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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 11:00:51 GMT -5
If the Republicans had shut George the fuck down. Shut jr. down, in no uncertain terms, turned attempts over to the FBI and then stated what they had done when asked... no problem. Again, what’s going to kill them is thei4 attempts to cover up and hide. Those things, if they are there, and i have a lot more, I’m betting they are, feelings this week than last... THAT is what is going to fry them. Seriously? Clovis said he encouraged G to go meet with Russia because he was just being polite? That’s his defense? Two people say that Sessions shut G down in a meeting... but did he report, skuttke G’s ass, and testify to the attempt? Nope.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 11:03:49 GMT -5
Yes, people need to assume he was wired. Arrested in summer, deal signed weeks ago. They need to assume any conversation they had with him was recorded. Now, did he call up some peeps and sob he’d been arrested and ask what to do and say he was thinking of just telling all, and they advised him? I have no idea. But it’s fun to speculate
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 11:04:49 GMT -5
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 1, 2017 11:09:58 GMT -5
Hey, he is the President we now have, just like the eight years of President Obama. We have to hope it is a successful eight years Its already a really long annoying first year. Many of us hope he exits before we need to endure the full three more. I think he's too unpopular to squeak out a win again. Hopefully he'll decide its too hard, costs him too much personally (Trump company bottom line has been hurting), and bluster his way back into the private sector. I always figured if the presidency started to hurt his bottom line significantly he would bail, claiming that he can't allow nasty politics ruin the empire he plans to leave to his kids.
Trump cares about himself the most, then his empire, then his kids (the ones that will continue his empire, anyway, not who-its in California). Nothing else matters. So if the presidency isn't also benefiting him and his empire, I expect him to leave it. He's already told at least 2 people he won't run in 2020.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 11:23:36 GMT -5
This is just plain sour grapes. *tsk tsk* Yes, yes it is
I'm comfortable calling myself a nasty woman.
Easier than facts ?
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 1, 2017 16:09:15 GMT -5
I always figured if the presidency started to hurt his bottom line significantly he would bail, claiming that he can't allow nasty politics ruin the empire he plans to leave to his kids.
Trump cares about himself the most, then his empire, then his kids (the ones that will continue his empire, anyway, not who-its in California). Nothing else matters. So if the presidency isn't also benefiting him and his empire, I expect him to leave it. He's already told at least 2 people he won't run in 2020.
while he definitely has many narcissistic tendencies, there's no evidence that he is helping his empire out. in fact, it's down markedly and his brand will be permanently impaired by his presidency. Even more reason, that while I don't agree with nearly everything he does (and less of what he says), I can't fully buy this theory that he's doing this president thing for personal gain. I think he basically was forced into it by duty I seem to think playing golf at only his own golf courses and the outside attention and business it now brings, staying at only his own resorts and the outside attention and business it now brings, owning the Trump International Hotel in Washington and the businesses, organizations, and countries trying to curry favor with trump by staying there helps his empire out. Just a few examples.
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 1, 2017 16:17:11 GMT -5
I always figured if the presidency started to hurt his bottom line significantly he would bail, claiming that he can't allow nasty politics ruin the empire he plans to leave to his kids.
Trump cares about himself the most, then his empire, then his kids (the ones that will continue his empire, anyway, not who-its in California). Nothing else matters. So if the presidency isn't also benefiting him and his empire, I expect him to leave it. He's already told at least 2 people he won't run in 2020.
while he definitely has many narcissistic tendencies, there's no evidence that he is helping his empire out. in fact, it's down markedly and his brand will be permanently impaired by his presidency. Even more reason, that while I don't agree with nearly everything he does (and less of what he says), I can't fully buy this theory that he's doing this president thing for personal gain. I think he basically was forced into it by duty I think he never really meant to win. This isn't the first year he ran - I think he saw running for president as a great way to get free publicity for his brand. His plan, prior to the election, was to launch a TV network, and this was a great way to boost that project. When he started winning primaries, I think he was surprised as hell, but glad for the publicity. That's why, when he actually won the election, he didn't really have any policies ready to go, or a list of nominees for the different appointments.
He's really an outstanding marketer, and he did a great job of finding the voters that might vote for him, and playing to them. Unfortunately, I think he was TOO good, and he's the personification of the saying 'be careful what you wish for, you might get it.'
Of course it's impossible for him to admit now that he never actually wanted this job, but now that it's impacting his business, I expect he won't run again in 2020, if he doesn't resign prior to that (depending on how badly it starts affecting his business.)
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 1, 2017 16:33:40 GMT -5
If it happens, you can say you told me so. At present time, from where I'm standing, Mr. Manafort's troubles reaching as far as Pres. Trump looks like Mittmentum 2.0. A lot of hope. A lot of speculation. Not a lot to rest them on. The actual charges for Manafort on most of it was before Trump hired him. You know, when he hired the Podesta Group to do work for him. That is why the DNC knew he was dirty. Democrats have much more to worry about than Trump The charges don't connect to Trump, but they may have information they could use to bargain.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 16:33:57 GMT -5
Outstanding marketer? Did you hear what he apparently wants to name the new tax bill?
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 1, 2017 16:34:42 GMT -5
Attn: happyhoixSatire from The Borowitz Report Trump Accuses Clinton of Deliberately Losing Election So He Could Be ImpeachedBy Andy Borowitz WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—In what might be his most startling allegation against his former election opponent, Donald Trump on Wednesday accused Hillary Clinton of deliberately losing the 2016 election just so that he could be impeached. “How could one of the most experienced politicians in history lose to the most unfit candidate ever?” Trump asked reporters. “Crooked Hillary lost on purpose because she wanted me to be impeached.” Explaining Clinton’s motives for intentionally sabotaging her quest for an office she had coveted for decades, Trump said, “Hillary Clinton is more than a nasty woman. She is an evil woman, and her sick mind is capable of anything.” Trump said that instead of reporting the “fake story” of his campaign’s collusion with the Russians, the media should focus on Clinton’s “diabolical scheme to lose the election.” “I don’t know if Hillary Clinton lost the election on her own,” Trump said. “Maybe she asked the Russians to help her lose. But the fact is, Hillary Clinton deliberately plotted to put me in the White House, and the American people should be very angry about that.” link
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 1, 2017 16:36:13 GMT -5
I always figured if the presidency started to hurt his bottom line significantly he would bail, claiming that he can't allow nasty politics ruin the empire he plans to leave to his kids.
Trump cares about himself the most, then his empire, then his kids (the ones that will continue his empire, anyway, not who-its in California). Nothing else matters. So if the presidency isn't also benefiting him and his empire, I expect him to leave it. He's already told at least 2 people he won't run in 2020.
while he definitely has many narcissistic tendencies, there's no evidence that he is helping his empire out. in fact, it's down markedly and his brand will be permanently impaired by his presidency. Even more reason, that while I don't agree with nearly everything he does (and less of what he says), I can't fully buy this theory that he's doing this president thing for personal gain. I think he basically was forced into it by duty really? you are ascribing noble intentions? that's hilarious.
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 1, 2017 16:42:54 GMT -5
Attn: happyhoix Satire from The Borowitz Report Trump Accuses Clinton of Deliberately Losing Election So He Could Be ImpeachedBy Andy Borowitz WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—In what might be his most startling allegation against his former election opponent, Donald Trump on Wednesday accused Hillary Clinton of deliberately losing the 2016 election just so that he could be impeached. “How could one of the most experienced politicians in history lose to the most unfit candidate ever?” Trump asked reporters. “Crooked Hillary lost on purpose because she wanted me to be impeached.” Explaining Clinton’s motives for intentionally sabotaging her quest for an office she had coveted for decades, Trump said, “Hillary Clinton is more than a nasty woman. She is an evil woman, and her sick mind is capable of anything.” Trump said that instead of reporting the “fake story” of his campaign’s collusion with the Russians, the media should focus on Clinton’s “diabolical scheme to lose the election.” “I don’t know if Hillary Clinton lost the election on her own,” Trump said. “Maybe she asked the Russians to help her lose. But the fact is, Hillary Clinton deliberately plotted to put me in the White House, and the American people should be very angry about that.” linkI love Borowitz!!
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 1, 2017 16:45:25 GMT -5
Outstanding marketer? Did you hear what he apparently wants to name the new tax bill? No, but I'll guess something like "American Program to Bigly Winning?"
"America-First Middle Class Enrichment Program?"
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 16:47:07 GMT -5
The Cut, Cut, Cut Act is what’s trending...
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 1, 2017 19:44:54 GMT -5
The actual charges for Manafort on most of it was before Trump hired him. You know, when he hired the Podesta Group to do work for him. That is why the DNC knew he was dirty. Democrats have much more to worry about than Trump The charges don't connect to Trump, but they may have information they could use to bargain. Bargain to prove what? Russian collusion? Man, if that isn't the conspiracy theory that won't die.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 19:56:50 GMT -5
Jr and possibly Kushner for intending to conspire with foreign government, whatever that is...
Leading to Trump, obstruction...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 19:58:39 GMT -5
What conspiracy theory? Multiple people have admitted wanting to get dirt from the Russians... Russians attempting contacts with the campaign that were welcomed...
As has been repeated, it’s the lying, cover up, perjury, obstruction... etc that would be the most likely issue.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 1, 2017 20:25:50 GMT -5
The Cut, Cut, Cut Act is what’s trending... i like the idea of cutting spending and cutting taxes. I know this doesn't really do that, but I can dream. I actually like the savings provision in the democratic alternative, but haven't read the rest of their proposal do you like the idea of deficits? if not, you don't really like that alternative, because it doesn't change our deficit picture.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 1, 2017 22:06:03 GMT -5
What conspiracy theory? Multiple people have admitting wanting to get dirt from the Russians... Russians attempting contacts with the campaign that were welcomed... It as has been repeated, it’s the lying, cover up, perjury, obstruction... etc that would be the most likely issue. Maybe I'm just behind on the issue. Back when the investigation started, the Democrats' hope was that Pres. Trump's inner circle had colluded with the Russian government to hack the DNC servers, Sen. Wiener's laptop, etc. It was, in a word, a conspiracy theory. From what little I've read, the indictments handed down thus far concern campaign men who had ties and business dealings with Russian interests they didn't disclose. Hence at this cosmic moment in time, I don't see how the indictments connect to the original theory except that they both involve Russia.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 22:13:48 GMT -5
You might be reading too much right wing media.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 22:56:24 GMT -5
Of course he does.
"I want you guys to put ALL the monies from investigating ME over into finding SOMETHING you can send HILLARY to jail for and DO IT NOW."
And in his mind, all the loyal congressmen will leap to obey.
Bless his heart.
Due to a grammatical error... I don't think that meme says what you think it says. It's the difference between "It's time to eat, Grandma!" and "It's time to eat Grandma!"
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 23:09:59 GMT -5
Outstanding marketer? Did you hear what he apparently wants to name the new tax bill? "Cut-Cut, Trim-Trim, Oohh what Relief it is!" (sung to the melody of the old Alka-Seltzer commercial)?
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 2, 2017 7:04:36 GMT -5
What conspiracy theory? Multiple people have admitting wanting to get dirt from the Russians... Russians attempting contacts with the campaign that were welcomed... It as has been repeated, it’s the lying, cover up, perjury, obstruction... etc that would be the most likely issue. Maybe I'm just behind on the issue. Back when the investigation started, the Democrats' hope was that Pres. Trump's inner circle had colluded with the Russian government to hack the DNC servers, Sen. Wiener's laptop, etc. It was, in a word, a conspiracy theory. From what little I've read, the indictments handed down thus far concern campaign men who had ties and business dealings with Russian interests they didn't disclose. Hence at this cosmic moment in time, I don't see how the indictments connect to the original theory except that they both involve Russia. The DNC hack has kind of faded into the background, although I heard there might be indictments coming out for that soon, don't know against whom.
Trump Jr, Kushner and Manafort met with a Russian lawyer at Trump Tower during the election - there are emails that show she offered him 'dirt' on Clinton and he was eager to see what she had. The Russian lawyer produced a document that is almost identical to a document that a Kremlin official gave to a congressman a few months earlier, which strongly indicates the document was put together by someone working for the Kremlin. The document shows that someone the Kremlin considers to be a criminal donated to the Clinton charity.
Trump Jr initially claimed the meeting was only about adoptions, then, when the emails surfaced, admitted he went there to get dirt on Clinton but what the Russian lawyer provided 'didn't make sense' so it was useless. He will probably argue now that he didn't realize the lawyer and the document she provided were connected to Russia.
I'm willing to bet Kushner and Trump Jr, being political novices, didn't realize it was illegal to collude with a hostile foreign government against an opponent during a campaign, but Manafort should have known.
Speculation is that Manafort may be hit with these money laundering charges as a way to leverage him into ratting out what actually happened at the Russian meeting, and if Trump Sr knew about it - since he was at the meeting and deeply involved in the campaign, he would know. It would also be interesting to know what the Russian lawyer wanted in return for her 'dirt.'
Of course, if nothing happened at that meeting, and if Trump really didn't know what his son, SIL and Manafort were doing, there is no collusion. We'll see where Mueller's investigation goes on that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 7:45:30 GMT -5
Not sure how jr could argue that after the emails?
Again... forget what Trump knew... it’s possible he helped draft jr’s statement lying about it to cover up... THAT is where I would go...
Collusion is not an indictable crime by itself. And it doesn’t have to have been Trump for his campaign to intend to deal in hacked secrets with a foreign government.
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 2, 2017 7:54:03 GMT -5
If the Republicans had shut George the fuck down. Shut jr. down, in no uncertain terms, turned attempts over to the FBI and then stated what they had done when asked... no problem. Again, what’s going to kill them is thei4 attempts to cover up and hide. Those things, if they are there, and i have a lot more, I’m betting they are, feelings this week than last... THAT is what is going to fry them. Seriously? Clovis said he encouraged G to go meet with Russia because he was just being polite? That’s his defense? Two people say that Sessions shut G down in a meeting... but did he report, skuttke G’s ass, and testify to the attempt? Nope. Huh?
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 2, 2017 8:02:28 GMT -5
Yes, people need to assume he was wired. Arrested in summer, deal signed weeks ago. They need to assume any conversation they had with him was recorded. Now, did he call up some peeps and sob he’d been arrested and ask what to do and say he was thinking of just telling all, and they advised him? I have no idea. But it’s fun to speculate This sometimes called entrapment, Like being wired, asking "I have some Russian you can talk to!" He can cut your hair at the same time.
Yea, I need a haircut, Does he know baseball? You know I like sports,, Yea, I will talk to him
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Post by mmhmm on Nov 2, 2017 8:07:48 GMT -5
Yes, people need to assume he was wired. Arrested in summer, deal signed weeks ago. They need to assume any conversation they had with him was recorded. Now, did he call up some peeps and sob he’d been arrested and ask what to do and say he was thinking of just telling all, and they advised him? I have no idea. But it’s fun to speculate This sometimes called entrapment, Like being wired, asking "I have some Russian you can talk to!" He can cut your hair at the same time.
Yea, I need a haircut, Does he know baseball? You know I like sports,, Yea, I will talk to him No, oldcoyote, it's not entrapment. Entrapment involves tricking someone into committing a crime that person would not otherwise have committed. It doesn't involve recording conversations involving crimes already committed. I'm no attorney (as you are not), but that's how I understand entrapment.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 2, 2017 8:09:46 GMT -5
Yes, people need to assume he was wired. Arrested in summer, deal signed weeks ago. They need to assume any conversation they had with him was recorded. Now, did he call up some peeps and sob he’d been arrested and ask what to do and say he was thinking of just telling all, and they advised him? I have no idea. But it’s fun to speculate This sometimes called entrapment, Like being wired, asking "I have some Russian you can talk to!" He can cut your hair at the same time.
Yea, I need a haircut, Does he know baseball? You know I like sports,, Yea, I will talk to him Ahhhh - much like James O'Keefe videos.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 8:31:47 GMT -5
I’m talking more ‘they arrested me, what should I do?’ Answer, ‘lie your ass off’ etc.
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 2, 2017 8:32:26 GMT -5
while he definitely has many narcissistic tendencies, there's no evidence that he is helping his empire out. in fact, it's down markedly and his brand will be permanently impaired by his presidency. Even more reason, that while I don't agree with nearly everything he does (and less of what he says), I can't fully buy this theory that he's doing this president thing for personal gain. I think he basically was forced into it by duty I seem to think playing golf at only his own golf courses and the outside attention and business it now brings, staying at only his own resorts and the outside attention and business it now brings, owning the Trump International Hotel in Washington and the businesses, organizations, and countries trying to curry favor with Trump by staying there helps his empire out. Just a few examples. I was pretty sure that when Trump became President, all of his business dealing were turned over to someone else, It would be their problem if the business was not doing as well. As far as Trump staying at Trump properties, Well, that is where he lived, George W. Bush stayed at the ranch, George H.W. Bush stayed at Kennebunkport Maine That was where they lived and that is where they vacationed! On the other hand, Clinton and Obama didn't vaca at home, because who would go Chicago or Little Rock for vacation! The reason Trump, the bushes vacationed at home is because they had some really nice places , You know like financially successful before becoming President!!
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