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Post by naughtybear on May 22, 2017 18:27:25 GMT -5
I am so pissed right now.
Two explosions at the Manchester Arena.
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Post by Jaguar on May 22, 2017 18:36:20 GMT -5
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Post by naughtybear on May 22, 2017 18:50:29 GMT -5
Thanks for the links Jaguar, my laptop was giving me issues so I couldn't.
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Post by Jaguar on May 22, 2017 19:00:10 GMT -5
I would imagine with Ariana Grande music that there were lots of tween girls there, this is just bloody terrible. I've seen the concert blast and all I hear are girls screaming.
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Post by Jaguar on May 22, 2017 19:09:42 GMT -5
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Post by Jaguar on May 22, 2017 19:24:27 GMT -5
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Post by Jaguar on May 22, 2017 19:45:26 GMT -5
As many as two blasts happened at the encore of the show, they are saying 19 dead and at least 50 injured, on the radio that I'm listening to for this.
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 22, 2017 20:07:57 GMT -5
I got the alert on my phone around 6:30 or so. I've been glued to Foxnews since. So heartbreaking. I will wait to see who the terrorist was before making any further comments.
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Post by Jaguar on May 22, 2017 20:18:33 GMT -5
There's going to be a news conference from the Manchester authorities at 9 something, I'm thinking 9am Manchester time maybe, which is 4am EST.
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 22, 2017 20:24:31 GMT -5
There's going to be a news conference from the Manchester authorities at 9 something, I'm thinking 9am Manchester time maybe, which is 4am EST. I pray I'm not up at that time! |
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Post by Jaguar on May 22, 2017 21:56:02 GMT -5
We will get all the news tomorrow and every day afterwards about this. The media will kill it, like they do everything else.
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Post by thyme4change on May 22, 2017 22:27:57 GMT -5
It sounds like they have identified the suicide bomber. They aren't saying much. I think they are trying to figure out if he acted alone before putting it all out there. They won't know everything right away, obviously, but they probably have a working theory by now.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 22, 2017 22:54:40 GMT -5
I got the alert on my phone around 6:30 or so. I've been glued to Foxnews since. So heartbreaking. I will wait to see who the terrorist was before making any further comments. Well, it wasn't the Vietnamese or the Scots. Take a wild guess. |
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 23, 2017 5:12:49 GMT -5
I got the alert on my phone around 6:30 or so. I've been glued to Foxnews since. So heartbreaking. I will wait to see who the terrorist was before making any further comments. Well, it wasn't the Vietnamese or the Scots. Take a wild guess. I have no doubt what the terroritsf was. But I will wait for confirmation. |
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Post by mamasita99 on May 23, 2017 5:28:40 GMT -5
Just woke up to this news. Terror, indeed. For the kids and their parents, I don't want to imagine. I have two teenage girls myself and this just makes me ill.
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Post by busymom on May 23, 2017 7:22:46 GMT -5
I have no words for anyone who thinks attacking a concert where young girls would attend is o.k. Hell isn't hot enough for some people. Prayers for the victims & their families.  |
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on May 23, 2017 8:31:44 GMT -5
This is just horrible.
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Post by mmhmm on May 23, 2017 10:14:18 GMT -5
22 confirmed dead, 59 injured. Police have arrested a 23-year-old British man for the crime but couldn't anything else about the guy. This is just heartbreaking. |
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Post by Virgil Showlion on May 23, 2017 10:33:50 GMT -5
22 confirmed dead, 59 injured. Police have arrested a 23-year-old British man for the crime but couldn't anything else about the guy. This is just heartbreaking. I thought it was a suicide bombing. Or is this fellow just implicated in the planning? |
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Post by Virgil Showlion on May 23, 2017 10:41:46 GMT -5
ISIS is now claiming "credit". Why is it that these " brave soldiers of the Caliphate" go after such targets as innocent little girls? Perhaps because they are frustrated little glory seeking cowards?  I've said in the past: we're in a war, terror is the enemy's most potent weapon in that war, and one inspires terror by bombing indiscriminately. You need to think strategically to understand these people. As loathe as we are to admit it, they're rational, calculating actors with clear objectives and an overriding mission. They are not "frustrated little glory seeking cowards" like the Columbine shooters of the world. |
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Post by Jaguar on May 23, 2017 10:44:05 GMT -5
Among the 22 dead there's small children. ISIS can go straight to hell and never return again, as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by Opti on May 23, 2017 10:44:26 GMT -5
22 confirmed dead, 59 injured. Police have arrested a 23-year-old British man for the crime but couldn't anything else about the guy. This is just heartbreaking. I thought it was a suicide bombing. Or is this fellow just implicated in the planning? I think implicated somehow in the attack. My understanding is the actual bomber is dead. |
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Post by Spellbound454 on May 23, 2017 10:46:29 GMT -5
Rumour is...and its rumour only..... that he got out of a taxi and ran in to the venue So there is a taxi driver. Manchester is covered with cctv.......plus they know who this guy is and the arrest might be one of his mates. You don't make a suicide bomb by yourself. Poor kids.....one of them is only eight  |
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Post by busymom on May 23, 2017 10:47:43 GMT -5
ISIS is now claiming "credit". Why is it that these " brave soldiers of the Caliphate" go after such targets as innocent little girls? Perhaps because they are frustrated little glory seeking cowards? I've said in the past: we're in a war, terror is the enemy's most potent weapon in that war, and one inspires terror by bombing indiscriminately. You need to think strategically to understand these people. As loathe as we are to admit it, they're rational, calculating actors with clear objectives and an overriding mission. They are not "frustrated little glory seeking cowards" like the Columbine shooters of the world. I'm going to disagree with you on this one, Virgil Showlion. While the leadership may be planners with objectives, those who carry out these attacks are still cowards. Facing an army with guns, I might be able to give them a bit of credit for bravery, but attacking unarmed citizens, especially children, makes them worse than cowards. It's sort of like that saying my parents used to use: "as easy as taking candy from a baby". It doesn't take any bravery to murder unarmed children. |
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Post by Spellbound454 on May 23, 2017 11:01:09 GMT -5
I think the demograph is for petit criminals ......who have been radicalised.....
and believe they are victims of a World which doesn't give them as much reverence as they they deserve.
Islamism and Islam are entirely different.... Most terrorists aren't even that religious.
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Post by Spellbound454 on May 23, 2017 11:32:13 GMT -5
Salman Abedi ...British born from Libyan decent.....is the bomber.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on May 23, 2017 11:42:26 GMT -5
ISIS is now claiming "credit". Why is it that these " brave soldiers of the Caliphate" go after such targets as innocent little girls? Perhaps because they are frustrated little glory seeking cowards? I've said in the past: we're in a war, terror is the enemy's most potent weapon in that war, and one inspires terror by bombing indiscriminately. You need to think strategically to understand these people. As loathe as we are to admit it, they're rational, calculating actors with clear objectives and an overriding mission. They are not "frustrated little glory seeking cowards" like the Columbine shooters of the world. I don't even know what your trying to talk about here. Where has anyone indicated confusion on what terrorism is or the current existence of a continuing campaign of terrorism against western targets? And there is no indication that individual terrorists in general, and this one in particular - are not glory seeking cowards. And further, just because someone is rational and calculating - whether their objectives are clear or overriding - does not bar them from being a glory seeking coward. seeking out innocent targets rather than a military target - that is cowardice. |
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 23, 2017 12:50:30 GMT -5
I've said in the past: we're in a war, terror is the enemy's most potent weapon in that war, and one inspires terror by bombing indiscriminately. You need to think strategically to understand these people. As loathe as we are to admit it, they're rational, calculating actors with clear objectives and an overriding mission. They are not "frustrated little glory seeking cowards" like the Columbine shooters of the world. I don't even know what your trying to talk about here. Where has anyone indicated confusion on what terrorism is or the current existence of a continuing campaign of terrorism against western targets? And there is no indication that individual terrorists in general, and this one in particular - are not glory seeking cowards. And further, just because someone is rational and calculating - whether their objectives are clear or overriding - does not bar them from being a glory seeking coward. seeking out innocent targets rather than a military target - that is cowardice.
But you are missing the point. It is the same reason why any other undefended event is targeted, whether it is a nightclub, shoppers in the street or anything else. These targets are not meant to show cowardice, but to unsettle the population as a whole. They are expecting EXACTLY your response. It is cowardly to go after a concert of mostly young people, and their point is that no place is safe from terrorism. Going after a military target is expected, going after a concert of teenyboppers is not. You upend what is considered 'legal' in war.....but this isn't war. How many more people are bothered that they attacked such a concert? A LOT are.....and that's what they want, so it was an effective move. Cheating by anyone else's standards, but they don't care. |
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Post by Jaguar on May 23, 2017 12:55:19 GMT -5
Terrorists want the soft targets, that causes the biggest mayhem in the population. It sucks, but that's the reality of terror.
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