anything they want. People that collude with Russians to mess with our elections should be tried and put to death. Right now- that's Obama, Hillary, and top officials at the FBI, and DOJ. Wait - I thought they illegally spied on the opponent and used illegal methods to gain access to government resources to do the spying. What did they do with the Russians? Hillary's campaign colluded with a former British spy trained essentially in election meddling. They gave money to him, he in turn paid agents of the Russian government for "dirt". This "unverified salacious information" (James Comey's words under oath not mine) was then purchased by the FBI so as to dress it up like an "intelligence" document instead of merely unverified partisan bought and paid for unverified opposition research. Hence Hillary Clinton colluded with agents of a foreign government to influence our elections. President Trump: “We Caught ‘Em! “Did we catch them in the act or what? You know what I’m talking about. Oh did we catch them in the act! They are very embarrassed. They never thought they were going to be caught. We caught ’em… It’s so much fun. We’re like the great sleuth.”
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 5, 2018 20:43:52 GMT -5
That pretty much describes my education process on all things political. I skim what you guys say, read a few headlines, listen to a few political commentators from various sources and then synthesize it into a lame opinion. Maybe I should write some earth shattering memos. Gowdy went into a secure facility to read the source documents. Schiff is very misleading on this topic. Not that I expect much better from a guy who got busted leaking during testimony. FTA: The Democrats on the Intelligence committee seem eager to release their own memo so perhaps we’ll learn more, but based on today’s release it appears either that the Obama administration engaged in historic abuse or that the FISA court cannot be trusted to protect our liberties, or perhaps both. Readers concerned about the government’s surveillance authority may be interested to know about one current member of the Intelligence committee who began focusing on this issue all the way back in the George W. Bush administration.
In March of 2007, he announced that he was “deeply troubled” by what he called “abuses of authority” by the FBI in acquiring personal information on U.S. citizens. Over the years, he urged various restrictions on the ability of the executive branch to get information on Americans’ phone calls. In order “to protect privacy and increase transparency” he sought in various ways to reform the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court—the very court that approved the electronic surveillance of a Trump associate for reasons that are still not entirely clear. Way ahead of the news, this particular lawmaker specifically introduced the “Ending Secret Law Act” which according to a press release from his office, “would require the Attorney General to declassify significant Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) opinions, allowing Americans to know how the Court has interpreted” its legal authorities. This lawmaker said that his legislation “will help ensure we have true checks and balances when it comes to the judges who are given the responsibility of overseeing our most sensitive intelligence gathering and national security programs.” His name is Adam Schiff, and he is now the ranking member on House Intelligence. But oddly he doesn’t seem to want to take credit for his early concern for civil liberties. www.wsj.com/ar…/obama-and-the-fisa-court-1517608555…
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 5, 2018 20:45:05 GMT -5
In other news, the WaPo revised their slogan: "Democracy dies if some things aren't kept in darkness"
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 5, 2018 20:54:47 GMT -5
You are right that the memo "alleges nothing" But given that Nunes has (a) admitted to not reading the source document and (b) making "minor" according to him edits to the final document, I believe that it is important to understand that this so-called memo is a cherry-picked write up of the cliff notes of the cliff notes of the original dossier. And it is VERY important for you to try and understand that! I'd argue on the importance of the poster understanding that. People have shown how dumbed down they wanted it. How can anyone impact such willful ignorance? Democrats have become pretzel people on the memo-- releasing it will damage national security, but it's a nothingburger, and it's full of inaccuracies, but we can't tell you what's inaccurate about it and it's been since Friday-- and not one thing has been disputed. THAT is all I care about. They want to argue it-- argue it. So far it has been all smoke and mirrors.
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