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Post by chiver78 on May 11, 2017 16:04:20 GMT -5
I can't say as I'd specifically seek a Pit, but I tend to stalk the shelters around here and most dogs are either Pits or hounds, and I DEFINITELY would not want a hound. A few weeks ago I fell in love with Fred. www.petfinder.com/petdetail/37866050He is such a freaking sweetheart. And 45 pounds? He's a little dog to me. ohh! what a sweetie! just let us know over in the dog blog, when you bring him home.
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Post by taz157 on May 11, 2017 16:08:48 GMT -5
I can't say as I'd specifically seek a Pit, but I tend to stalk the shelters around here and most dogs are either Pits or hounds, and I DEFINITELY would not want a hound. A few weeks ago I fell in love with Fred. www.petfinder.com/petdetail/37866050He is such a freaking sweetheart. And 45 pounds? He's a little dog to me. So when are you bringing him home?
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 11, 2017 16:14:21 GMT -5
Considering I'm the only "dogs that can kill" comments on the first page, I appreciate being told my thoughts are ignorant. Do you disagree that Pit Bulls are much more likely to kill than a Pomeranian? I'm wondering why of my comments you find so ignorant.
Considering you agree that you can't completely wipe out a dogs instinct and the fact that Pit Bulls are very power animals, I'm not sure what I said that you would disagree with.
you and the OP, actually, with the thread title. it isn't a breed thing. it's how you raise the dog. any dog can snap, at any time. a larger dog is more likely to kill with its bite than a smaller dog, that's just physics and logistics. does that mean there shouldn't be larger dogs at all? no, it just means you need to pay attention when those dogs are in unfamiliar surroundings. kind of like with kids, do you just let them run wild? no. why is preferable to blame the breed or size of the dog, instead of the circumstances involved in a dog bite? I'll be happy to ignore your posts on this thread, since others are doing a bang-up job of pointing out the same things I would. Ignore me all you want. The fact is that big dogs are more deadly. Specifically Pits and the few others. There is no disputing that. And I do think that the owner of a dog that kills an innocent person should be charged with birder. Perhaps people would then consider their choice in dog a little more closely.
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Post by naughtybear on May 11, 2017 16:14:26 GMT -5
Oh I'm ignorant now too Miss T. Cool.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 16:31:18 GMT -5
I can't say as I'd specifically seek a Pit, but I tend to stalk the shelters around here and most dogs are either Pits or hounds, and I DEFINITELY would not want a hound. A few weeks ago I fell in love with Fred. www.petfinder.com/petdetail/37866050He is such a freaking sweetheart. And 45 pounds? He's a little dog to me. ohh! what a sweetie! just let us know over in the dog blog, when you bring him home. There's a dog blog? I can't afford any more mouths to feed. :-( figure if I don't go back for a couple weeks he'll be gone. I don't think they'll have trouble finding him a home.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 16:35:58 GMT -5
Crap... he's adorable. Buy hey what's wrong with hounds The howling for one and I've just never thought of them as all that smart, but that's probably because they're just constantly preoccupied with tracking something, ANYTHING. Find the coon. Find the coon. Find the coon. A little OCD in that area.
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Post by chiver78 on May 11, 2017 16:36:35 GMT -5
ohh! what a sweetie! just let us know over in the dog blog, when you bring him home. There's a dog blog? I can't afford any more mouths to feed. :-( figure if I don't go back for a couple weeks he'll be gone. I don't think they'll have trouble finding him a home. yes, ma'am! it's on EE. link
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Post by chiver78 on May 11, 2017 16:37:12 GMT -5
I wish there was a button, not just a
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Post by wvugurl26 on May 11, 2017 16:46:24 GMT -5
He is too cute!!
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Post by weltschmerz on May 11, 2017 16:47:13 GMT -5
I agree with it.
But I disagree where you don't understand how anyone could take a risk with kids and have a big dog. To me, big dogs are the epitome of love, especially labs. I grew up with a really big black lab (100 lbs) who was very very protective of me.
Agree, good friends of mine have a rambunctious pit, well trained but high energy. They were very careful when they brought their baby home. It's adorable to watch the two together now that he's older. A dog that is so excited that runs into walls because it can't stop in time turns into nanny when the little one is around. He would circle the little guy as was learning to walk to make sure the little guy didn't run into anything and push obstacles like tables and toys out of the way and walk next to him so the boy had something to steady himself on. They used to be called nanny dogs for a reason.
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Post by NastyWoman on May 11, 2017 16:52:56 GMT -5
I don't have a dog nor do I want one (more of a (small) cat person here), but let me tell you, the moment my blind cords attack me, my house is on the market. No Amytiville horror stories for me
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Post by dee27 on May 11, 2017 17:25:24 GMT -5
The nastiest dog my family owned was a Fox Terrier; he was very snappy. The sweetest dog was a shepherd; his bark could intimidate strangers, but he was very laid back with family. My kids grew up with Labs who were generally well behaved past the puppy stage. I did have one dog put down because he was aggressive despite lots of training and rehomed the loving mutt that wandered.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on May 11, 2017 17:37:05 GMT -5
I hear what you are saying but don't really agree. Yes your pom isn't on average going to do as much damage as a pit... but that doesn't make a pom any less likely than a pit to attack. KWIM. In other words if you want to vilify a breed (not sure why anyone would want to) do it because they have powerful jaws not because they are more likely to attack. I'm not disagreeing that any dog can attack. I'm saying that a Pom isn't going to kill you if it attacks you. My pom has snapped at me a few times in her life (never actually bit me) so I know it can happen. Twice it was because she was hurting and I didn't know it. But if she attacked me there would be zero chance she would kill me. If she attacked my children there would be zero chance she would kill them. Because I know any dog can attack under the right circumstance I truly don't understand how anyone can take a risk on a dog that can kill them or their children. I couldn't live with myself if my choice in dog cost my child their life. And I'm a huge dog lover...it's just that I love my kids more. True but I don't appreciate you calling me "it".
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 11, 2017 18:06:02 GMT -5
I'm not disagreeing that any dog can attack. I'm saying that a Pom isn't going to kill you if it attacks you. My pom has snapped at me a few times in her life (never actually bit me) so I know it can happen. Twice it was because she was hurting and I didn't know it. But if she attacked me there would be zero chance she would kill me. If she attacked my children there would be zero chance she would kill them. Because I know any dog can attack under the right circumstance I truly don't understand how anyone can take a risk on a dog that can kill them or their children. I couldn't live with myself if my choice in dog cost my child their life. And I'm a huge dog lover...it's just that I love my kids more. True but I don't appreciate you calling me "it". Hahahaha...as I was typing Pom I kept thinking of you!
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Post by weltschmerz on May 11, 2017 18:29:39 GMT -5
I had about 8 pit bulls. Sweetest dogs in the world. I didn't let strangers' kids pet them. I trusted the dogs, but not the kids.
Some little idiot could pull its tail or poke it in the eye, and then my dog would be destroyed.
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 11, 2017 19:02:33 GMT -5
I actually do think parents should held responsible for being irresponsible when it causes their child do die. If a person owns a dog and it kills them, I'm fine with it. It is when innocent people are killed that I have an issue with it. For the record, I didn't have blinds for the exact reason you posted. I couldn't live with myself if my child got caught up in blinds. It isn't like parents aren't warned about that. So I'm with you. If a child dies, charge the parents
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 11, 2017 19:31:04 GMT -5
I actually do think parents should held responsible for being irresponsible when it causes their child do die. If a person owns a dog and it kills them, I'm fine with it. It is when innocent people are killed that I have an issue with it. For the record, I didn't have blinds for the exact reason you posted. I couldn't live with myself if my child got caught up in blinds. It isn't like parents aren't warned about that. So I'm with you. If a child dies, charge the parents Do you have a tv, peanuts, drive your kid in a car, let them play sports, play at the park on equipment, have cleaners in your house, OTC medications, or any of the thousands of other things that could kill them? How about out this little anecdotally relevant story. A family friend had a pit bull, he had to move and asked his grandma to keep the dog temporarily. Grandma adored this dog, and the dog her. On one of their daily walks they ran into some jackass small dog owner decided that mopsy didn't need to be on a leash because he wasn't dangerous. So of course mopsy charges at grandma barking and growling and the pit bull does what any dog would, he killed mopsy. Well now the guy thinks it's a capital idea to try and pull mopsy out of the pit bulls mouth as he's yelling and screaming at grandma and gets bit as a result. So what do you think happened to the pit bull? If you guessed quarantine and a death sentence you would be right. Can you tell me what this dog did wrong? The answer apparently is that he was the big scary looking dog that was protecting his owner from an aggressive dog and human. This is is why I have zero patience and understanding for people that vilify breeds. I believe in taking precautions. If something is a known risk, I try to eliminate the risk to the best of my ability. Having a dog that has killed hundreds of people doesn't sound like good parenting to me. Obviously others disagree. Just like I'm sure the owners of the pit bulls that killed probably disagreed and thought their dog would never be one to kill. But if a dog that is a breed that is known as the dog that has killed the most people kills someone, the owner absolutely should be held responsible for murder. If someone wants to take responsibility for a dangerous dog they have the ultimate responsibility for keeping others safe. If they can't do that then they shouldn't have that dog You
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Post by justme on May 11, 2017 20:26:27 GMT -5
They actually reinstated the leash law in our community. Apparently there were too many problems with dogs under "voice command". I feel badly for the whole family. Now, I've never owned that breed. Those powerful jaws bother me, because when they bite, the dog locks them. A famous story in our community was a young couple who'd owned their pit since it was weaned. The lady of the house had the dog in her lap, & was petting it (the dog was now a young adult), when the dog suddenly grabbed her lower lip & tore it off. This couple never saw it coming, as the dog had never been aggressive until that particular incident. Makes me wonder if that breed startles easily, & naturally responds by biting? I haven't read enough to see if someone has stated this, but that is unequivocally a load of shit. It's been proven many time that NO dog's jaw locks. It's completely false. It's all just false hysteria about a breed that half the time people can't correctly identify. Psst....the family favorite Labrador is the breed currently most likely to attack.
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Post by justme on May 11, 2017 20:45:49 GMT -5
I can't say as I'd specifically seek a Pit, but I tend to stalk the shelters around here and most dogs are either Pits or hounds, and I DEFINITELY would not want a hound. A few weeks ago I fell in love with Fred. www.petfinder.com/petdetail/37866050He is such a freaking sweetheart. And 45 pounds? He's a little dog to me. Squeee!!!! Get him, just buy a bigger purse!!!
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Post by imawino on May 11, 2017 20:47:26 GMT -5
So what you are saying is that you are fundamentally ok with your dog attacking someone because it won't kill them. I mean if that's your comfort level and works for you I'm not going to say anything about it. It sounds like you do carry some fear of big dogs, and we all know that fear isn't always rational, but that doesn't make it less valid. But I will say something when that attitude is applied to other peoples choices in dogs. I also go back to what you said earlier that your dog did snap at you twice because of an injury you didn't know about. Your little dog has the same instincts, abilities, and 'communication tools' that all dogs have regardless of size. No, that's not what I'm saying at all...but thank you for twisting my words. I can't imagine my dog attacking anyone ever. When I say she snapped at me I clearly said she didn't bite me. She snapped to let me know I did something wrong. But there is a huge difference between a dog snapping and a dog biting. And there is a huge difference between a small dog biting and a dog biting that can kill you.
You can say my fear is irrational yet I posted the fatalities by dog bites earlier in this thread...guess what, all big dogs! What is that saying? Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't actually after me.
Big dogs, particular Pit Bulls, Rotts and the few others, are much more likely to kill people than my Pom. You can twist my words as much as you want but you can't change the facts just because you like dogs that have been known to kill people.
No one twisted your words, you said what you said. And that's fine. I 100% agree with the part that I boded above. Which is why I was surprised when you backtracked when swamp asked you about it and you said well, of course, you didn't mean all big dogs. That's why I asked why not. Any big dog could very easily kill an infant - accidentally or on purpose. So, you would have left your infant child unattended with a 90lb Labrador? Golden? Standard Poodle? Where's the line? I personally would not leave an infant, toddler or small child alone with any animal, not a Lab, Pit, Rott or Pomeranian. For both of their sakes. But I don't understand picking and choosing which large animals you would leave a baby unattended with.
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Post by imawino on May 11, 2017 20:52:21 GMT -5
Or guns.
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Post by justme on May 11, 2017 20:54:14 GMT -5
You want to know what my problem is with the "statistics" that say pitbulls are the deadliest breed? PIT BULL IS NOT A BREED! At best it's a catchall that unofficially includes at least four different breeds. But it's often used as a catch-all for any breed that's remotely their size and attacks someone. I can't tell you how many times I've seen a news story about a pit bull attack and it was a fucking boxer.
Find me a study that breaks down fatalities by actual breeds and then we can talk about how deadly the fictional pit bull is.
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Post by imawino on May 11, 2017 20:56:39 GMT -5
They actually reinstated the leash law in our community. Apparently there were too many problems with dogs under "voice command". I feel badly for the whole family. Now, I've never owned that breed. Those powerful jaws bother me, because when they bite, the dog locks them. A famous story in our community was a young couple who'd owned their pit since it was weaned. The lady of the house had the dog in her lap, & was petting it (the dog was now a young adult), when the dog suddenly grabbed her lower lip & tore it off. This couple never saw it coming, as the dog had never been aggressive until that particular incident. Makes me wonder if that breed startles easily, & naturally responds by biting? I haven't read enough to see if someone has stated this, but that is unequivocally a load of shit. It's been proven many time that NO dog's jaw locks. It's completely false. It's all just false hysteria about a breed that half the time people can't correctly identify. Psst....the family favorite Labrador is the breed currently most likely to attack. yep. So my last dog was a purebred yellow lab. Loved her. The most perfect angel to ever walk on the earth, if I do say so myself. The yellow lab 10 houses down from me would bite your fucking hand off for no discerible reason whatsoever. Breed, schmeed. Yes, I agree, bigger animal = potentially bigger damage. That is truly a no brainer. Don't leave a small child alone with any animal! Otherwise, calm down about what kind of dogs other people choose to have and properly supervise.
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Post by Jaguar on May 11, 2017 21:04:17 GMT -5
I'm small, like 4 foot 6 and riding the subway to the hospital one day this pitbull named Rose decides that I'm going to be her pillow. This pitbull was the biggest baby I've ever seen in any dog. She was gentle and kind.
Now I have been bitten by a dog, a Pekingese that my good friends family owned. I had a herding dog actually try to herd me into the livingroom of a friends family home. I was trying to leave and the dog wouldn't let me.
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Post by imawino on May 11, 2017 21:10:46 GMT -5
I can't say as I'd specifically seek a Pit, but I tend to stalk the shelters around here and most dogs are either Pits or hounds, and I DEFINITELY would not want a hound. A few weeks ago I fell in love with Fred. www.petfinder.com/petdetail/37866050He is such a freaking sweetheart. And 45 pounds? He's a little dog to me. That face!!!!!! Get Fred now! Hurry! And 45lbs? He's eensy-weensy. He's a pocket pal. My dog would have him for a snack. I mean, errrrrrr, my dog would just eat him up. Wait, still no.......
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Post by zibazinski on May 11, 2017 21:12:06 GMT -5
I have a grand dog that's an Aussie and if I'm not walking "correctly " he readjusts me. 😂
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Post by zibazinski on May 11, 2017 21:20:04 GMT -5
It's even funnier when there's more of us walking. Then he really herds. Freaks him out if one of us moves away from the herd.
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Post by justme on May 11, 2017 21:20:31 GMT -5
I'm small, like 4 foot 6 and riding the subway to the hospital one day this pitbull named Rose decides that I'm going to be her pillow. This pitbull was the biggest baby I've ever seen in any dog. She was gentle and kind. Now I have been bitten by a dog, a Pekingese that my good friends family owned. I had a herding dog actually try to herd me into the livingroom of a friends family home. I was trying to leave and the dog wouldn't let me. Scariest dogs I've known are tiny. Family friends had nasty lil chihuahuas that it was hard not to kick when they'd go after me, Fell in love with American staffordshire Terriers when my friend had what we're the biggest loving babies I've ever met. I crashed at his place with a bunch of people after a party. Walking back from the bathrooms the siblings are rough housing (to the point they had a few small cuts). They weren't paying attention and accidentally bumped into me. I was immediately showered with apologetic rubs and licks and after they were satisfied I was good they ran as far away from me as they could before they went back to playing.
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Post by imawino on May 11, 2017 21:21:43 GMT -5
I'm small, like 4 foot 6 and riding the subway to the hospital one day this pitbull named Rose decides that I'm going to be her pillow. This pitbull was the biggest baby I've ever seen in any dog. She was gentle and kind. Now I have been bitten by a dog, a Pekingese that my good friends family owned. I had a herding dog actually try to herd me into the livingroom of a friends family home. I was trying to leave and the dog wouldn't let me. You're eensy-weensy too! My dog would have you for a snack! Wait, no! Damn it.
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Post by imawino on May 11, 2017 21:22:57 GMT -5
I'm small, like 4 foot 6 and riding the subway to the hospital one day this pitbull named Rose decides that I'm going to be her pillow. This pitbull was the biggest baby I've ever seen in any dog. She was gentle and kind. Now I have been bitten by a dog, a Pekingese that my good friends family owned. I had a herding dog actually try to herd me into the livingroom of a friends family home. I was trying to leave and the dog wouldn't let me. Scariest dogs I've known are tiny. Family friends had nasty lil chihuahuas that it was hard not to kick when they'd go after me, Fell in love with American staffordshire Terriers when my friend had what we're the biggest loving babies I've ever met. I crashed at his place with a bunch of people after a party. Walking back from the bathrooms the siblings are rough housing (to the point they had a few small cuts). They weren't paying attention and accidentally bumped into me. I was immediately showered with apologetic rubs and licks and after they were satisfied I was good they ran as far away from me as they could. Are they the ones that look like the RCA dog? Or the Target dog?
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