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Post by Mrs. Dinero on Jun 30, 2017 5:52:17 GMT -5
Pretty sure people will see "What the Health?" documentary and drastically decrease their consumption of meat and dairy. I hope so anyway. There has to be a better way to feed the world. We cannot sustain this way of living. Not enough resources in the long run.
Please watch the documentary (available on Netflix) and let's talk about possible money and resources saved if consumer behaviors change.
Health benefits alone could be a game changer.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jun 30, 2017 6:36:40 GMT -5
But . ..but.... BACON!!!
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Post by gs11rmb on Jun 30, 2017 8:46:01 GMT -5
Just yesterday I was posting on the Get Fit thread about how my doctor had recommended meat no more than once a week because of the link between high meat consumption and cancer. I'm eating much more than that right now, trying to shift the last 10 lbs I need to lose. I'm going to try to cut back to once a week when I hit my goal weight but I'm concerned the weight will just slowly return.
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Post by giramomma on Jun 30, 2017 9:27:08 GMT -5
I dunno. We're a family of 5. Our grocery bills run about 500-550 or so a month. So I'm sure how much more we can save. This is like USDA thrifty plan for us is almost 750/month.
We treat meat like a side dish for the most part. We have red meat like twice a month. And then it's chicken or turkey. We have brats once a month or so and pork once a month or so. We have bacon like twice a year. Usually Christmas and Mother's day.
I think it's different when you have kids. My 13 yo DS won't stay full eating salads and apples all day long. He just won't. He needs some protein to keep him full. And he's not a complete lover of beans. Personally, I'd rather have him eat some meat than over-indulge on carbs to fill up.
And when you start looking at ways to incorporate plant based protein into your diet, that can get pretty expensive. DD1 is a vegetarian and also very active. I found noodles made out of chick peas for her that she loves. One container is $7...serving size is two meals...but with her, she can get three out of them.
While we made trade in some costs (like lower health bills to less cancer), we're going to incur other ones..like the costs of having a larger portion of your population living longer. We can't figure out a cost-effective way of caring for the elderly as it is now....I don't think it's going to get better in the future.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jun 30, 2017 9:44:18 GMT -5
If I don't eat meat, then I'm having some sort of cheese or carb. If I have too much of that, I will gain weight and have other health issues. I cannot get full on just fruits and veggies, and buying the vegetarian alternative to meat is not feasible with my income and financial obligations. My son is not supposed to eat a ton of carbs - he is supposed to have lots of protein, fiber, fruits, and vegetables. Milk is still important at his age (almost 6). He is ADHD and very active - just fruits and veggies aren't going to cut it.
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Post by giramomma on Jun 30, 2017 9:54:36 GMT -5
If I don't eat meat, then I'm having some sort of cheese or carb. If I have too much of that, I will gain weight and have other health issues. I cannot get full on just fruits and veggies, a nd buying the vegetarian alternative to meat is not feasible with my income and financial obligations. My son is not supposed to eat a ton of carbs - he is supposed to have lots of protein, fiber, fruits, and vegetables. Milk is still important at his age (almost 6). He is ADHD and very active - just fruits and veggies aren't going to cut it. Right, and about 7-8 years ago, they decided that eating too much soy products could be a bad thing. And then eggs were good...and then bad...and now I think they are good again? It gets confusing about what one is supposed to eat and what one is not supposed to eat. We just shoot for eating as little processed foods as possible, getting the proper amount of fruits/veggies in and eliminating as much sugar as we can (including reading every label to make sure there is no HFCS in things like bread and condiments). And making sure the kids are active. I think that's about the best anyone can do. I don't have time for tv...but I'm wondering if that show also addressed the amount of sugars in our diet, and how that can increase your risk for cancer.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Jun 30, 2017 9:57:28 GMT -5
I think people, in general, eat way too much meat. The idea people can only drop the meat once a week (Meatless mondays) seems crazy to me.
We can use a single chicken breast for a family of 3 and stretch it for 6 meals (3 dinners, 3 lunches) by not making meat the star of the show. If we do something like 'chicken' enchiladas, I add lots of beans and veggies to the enchilada mix and make it stretch. Same with other meals. One small package of ground beef in a huge pot of lentil soup or shredded chicken breast in a quinoa bowl. It's more like topping than the main ingredient.
Dairy is harder for me. I understand similar sustainability problems arise, but I love eggs and cheese. Animals aren't being killed for their products. And if you don't eat meat, dairy is a great way to get the protein you need. I'm an endurance athlete and I need lots of protein so this is always a sticking point for me.
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Post by giramomma on Jun 30, 2017 10:02:56 GMT -5
We can use a single chicken breast for a family of 3 and stretch it for 6 meals (3 dinners, 3 lunches) by not making meat the star of the show. If we do something like 'chicken' enchiladas, I add lots of beans and veggies to the enchilada mix and make it stretch. Same with other meals. One small package of ground beef in a huge pot of lentil soup or shredded chicken breast in a quinoa bowl. It's more like topping than the main ingredient. I was thinking about this. DH has a recipe for one pot spaghetti. He puts 3/4 of turkey in there. We get 6 or so meals out of it. Four dinners and then 2ish lunches.
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Post by Mrs. Dinero on Jun 30, 2017 10:08:32 GMT -5
Vegetables, lentils, beans, nuts, soy, and whole grains can help replace meat/dairy protein in your diet. thedailyraw.com/but-where-do-you-get-your-vegan-protein/"The other thing that is so misconstrued in media is the amount of protein we need daily. The fact is we don't need that much, you won't wither away and lose all your muscle if you don't pack it in. I know many who thrive on an 80/10/10 lifestyle (which is 80% carbohydrates, 10% fat and 10% protein). Some of those people are the fittest healthiest people I've ever come across, including body builders and professional athletes" Every issue for decreasing or eliminating meat and dairy is addressed in the documentary. Has anyone watched the documentary? I'm not trying to sell the vegan lifestyle but I do hope meat & dairy consumption decrease over time for many reasons.
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Post by Mrs. Dinero on Jun 30, 2017 10:21:03 GMT -5
"I'm an endurance athlete and I need lots of protein so this is always a sticking point for me." one of the vegan athletes in documentary is 1 of 2 guys who did 5 iron mans in less than a week.
Every issue for decreasing or eliminating meat and dairy is addressed in the documentary.
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Post by giramomma on Jun 30, 2017 10:25:05 GMT -5
Vegetables, lentils, beans, nuts, soy, and whole grains can help replace meat/dairy protein in your diet. thedailyraw.com/but-where-do-you-get-your-vegan-protein/"The other thing that is so misconstrued in media is the amount of protein we need daily. The fact is we don't need that much, you won't wither away and lose all your muscle if you don't pack it in. I know many who thrive on an 80/10/10 lifestyle (which is 80% carbohydrates, 10% fat and 10% protein). Some of those people are the fittest healthiest people I've ever come across, including body builders and professional athletes" Every issue for decreasing or eliminating meat and dairy is addressed in the documentary. Has anyone watched the documentary? I'm not trying to sell the vegan lifestyle but I do hope meat & dairy consumption decrease over time for many reasons. Right. But when you have a kid that won't eat lentils, some beans, and quinoa what do you do? We don't have enough slack in our budget to introduce these foods eleventy billion times so that they "like" them. You are preaching to the choir. We understand all this stuff. We even impressed our pediatrician with our knowledge of veggie foods...and how to feed our child. My vegetarian child won't even eat quinoa. Fruits and veggies don't keep her full very long when she's doing things like training/running 5Ks.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Jun 30, 2017 10:27:10 GMT -5
I don't particularly like meat, but it keep me feeling fuller a whole lot longer. I am going to look into how to cook many more veggies, though.
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Post by Mrs. Dinero on Jun 30, 2017 10:27:44 GMT -5
I don't have a solution for selective eaters or children's diets. I am referring to the sick adult population that should consider eliminating meat and dairy.
Decreasing consumption would be a win-win for everyone minus these industries.
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Post by Opti on Jun 30, 2017 10:28:11 GMT -5
"I'm an endurance athlete and I need lots of protein so this is always a sticking point for me." one of the vegan athletes in documentary is 1 of 2 guys who did 5 iron mans in less than a week. Every issue for decreasing or eliminating meat and dairy is addressed in the documentary. Some people do well on a vegan diet and some don't. I do not think meat will ever be eliminated totally, nor should it.
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Post by Mrs. Dinero on Jun 30, 2017 10:32:26 GMT -5
I am not saying everyone should eliminate. We all should be trying to decrease our consumption. Has anyone seen the documentary? Anyone?
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jun 30, 2017 10:35:28 GMT -5
Can't watch the documentary, as I don't have Netflix. However, as some one who chooses carbs carefully for blood sugar control (I'm not diabetic, and like to stay that way), there has to be a balance. I already do eat a lot of veggies, but they don't sate me like meat does.
Over the years, I have seen sodium, full fat dairy, butter, eggs and a plethora of other foods go out of vogue because they were going to kill me. For the most part, science has reversed itself. So at this point, ultimately I am going to eat something bad for me over my lifespan, according to science. Isn't it better to eat most things in moderation, than to jump on these bandwagons.....only to find out in 10 years they were wrong?
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Post by tractor on Jun 30, 2017 10:36:09 GMT -5
I love meat and use it as a major contributor to my high protein diet. Try to stick with lean cuts or wild game, but even that's hard to do. I drink more milk than water.
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Post by Opti on Jun 30, 2017 10:37:15 GMT -5
Just yesterday I was posting on the Get Fit thread about how my doctor had recommended meat no more than once a week because of the link between high meat consumption and cancer. I'm eating much more than that right now, trying to shift the last 10 lbs I need to lose. I'm going to try to cut back to once a week when I hit my goal weight but I'm concerned the weight will just slowly return. Does your doctor define meat as anything beef, pork, or lamb or is it a more expanded definition?
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Post by megaptera on Jun 30, 2017 10:47:02 GMT -5
I am not saying everyone should eliminate. We all should be trying to decrease our consumption. Has anyone seen the documentary? Anyone? I just started watching, but will have to finish it later. Pretty interesting information. I think the documentary "Forks Over Knives" promotes a similar diet(?) The documentary "Food, Inc." from almost 10 years ago is very good also. If I remember right, it suggests animal products from healthy animals is good. This is what my family tries to do. We buy a half grass-fed/finished cow from a small local farm every year. The cow is slaughtered by a mobile unit on the farm, so it literally lives its entire life on the farm. We buy raw milk from a local small dairy. I realize this isn't feasible for everyone, it's just what works for us. We also add as many fruits and veggies and other plant products (beans, etc.) as we can too. And like Penguin said, everything in moderation.
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Post by Mrs. Dinero on Jun 30, 2017 10:47:13 GMT -5
The documentary is full of research to back up the theory that meat & dairy is tied to diabetes, cancer, heart disease, and dementia. Even the grass fed contribute.
Big pharma, meat and dairy industries come out with their own "studies" to keep you consuming.
I hear all of you. I was wondering if this documentary was funded by another big industry. I have my doubts too. This goes against what we've been told.
Regardless, I myself am going to try to eat as little meat, dairy, processed, and added sugar as possible. Going to eat whole food. It's not going to hurt.
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Post by souldoubt on Jun 30, 2017 10:49:35 GMT -5
Over the years, I have seen sodium, full fat dairy, butter, eggs and a plethora of other foods go out of vogue because they were going to kill me. For the most part, science has reversed itself. So at this point, ultimately I am going to eat something bad for me over my lifespan, according to science. Isn't it better to eat most things in moderation, than to jump on these bandwagons.....only to find out in 10 years they were wrong? Same song, 92 verse. Well said. Every year there's some new fad people swear by and ultimately 99% of them are found out to be bad for you or have side effects. Most people have weight issues because as a society we eat a lot more than our parents and grand parents did while it's more processed foods. I remember years ago coming across an article showing how some food items have increased in size while the average bagel was like 50% bigger. Make healthier choices, eat slower, eat less and move more.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Jun 30, 2017 10:51:00 GMT -5
I've been a pescetarian/mainly vegetarian for 20 years and I have no issue with satiety, getting enough protein, not eating too many carbs, etc. We spend no more than $90/week on groceries for two adults. My husband does eat meat a few times a week, but since I do the majority of the cooking (and he doesn't like fish) that means his dinners are vegetarian. We are both active people. I do have Netflix so I will check out that documentary while I am on vacation for the next 10 days. 😎
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Post by phil5185 on Jun 30, 2017 10:51:39 GMT -5
I haven't seen "What the Health?", sounds interesting. At first glance it sounds like many modern theories that shoot us from from one extreme to the other. The Malthus Theory, 1800, pointed out that populations grew exponentially and the world food supply grew only arithmetically - and the cross-over point was coming up fast. But science/modern agriculture/technology innovated rapidly and avoided shortages - maybe to an extreme - ie, obesity, diabetes, etc.
Eg, when I was a kid, we grew corn that yielded about 50 bushels per acre (if it didn't blow down, dry out, get root rot first), now we get 200 bu/acre. And there are more acres - irrigation has made dryland productive. And hybrid seed made it possible to raise corn that matures in only 90 days so that corn can be grown as far north as the ND & Canada. Plus modern corn plants are drought resistant, root-rot resistant, strong stalks that are wind/hail resistant - so crop failure is now a rare occurrence (all provided by the universally hated Monsanto company, lol). These innovations are typical thru-out food production - beef growers, hog producers, chickens, eggs, cotton, hay, etc.
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Post by Mrs. Dinero on Jun 30, 2017 10:53:36 GMT -5
Please watch it. I would love to hear from you all.
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Post by megaptera on Jun 30, 2017 10:54:10 GMT -5
The documentary is full of research to back up the theory that meat & dairy causes diabetes, cancer, heart disease, and dementia. Even the grass fed contribute. Big pharma, meat and dairy industries come out with their own "studies" to keep you consuming. I hear all of you. I was wondering if this documentary was funded by another big industry. I have my doubts too. This goes against what we've been told. Regardless, I myself am going to try to eat as little meat, dairy, processed, and added sugar as possible. Going to eat whole food. It's not going to hurt. You might check out "Forks Over Knives" from 2011. It's on Netflix also. Also, "The China Study" (book), about the benefits of a plant-based diet.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jun 30, 2017 10:55:59 GMT -5
The documentary is full of research to back up the theory that meat & dairy causes diabetes, cancer, heart disease, and dementia. Even the grass fed contribute. Big pharma, meat and dairy industries come out with their own "studies" to keep you consuming. I hear all of you. I was wondering if this documentary was funded by another big industry. I have my doubts too. This goes against what we've been told. Regardless, I myself am going to try to eat as little meat, dairy, processed, and added sugar as possible. Going to eat whole food. It's not going to hurt. It is hard to know who has funded it, but I'd be checking this out too to see if there is an alternative agenda. Science has made links with red meat consumption and some cancers, and the research is stronger for processed meats (bacon, sausage, etc.). However, the biological plausibility is kind of sketchy IMO. They talk about the bad issue being the heme from animals, but this makes absolutely no sense because most people have heme in their gut as a breakdown of their own red blood cells. Hmmmm......this makes no sense to me. And the quick perusal of the literature that I saw out there was that there is a 17% increase in colon cancer from processed meats (5.6 cases/1000 vs 6.1) but red meat wasn't clear.
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Post by Mrs. Dinero on Jun 30, 2017 11:00:05 GMT -5
One of the most interesting points (for me) was our anatomy. We are not created like other omnivores like I had always thought. It's just fascinating.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jun 30, 2017 11:01:27 GMT -5
The documentary is full of research to back up the theory that meat & dairy causes diabetes, cancer, heart disease, and dementia. Even the grass fed contribute. Big pharma, meat and dairy industries come out with their own "studies" to keep you consuming. I hear all of you. I was wondering if this documentary was funded by another big industry. I have my doubts too. This goes against what we've been told. Regardless, I myself am going to try to eat as little meat, dairy, processed, and added sugar as possible. Going to eat whole food. It's not going to hurt. there may be a correlation between meat and dairy and the ailments you mentioned, but I'm extremely skeptical of the validity of this documentary if they outright say "meat/cheese causes cancer". I already don't eat a ton of meat and can easily go a day or two without meat. But I don't have it in my budget (nor do I have the time) to buy 3x the amount of veggies I already eat and prepare them into something DS and I will happily eat. I get the leanest meats I can - mostly chicken and lean ground turkey. Lean beef when on sale. Chicken breasts are usually used in something like a chili or soup so it's stretched. Beef and ground turkey are used as meatballs and taco meat. DS will not eat beans and many other vegetables, but overall his eating habits are alright. I will continue to try to expose him to new foods, but no way am I going to drastically change his diet. I can pull out some more of my vegetarian recipes and start having more of those meals, but I will likely have meat a few times a week. I exercise regularly, don't do drugs, don't drink much, and try not to eat too horribly.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jun 30, 2017 11:04:19 GMT -5
I've been a pescetarian/mainly vegetarian for 20 years and I have no issue with satiety, getting enough protein, not eating too many carbs, etc. We spend no more than $90/week on groceries for two adults. My husband does eat meat a few times a week, but since I do the majority of the cooking (and he doesn't like fish) that means his dinners are vegetarian. We are both active people. I do have Netflix so I will check out that documentary while I am on vacation for the next 10 days. 😎 I don't understand how fish isn't considered meat. I have never understood that. For me, if you are eating an animal, it's meat. Being a pescetarian definitely won't work for me as I hate most seafood.
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Post by Tiny on Jun 30, 2017 11:05:59 GMT -5
We can use a single chicken breast for a family of 3 and stretch it for 6 meals (3 dinners, 3 lunches) by not making meat the star of the show. Define "single chicken breast".
I've purchased "mutant" chicken breasts that were nearly 20 ounces each (if you count both sides as "one" - then you would have 40ounces or so of meat. )
I've also purchased Normal sized chicken breasts that were between 3 and 5 ounces.
Considering the standard serving of "meat" is 3 to 4 ounces for an Adult - I'm assuming you are stretching 1 to 1.5 pound chicken breast and NOT a 3 to 4 ounce one.
Also, do you mean serving when you say meal? Is a dinner serving 1 person or 3? Are you getting 6 servings from the chix breast OR 18 servings from the chix breast?
(FWIW: if I'm stuck buying mutant chicken breasts (16 to 24 ounces each) I break them down into 4 ounce servings - so 4 to 6 servings from a single one. A single mutant chix breast gets me a week of dinners.
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