Democrats decide to not show up

[Value Buy]

to meet with the President because they said he said bad things about them.

Here is an opinion piece on why things might start biting them in the behind with their total denial of the fact the Republicans are in charge right now.

www.cnbc.com/2017/11/28/government-shutdown-could-be-bad-for-democrats-too-commentary.html

[midjd]

I'm pretty sure they're aware the Republicans are in charge.

Are the Republicans aware, though? Because they don't seem to be getting much done with their surplus of power.  

Meeting with “Chuck and Nancy” today about keeping government open and working. Problem is they want illegal immigrants flooding into our Country unchecked, are weak on Crime and want to substantially RAISE Taxes. I don’t see a deal!

If someone called a meeting with me, purportedly to come to an agreement on an issue that will affect us both, and then sent something like that out to the entire organization (not even the entire public, as here), I'm not sure I'd show up either. What's the point? 

And so Chuck and Nancy are the big babies in this situation? 

[Rob Base 2.0]

They didn't show up, but they did agree to meet with the ADULTS, Ryan & McConnel (at least they are more adult than Trump)

[happyhoix]

Nov 28, 2017 16:27:25 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

to meet with the President because they said he said bad things about them.

Here is an opinion piece on why things might start biting them in the behind with their total denial of the fact the Republicans are in charge right now.

www.cnbc.com/2017/11/28/government-shutdown-could-be-bad-for-democrats-too-commentary.html

Can you quote the part of the article where it says the dems are in total denial of the fact the Republicans are in charge right now? I couldn't find it.

The article I read, the one you linked, said that public opinion could shift against the Dems even though the dems are holding out to protect a popular program. That no matter how popular the program is, the public really hates government shut downs, and if the dems appear to be resisting working across the aisle, they'll get blamed.

Maybe you read a different article?

[Value Buy]

Nov 28, 2017 16:55:55 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Nov 28, 2017 16:27:25 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

to meet with the President because they said he said bad things about them.

Here is an opinion piece on why things might start biting them in the behind with their total denial of the fact the Republicans are in charge right now.

www.cnbc.com/2017/11/28/government-shutdown-could-be-bad-for-democrats-too-commentary.html

Can you quote the part of the article where it says the dems are in total denial of the fact the Republicans are in charge right now? I couldn't find it.

The article I read, the one you linked, said that public opinion could shift against the Dems even though the dems are holding out to protect a popular program. That no matter how popular the program is, the public really hates government shut downs, and if the dems appear to be resisting working across the aisle, they'll get blamed.

Maybe you read a different article?

Nope. Guilty of placing my thoughts on the subject. the title is the dems decided to not show up, and I SURMISED they are in total; denial, or as is also know as Trump derangement syndrome.
They might want to rethink their approach that they stole from the Republicans circa 2008.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

Nov 28, 2017 16:55:45 GMT -5 Rob Base 2.0 said:

They didn't show up, but they did agree to meet with the ADULTS, Ryan & McConnel (at least they are more adult than Trump)

 Not only adult but people who can finally compromise and get things done.

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But they didn’t. They joined the shit show.

[Value Buy]

Nov 28, 2017 17:08:35 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Nov 28, 2017 16:55:45 GMT -5 Rob Base 2.0 said:

They didn't show up, but they did agree to meet with the ADULTS, Ryan & McConnel (at least they are more adult than Trump)

 Not only adult but people who can finally compromise and get things done.

So far this year the only compromise from the democrats has been "here is what we want. Take it or we vote no".

That is not compromise 

[Wisconsin Beth]

Nov 28, 2017 17:08:35 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Nov 28, 2017 16:55:45 GMT -5 Rob Base 2.0 said:

They didn't show up, but they did agree to meet with the ADULTS, Ryan & McConnel (at least they are more adult than Trump)

 Not only adult but people who can finally compromise and get things done.

Ryan and McConnell compromise? Please share the wine.

[billisonboard]

Nov 28, 2017 16:27:25 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

to meet with the President because they said he said bad things about them.
...

Always love the spin. "... they said he said ...". Actually, the Trump tweet exists that created the conditions for a canceling of the meeting.

[Rob Base 2.0]

Nov 28, 2017 17:25:58 GMT -5 oped said:

But they didn’t. They joined the shit show.

Yep I caught that at the end of the day, Ryan and McConnell bad mouthing the dems for "not showing up" to meet with POTUS and them. It was very poor form IMO of Ryan & McConnell to do that.

I think the lines are being drawn for a shutdown.  No hurricanes on the horizon (I think that was the main reason Trump caved soo quick last time).  Trump has already said "we can use a good shutdown" (or something like that).  

[ken a.k.a OMK]

Nov 28, 2017 17:29:17 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Nov 28, 2017 17:08:35 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

 Not only adult but people who can finally compromise and get things done.

So far this year the only compromise from the democrats has been "here is what we want. Take it or we vote no".

That is not compromise 

For 8 years the GOP said they wouldn't support anything from Obama. Never mind if it was a compromise or something they could discuss. Just no never mind. 

[Value Buy]

Nov 28, 2017 19:57:39 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Nov 28, 2017 17:29:17 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

So far this year the only compromise from the democrats has been "here is what we want. Take it or we vote no".

That is not compromise 

For 8 years the GOP said they wouldn't support anything from Obama. Never mind if it was a compromise or something they could discuss. Just no never mind. 

Ken read my reply in number four

[dezii]

Nov 28, 2017 16:51:32 GMT -5 midjd said:

I'm pretty sure they're aware the Republicans are in charge.

Are the Republicans aware, though? Because they don't seem to be getting much done with their surplus of power.  

Meeting with “Chuck and Nancy” today about keeping government open and working. Problem is they want illegal immigrants flooding into our Country unchecked, are weak on Crime and want to substantially RAISE Taxes. I don’t see a deal!

If someone called a meeting with me, purportedly to come to an agreement on an issue that will affect us both, and then sent something like that out to the entire organization (not even the entire public, as here), I'm not sure I'd show up either. What's the point? 

And so Chuck and Nancy are the big babies in this situation? 

"I don’t see a deal!"...he didm't want to negotiate...wanted either photo op or for them not to show up......They didn't show up.

He's either ignorant or arrogant...arrogant we know he is...dumb he isn't...knows what he is doing...taking the chance if government is shut down...no social security  checks over Christmas...other checks not sent out...million gov't workers no pay..

[they will probably get it retroactively when back at work, so no savings there..]

taking chance public will blame Dems but as I see it..Pubs control all three branches...so who is in charge...Dems have repeatedly said willing to work with pubs ..Maybe they will try to work it out...lets say they cut out the one where wealth can't be taxed...Trump vetoes...Is there enough to over ride...if so, Trump will melt down with his tweets...

[Value Buy]

Nov 28, 2017 20:55:37 GMT -5 dezii said:

Nov 28, 2017 16:51:32 GMT -5 midjd said:

I'm pretty sure they're aware the Republicans are in charge.

Are the Republicans aware, though? Because they don't seem to be getting much done with their surplus of power.  

If someone called a meeting with me, purportedly to come to an agreement on an issue that will affect us both, and then sent something like that out to the entire organization (not even the entire public, as here), I'm not sure I'd show up either. What's the point? 

And so Chuck and Nancy are the big babies in this situation? 

"I don’t see a deal!"...he didm't want to negotiate...wanted either photo op or for them not to show up......They didn't show up.

He's either ignorant or arrogant...arrogant we know he is...dumb he isn't...knows what he is doing...taking the chance if government is shut down...no social security  checks over Christmas...other checks not sent out...million gov't workers no pay..

[they will probably get it retroactively when back at work, so no savings there..]

taking chance public will blame Dems but as I see it..Pubs control all three branches...so who is in charge...Dems have repeatedly said willing to work with pubs ..Maybe they will try to work it out...lets say they cut out the one where wealth can't be taxed...Trump vetoes...Is there enough to over ride...if so, Trump will melt down with his tweets...

Dezi, the entire Republican party hierarchy did not have a clue how to stop him, and now the Democrats are doing the same damn thing trying to beat him but do not have a clue.
It ain't happening.

[dezii]

Nov 28, 2017 19:57:39 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Nov 28, 2017 17:29:17 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

So far this year the only compromise from the democrats has been "here is what we want. Take it or we vote no".

That is not compromise 

For 8 years the GOP said they wouldn't support anything from Obama. Never mind if it was a compromise or something they could discuss. Just no never mind. 

True so true...in fact  didn't chief Senator say his one thing to do in life was to see Obama wasn't reelected...something like that..

[dondub]

Mitch McConnell.

[dezii]

Nov 28, 2017 20:58:14 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Nov 28, 2017 20:55:37 GMT -5 dezii said:

"I don’t see a deal!"...he didm't want to negotiate...wanted either photo op or for them not to show up......They didn't show up.

He's either ignorant or arrogant...arrogant we know he is...dumb he isn't...knows what he is doing...taking the chance if government is shut down...no social security  checks over Christmas...other checks not sent out...million gov't workers no pay..

[they will probably get it retroactively when back at work, so no savings there..]

taking chance public will blame Dems but as I see it..Pubs control all three branches...so who is in charge...Dems have repeatedly said willing to work with pubs ..Maybe they will try to work it out...lets say they cut out the one where wealth can't be taxed...Trump vetoes...Is there enough to over ride...if so, Trump will melt down with his tweets...

Dezi, the entire Republican party hierarchy did not have a clue how to stop him, and now the Democrats are doing the same damn thing trying to beat him but do not have a clue.
It ain't happening.

Easy...work together...compromise...plenty on both sides hate the mans guts plus feel he is a nasty poor POTUS...together they can put him in his place...start acting presidential not act just with his tweets and ignore and diss his own party.

[Value Buy]

Nov 28, 2017 17:08:35 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Nov 28, 2017 16:55:45 GMT -5 Rob Base 2.0 said:

They didn't show up, but they did agree to meet with the ADULTS, Ryan & McConnel (at least they are more adult than Trump)

 Not only adult but people who can finally compromise and get things done.

McConnel is so scared of getting bitch slapped by Pelosi and Schumer he would give them the ship.
He has no spine.

[Value Buy]

Nov 29, 2017 5:37:18 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

The Republicans control both Houses of Congress, as well as the Presidency.  If there is a shutdown come December 8 they get the blame.  

This is why McConnell and Ryan were so frustrated when Trump made the previous budget "deal" with the Dems.  It set this potential scenario up, and they recognized that.  It gave the Dems more negotiating power come December.  Of course it went right over the head of the artsy deal guy there!

The one freaking time Trump shows some negotiation with Democrats and you slam him for it.
Look who is the real hard line partisan on the board is.

[dezii]

Nov 29, 2017 8:06:06 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Nov 29, 2017 5:37:18 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

The Republicans control both Houses of Congress, as well as the Presidency.  If there is a shutdown come December 8 they get the blame.  

This is why McConnell and Ryan were so frustrated when Trump made the previous budget "deal" with the Dems.  It set this potential scenario up, and they recognized that.  It gave the Dems more negotiating power come December.  Of course it went right over the head of the artsy deal guy there!

The one freaking time Trump shows some negotiation with Democrats and you slam him for it.
Look who is the real hard line partisan on the board is.

It was a photo op...these people are not stupid...Trump knew what he was doing on his tweet...did not want a working meeting...wanted a photo op...Dems said "F off "

[Value Buy]

Nov 29, 2017 10:10:57 GMT -5 dezii said:

Nov 29, 2017 8:06:06 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

The one freaking time Trump shows some negotiation with Democrats and you slam him for it.
Look who is the real hard line partisan on the board is.

It was a photo op...these people are not stupid...Trump knew what he was doing on his tweet...did not want a working meeting...wanted a photo op...Dems said "F off "

Dezi,

deminmaine and I were discussing the previous budget compromise that Schumer and Pelosi negotiated with Trump, not this week's boycott by the democrats.

[dezii]

Nov 29, 2017 10:37:36 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Nov 29, 2017 10:10:57 GMT -5 dezii said:

It was a photo op...these people are not stupid...Trump knew what he was doing on his tweet...did not want a working meeting...wanted a photo op...Dems said "F off "

Dezi,

deminmaine and I were discussing the previous budget compromise that Schumer and Pelosi negotiated with Trump, not this week's boycott by the democrats.

ok...missed that...will go back and reread when have time..

[hurley1980]

Nov 29, 2017 12:40:58 GMT -5 @anne81 said:

I thought the article was good.  Shutting down the government over DACA is a high risk strategy for the Democrats.  It's unlikely to hurt Trump because he can blame the Democrats, who have to appease members of their own party who want a hard line against Trump.

I think the government shutting down will only hurt the Pubs. As someone mentioned before, they are fully in charge right now, and still can't get a damn thing done.  They can't blame this on anyone but themselves.

[billisonboard]

Nov 29, 2017 15:40:16 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

... They can't blame this on anyone but themselves.

They can and they will if it happens. The question is will the American voter go along with it.

[NastyWoman]

Nov 29, 2017 5:37:18 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

The Republicans control both Houses of Congress, as well as the Presidency.  If there is a shutdown come December 8 they get the blame.  

This is why McConnell and Ryan were so frustrated when Trump made the previous budget "deal" with the Dems.  It set this potential scenario up, and they recognized that.  It gave the Dems more negotiating power come December.  Of course it went right over the head of the artsy deal guy there!

Artsy deal guy has gone bankrupt multiple times so what did people expect?

[Phoenix84]

I agree with the premise of the opinion piece that missing the meeting was bad optics for democrats.  It gives the impression that

1. Democrats are too delicate to meet with the president because he said mean things about them.

2. Democrats are not willing to reach bipartisan agreements, something the American people want.

3. Democrats are not above the petty Trump twitter fray.  They lose their moral high ground. 

[Rob Base 2.0]

Nov 29, 2017 16:54:18 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

I agree with the premise of the opinion piece that missing the meeting was bad optics for democrats.  It gives the impression that

1. Democrats are too delicate to meet with the president because he said mean things about them.

2. Democrats are not willing to reach bipartisan agreements, something the American people want.

3. Democrats are not above the petty Trump twitter fray.  They lose their moral high ground. 

I disagree.

on your point 1)-  It's not that the President said mean things about them, but more of the fact POTUS said "I don't see a deal" BEFORE the actual meeting

on your point 2)- How do you know until they actually have a meeting? 

on your point 3)- So you think democrats should IGNORE official White House communications? (that's what Trump's tweets are BTW)

[dezii]

Actually , the Donald's favorite meal seems to be a big mac double cheese and fries....believe both thought that was on the menu and begged off...

[Phoenix84]

Nov 28, 2017 20:55:37 GMT -5 dezii said:

Nov 28, 2017 16:51:32 GMT -5 midjd said:

I'm pretty sure they're aware the Republicans are in charge.

Are the Republicans aware, though? Because they don't seem to be getting much done with their surplus of power.  

If someone called a meeting with me, purportedly to come to an agreement on an issue that will affect us both, and then sent something like that out to the entire organization (not even the entire public, as here), I'm not sure I'd show up either. What's the point? 

And so Chuck and Nancy are the big babies in this situation? 

"I don’t see a deal!"...he didm't want to negotiate...wanted either photo op or for them not to show up......They didn't show up.

He's either ignorant or arrogant...arrogant we know he is...dumb he isn't...knows what he is doing...taking the chance if government is shut down...no social security  checks over Christmas...other checks not sent out...million gov't workers no pay..

[they will probably get it retroactively when back at work, so no savings there..]

taking chance public will blame Dems but as I see it..Pubs control all three branches...so who is in charge...Dems have repeatedly said willing to work with pubs ..Maybe they will try to work it out...lets say they cut out the one where wealth can't be taxed...Trump vetoes...Is there enough to over ride...if so, Trump will melt down with his tweets...

In the 2013 shutdown, republicans only controlled the house.  We were told that republicans would take the blame for it because they were the minority party and engaging in obstructionism.

Now democrats are the minority party and engaging in obstructionism but they won't be blamed because Trump. 

So no matter what happens it's always the republicans fault when there's a breakdown in negotiations that result in a shutdown.  Biased much?