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Post by Miss Tequila on May 23, 2017 8:10:01 GMT -5
10th place. many of the countries mentioned in the OP are ahead of you. Yet for as much as you say the US sucks and Canada is so awesome, you are tied with us for 10th place  |
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 23, 2017 8:18:31 GMT -5
I have a niece that just graduated with a nursing degree that has $90,000 says she is $90,000 in debt. May include new car debt, but she has at least $60,000 in Student Loan debt and she had a good tuition scholarship. I have another niece who's fiancé had to co-sign for her Student loan debt b/c she already had $100,000 in debt. DS just graduated with $30,000 in student loan debt, and I have an additional $30,000+ for a parent plus loan. DD has student loans of at least $12,000 so far. My one SIL indicated she did not know how she will ever pay off the parent plus loans she has for her kids.
I agree that health care in the US is not first world. We are only one job loss or major illness away from disaster. I don't know what to think about paid maternity leave, b/c at 50+ DH and I have no disability insurance...if I am going to pay for young people to have maternity leave, why isn't someone providing me with disability coverage?
Count me in as thinking higher education in the US is becoming unaffordable. My Father in law needs insulin to control his diabetes, my MIL indicated on Friday that his Medicare Supplement is not covering the insulin again. We have to stop letting the robber barons loot the country.
How is she so far in debt if she had a good scholarship? My daughter was accepted into the Nursing program at my alma mater ($32k a year) and after scholarships she will wind up owing $5k a year. And we got zippo in grants. I am funding the first year and I am making her cash flow the rest (she is giving me $100 a week to pay for it). So I truly do not understand how your niece wound up with so much debt for a nursing program.
In my opinion, we as parents have created the higher education fiasco. If we all stopped co-signing for parental loans, little Suzy and Billy couldn't wrack up $90k in debt for an education. Supply/demand says the prices would come down. Universities would stop competing based on "wow" factor.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 23, 2017 8:40:34 GMT -5
I was thinking about Phil's post about schools and often wonder if it is a chicken/egg type situation. My HS strongly discouraged people from pursuing the trades and tried to strong arm you into applying for college even if you didn't really want to because it looked good. They got more money if they could say that X amount of students graduating went onto college. They went so far as to arrange a meeting with my parents to inform them they needed to discourage my brother from becoming a fireman because he would "never get anywhere in life" without a college degree. My parents kept looking around for the hidden camera. So my question always is was the school system failing making a college degree for all required or did the college system create the need and we all drank the kool aid with the result of the K-12 system adjusting accordingly? My grandfather got by on a 4th grade education, not making it to HS wasn't uncommon when he grew up. But I don't hear people saying that because nobody can work on a 4th grade education anymore that means the school system has failed and needs to be scraped. Maybe they did once HS education became mandatory, I wasn't alive back then.  |
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on May 23, 2017 9:00:19 GMT -5
I have a niece that just graduated with a nursing degree that has $90,000 says she is $90,000 in debt. May include new car debt, but she has at least $60,000 in Student Loan debt and she had a good tuition scholarship. I have another niece who's fiancé had to co-sign for her Student loan debt b/c she already had $100,000 in debt. DS just graduated with $30,000 in student loan debt, and I have an additional $30,000+ for a parent plus loan. DD has student loans of at least $12,000 so far. My one SIL indicated she did not know how she will ever pay off the parent plus loans she has for her kids.
I agree that health care in the US is not first world. We are only one job loss or major illness away from disaster. I don't know what to think about paid maternity leave, b/c at 50+ DH and I have no disability insurance...if I am going to pay for young people to have maternity leave, why isn't someone providing me with disability coverage?
Count me in as thinking higher education in the US is becoming unaffordable. My Father in law needs insulin to control his diabetes, my MIL indicated on Friday that his Medicare Supplement is not covering the insulin again. We have to stop letting the robber barons loot the country.
How is she so far in debt if she had a good scholarship? My daughter was accepted into the Nursing program at my alma mater ($32k a year) and after scholarships she will wind up owing $5k a year. And we got zippo in grants. I am funding the first year and I am making her cash flow the rest (she is giving me $100 a week to pay for it). So I truly do not understand how your niece wound up with so much debt for a nursing program.
In my opinion, we as parents have created the higher education fiasco. If we all stopped co-signing for parental loans, little Suzy and Billy couldn't wrack up $90k in debt for an education. Supply/demand says the prices would come down. Universities would stop competing based on "wow" factor.
yeah - but little suzy and billy also wouldn't go to college. How that single decision by one set of parents may influence anything is questionable. It may or may not impact the overall college/financial system and the effect, if any, is kind of moot if the only kids you have end up without one. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 9:40:58 GMT -5
How is she so far in debt if she had a good scholarship? My daughter was accepted into the Nursing program at my alma mater ($32k a year) and after scholarships she will wind up owing $5k a year. And we got zippo in grants. I am funding the first year and I am making her cash flow the rest (she is giving me $100 a week to pay for it). So I truly do not understand how your niece wound up with so much debt for a nursing program.
In my opinion, we as parents have created the higher education fiasco. If we all stopped co-signing for parental loans, little Suzy and Billy couldn't wrack up $90k in debt for an education. Supply/demand says the prices would come down. Universities would stop competing based on "wow" factor.
yeah - but little suzy and billy also wouldn't go to college. How that single decision by one set of parents may influence anything is questionable. It may or may not impact the overall college/financial system and the effect, if any, is kind of moot if the only kids you have end up without one. If little Suzy and Billy really wanted to go to college they could. |
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 23, 2017 9:46:09 GMT -5
yeah - but little suzy and billy also wouldn't go to college. How that single decision by one set of parents may influence anything is questionable. It may or may not impact the overall college/financial system and the effect, if any, is kind of moot if the only kids you have end up without one. If little Suzy and Billy really wanted to go to college they could. I had to transfer. Parental loans were in their infancy when I attended and my parents refused to sign for one. According to threads on the topic I should have been screwed education/career wise and apparently missed out on several developmental milestones by not attending the same institution for all four years. It is increasing in popularity at least around here. IWCC is now a "junior college" and has agreements with all the state colleges/universities, University of Nebraska and a handful in Missouri and Wisconsin as well. I decided to look into it and all the state schools and University of Nebraska now have transfer departments devoted to helping incoming students just like they do freshman. Transferring wasn't what you did when I went to college so I had to do all the legwork myself and ended up falling thru the cracks in some places. I would have given my right arm to have access to the resources transfer students around here have now. |
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Post by tskeeter on May 23, 2017 10:17:07 GMT -5
Who told you Canada was perfect? It isn't.  I know. The several dozen wealthy businesspeople and doctors I know that have fled Canada's high taxes/low opportunities to live here in the US have explained it to me. Hmmm - it sounds like Canada might be a better place for those who benefit from Canada's socialist policies than it is for the people who fund the socialist policies. |
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Post by weltschmerz on May 23, 2017 10:23:04 GMT -5
They can walk into an ER and get chemo and dialysis?
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Post by bean29 on May 23, 2017 11:10:35 GMT -5
I have a niece that just graduated with a nursing degree that has $90,000 says she is $90,000 in debt. May include new car debt, but she has at least $60,000 in Student Loan debt and she had a good tuition scholarship. I have another niece who's fiancé had to co-sign for her Student loan debt b/c she already had $100,000 in debt. DS just graduated with $30,000 in student loan debt, and I have an additional $30,000+ for a parent plus loan. DD has student loans of at least $12,000 so far. My one SIL indicated she did not know how she will ever pay off the parent plus loans she has for her kids.
I agree that health care in the US is not first world. We are only one job loss or major illness away from disaster. I don't know what to think about paid maternity leave, b/c at 50+ DH and I have no disability insurance...if I am going to pay for young people to have maternity leave, why isn't someone providing me with disability coverage?
Count me in as thinking higher education in the US is becoming unaffordable. My Father in law needs insulin to control his diabetes, my MIL indicated on Friday that his Medicare Supplement is not covering the insulin again. We have to stop letting the robber barons loot the country.
How is she so far in debt if she had a good scholarship? My daughter was accepted into the Nursing program at my alma mater ($32k a year) and after scholarships she will wind up owing $5k a year. And we got zippo in grants. I am funding the first year and I am making her cash flow the rest (she is giving me $100 a week to pay for it). So I truly do not understand how your niece wound up with so much debt for a nursing program.
In my opinion, we as parents have created the higher education fiasco. If we all stopped co-signing for parental loans, little Suzy and Billy couldn't wrack up $90k in debt for an education. Supply/demand says the prices would come down. Universities would stop competing based on "wow" factor.
IDK, we thought she had a full tuition scholarship, it is a 4 year school, very good private college. No campus housing. She lived too far to commute, So she had to pay room an board. We are not sure if what we thought was a full tuition scholarship for 4 years, was only the first year, or if she possibly did not maintain a GPA? GPA issues are unlikely as she passed the state Nursing Board test on 1st try. I know she bought a car when she started school, that may have been with Student loan $$, and then she just bought a jeep Cherokee. She lived in our rental unit for a year, they were supposed to pay us 700/month but after a few months she was fighting so bad with the roommate that she moved out. DN stayed and DH only charged her $350/month for 6 months. She did work at a local hospital while she was in school. It sounds like my SIL/BIL are not giving their kids any $$ or co-signing or doing a parental contribution. |
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 23, 2017 11:14:30 GMT -5
If little Suzy and Billy really wanted to go to college they could. I had to transfer. Parental loans were in their infancy when I attended and my parents refused to sign for one. According to threads on the topic I should have been screwed education/career wise and apparently missed out on several developmental milestones by not attending the same institution for all four years. It is increasing in popularity at least around here. IWCC is now a "junior college" and has agreements with all the state colleges/universities, University of Nebraska and a handful in Missouri and Wisconsin as well. I decided to look into it and all the state schools and University of Nebraska now have transfer departments devoted to helping incoming students just like they do freshman. Transferring wasn't what you did when I went to college so I had to do all the legwork myself and ended up falling thru the cracks in some places. I would have given my right arm to have access to the resources transfer students around here have now. I went to a community college and then transferred to a four year school. This was 21 yeas ago. It wasn't that difficult. I recommend that to anyone, at least to get the core classes out of the way. I certainly wasn't harmed by it professionally. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 11:21:11 GMT -5
How is she so far in debt if she had a good scholarship? My daughter was accepted into the Nursing program at my alma mater ($32k a year) and after scholarships she will wind up owing $5k a year. And we got zippo in grants. I am funding the first year and I am making her cash flow the rest (she is giving me $100 a week to pay for it). So I truly do not understand how your niece wound up with so much debt for a nursing program.
In my opinion, we as parents have created the higher education fiasco. If we all stopped co-signing for parental loans, little Suzy and Billy couldn't wrack up $90k in debt for an education. Supply/demand says the prices would come down. Universities would stop competing based on "wow" factor.
IDK, we thought she had a full tuition scholarship, it is a 4 year school, very good private college. No campus housing. She lived too far to commute, So she had to pay room an board. We are not sure if what we thought was a full tuition scholarship for 4 years, was only the first year, or if she possibly did not maintain a GPA? GPA issues are unlikely as she passed the state Nursing Board test on 1st try. I know she bought a car when she started school, that may have been with Student loan $$, and then she just bought a jeep Cherokee. She lived in our rental unit for a year, they were supposed to pay us 700/month but after a few months she was fighting so bad with the roommate that she moved out. DN stayed and DH only charged her $350/month for 6 months. She did work at a local hospital while she was in school. It sounds like my SIL/BIL are not giving their kids any $$ or co-signing or doing a parental contribution. 90K for room and board sounds a little steep.  But, I know plenty of people (my ex included) that just took all the loans offered even though grants were covering tuition and used it for vacations and fun stuff that they didn't need. When I was in school I would just get this letter with a list of everything you qualified for and you checked the boxes of what you wanted and sent it back. 5K subsidized loan that I don't have to pay anything on until 6 months after I graduate? CHECK! If she did lose the scholarship she should have left the spendy private school. It's a nursing degree. It's not like hospitals are hiring only from prestigious private schools. I'm pretty sure they don't care where you went long as long as you passed the boards. |
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Post by milee on May 23, 2017 11:24:58 GMT -5
They can walk into an ER and get chemo and dialysis? It's not standard medical practice in any developed country to give chemo to someone walking in the ER... doesn't matter if that's the US, Canada, Britain, Sweden, wherever. As for dialysis, doesn't appear that Canada's system is better than the US' and neither system has dialysis happen in the ER. www.medscape.com/viewarticle/711784_3Entry to Dialysis The United States is the most generous society in the world for access to dialysis therapy and annually starts treatment on 340 new patients per million population.[8] In part, market forces in the dialysis industry would seem to have a major role in allowing the system to expand to cope with the epidemic of ESRD growth. At first glance, it would seem that Canada's dialysis system would be as generous as the United States. The Canada Health Act enshrines the principle of access to care for all Canadians who require it, and there is no policy that promotes rationing of dialysis therapy. However, Canada's treatment rate is less than half the US rate at 158 per million population.[9] In the early 1990s, it appeared that incident and prevalent patients in the United States were older and sicker than in Canada. Dialysis Outcomes and Practice Pattern Study (DOPPS) II and III data show clearly that the age distribution is now similar, and except for diabetes, the comorbidity profile is not different.[10] It is unlikely that the greater prevalence of diabetes in the United States is sufficient to account for the increased treatment rate. Another possibility is that family physicians in Canada may not refer all patients who might benefit from dialysis treatment.[11] Other factors include real and perceived dialysis shortages that may limit referral, complete government control of expansion decisions, lack of central planning, lack of timely decisions, and lengthy secondary approval of expansions that are to be funded with public dollars. These factors all contribute to shortages of hemodialysis (HD) facilities that are worse in some regions than others.[12–14] It also is apparent that Canadian hospitals in the dialysis business have increasingly negative attitudes toward further dialysis expansion. This is especially true in Toronto, Ontario, where there are multiple regional centers. An ambivalent hospital might assume that dialysis care shortfalls can be picked up at some other center. Reasons for this increased reluctance to expand include the following factors: (1) hospitals must pay 50% of capital costs with money fund-raised from their community; (2) expansion has a large impact on the rest of the facility, including the emergency department, intensive care units, hospital laboratory, and diagnostic imaging services; (3) only direct operating costs are funded (eg, inpatient beds required to support dialysis growth are not funded); (4) the outdated funding formulas[15] are insufficient to cover costs, especially for in-center HD;[7] and (5) hospitals have new accountability agreements that prohibit budget deficits. .... The concluding paragraph of the article states: When examined during the past 20 years, it is apparent that the dialysis system in the United States has undergone profound change, whereas the system in Canada is relatively stagnant. Most of the change in the United States has been positive, and this evolutionary change is expected to continue. In Canada, a system that historically has worked reasonably well is now showing severe signs of suboptimal performance that would be expected to get worse if no effort is made to improve it. **** In all fairness, if you read on in this lengthy article, the situation is not roses in either country. The US provides dialysis care to more people that need it, yet it appears that the outcomes for certain procedures is suboptimal. Canada provides dialysis care to fewer people that need it, yet their results are average - or better than the US' for those procedures. Death rates for patients on dialysis are higher in the US than in Canada, although there is a question of whether it's an apples to apples comparison given that the Canadian system is already not treating ("cherry picking") all the patients that might benefit, so the ones that are given treatment may have a different composition than the ones who are given treatment in the US. There are advantages and opportunities to both systems. |
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Post by bean29 on May 23, 2017 11:25:47 GMT -5
Her grandmother & aunt had nursing degrees from same school. Grandmother & Aunt have no financial sense. My SIL/BIL generally do, but I think the Grandmother influenced the school decision.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 23, 2017 11:28:50 GMT -5
I had to transfer. Parental loans were in their infancy when I attended and my parents refused to sign for one. According to threads on the topic I should have been screwed education/career wise and apparently missed out on several developmental milestones by not attending the same institution for all four years. It is increasing in popularity at least around here. IWCC is now a "junior college" and has agreements with all the state colleges/universities, University of Nebraska and a handful in Missouri and Wisconsin as well. I decided to look into it and all the state schools and University of Nebraska now have transfer departments devoted to helping incoming students just like they do freshman. Transferring wasn't what you did when I went to college so I had to do all the legwork myself and ended up falling thru the cracks in some places. I would have given my right arm to have access to the resources transfer students around here have now. I went to a community college and then transferred to a four year school. This was 21 yeas ago. It wasn't that difficult. I recommend that to anyone, at least to get the core classes out of the way. I certainly wasn't harmed by it professionally. Me neither. I have a couple classes I need to make up to switch careers but that would be the case regardless since I want to switch to medicine. Falling thru the cracks probably had to do with the college I picked to transfer to. They had a transfer agreement with IWCC but they didn't get a lot of them so not much time was invested in us. I noticed a few years ago in all the alumni crap they send me that they have revamped the transfer department. They must be getting enough now that it's profitable to cater to them. I could have had it worse. Someone in my biology class transferred from Iowa State and ended up as a sophomore again because he didn't do his homework and not enough credits transferred in. I was a squeaky wheel and made sure that everything lined up so I could enter in as a junior. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 11:41:37 GMT -5
MN has streamlined their 2-year/4-year colleges pretty well, but I think there are still some hiccups if you're going into a major with very specific requirements for gen eds.
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Post by bean29 on May 23, 2017 12:29:53 GMT -5
IDK, we thought she had a full tuition scholarship, it is a 4 year school, very good private college. No campus housing. She lived too far to commute, So she had to pay room an board. We are not sure if what we thought was a full tuition scholarship for 4 years, was only the first year, or if she possibly did not maintain a GPA? GPA issues are unlikely as she passed the state Nursing Board test on 1st try. I know she bought a car when she started school, that may have been with Student loan $$, and then she just bought a jeep Cherokee. She lived in our rental unit for a year, they were supposed to pay us 700/month but after a few months she was fighting so bad with the roommate that she moved out. DN stayed and DH only charged her $350/month for 6 months. She did work at a local hospital while she was in school. It sounds like my SIL/BIL are not giving their kids any $$ or co-signing or doing a parental contribution. 90K for room and board sounds a little steep. But, I know plenty of people (my ex included) that just took all the loans offered even though grants were covering tuition and used it for vacations and fun stuff that they didn't need. When I was in school I would just get this letter with a list of everything you qualified for and you checked the boxes of what you wanted and sent it back. 5K subsidized loan that I don't have to pay anything on until 6 months after I graduate? CHECK! If she did lose the scholarship she should have left the spendy private school. It's a nursing degree. It's not like hospitals are hiring only from prestigious private schools. I'm pretty sure they don't care where you went long as long as you passed the boards. I think you might have something here, I remember DN and her boyfriend went on several trips while she was in school. I remember asking how she had the $$/time to go on multiple trips. I am not sure if there should be some limits on what students are allowed to take out loans for or not.
As far as Community College goes, I did 2 years in Technical School - got an AA in Accounting, then continued for my bachelor's degree. My core accounting classes all transferred and some of my teachers taught at both schools, but the content of what was taught in Accounting I, II and Cost Accounting I, II etc, was not necessarily the same. I really struggled in some of my upper level classes, and always told my kids I wanted them to go to one school if possible. I also did one semester at the local community college and got $10,000 In tuition re-imbursement from an employer. I have a BS from an expensive private school and only had about $2500 in student loans to repay. DH got a lot of grants, he used his student loan from his senior year in college to buy his Mom new furniture. Still he only had about $5-6,000 in student loans.
I have 2 nephews that did all their gen eds at a community college then went on and got a BS in Education. Wisconsin also has made sure that the community college credits transfer to the 4 year campus, and they guarantee acceptance to any 4 year campus in the state if you have a B average (I think it is a B, and it includes UW-Madison), our problem is the 2 year campus is not in a good commuting spot to live at home and go to school for us. It would take my kids as long to commute to the 2 year campus as it does to go to the 4 year campus, and UW-Milwaukee is actually closer (2 year campus is cheaper).
The average student comes out of college today with $30,000-$40,000 in loans. I just think it is too expensive...and if your parents can't help you at all, it is less likely you will finish a degree.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 13:02:54 GMT -5
As far as Community College goes, I did 2 years in Technical School - got an AA in Accounting, then continued for my bachelor's degree. My core accounting classes all transferred and some of my teachers taught at both schools, but the content of what was taught in Accounting I, II and Cost Accounting I, II etc, was not necessarily the same. I really struggled in some of my upper level classes, and always told my kids I wanted them to go to one school if possible. I also did one semester at the local community college and got $10,000 In tuition re-imbursement from an employer. I have a BS from an expensive private school and only had about $2500 in student loans to repay. DH got a lot of grants, he used his student loan from his senior year in college to buy his Mom new furniture. Still he only had about $5-6,000 in student loans. My son wants to go into engineering so I've told him the same thing. I just think transferring in for that program would be rough. Besides that, the community colleges here aren't a huge savings over the 4 year. A quick check says tuition is $165/credit and the local 4 year is $234. I know there might be differences in fees that make the disparity larger, but the 4 year also offers a flat rate and you can take up to 19 credits for that. Not saying my son would try to carry that much, but if he did, that brings it down to $198/credit. Of course, the big cost savings is in if they can live at home during those first years. |
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 23, 2017 13:08:56 GMT -5
As far as Community College goes, I did 2 years in Technical School - got an AA in Accounting, then continued for my bachelor's degree. My core accounting classes all transferred and some of my teachers taught at both schools, but the content of what was taught in Accounting I, II and Cost Accounting I, II etc, was not necessarily the same. I really struggled in some of my upper level classes, and always told my kids I wanted them to go to one school if possible. I also did one semester at the local community college and got $10,000 In tuition re-imbursement from an employer. I have a BS from an expensive private school and only had about $2500 in student loans to repay. DH got a lot of grants, he used his student loan from his senior year in college to buy his Mom new furniture. Still he only had about $5-6,000 in student loans. My son wants to go into engineering so I've told him the same thing. I just think transferring in for that program would be rough. Besides that, the community colleges here aren't a huge savings over the 4 year. A quick check says tuition is $165/credit and the local 4 year is $234. I know there might be differences in fees that make the disparity larger, but the 4 year also offers a flat rate and you can take up to 19 credits for that. Not saying my son would try to carry that much, but if he did, that brings it down to $198/credit. Of course, the big cost savings is in if they can live at home during those first years. A lot depends upon what you have access to. I was a commuter student, as was TD. By living at home, I was able to save a lot of money rather than have to worry about rent and utilities. As to whether or not the program in a technical/community college would work, you really need to know how the engineering program is structured. The local university is a 4-5 year degree, and the technical college is set up to feed students into the program. Not only that, those students that are fed into the program get priority because they have already gone through the early rigors of the program and a large fraction has been already weeded out. So don't discount it. As an aside, the classes I went to at the technical college were as rigorous as any other that I went to in a brick and mortar 4 year college. Some of them even kicked my butt. |
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My son wants to go into engineering so I've told him the same thing. I just think transferring in for that program would be rough. Besides that, the community colleges here aren't a huge savings over the 4 year. A quick check says tuition is $165/credit and the local 4 year is $234. I know there might be differences in fees that make the disparity larger, but the 4 year also offers a flat rate and you can take up to 19 credits for that. Not saying my son would try to carry that much, but if he did, that brings it down to $198/credit. Of course, the big cost savings is in if they can live at home during those first years. A lot depends upon what you have access to. I was a commuter student, as was TD. By living at home, I was able to save a lot of money rather than have to worry about rent and utilities. As to whether or not the program in a technical/community college would work, you really need to know how the engineering program is structured. The local university is a 4-5 year degree, and the technical college is set up to feed students into the program. Not only that, those students that are fed into the program get priority because they have already gone through the early rigors of the program and a large fraction has been already weeded out. So don't discount it. As an aside, the classes I went to at the technical college were as rigorous as any other that I went to in a brick and mortar 4 year college. Some of them even kicked my butt. I don't think our CC is feeding any engineering programs. Mostly healthcare and trades for all the manufacturing around here. We have two 4 year universities in our small town and the only engineering degree offered between them is composite engineering, which he's not interested in, so he's going to have to leave town to get what he wants anyhow. |
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 23, 2017 13:58:58 GMT -5
A lot depends upon what you have access to. I was a commuter student, as was TD. By living at home, I was able to save a lot of money rather than have to worry about rent and utilities. As to whether or not the program in a technical/community college would work, you really need to know how the engineering program is structured. The local university is a 4-5 year degree, and the technical college is set up to feed students into the program. Not only that, those students that are fed into the program get priority because they have already gone through the early rigors of the program and a large fraction has been already weeded out. So don't discount it. As an aside, the classes I went to at the technical college were as rigorous as any other that I went to in a brick and mortar 4 year college. Some of them even kicked my butt. I don't think our CC is feeding any engineering programs. Mostly healthcare and trades for all the manufacturing around here. We have two 4 year universities in our small town and the only engineering degree offered between them is composite engineering, which he's not interested in, so he's going to have to leave town to get what he wants anyhow. You might want to ask. The engineering technology program I was in was feeding the welding and other programs, and while most of the classes overlapped, there were a few that were directed towards those who were going onto the engineering degree. The only way you'd know is to look at what is offered and the curriculum. And as a head's up, getting into the engineering program has gotten a lot more difficult than it was in the past. TD got into the program with a B average. But he was recently speaking with the program's recruiter and if he was applying now, there is no way he'd get in. It has gotten very competitive. |
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Post by countrygirl2 on May 23, 2017 13:59:24 GMT -5
Rose Hulman in Terre Haute Indiana is one of the premo engineering colleges in the country. I'm sure they are extremely expensive also hard to get in and stay. |
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Post by weltschmerz on May 23, 2017 14:03:08 GMT -5
I know that. However, saying the uninsured can walk into an ER and get treatment is disingenuous.
They can get stabilised and that's all.
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Post by bean29 on May 23, 2017 14:14:24 GMT -5
Minnesota Paint Lady, my beautician's daughter went 2 years to UW-Waukesha, and will go on to a WI 4 year campus Platteville? for engineering. She is Environmental Engineering I think. She has an internship with the State of WI for the summer. Engineering is tough though we have friends that have kids in Engineering and they pretty much have to maintain an A average or they won't get into the program.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on May 23, 2017 14:15:59 GMT -5
I know that. However, saying the uninsured can walk into an ER and get treatment is disingenuous. They can get stabilised and that's all. And a nice big bill will go to collections if they don't pay it. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 14:22:57 GMT -5
I don't think our CC is feeding any engineering programs. Mostly healthcare and trades for all the manufacturing around here. We have two 4 year universities in our small town and the only engineering degree offered between them is composite engineering, which he's not interested in, so he's going to have to leave town to get what he wants anyhow. You might want to ask. The engineering technology program I was in was feeding the welding and other programs, and while most of the classes overlapped, there were a few that were directed towards those who were going onto the engineering degree. The only way you'd know is to look at what is offered and the curriculum. And as a head's up, getting into the engineering program has gotten a lot more difficult than it was in the past. TD got into the program with a B average. But he was recently speaking with the program's recruiter and if he was applying now, there is no way he'd get in. It has gotten very competitive. Well, just judging by the courses they offer I would say no. The highest level math class they offer is pre-calc and they only go through College Physics 1 and if I look at the engineering school program they are expected to be a lot farther along in these two departments by the end of their second year. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 14:27:19 GMT -5
Minnesota Paint Lady, my beautician's daughter went 2 years to UW-Waukesha, and will go on to a WI 4 year campus Platteville? for engineering. She is Environmental Engineering I think. She has an internship with the State of WI for the summer. Engineering is tough though we have friends that have kids in Engineering and they pretty much have to maintain an A average or they won't get into the program. Platteville is on his list, but he really needs to stay in MN if at all possible as they have a very good grant program and we would lose out on a crap ton of aid going out of state. U of M is his dream, but his odds are practically nil, they admitted only 1500 of 15,000 applicants last year. Duluth or Mankato are more realistic. |
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Post by bean29 on May 23, 2017 14:56:52 GMT -5
Minnesotapaitlady do WI and MN still have some reciprocity? I think it changed a few years ago, but it is not gone entirely is it? I probably did not read this thread close enough, what year is your son, is he a Junior?
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Post by milee on May 23, 2017 14:58:42 GMT -5
If the cuts serve to decrease the national debt and/or to increase growth and jobs, then they will contribute to keeping us a strong, first world country. If the cuts serve to weed out the portion of able bodied people that are getting government support, then they will have served a purpose.
If the cuts are instead used to fund non-value added things like a wall that doesn't decrease illegal immigration, or if they don't serve to weed out the portion of able bodied people that are getting government support then they will not be effective but we'll still be a first world country.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 15:10:48 GMT -5
Minnesotapaitlady do WI and MN still have some reciprocity? I think it changed a few years ago, but it is not gone entirely is it? I probably did not read this thread close enough, what year is your son, is he a Junior? They do. It used to be that you paid whatever your home state rate was for a comparable school, now they've changed it so that you have to pay whichever is higher, the resident rate at the out of state school or the rate at a comparable school in your state. I think it was because before a lot of times people were paying less than the residents at the school. But, MN has a state grant that could be as much as 5K/year for us which is only good for MN schools (public or private). My son is just going to be a sophomore this Fall, so just starting the college investigation stuff. |
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