hoops902
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Post by hoops902 on Jun 15, 2017 15:09:49 GMT -5
Fair enough. In general I don't like the idea of judges actually having that power to begin with. I think that lends itself to a lot of subjective interpretation that nobody is ever held responsible for (I realize judges do this a lot because they have to, I just think it's different when one party is a minor who may not actually have much representation for their own true best interests). I have some of the same feelings about how we investigate immigration-related marriages, and people trying to figure out if 2 other people really love one another. I don't want judges/investigators making legal decisions based on their interpretation of other people's feelings. And for me it is a matter of in 999,999,999 cases out of 1,000,000,000 is shouldn't happen but having it as a possibility for that one case makes it worth not outlawing. Isn't that pretty much what all laws are like though? Or are you in favor of not having any laws? You can find a one-in-a-million scenario for pretty much everything...having laws which allow harm to come to individuals in lots of cases, but which allow a 1/million legitimate case to proceed doesn't seem like a very good law IMO.
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thyme4change
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 15, 2017 16:33:44 GMT -5
Getting the parents to sign off so you can diddle a 14 year old girl (most likely in exchange for some consideration) is culturally acceptable and the government has no business stopping it.
Two 35 year old men who have been together for 10 years and want the legal protections of marriage is a disgrace that will destroy the sanctity of marriage.
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billisonboard
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 15, 2017 20:56:44 GMT -5
And for me it is a matter of in 999,999,999 cases out of 1,000,000,000 is shouldn't happen but having it as a possibility for that one case makes it worth not outlawing. Isn't that pretty much what all laws are like though? Or are you in favor of not having any laws? You can find a one-in-a-million scenario for pretty much everything...having laws which allow harm to come to individuals in lots of cases, but which allow a 1/million legitimate case to proceed doesn't seem like a very good law IMO. I agree with the idea that "laws which allow harm to come to individuals in lots of cases" is bad law. I just don't think we are talking about that in this case.
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zibazinski
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 18, 2017 6:44:13 GMT -5
I don't think there's any good reason for someone under 18 to get married. There's no stigma in being an unwed mother now, in fact it brings in money and other benefits. If a couple are in love they can wait until they are of legal age to get married. Both of them.
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Tennesseer
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 18, 2017 7:15:44 GMT -5
While there may be no stigma for adult women to have a child out of wedlock, there still is a stigma for high school students and younger. Take for example the senior high school student from last month who was not allowed to walk down the graduation aisle because her conduct was immoral: the student signed a school pledge not to participate in immoral behavior including having sex. The school probably would never have known about her behavior had she not gotten pregnant. The school she attended is conservative. And I would expect that belief , a teenager is immoral because she is going to be/is now an unwed mother, is still common in many parts of our country Pregnant high school student not allowed to walk at graduation
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billisonboard
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 18, 2017 8:00:44 GMT -5
I don't think there's any good reason for someone under 18 to get married. ... There are a lot of things that people do that I don't think they have a good reason for doing. I also don't think that I should tell them flat out they can't do it because of what I think. If the marriage is a mistake, it isn't really that difficult to fix.
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zibazinski
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 18, 2017 8:03:48 GMT -5
It's expensive to fix that mistake. If there are children involved it's worse.
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zibazinski
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 18, 2017 8:06:11 GMT -5
You aren't telling them they can't get married, you're saying that legally you can't until you are 18. There's a lot of laws I don't agree with but that's not one of them. Besides 18 is like 8 now with the lack of maturity shown in recent years. It used to be you were ready for adult responsibilities now it doesn't.
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billisonboard
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 18, 2017 8:12:54 GMT -5
It's expensive to fix that mistake. If there are children involved it's worse. An uncontested divorce in my state isn't that expensive, particular one in which there are few assets. If there are children involved, custody issues with accompanied expense exist with or without a marriage license.
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billisonboard
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 18, 2017 8:18:10 GMT -5
... Besides 18 is like 8 now with the lack of maturity shown in recent years. It used to be you were ready for adult responsibilities now it doesn't. I think it was the ten miles in the snow up hill both ways that made the difference back in the day.
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zibazinski
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 18, 2017 8:40:27 GMT -5
No, I think it was that we didn't baby our children forever. I'm just as guilty.
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zibazinski
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 18, 2017 8:41:25 GMT -5
It's expensive to fix that mistake. If there are children involved it's worse. An uncontested divorce in my state isn't that expensive, particular one in which there are few assets. If there are children involved, custody issues with accompanied expense exist with or without a marriage license. If you're practically a child even $250 is expensive.
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billisonboard
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 18, 2017 8:55:04 GMT -5
An uncontested divorce in my state isn't that expensive, particular one in which there are few assets. If there are children involved, custody issues with accompanied expense exist with or without a marriage license. If you're practically a child even $250 is expensive. When it important to them, they will find the money. Until they do, they won't be able to marry anyone else.
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