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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jul 1, 2017 11:11:50 GMT -5
oh - some of you meaty types may want to try the beast burger. Its a veggie burger designed for meat eaters.
It's usually too meaty for my tastes, it's very heavy, 23g protein per patty. Based on peas protein. We do them on the grill or cast iron skillet.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 11:28:52 GMT -5
My body doesn't like peas. Or sweet potatoes, or black beans... sorry. I was meant to be a carnivore. I can be smart about it, but I need lean animal protein.
Now dairy I should definitely live without.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 1, 2017 12:07:31 GMT -5
Ah. Got it. I thought she eschewed regular noodles because she's a vegetarian.
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Post by phil5185 on Jul 1, 2017 12:08:54 GMT -5
Agreed. I'm more concerned about how many false starts man-kind will go thru to protect our planet - I'm certain that we will do it, but the waiting time for a consensus of civilization will be tortuous for us. Eg, right now the public is in love with solar - so our politicians are forced to heed that cry to stay in office and direct our subsidy money to solar. If solar is the wrong answer, we have just wasted 15 years of R& and spent $30B/yr on it. Conversely, if nuclear plants (despised by the public) are the true answer, we have just spent 30 years without licensing new plants. And w/o doing the R& to upgrade to generation-2 super-safe modern reactors.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 1, 2017 15:14:31 GMT -5
I keep forgetting about beans. I'll eat lentil soup but otherwise not a big lentil fan. There is this really good 3 bean Mexican salad that I haven't made in forever - that will be a good batch meal for me this week. DS will NOT touch beans, so pasta and meatballs it is. Also, if we stop farming cows, they will most likely die out. Ironic right?
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 1, 2017 15:22:56 GMT -5
I keep forgetting about beans. I'll eat lentil soup but otherwise not a big lentil fan. There is this really good 3 bean Mexican salad that I haven't made in forever - that will be a good batch meal for me this week. DS will NOT touch beans, so pasta and meatballs it is. Also, if we stop farming cows, they will most likely die out. Ironic right? No they won't. People will still breed them for milk and cheese.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 1, 2017 15:27:09 GMT -5
oh - some of you meaty types may want to try the beast burger. Its a veggie burger designed for meat eaters. Or we can eat...you know... beef burgers
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 1, 2017 15:31:33 GMT -5
I keep forgetting about beans. I'll eat lentil soup but otherwise not a big lentil fan. There is this really good 3 bean Mexican salad that I haven't made in forever - that will be a good batch meal for me this week. DS will NOT touch beans, so pasta and meatballs it is. Also, if we stop farming cows, they will most likely die out. Ironic right? No they won't. People will still breed them for milk and cheese. Not if people consume less or no milk and cheese.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 1, 2017 15:37:01 GMT -5
No they won't. People will still breed them for milk and cheese. Not if people consume less or no milk and cheese. Even if they consume less, cows will not become extinct.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 1, 2017 16:26:58 GMT -5
No they won't. People will still breed them for milk and cheese. Not if people consume less or no milk and cheese. No cheese? Nope.
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Post by phil5185 on Jul 1, 2017 16:51:01 GMT -5
From my post #49 -
If we 100% quit consuming dairy and meat, cattle (both dairy and beef) will die out - farmers cannot keep herds of cattle just for fun, it costs several $1000s / yr to feed them. And domestic dairy cows and domestic beef cattle cannot survive in the wild like deer and elk.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 1, 2017 17:00:50 GMT -5
I don't think we'll ever quit milk and cheese.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 2, 2017 8:50:46 GMT -5
They'll eventually discover that rat milk can be produced at half the cost and 1/4 the carbon footprint, and the future of dairy shall be born.
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Post by giramomma on Jul 2, 2017 9:02:16 GMT -5
No one has also addressed the issue of food deserts within urban areas, too.
I live in an urban area, the better the neighborhood, the more grocery stores you have access to, even by foot. We can get to 4 grocery stores in about 5 minutes, by car. Used to be 5. One is accessible even on bus lines. We also have farmers markets up the wazoo.
The poorer the neighborhood, the less options you have for grocery stores/fresh food/etc.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jul 2, 2017 9:25:19 GMT -5
No one has also addressed the issue of food deserts within urban areas, too. I live in an urban area, the better the neighborhood, the more grocery stores you have access to, even by foot. We can get to 4 grocery stores in about 5 minutes, by car. Used to be 5. One is accessible even on bus lines. We also have farmers markets up the wazoo. The poorer the neighborhood, the less options you have for grocery stores/fresh food/etc. this guy is taking it on.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 2, 2017 9:54:55 GMT -5
They'll eventually discover that rat milk can be produced at half the cost and 1/4 the carbon footprint, and the future of dairy shall be born. Never! I've milked rats, and what they produce won't fill a thimble.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2017 10:06:40 GMT -5
Goats are more efficient milkers than cows in the feed to gallons produced ratio, but you still have to milk 300 of them to get the same milk as out of 100 cows so there's a lot more work involved to get it.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 2, 2017 10:14:10 GMT -5
They'll eventually discover that rat milk can be produced at half the cost and 1/4 the carbon footprint, and the future of dairy shall be born. Never! I've milked rats, and what they produce won't fill a thimble. Sure. Before they're genetically engineered.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 2, 2017 10:37:43 GMT -5
Never! I've milked rats, and what they produce won't fill a thimble. Sure. Before they're genetically engineered. Hmmm, rats as big as cows. I'm just trying to visualize how well this would go over.....
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 2, 2017 15:50:54 GMT -5
Can vegans taste the same things as the rest of us?
Perhaps people drawn to veganism aren't actually able to taste the same things as the rest of us. Or maybe the opposite: perhaps they can taste things we simply can't?
I ask because there seems to be a complete ignorance (or possibly denial) among vegans that vegan protein-rich food generally tastes like crap. Vegan restaurants: eaten there many times (BIL is a vegan), tried many exotic dishes. The food is colourful, expensive, beautiful to look at, and tastes like crap. Veggie burgers: I've had dozens of varieties. Crap. Tofu and seitan: I've had a few good stirfries, among countless mediocre dishes, and the stirfries would have tasted better with meat. Veggie chicken nuggets: I've had one variety that was passable if they were drenched in BBQ sauce.
Unsweetened almond milk: cannot stand the stuff. Sweetened almost milk: tastes sweet, and I don't want sweet milk.
Vegan baked goods: not fit to be consumed by man. "Decent, with a weird aftertaste" at their absolute best.
Vegan BBQ skewers: delicious, except for the hideous taste and texture of whatever the protein component happens to be.
I've had a few vegan dishes I'd rank as delicious: a vegan strawberry milkshake, some delicious stirfries, some stuffed potatoes, and some curries. Contrast this to hundreds or possibly thousands of vegan foods I'd rank anywhere from "inedible" to "about as enjoyable as plain oatmeal".
If anyone here wants to make a billion dollars--I'm not kidding--find a group of people for whom 95%+ of current vegan protein dishes taste like crap (the people who can/can't taste the same things I do), figure out an inexpensive way of creating dishes such that this group can tolerate 60% or more of them, and open a fast food chain based on these dishes. It'll be your license to print money. No anti-meat/dairy propaganda necessary.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 2, 2017 15:57:44 GMT -5
I've had some unbelievably good vegan Indian dishes.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 2, 2017 16:09:47 GMT -5
"I've had some unbelievably good vegan X dishes."
I've heard this for every X you can imagine: Indian, German, lasagna, stuffed pepper, faux lobster, you name it. Yet no restaurants prepare them and no supermarkets market them.
Make your first billion, Weltz. Take all the "unbelievably good" protein-rich vegan dishes you've come across, send them to me, I'll assess whether they taste like crap or not to people in my "taste bracket", and you sell the ones I approve of at a restaurant. It hasn't been done yet. You'll be the richest woman in all of Canada.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 2, 2017 16:16:52 GMT -5
We already have SO many vegan restaurants here. I'm not likely to make a million, never mind a billion.
Besides, once I have the restaurant set up, construction will start in that neighbourhood, blocking access to parking and the front door, Many have lost their shirts over this.
Poured their hearts, souls and life savings into it, only to have access blocked, and having to declare bankruptcy.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 2, 2017 16:24:59 GMT -5
We already have SO many vegan restaurants here. I'm not likely to make a million, never mind a billion. You'll have your secret weapon: me. I can tell you which delicious vegan foods taste like crap to the layperson. We'll pick only the universally edible ones and open up the industry to the world, assuming we can find enough. As I say, it hasn't been done yet. And I'll take a mere 10% cut of the profits.
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Post by dannylion on Jul 2, 2017 16:36:44 GMT -5
There are many wonderful dishes that feature vegetables exclusively. They are meant to be vegetable dishes and are prepared to enhance the flavor and texture of the vegetables they contain. They are delicious and satisfying.
When vegetarian dishes try to mimic omnivore dishes, though, the results are not always entirely successful. Veggie burgers, for example, are generally not a suitable replacement for their meaty counterparts. It is not so much that they taste bad; they just don't taste or behave like meaty burgers. Vegetarian cuisine might be more successful if the ingredients that were used to mimic non-vegetarian cuisine were instead used in a manner that allowed them to be themselves rather than trying to approximate something else. Veggie burgers often contain mushrooms, nuts, chickpeas, beans, and other wonderful things that could be prepared in a different way to create a sandwich that could be very appealing. I would like to try that kind of sandwich whereas I would avoid the typical veggie burger.
I'm not sure there is anything that would make me think "Tofu, yum!" though.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jul 2, 2017 16:42:37 GMT -5
I've had a few vegan dishes I'd rank as delicious: a vegan strawberry milkshake, some delicious stirfries, some stuffed potatoes, and some curries. Contrast this to hundreds or possibly thousands of vegan foods I'd rank anywhere from "inedible" to "about as enjoyable as plain oatmeal". Is this that difficult to figure out? If it can be done, then those that aren't done well are user error. IMO: Many people try to do too many things - vegan, low fat, low sodium, whole grain, etc. If the only goal is to taste good, then it becomes more possible. I won't cook vegan recipes I find on the internet - unless it is something like indian with a wide cultural tradition of vegetarian cuisine. I wasted too much good ingredients, followed recipes exactly, and got crap out of it. I make vegan, gluten free pumpkin pies for thxgiving. They are fantastic, most of the time.....I follow paula deans pie crust recipe, and make my substitutions, and the libby pumpkin label filling, ditto. Even when I am making with my backyard grown pumpkins, I just make my own puree and then proceed. I've bought organic, vegan pumpkin pies at whole foods. (pre gluten free days). I was like thank god, I don't have to do that from scratch anymore - they were crap. I can't even figure out how they could be so dry and tasteless, but they were. I wonder if - honestly - if there are people taking advantage by putting together/organizing a business model whereby they just sell these terrible pies (or whatever) for a limited time and make a quick buck before everyone is "never again" with their company. Since I haven't used a vegan recipe off the internet in many years, maybe it's changed - but I honestly felt that some of these the people were just thinking of a recipe and never made it to see how tasteless it was. But then again, I have a relative in law that loves to host. A lot of really not very good food. My parents went home from thxgiving once hungry....they couldn't eat the turkey.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 2, 2017 16:54:19 GMT -5
IMO: Many people try to do too many things - vegan, low fat, low sodium, whole grain, etc. If the only goal is to taste good, then it becomes more possible. Yes, this a big one. I note that many of the places here that have vegan options tend to pile those together with gluten-free, low fat, etc. so that you're either getting all or nothing. The bottom line is that documentaries like this aren't going to change anyone's behaviour. Behaviour will change when somebody figures out how to mass market inexpensive, filling, protein-rich, carb-poor vegan foods that don't take an hour to prepare and that taste as good or better (not "just about as good") than the versions with meat, cheese, eggs, dairy, etc. I don't know if it's possible, but if it is, you'll have a massive reduction in the amount of meat people eat.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 2, 2017 16:54:53 GMT -5
My body doesn't like peas. Or sweet potatoes, or black beans... sorry. I was meant to be a carnivore. I can be smart about it, but I need lean animal protein. Now dairy I should definitely live without.I couldn't live without my fromage.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 2, 2017 17:26:05 GMT -5
I used that link to help me pan fry tofu last night..... SUCCESS! I had a delicious tofu, pepper, and onion stir fry with Thai peanut sauce, all served over brown rice. Delicioso!
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 2, 2017 17:26:49 GMT -5
Lol, it was really really good since I said delicious twice!
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