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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 2, 2017 8:33:41 GMT -5
This sometimes called entrapment, Like being wired, asking "I have some Russian you can talk to!" He can cut your hair at the same time.
Yea, I need a haircut, Does he know baseball? You know I like sports,, Yea, I will talk to him No, oldcoyote, it's not entrapment. Entrapment involves tricking someone into committing a crime that person would not otherwise have committed. It doesn't involve recording conversations involving crimes already committed. I'm no attorney (as you are not), but that's how I understand entrapment. Ahhhh yes, But I do know entrapment, I do it all the time
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 2, 2017 8:43:56 GMT -5
I seem to think playing golf at only his own golf courses and the outside attention and business it now brings, staying at only his own resorts and the outside attention and business it now brings, owning the Trump International Hotel in Washington and the businesses, organizations, and countries trying to curry favor with Trump by staying there helps his empire out. Just a few examples. I was pretty sure that when Trump became President, all of his business dealing were turned over to someone else, It would be their problem if the business was not doing as well. As far as Trump staying at Trump properties, Well, that is where he lived, George W. Bush stayed at the ranch,
George H.W. Bush stayed at Kennebunkport MaineThat was where they lived and that is where they vacationed! On the other hand, Clinton and Obama didn't vaca at home, because who would go Chicago or Little Rock for vacation! The reason Trump, the bushes vacationed at home is because they had some really nice places , You know like financially successful before becoming President!! You do realize the Bush homes are not open to the public to host private parties there, yes? You do realize the Bush homes do not have private, membership and dues paying members golf courses on their property, yes? You do realize the Bush homes are not open to the public to rent the bedrooms within their homes, yes? Or maybe you don't realize it.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 2, 2017 8:44:44 GMT -5
I seem to think playing golf at only his own golf courses and the outside attention and business it now brings, staying at only his own resorts and the outside attention and business it now brings, owning the Trump International Hotel in Washington and the businesses, organizations, and countries trying to curry favor with Trump by staying there helps his empire out. Just a few examples. I was pretty sure that when Trump became President, all of his business dealing were turned over to someone else, It would be their problem if the business was not doing as well. He still owns the business. It not doing well, his fault or not, will effect him financially. Just as I am not running any of the businesses that I am invested in, but if the stock market tanks, it is a proble. For me. He may feel the need to go back to his regular job to save his business.
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 2, 2017 8:45:14 GMT -5
Does Trump rent out his personal apartment?
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 2, 2017 8:46:07 GMT -5
Does Trump rent out his personal apartment? You really don't get it. Failure to launch.
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 2, 2017 8:46:59 GMT -5
I was pretty sure that when Trump became President, all of his business dealing were turned over to someone else, It would be their problem if the business was not doing as well. He still owns the business. It not doing well, his fault or not, will effect him financially. Just as I am not running any of the businesses that I am invested in, but if the stock market tanks, it is a proble. For me. He may feel the need to go back to his regular job to save his business. The real money is made when you leave, start your Foundation!
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 2, 2017 8:48:29 GMT -5
Does Trump rent out his personal apartment? You really don't get it. Failure to launch. Well, does he rent it out? Since you were referring to private residences.
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 2, 2017 8:50:31 GMT -5
I was pretty sure that when Trump became President, all of his business dealing were turned over to someone else, It would be their problem if the business was not doing as well. He still owns the business. It not doing well, his fault or not, will effect him financially. Just as I am not running any of the businesses that I am invested in, but if the stock market tanks, it is a proble. For me. He may feel the need to go back to his regular job to save his business. I don't think he need the money.
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Post by dezii on Nov 2, 2017 9:30:36 GMT -5
I was pretty sure that when Trump became President, all of his business dealing were turned over to someone else, It would be their problem if the business was not doing as well. He still owns the business. It not doing well, his fault or not, will effect him financially. Just as I am not running any of the businesses that I am invested in, but if the stock market tanks, it is a proble. For me. He may feel the need to go back to his regular job to save his business. Man is a billionaire...how much of one only the Donald knows...Forbes says $3.1 Billion so I'll go with them...granted his net worth dropped last year but not going to expect a benefit being run for him by supporters...Why he went for this job is beyond me and the dissing he is being exposed to...don't think he expected it as it is...so wonder if privately..to him self he isn't saying to himself..."what the hell did I get into this for"..plus realizing he could be responsible for a war of some kind..whether it was his fault or forced into it...and just possible..by accident..by whim...by the way the wind is blowing a major exchange with many thousands if not more as casualties..
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 2, 2017 10:13:55 GMT -5
You really don't get it. Failure to launch. Well, does he rent it out? Since you were referring to private residences. Trump does not rent out rooms at his NYC condo. As president, Trump does rent out rooms to the public and other facilities at his winter White House in Florida (Mar-a-lago) which brings in income for his organization. As president, Trump does rent out rooms to the public and allows people to play golf for a fee (among other events which brings in income) at his summer White House (Trump National Golf Club, Bedminster, New Jersey). Income goes to Trump organization. George H.W. Bush did not rent out rooms at his summer-winter white house/family vacation home in Kennebunkport, Maine when he was president. Nor was there a golf club there owned by Bush which directly earned Bush income. George W. Bush did not rent out rooms at his private summer-winter white house/family vacation home in Crawford, Texas when he was president. Nor was there a golf club there owned by Bush which directly earned Bush income.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 2, 2017 10:37:47 GMT -5
Trump nominee for top Agriculture post withdraws amid Russia probe(CNN)Sam Clovis, President Donald Trump's nominee to be the Department of Agriculture's chief scientist, withdrew himself from consideration Thursday, the White House announced. "We respect Mr. Clovis' decision to withdraw his nomination," White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said in a statement to pool reporters. Sources told CNN earlier Thursday that Clovis' nomination was imperiled over his connections to the ongoing Russia probe. The development is the latest sign that Justice Department special counsel Robert Mueller's probe into the Trump campaign and Russian collusion is impacting the day-to-day of Trump's administration, despite top White House aides -- including Trump himself -- claiming that the indictments of former top Trump campaign advisers Paul Manafort and Rick Gates had nothing to do with the administration or the campaign. Complete article here: Trump nominee for top Agriculture post withdraws amid Russia probe
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 2, 2017 11:37:11 GMT -5
happyhoix: Thanks for the recap. One question: at what point did Russia officially become a "hostile" foreign government? I understand well that Russia and the US have been waging a proxy war in Afghanistan and the Ukraine for going on five years now, but it was never official. Plus, all of the major steps that would officially indicate hostility (expulsion of diplomats, economic sanctions, etc.) took place long after these meetings were held. Officially, Russia was a neutral foreign government like any other until the very end of the election campaign, and even then it just sort of drifted into "hostile" status. Does the law distinguish between collusion with hostile foreign governments and foreign governments generally? And if so, how do we account for the fact that Russia only recently became a hostile foreign government?
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 2, 2017 11:42:40 GMT -5
happyhoix: Thanks for the recap. One question: at what point did Russia officially become a "hostile" foreign government? I understand well that Russia and the US have been waging a proxy war in Afghanistan and the Ukraine for going on five years now, but it was never official. Plus, all of the major steps that would officially indicate hostility (expulsion of diplomats, economic sanctions, etc.) took place long after these meetings were held. Officially, Russia was a neutral foreign government like any other until the very end of the election campaign, and even then it just sort of drifted into "hostile" status. Does the law distinguish between collusion with hostile foreign governments and foreign governments generally? And if so, how do we account for the fact that Russia only recently became a hostile foreign government? At least when it became clear they were actively working to disrupt the Democratic process in several other countries as well as ours.
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Post by swamp on Nov 2, 2017 11:46:17 GMT -5
I thought the Cold War was all about Russia being a hostile foreign government?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 11:47:12 GMT -5
So the fact that Russia was attempting to get a new admin that would reduce SANCTIONS against them... ? They are just a sweet, innocent Netherlands, I suppose? Fuck that. They have been the enemy for a long time. And even if it were the Netherlands... when you try to INFLUENCE AN ELECTION...
Seriously. I'm beyond. Virgil can't even believe what he's selling. Could you all stop quoting him?
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Post by b2r on Nov 2, 2017 12:12:56 GMT -5
Ted Kennedy's Soviet Gambit
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 2, 2017 12:33:24 GMT -5
He still owns the business. It not doing well, his fault or not, will effect him financially. Just as I am not running any of the businesses that I am invested in, but if the stock market tanks, it is a proble. For me. He may feel the need to go back to his regular job to save his business. I don't think he need the money. It doesn't mean he wants his accumulated wealth to dwindle.
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Post by swamp on Nov 2, 2017 12:35:42 GMT -5
I don't think he need the money. It doesn't mean he wants his accumulated wealth to dwindle. Nor does it mean that he doesn't want more money. If he just wanted to maintain the status quo, he would have put his money into an index fund and lived off the dividends. He keeps building his business empire.
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Post by swamp on Nov 2, 2017 12:37:12 GMT -5
Ted Kennedy's Soviet GambitSo Ted Kennedy was an ass in 1983. What does that have to do with what is happening now? It was wrong then. It's still wrong.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Nov 2, 2017 12:44:45 GMT -5
Trump has a foundation that he doesn't give to but takes out thousands to buy items for himself and pay lawyers.
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 2, 2017 12:45:43 GMT -5
happyhoix : Thanks for the recap. One question: at what point did Russia officially become a "hostile" foreign government? I understand well that Russia and the US have been waging a proxy war in Afghanistan and the Ukraine for going on five years now, but it was never official. Plus, all of the major steps that would officially indicate hostility (expulsion of diplomats, economic sanctions, etc.) took place long after these meetings were held. Officially, Russia was a neutral foreign government like any other until the very end of the election campaign, and even then it just sort of drifted into "hostile" status. Does the law distinguish between collusion with hostile foreign governments and foreign governments generally? And if so, how do we account for the fact that Russia only recently became a hostile foreign government? Seriously Virgil? Russia has been hostile to us since the czars got overthrown. Even when we were allies in WWII, it was more 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' kind of thing. Immediately afterwards, things went bad. Google 'Berlin Air Lift.'
One of the things that pissed off other GOP members like McCain was how much Trump kissed Putin's ass during the election. They are not our friends. They constantly seek to undermine our society (which is why they spent all the time, money and effort on all those fake social media accounts over the last few years).
Putin has wet dreams about rebuilding the soviet empire and becoming the dominant world power. . And all the chaos that has come out of the fake social media accounts and our disruptive election is music to Putin's ears. He would love to see us engaged in a long, drawn out legal/impeachment morass as this Mueller thing grinds along.
So yes, it is a big deal that some of Trump's cronies might have gone to Russia for dirt, because with Russia, there is always, always something they want in return, and whatever it is, it's something that will seriously fuck us over.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 2, 2017 13:14:24 GMT -5
do you like the idea of deficits? if not, you don't really like that alternative, because it doesn't change our deficit picture. ideally, we'd eliminate deficits too and then just inflate our way out of the debt. but we both know that we have to fix entitlements as part of that, taxing the evil rich will never raise enough money to do it, and i'm loathe to give them more money until they attempt to solve the real problems you are skirting over the main issue. if you are bleeding cash, and you cut your income AND your expense 10%, you are still bleeding cash. furthermore, you have hampered your ability to pay (income). so, in that sense, you have made your problem worse. here is my solution: raise taxes and cut spending. this discussion always reminds me of dieting: individual: "dude, i am trying this new celery cleanse! i have lost 5 lbs in a week". me: have you tried cutting intake and increasing exercise? individual: "didn't you hear me? i lost 5 lbs" me: yeah, i heard you. you are going to die of scurvy, bro. why not eat less and exercise more? individual: "you are a dumbass. you need to eat more celery". i kinda get sick of this discussion.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 2, 2017 13:16:21 GMT -5
This sometimes called entrapment, Like being wired, asking "I have some Russian you can talk to!" He can cut your hair at the same time.
Yea, I need a haircut, Does he know baseball? You know I like sports,, Yea, I will talk to him Ahhhh - much like James O'Keefe videos. post of the year /\
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 2, 2017 13:36:17 GMT -5
I thought the Cold War was all about Russia being a hostile foreign government? The Cold War that ended in the late 80's, early 90's with the fall of the USSR? I admit US/Russian relations haven't been peachy since then, but there's a difference between "not peachy" and "hostile". And if Russia is so hostile, why is every American politician and their dog knee-deep in business dealings, foundation partnerships, and diplomatic connections with Russia? Russia became "hostile" when this collusion scandal became an election issue. Prior to that, both sides of the political aisle were more than happy to deal with Russia like bosom buddies? Do you deny this is what the evidence thus far tells us?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 2, 2017 13:44:31 GMT -5
So yes, it is a big deal that some of Trump's cronies might have gone to Russia for dirt, because with Russia, there is always, always something they want in return, and whatever it is, it's something that will seriously fuck us over. Have you considered they want a perpetuation of the status quo, which includes decades worth of lucrative business deals? Diplomacy isn't a zero sum game. While I'm no fan of Pres. Putin (I concede he's a murderous autocrat), he's been a greater force for good (or I should say a lesser force for evil) in the world than America in the past two decades, and that is a truly, truly sad statement to make. He's also the kind of man who's America's enemy to the degree America makes him an enemy.
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 2, 2017 13:52:52 GMT -5
I thought the Cold War was all about Russia being a hostile foreign government? The Cold War that ended in the late 80's, early 90's with the fall of the USSR? I admit US/Russian relations haven't been peachy since then, but there's a difference between "not peachy" and "hostile". And if Russia is so hostile, why is every American politician and their dog knee-deep in business dealings, foundation partnerships, and diplomatic connections with Russia? Russia became "hostile" when this collusion scandal became an election issue. Prior to that, both sides of the political aisle were more than happy to deal with Russia like bosom buddies?Do you deny this is what the evidence thus far tells us? I won't speak for Swamp, but yes, I would deny that.
Putin hates HRC. We've been piling sanctions on them for a while now, partly thanks to HRC.
The question of why Putin wanted Trump elected might either be because he truly hates HRC or, on the other hand, he has some blackmail material on Trump and knew he would manipulate him behind the scenes (e.g., the infamous dossier).. Or - just to screw with us for fun.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 2, 2017 13:54:39 GMT -5
Anyone watch the Putin's revenge Frontline?
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Post by hurley1980 on Nov 2, 2017 14:00:22 GMT -5
Trump supporters are having to reach so insanely far to defend this Russia thing, its almost comical. But of course, Hilary's sale of uranium, which wasn't even her sale, is a HUGE deal, because when democrats deal with Russia, its the end of the world, but when Republicans deal with Russia, its A-Okay!
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 2, 2017 14:01:00 GMT -5
So yes, it is a big deal that some of Trump's cronies might have gone to Russia for dirt, because with Russia, there is always, always something they want in return, and whatever it is, it's something that will seriously fuck us over. Have you considered they want a perpetuation of the status quo, which includes decades worth of lucrative business deals?Diplomacy isn't a zero sum game. While I'm no fan of Pres. Putin (I concede he's a murderous autocrat), he's been a greater force for good (or I should say a lesser force for evil) in the world than America in the past two decades, and that is a truly, truly sad statement to make. He's also the kind of man who's America's enemy to the degree America makes him an enemy. If a country wanted lucrative business deals with us would they spend a shit ton of time and money setting up fake social media accounts?
Why would Russia try to interfere with our democratic election process? Just for funsies?
Tell you what, if you can provide me with proof that the Grand Duc of Luxembourg, a country who has been our ally since it started getting invaded by Germans, and one of the most business minded countries in the world, routinely sets up fake Facebook accounts to troll Americans into voting for a particular candidate because he is a whimsical prankster who loves a good joke but is still, really and truly, our best pal, I'll concede that possibly Russia is just funnin' us and doesn't real mean to subvert our election system.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Nov 2, 2017 14:51:08 GMT -5
Russia wants to be a super power again. Greater then we've become. They saw a way forward in the weakness of Trump and his financial ties with them. Hillary was a threat to their agenda.
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