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Post by Lizard Queen on Jan 23, 2018 13:33:11 GMT -5
That is not that surprising, considering the national bowling stadium is just around the corner, and many people from around the country stay there, or next door and walk through, for nationals. Random vacations for both, not related to bowling at all on either side. So yeah, a little more surprising. Oh God, after going there with my DH for Nationals, I'd never choose to go there for a vacation. I'm not much of a gambler, though.
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Post by dondub on Jan 23, 2018 13:34:01 GMT -5
Still well shy of the Iran~Contra scandal where Reagan's criminal cabal yielded the highest number of convictions of any administration in history. During that "mess", the government really was the problem.
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Post by Opti on Jan 23, 2018 13:56:10 GMT -5
Glass house you say?
How many times have I written anything like this?
They should hope for prison. This is military tribunal and firing squad material.
Based on text message that reads like a joke from one lover to another.
Well, the text message about a meeting. So, there's a meeting. And the meeting which took place after the election-- and after another text message which indicated they needed an "insurance policy" just in case Trump won the election. This mess makes Watergate look like a walk in the park. To me it looks like much ado about nothing unless someone finds something they actually did that harmed Trump or any political official in a criminal way.
It doesn't look like Watergate at all. More like Pizza-gate. A narrative based on just snippets of a couple of messages. Where is the break in equivalent for this? Where is the actual provable criminal behavior?
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Post by happyhoix on Jan 23, 2018 13:56:42 GMT -5
I posted about this email in another thread.
Girlfriend and boyfriend FBI agents are texting and one tells the other one 'maybe this is the start of our secret society.'
Just consider if you would like the FBI to investigate everything you ever posted on line and then pull parts of your message out and advertise them to the world as proof that you want to murder all non-GOP Americans?
Only the most hard core conspiracy wing nut thinks this is actually about a real FBI secret society.
However, please don't let me interrupt your 'bombshell' happy dance.
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Post by Opti on Jan 23, 2018 14:03:11 GMT -5
"Delusional" is one of the words that we are allowed, right? I sure hope so.
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Post by mmhmm on Jan 23, 2018 14:04:01 GMT -5
And another coincidence....first hubby & I were playing cards with a couple we had become friends with down here in Ga.....only to later find out that she & I graduated from the same high school in Decatur, Ill. 9 yrs. apart. Had many of the same teachers over the years. Had one like that, too. Hubs and I were shopping in Al Khobar, Saudi Arabia for a gift for my mother. Spotted my secretary there with her husband. When we approached so I could say "Hello", my husband blurted out (to her husband): "What would you say if I said "Jaspers"? Turns out they went to college together in New York. Coincidences may not be common but they aren't all that rare, either.
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 23, 2018 14:14:43 GMT -5
Extreme, but necessary, Billis. Extreme... but necessary. If it's done right, casualties won't exceed the low five digits. It's perfectly within US law, ... U.S. Supreme Court: Ex Parte Milligan 71 U.S. 2 (4 Wall.) (1866) ... In every war, there are men of previously good character wicked enough to counsel their fellow-citizens to resist the measures deemed necessary by a good government to sustain its just authority and overthrow its enemies, and their influence may lead to dangerous combinations. In the emergency of the times, an immediate public investigation according to law may not be possible, and yet the period to the country may be too imminent to suffer such persons to go at large. Unquestionably, there is then an exigency which demands that the government, if it should see fit in the exercise of a proper discretion to make arrests, should not be required to produce the persons arrested {126} in answer to a writ of habeas corpus. The Constitution goes no further. It does not say, after a writ of habeas corpus is denied a citizen, that he shall be tried otherwise than by the course of the common law; if it had intended this result, it was easy, by the use of direct words, to have accomplished it. The illustrious men who framed that instrument were guarding the foundations of civil liberty against the abuses of unlimited power; they were full of wisdom, and the lessons of history informed them that a trial by an established court, assisted by an impartial jury, was the only sure way of protecting the citizen against oppression and wrong. www.constitution.org/ussc/071-002a.htm Yes, "wicked enough" is well offered by Justice Davis.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 23, 2018 14:40:30 GMT -5
Mark MY words: high level operators in the FBI and DOJ are going to go to prison. GUARANTEED. hoookay, Mittmentum.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 23, 2018 14:52:43 GMT -5
That's a mighty large glass house you're living in, Opti. There's more evidence to support this anti-Trump conspiracy than supports the "Russian 100K Facebook campaign may have meaningfully swayed the election" narrative, which you defended as a realistic possibility. Likewise, unless and until the Mueller investigation comes back with something damning, there's more evidence to support this anti-Trump conspiracy than supports the idea that Pres. Trump's team had anything to do with the DNC hack, the Facebook ads, or whatever else the nebulous "collusion" charges have referred to over the past year. On this count, you've been outspoken in your faith that Mr. Mueller will uncover something nefarious. Hence if the present conjecture is "pushing bullshit to this level without real proof of wrong doing", what does that make your conjecture about the Russian Facebook campaign and the Mueller probe? "Super duper bullshit without real proof of wrongdoing?" Let's both work at being more respectful in expressing our skepticism, eh? Glass house you say?
How many times have I written anything like this?
They should hope for prison. This is military tribunal and firing squad material.
Based on text message that reads like a joke from one lover to another. This isn't what you were criticizing. Plus, if you meant to criticize Paul's zeal, Billis did a better job of it in one sentence.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 23, 2018 15:11:05 GMT -5
Mark MY words: high level operators in the FBI and DOJ are going to go to prison. GUARANTEED. hoookay, Mittmentum. Let me put it this way, if the Federal Bureau of Investigation or Special Counsel Muller thinks it's to their credit that they claim they had no clue the chief counterintelligence FBI guy was having an affair with an associate and clogging up cell towers with scores of thousands of tweets and they had no clue they were both on a vendetta to get Trump then they're even stupider than they seem, which is quite an achievement. We're told constantly, even by the execrable Sally Yates, that the slightest moral discrepancy makes one a candidate for blackmail, but nobody was watching the one guy who foreign powers would most want to blackmail, our chief counter-intel guy? Horse shit. This wasn't a simple extra-marital affair between a couple of agents suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome. They weren't fired "upon discovery". This was a conspiracy- a cult within the FBI that felt they had the moral high ground and were justified to, by any means necessary, obstruct or remove Trump from office. Now, you've got them discussing how to remove / delete text messages? I think the time has come to seize computers at the FBI, and quarantine agents for questioning. We are witness to the worst abuse of power in our history.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 23, 2018 15:12:41 GMT -5
They didn't "lose" text messages. This is obstruction of justice. The criminal activity just keeps piling up.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 23, 2018 15:14:37 GMT -5
Extreme, but necessary, Billis. Extreme... but necessary. If it's done right, casualties won't exceed the low five digits. It's perfectly within US law, and within international law to try traitors outside the civilian criminal justice system via military tribunal-- and yes, we still have (though we haven't used in some time that I'm aware of) firing squads. We have a coup within our government led by a former POTUS, a former Presidential candidate, and agents at the highest levels of the federal government-- in pursuit of their aims, they defrauded a FISA court judge (unless the judge was in on it?) using fabricated evidence with the aim of removing from office, the duly elected President Of The United States. If you can't execute people for this level of treason, then our country is lost. These people all represent a clear and present danger to the national security of the United States and they must be dealt with or it's going to be battle of the deep state in perpetuity. The time to nip this shit in the bud and send the strongest possible message to others who might imagine a similar plot is right now. Notwithstanding Billis' citation of case law, which appears on its face to quash the prospect of a military tribunal, why wouldn't you want the conspirators tried in civilian courts? Can you imagine what would happen if Pres. Obama ordered military police to take the alleged conspirators into custody? His own party would 25th Amendment him into a retirement home faster than you could say "MAGA".
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 23, 2018 15:16:03 GMT -5
They didn't "lose" text messages. This is obstruction of justice. The criminal activity just keeps piling up. If they did, they should ask their buddies at the NSA for their copies.
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Post by dondub on Jan 23, 2018 15:18:14 GMT -5
I see the word "cult" was used.
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Post by happyhoix on Jan 23, 2018 15:25:17 GMT -5
Mark MY words: high level operators in the FBI and DOJ are going to go to prison. GUARANTEED. hoookay, Mittmentum. Let me put it this way, if the Federal Bureau of Investigation or Special Counsel Muller thinks it's to their credit that they claim they had no clue the chief counterintelligence FBI guy was having an affair with an associate and clogging up cell towers with scores of thousands of tweets and they had no clue they were both on a vendetta to get Trump then they're even stupider than they seem, which is quite an achievement. We're told constantly, even by the execrable Sally Yates, that the slightest moral discrepancy makes one a candidate for blackmail, but nobody was watching the one guy who foreign powers would most want to blackmail, our chief counter-intel guy? Horse shit. This wasn't a simple extra-marital affair between a couple of agents suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome. They weren't fired "upon discovery". This was a conspiracy- a cult within the FBI that felt they had the moral high ground and were justified to, by any means necessary, obstruct or remove Trump from office. Now, you've got them discussing how to remove / delete text messages? I think the time has come to seize computers at the FBI, and quarantine agents for questioning. We are witness to the worst abuse of power in our history. Actually, yes, yet it was.
Apparently the reason they weren't fired on discovery is that their work did not appear to reflect a bias against Trump, and their bosses decided the poor judgement to send personal texts on work phones was not, in itself, justification for termination.
I'm not saying they shouldn't be investigated and we should know if they did, in fact, bias anything towards Hillary or against Trump, and if they did, then that would be grounds to terminate them.
Worse abuse of power in our history? We don't know yet. We have nothing but these private texts. But I'm sure the GOP committees are hard at work digging, digging, digging so that they can uncover any little tidbit of real proof, just like they did with the 9 or so Bengazi investigations...
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Post by happyhoix on Jan 23, 2018 15:27:22 GMT -5
I see the word "cult" was used. I think it's a 'cult' in the same way that my book club is a 'cult.'
People gossiping and bitching.
Get out the guns, we need a firing squad.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 23, 2018 15:27:29 GMT -5
Hillary is still alive and quite well.
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Post by happyhoix on Jan 23, 2018 15:28:25 GMT -5
(Unless that's Robo-Hillary!?!?)
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 23, 2018 15:30:42 GMT -5
(Unless that's Robo-Hillary!?!?) Zombie Hillary. Kept animated by dark voodoo magic learned by Obama from his Muslim terrorist masters.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 23, 2018 15:31:55 GMT -5
Hillary is still alive and quite well. Technically, we don't know she's well. She could be having seizures every second day, and we wouldn't know it.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 23, 2018 15:32:44 GMT -5
(Unless that's Robo-Hillary!?!?) Built in the basement of the Comet Ping Pong pizzeria.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 23, 2018 15:34:32 GMT -5
Hillary is still alive and quite well. Technically, we don't know she's well. She could be having seizures every second day, and we wouldn't know it. But...but...but she was supposed to be dead by around August 10, 2016 per very informed sources.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 23, 2018 15:41:19 GMT -5
Technically, we don't know she's well. She could be having seizures every second day, and we wouldn't know it. But...but...but she was supposed to be dead by around August 10, 2016 per very informed sources. Did Paul actually hang his hat on a prediction she'd die? He's not squeamish about making wacky predictions, so "hang his hat" would have to be something like "Mark my words: HRC will be dead by August 10. Don't doubt me. Ever." Not just posting an article and saying "This could happen." or "This will probably happen.", which is the Paulian equivalent of "I sincerely hope this will happen, but I don't really expect it to."
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Post by Opti on Jan 23, 2018 15:52:25 GMT -5
Glass house you say?
How many times have I written anything like this?
They should hope for prison. This is military tribunal and firing squad material.
Based on text message that reads like a joke from one lover to another. This isn't what you were criticizing. Plus, if you meant to criticize Paul's zeal, Billis did a better job of it in one sentence. I realize its not obvious, but that's exactly the reason I posted. The only reason I posted. So I started with why I thought the punishment was so beyond reason.
Interesting use of the word zeal.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 23, 2018 15:56:47 GMT -5
But...but...but she was supposed to be dead by around August 10, 2016 per very informed sources. Did Paul actually hang his hat on a prediction she'd die? He's not squeamish about making wacky predictions, so "hang his hat" would have to be something like "Mark my words: HRC will be dead by August 10. Don't doubt me. Ever." Not just posting an article and saying "This could happen." or "This will probably happen.", which is the Paulian equivalent of "I sincerely hope this will happen, but I don't really expect it to." paul's good friend at Newsmax told him so and he reported it to us.
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Post by Opti on Jan 23, 2018 15:58:03 GMT -5
Technically, we don't know she's well. She could be having seizures every second day, and we wouldn't know it. But...but...but she was supposed to be dead by around August 10, 2016 per very informed sources. I'm wondering if that's his source for all this. The Hillary Parkinson's death guy.
This was a conspiracy- a cult within the FBI that felt they had the moral high ground and were justified to, by any means necessary, obstruct or remove Trump from office.
I bet that guy has it on good authority they planned to obstruct and keep Trump from the FBI building by putting gold shiny things outside with a trail leading back to the WH.
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Post by happyhoix on Jan 23, 2018 15:59:41 GMT -5
Plus he posted all those videos of her staggering around and falling off platforms, which was PROOF she was either dying or already a robot. I might have misremembered the part about the robot.
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Post by Opti on Jan 23, 2018 16:04:47 GMT -5
Ooh, I think I know what the insurance policy is! There is an envelope containing McDonald's gift cards in a locked drawer in the event the gold shiny things do not distract the President back to the WH.
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Post by tallguy on Jan 23, 2018 16:08:14 GMT -5
Did Paul actually hang his hat on a prediction she'd die? He's not squeamish about making wacky predictions, so "hang his hat" would have to be something like "Mark my words: HRC will be dead by August 10. Don't doubt me. Ever." Not just posting an article and saying "This could happen." or "This will probably happen.", which is the Paulian equivalent of "I sincerely hope this will happen, but I don't really expect it to." paul's good friend at Newsmax told him so and he reported it to us. Well, that was his first problem: Believing anything coming from Nutsmax. They're no better than The Conservative Nuthouse and World Nut Daily.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 23, 2018 16:10:02 GMT -5
Plus he posted all those videos of her staggering around and falling off platforms, which was PROOF she was either dying or already a robot. I might have misremembered the part about the robot. You didn't misremember. FACT: While in the basement of the Comet Ping Pong pizzeria, John Podesta was operating the joy stick which controlled Robo-Hillary and he pulled the lever back which made Hillary stumble getting into the SUV.
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