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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 17:58:16 GMT -5
I’ve read that proactive can mean more involved, wire wearing, etc. ? Wishful thinking?
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Post by swamp on Oct 30, 2017 18:10:16 GMT -5
It can. Not necessarily though.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 30, 2017 19:04:04 GMT -5
They always plead guilty at arraignment. Unless they had a deal ahead of time. Hmm. If they always plead guilty and these two are pleading not guilty, I wonder what kind of deal they've managed to work. I am sure swamp meant to say they plead "not guilty".
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 30, 2017 19:27:14 GMT -5
Well so far, I still do not see anytHing linking Trump to Russian collusion. I also saw Podesta's brother resigned from the Podesta Group today, and they are ahem.......reorganizing as a new company. Seems many customers have, ahem.........pulled their accounts. Looks like a lot of people do not want to be associated with the Mueller investigation. The Podesta's are now considered something less than male sexual predators. Still waiting for Hillary to publicly state John Podesta is a heck of a guy, and should be celebrated!
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Oct 30, 2017 20:41:20 GMT -5
Manafort and Gates have reportedly pled not guilty on all charges. They always plead guilty at arraignment. Unless they had a deal ahead of time. Did you interpret popas quick guilty as a sign he is making a deal?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 20:46:49 GMT -5
You don’t have to interpret it, it was pretty much specifically stated...
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Post by swamp on Oct 30, 2017 20:57:35 GMT -5
They always plead guilty at arraignment. Unless they had a deal ahead of time. Did you interpret popas quick guilty as a sign he is making a deal? Absolutely he flipped
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Post by Waffle on Oct 30, 2017 21:19:03 GMT -5
Is it too early for Trump to start issuing pardons?
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Post by swamp on Oct 30, 2017 21:32:17 GMT -5
Is it too early for Trump to start issuing pardons? No. But that hat would be politically disastrous i saw on TV tonight trump is asking bannon for help, and he thinks congress should vote to defund the investigation
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Post by dezii on Oct 30, 2017 21:46:43 GMT -5
Well so far, I still do not see anytHing linking Trump to Russian collusion. I also saw Podesta's brother resigned from the Podesta Group today, and they are ahem.......reorganizing as a new company. Seems many customers have, ahem.........pulled their accounts. Looks like a lot of people do not want to be associated with the Mueller investigation. The Podesta's are now considered something less than male sexual predators. Still waiting for Hillary to publicly state John Podesta is a heck of a guy, and should be celebrated! and as a loyal member of the base, staying with the ship and continuing to man the pumps till the end....remember...skipper of the Titanic was never seen again after he went into his cabin..[actually could have saved many lives if he took charge..made sure life boats were filled to capacity as they left the ship....but Nooooo....man pouted and whined ...[sad]...don't make that mistake is all I can say...
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Post by Waffle on Oct 30, 2017 21:46:46 GMT -5
Is it too early for Trump to start issuing pardons? No. But that hat would be politically disastrous i saw on TV tonight Trump is asking bannon for help, and he thinks congress should vote to defund the investigation It was a sort of tongue in cheek question. But, I'm not so sure it would be politically disastrous. I see comments on different websites with Trump supporters staunchly defending D.T. And minimizing or just plain discounting the importance of the indictments. It would further sicken those of us who don't like him. But we're already sick of him, nothing new there.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 21:59:01 GMT -5
And he’s down to 33% approval in Gallup today.
And it isnt his base that acts in the end. Congress isn’t quite as hospitable.
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Post by happyhoix on Oct 31, 2017 6:57:12 GMT -5
Is it too early for Trump to start issuing pardons? No. But that hat would be politically disastrous i saw on TV tonight Trump is asking bannon for help, and he thinks congress should vote to defund the investigation
Of course he does.
"I want you guys to put ALL the monies from investigating ME over into finding SOMETHING you can send HILLARY to jail for and DO IT NOW."
And in his mind, all the loyal congressmen will leap to obey.
Bless his heart.
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Post by happyhoix on Oct 31, 2017 7:10:05 GMT -5
Well so far, I still do not see anytHing linking Trump to Russian collusion. I also saw Podesta's brother resigned from the Podesta Group today, and they are ahem.......reorganizing as a new company. Seems many customers have, ahem.........pulled their accounts. Looks like a lot of people do not want to be associated with the Mueller investigation. The Podesta's are now considered something less than male sexual predators. Still waiting for Hillary to publicly state John Podesta is a heck of a guy, and should be celebrated! You must not have read anything about Papadopoulos's statement.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/7-tantalizing-questions-about-the-russia-probe-from-trump-aide-george-papadopoulos%e2%80%99s-plea-deal/ar-AAufiqU
Clear that not just one, but several top campaign managers knew (and encouraged) his efforts to set up a meeting between Putin and Trump during the election.
Despite Trump's claim that his campaign had no contact with the Russians at all.
I know, hard to imagine that our president might be a liar.
You keep going down that Clinton rabbit hole, though.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 31, 2017 7:36:05 GMT -5
No. But that hat would be politically disastrous i saw on TV tonight Trump is asking bannon for help, and he thinks congress should vote to defund the investigation
Of course he does.
"I want you guys to put ALL the monies from investigating ME over into finding SOMETHING you can send HILLARY to jail for and DO IT NOW."
And in his mind, all the loyal congressmen will leap to obey.
Bless his heart.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Oct 31, 2017 7:40:02 GMT -5
Here's my take away so far.
1. The indictment is for activities prior to joining the Trump campaign. So at worst it speaks to Trump's ability to hire people, it's hardly a smoking gun.
2. The republicans in congress so far appear confident in Mueller's ability to conduct a fair and professional investigation, so I don't see any reason to doubt Mueller either.
3. The investigation is still ongoing, and any number of things could happen. Anyone who says they know what's going to happen is either part of the investigation or blowing hot air. It'll be interesting to see what happens.
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Post by Opti on Oct 31, 2017 7:53:28 GMT -5
Well so far, I still do not see anytHing linking Trump to Russian collusion. I also saw Podesta's brother resigned from the Podesta Group today, and they are ahem.......reorganizing as a new company. Seems many customers have, ahem.........pulled their accounts. Looks like a lot of people do not want to be associated with the Mueller investigation. The Podesta's are now considered something less than male sexual predators. Still waiting for Hillary to publicly state John Podesta is a heck of a guy, and should be celebrated! There are things linking Trump to collusion with Russia, they just aren't part of the indictments at this time. Donald Jr. and Kushner attended multiple meetings with Russians. Don't mistake the beginning of the hammer coming down with the end of the investigation.
I don't live in alternate reality so I don't think many non-Trump supporters are thinking all that much about any Podesta. Yes the revelation hurts the Podesta group, but the smart money is watching the WH. There is so much tap dancing going on, you know there is more than a little guilt there.
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Post by OldCoyote on Oct 31, 2017 8:11:21 GMT -5
What ever. If I remember you live in a red state! Thank God! Don't bring God into it. Not when you support a party that gives zero f*cks about helping the poor and the needy, a party that is led by a man who has been married three times, who has cheated on his wive(s), who has failed to pay his taxes, who has stolen from and screwed over hard working people. You don't know a damn thing about God because if you did you would die of shame at being a Republican.Poptart, Please don't hold back like that, Value Buy is a big boy,,,, He can take it!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 8:32:29 GMT -5
Clovis... seriously, you can’t make this shit up.
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Post by happyhoix on Oct 31, 2017 8:52:38 GMT -5
Here's my take away so far.
1. The indictment is for activities prior to joining the Trump campaign. So at worst it speaks to Trump's ability to hire people, it's hardly a smoking gun.
You must have missed this guy - who confessed back in July.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/who%e2%80%99s-who-in-the-george-papadopoulos-court-documents/ar-AAuftAJ
This happened DURING the campaign. This guy actively tried to arrange meetings between Russians and the Trump campaign staff, and various high level Trump campaign managers (if not Trump himself) knew what he was doing.
E-mail trail to prove it, so don't wave your hand and claim it's all fabricated by fake news.
And of course, Trump has quickly come out to explain that Papadopoulos was only a 'low level volunteer' plus, he's a liar. (Pot- Kettle). In the next breath - LOCK HER UP.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 31, 2017 8:53:29 GMT -5
Paul Manafort. It is reported he has been told to surrender. No public arrest or perp walk for the media The other winner- the London Professor in Mueller's indictment of the 29-year-old unpaid volunteer to the Trump campaign denies all the allegations in Mueller's document. It looks like this Papadopoulos character (who was an unpaid volunteer with no standing or status at the campaign whatsoever) was trying to worm his way into the campaign by making fantastical claims about knowing Russian agents who had dirt on Hillary. Putin's people, meanwhile, were trying to use this guy to meet with Trump or his top people because no one in the Trump operation would meet with Putin's people. Not that there would have been anything wrong in meeting with Putin's people. The crime this guy pled guilty to was lying to investigators, nothing else. I don't know why he lied. There was nothing to lie about. But there you go. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/30/revealed-london-professor-centre-trumprussia-inquiry-says-have/It is important to note that in the world of facts- nothing Mueller has done so far pertains at all to the Trump campaign. In service of their narrative, Mueller did the best he could. His hasty, indictments allowed them to use some powerful persuasion. The were able to get: TRUMP ASSOCIATE INDICTMENT. FEDERAL CHARGES.and RUSSIA into the headlines. Now, we all know it's complete bull, but it keeps their lunatic fringe base from completely melting down-- which after last weeks series of devastating revelations was a dangerous possibility-- and those words do have an effect on millions of empty-headed "independents" and "swing voters". Probably the most important thing they did was deflect from the Obama, Hillary, Comey, Rosenstein, Mueller Fusion GPS story; and of course the Uranium One story- which Mueller has known about since 2009-- so the announcement of the indictment was at least somewhat self-serving since even the swamp creature WSJ is calling for his head. In reality, though? An investigation has dragged on for eleven months and they had to Al Capone someone and even at that they couldn't get anything related to the campaign? That means they've got nothing. And the plan to lean on Manifort? Well, that only works if there's an actual crime-- which we all know there wasn't. Right now, the Democratic Party is in deep doo doo. They're stalling for time. Between Debbie Wasaman Schultz's and the House IT scandal (where the real hacking took place), the Russian-Hillary Clinton pay to play treasonous Uranium One deal, and the Obama, DNC, Clinton campaign Fusion GPS scandal-- the dots connect themselves. Mueller's job is to distract from this reality for as long as he can to buy them time to shred, Bleach-Bit, or otherwise obstruct and obfuscate long enough to keep the big players out of jail, and prevent the Democratic Party from being exposed for what it is: a subversive organization disguised as a legitimate political party-- or in a best case scenario: a host to a parasitic bunch of subversives that have attached themselves to it.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Oct 31, 2017 8:56:14 GMT -5
Clovis... seriously, you can’t make this shit up. I'm missing the reference to "clovis" here. All that springs to mind are the stone spear point and arrow heads by the Clovis people...
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Post by dezii on Oct 31, 2017 9:02:01 GMT -5
Paul Manafort. It is reported he has been told to surrender. No public arrest or perp walk for the media The other winner- the London Professor in Mueller's indictment of the 29-year-old unpaid volunteer to the Trump campaign denies all the allegations in Mueller's document. It looks like this Papadopoulos character (who was an unpaid volunteer with no standing or status at the campaign whatsoever) was trying to worm his way into the campaign by making fantastical claims about knowing Russian agents who had dirt on Hillary. Putin's people, meanwhile, were trying to use this guy to meet with Trump or his top people because no one in the Trump operation would meet with Putin's people. Not that there would have been anything wrong in meeting with Putin's people. The crime this guy pled guilty to was lying to investigators, nothing else. I don't know why he lied. There was nothing to lie about. But there you go. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/30/revealed-london-professor-centre-Trumprussia-inquiry-says-have/It is important to note that in the world of facts- nothing Mueller has done so far pertains at all to the Trump campaign. In service of their narrative, Mueller did the best he could. His hasty, indictments allowed them to use some powerful persuasion. The were able to get: Trump ASSOCIATE INDICTMENT. FEDERAL CHARGES.and RUSSIA into the headlines. Now, we all know it's complete bull, but it keeps their lunatic fringe base from completely melting down-- which after last weeks series of devastating revelations was a dangerous possibility-- and those words do have an effect on millions of empty-headed "independents" and "swing voters". Probably the most important thing they did was deflect from the Obama, Hillary, Comey, Rosenstein, Mueller Fusion GPS story; and of course the Uranium One story- which Mueller has known about since 2009-- so the announcement of the indictment was at least somewhat self-serving since even the swamp creature WSJ is calling for his head. In reality, though? An investigation has dragged on for eleven months and they had to Al Capone someone and even at that they couldn't get anything related to the campaign? That means they've got nothing. And the plan to lean on Manifort? Well, that only works if there's an actual crime-- which we all know there wasn't. Right now, the Democratic Party is in deep doo doo. They're stalling for time. Between Debbie Wasaman Schultz's and the House IT scandal (where the real hacking took place), the Russian-Hillary Clinton pay to play treasonous Uranium One deal, and the Obama, DNC, Clinton campaign Fusion GPS scandal-- the dots connect themselves. Mueller's job is to distract from this reality for as long as he can to buy them time to shred, Bleach-Bit, or otherwise obstruct and obfuscate long enough to keep the big players out of jail, and prevent the Democratic Party from being exposed for what it is: a subversive organization disguised as a legitimate political party-- or in a best case scenario: a host to a parasitic bunch of subversives that have attached themselves to it. " The crime this guy pled guilty to was lying to investigators, nothing else. I don't know why he lied. There was nothing to lie about. But there you go. "I am guessing it is a big deal to some...lying to FBI ...believe can lead to long prison terms..also seems to have upset our Donald big time...rumor is he broke a window in oval office and they are bullet proof..[ that rumor has not been confirmed ]
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Post by swamp on Oct 31, 2017 9:04:57 GMT -5
Does indicting him count?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 9:06:01 GMT -5
He lied about colluding with Russia... lmao.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 9:35:14 GMT -5
“Mueller's team controlled the selection of facts in the Papadoupolous plea. Three messages, at least, shaped their choice,” author and former Post reporter Barton Gellman explained in a series of tweets: “One: Mueller knows things, some of them about Russia, and has proof. He's warning other campaign witnesses against perjury. Two: He's not saying exactly what he knows or how. Uncertainty there inspires dread, may flush out evidence he doesn't even know about. Three: Early cooperation will save you from the worst. Mueller could have taken a lot harsher approach to the Papadopoulos facts. Classic leverage … He may know what you're hiding. He'll scorch you & yours if you lie. Spill and he'll go easier. Don't wait too long.” www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2017/10/31/daily-202-10-takeaways-from-mueller-s-shock-and-awe-gambit/59f778d330fb0468e7653ee5/?utm_term=.5cd4e5685351
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Oct 31, 2017 9:37:23 GMT -5
Paul Manafort. It is reported he has been told to surrender. No public arrest or perp walk for the media The other winner- the London Professor in Mueller's indictment of the 29-year-old unpaid volunteer to the Trump campaign denies all the allegations in Mueller's document. It looks like this Papadopoulos character (who was an unpaid volunteer with no standing or status at the campaign whatsoever) was trying to worm his way into the campaign by making fantastical claims about knowing Russian agents who had dirt on Hillary. Putin's people, meanwhile, were trying to use this guy to meet with Trump or his top people because no one in the Trump operation would meet with Putin's people. Not that there would have been anything wrong in meeting with Putin's people. The crime this guy pled guilty to was lying to investigators, nothing else. I don't know why he lied. There was nothing to lie about. But there you go. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/30/revealed-london-professor-centre-Trumprussia-inquiry-says-have/It is important to note that in the world of facts- nothing Mueller has done so far pertains at all to the Trump campaign. In service of their narrative, Mueller did the best he could. His hasty, indictments allowed them to use some powerful persuasion. The were able to get: Trump ASSOCIATE INDICTMENT. FEDERAL CHARGES.and RUSSIA into the headlines. Now, we all know it's complete bull, but it keeps their lunatic fringe base from completely melting down-- which after last weeks series of devastating revelations was a dangerous possibility-- and those words do have an effect on millions of empty-headed "independents" and "swing voters". Probably the most important thing they did was deflect from the Obama, Hillary, Comey, Rosenstein, Mueller Fusion GPS story; and of course the Uranium One story- which Mueller has known about since 2009-- so the announcement of the indictment was at least somewhat self-serving since even the swamp creature WSJ is calling for his head. In reality, though? An investigation has dragged on for eleven months and they had to Al Capone someone and even at that they couldn't get anything related to the campaign? That means they've got nothing. And the plan to lean on Manifort? Well, that only works if there's an actual crime-- which we all know there wasn't. Right now, the Democratic Party is in deep doo doo. They're stalling for time. Between Debbie Wasaman Schultz's and the House IT scandal (where the real hacking took place), the Russian-Hillary Clinton pay to play treasonous Uranium One deal, and the Obama, DNC, Clinton campaign Fusion GPS scandal-- the dots connect themselves. Mueller's job is to distract from this reality for as long as he can to buy them time to shred, Bleach-Bit, or otherwise obstruct and obfuscate long enough to keep the big players out of jail, and prevent the Democratic Party from being exposed for what it is: a subversive organization disguised as a legitimate political party-- or in a best case scenario: a host to a parasitic bunch of subversives that have attached themselves to it. Wait a tic.....where is the "ONLY" thread you will discuss Russia/trump collusion on?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 9:41:16 GMT -5
Mueller, hasty, lmao...
papodopolous ... who Trump brought up in an interview, called an adviser and used the word excellent? Lmao.
Spin more and you’ll have to file reports on your own wake.
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