Wow. Elections do not have consequences after all

[dondub]

The hate some have for Hillary and Obama can sometimes lead to opinions becoming distorted alternative facts. Hard to find any truth there.

[justme]

Dude I didn't even vote for Obama and even I know someone who was a us senator has more experience than an often failed businessman who thought running a fucking country would be easier than running a business.

[Deleted]

May 3, 2017 23:38:26 GMT -5 dondub said:

The hate some have for Hillary and Obama can sometimes lead to opinions becoming distorted alternative facts. Hard to find any truth there.

And the hate some have for the facts sometimes leads to a distorted view of the greatness (actually the lack thereof) of Hillary and Obama.

Truth is easy to find, but hard for some to accept.

[mroped]

"2. Illegal border crossings are down 73% just on fear of Trump / deportation-- also likely to save the country from cultural dilution and destruction from the invasion"

That is further proof that even those that are in dire situations are not inclined to come to a place that is run by a madman!

As for the second part of the bolded statement, could you elaborate on that "cultural dilution" that you speak of? 

[Value Buy]

May 3, 2017 19:12:38 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Another Captain Hyperbole flyby.

A great adjective from your side of the political view, and yet, lacks any content to refute his thesis.

[Value Buy]

May 3, 2017 19:53:25 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Illegal border crossings are down 73% just on fear of Trump / deportation-- also likely to save the country from cultural dilution and destruction from the invasion.

Dilution, Paul?  Isn't that what the white supremacists say?

And yet you post your dislike of Muslim immigrants to Canada because they are "slackers" living on the government handouts, as well as their sexual discrimination towards females.
Before you say this is not the same, tell me what the end result of continued handouts from the government and where it lands your country as a whole.
Can you say cultural dilution?

[Tennesseer]

May 4, 2017 6:39:57 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

May 3, 2017 19:12:38 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Another Captain Hyperbole flyby.

A great adjective from your side of the political view, and yet, lacks any content to refute his thesis.

The word 'Hyperbole' is a noun. You calling it an adjective says much about the intelligence from "your side of the political view".

[weltschmerz]

May 4, 2017 6:44:20 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

May 3, 2017 19:53:25 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Dilution, Paul?  Isn't that what the white supremacists say?

And yet you post your dislike of Muslim immigrants to Canada because they are "slackers" living on the government handouts, as well as their sexual discrimination towards females.
Before you say this is not the same, tell me what the end result of continued handouts from the government and where it lands your country as a whole.
Can you say cultural dilution?

Nope. It sinks us deeper in debt and depletes the resources that we all have been paying into our entire lives.
It has nothing to do with cultural dilution. We're already the most diverse country in the western world.

The only western country to break into the top 20 most diverse is Canada. The United States ranks near the middle, slightly more diverse than Russia but slightly less diverse than Spain.

www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/07/18/the-most-and-least-culturally-diverse-countries-in-the-world/

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 3, 2017 20:16:13 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

May 3, 2017 19:08:18 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

I believe Trump is playing a long game, but regardless of your opinion on the continuing budget resolution two things are absolutely true:

1. If all Trump does is keep his SCOTUS promise, he will have saved America- and possibly all of Western civilization.

2. Illegal border crossings are down 73% just on fear of Trump / deportation-- also likely to save the country from cultural dilution and destruction from the invasion.

The one thing that's true in my opinion: with Trump, you can forget ideology. It's not what he's about. What's more is that the conservative movement's battle for ideological purity is how we got here.

It's more important at this stage, that we have private sector, and specifically entrepreneurial experience.

Looking back, I wouldn't put any of the last 5 Presidents, including Reagan, in charge of a Dairy Queen in southern Illinois. I can't believe we didn't find someone qualified sooner.


And I honestly can't ever see going back to the political dynasty / community organizer resume set ever again.


To my friends in the all-or-nothing coalition, who are "principled conservatives"- look around. This mess is not Trump's. He's been in politics for 18 months. This mess is ours- and it's the politician's in both parties. We are seeing the fruit of the Christian coalition, the Reagan revolution, the conservative movement. And here we are.


So, relax. And pay attention. Trump is moving the ball down the field more than any President since Coolidge. 

Remember what happened to Obama in November 2010? Would you prefer Trump galvanize an extremist fringe regional party 548 days before the next election just so you can retain your ideological purity?


We have long term problems. The culture that permitted a communist revolutionary whose previous experience consists of ivory tower Saul Alinsky apostle, community organizer, and 10 minutes in the Illinois legislature, and US Senate won't be turned around in six months.


TRUMP DID NOT GET US HERE!


We have a long road ahead. The doughboys will not be home by Christmas. The key to winning the next battle is holding the ground we've taken (notice how Democrats ALWAYS do this?).


"Principled conservatism" and ideological purity is how we got here, and you know what they say about insanity. We need principles, but we nees the pragmatism of Bill Clinton. He said, "The era of big government is over". But was it? Did he mean it?

The bolded is the one promise Trump should NOT keep, if he wants to "[save] America- and possibly all of Western civilization."

It's a promise already kept with Supreme Court Associate Justice Gorsuch.  We were one (1) justice away from losing both the first and second amendment- the foundation of civil liberty was set to be woooshed away by Hillary Clinton's radical dictatorial continuation of the Obama rule-by-fiat. 

Trump is literally the third American miracle- the first being the revolution, the second being the first ever in human history reconciliation after a civil war, and now we'll see the collapse of the new deal state and the restoration of America as a Constitutional Republic. 

[mroped]

"Trump is literally the third American miracle- the first being the revolution, the second being the first ever in human history reconciliation after a civil war, and now we'll see the collapse of the new deal state and the restoration of America as a Constitutional Republic"

The first two so called "American miracles" weren't realy miracles and I realy hope that you understand that and you used the term as a figure of speech.
Nonetheless, the first two were the result of hard work and complicated deals amongst people that wanted the well being of this country, of this nation, work of people that put the interests of this nation above their own or themselves.
The third one however it is an unexpected turn of events that will lead to the eventual fall of the American Constitutional Republic, the end of this wonderful social experiment that lasted unexpectedly long considering what the nation had to go through in such a short time.
All we can do for now is hope that the good in people will prevail again as so many times before and we will be the ones fortunate enough to witness it.

[Tennesseer]

May 4, 2017 15:05:38 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

May 3, 2017 20:16:13 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

The bolded is the one promise Trump should NOT keep, if he wants to "[save] America- and possibly all of Western civilization."

It's a promise already kept with Supreme Court Associate Justice Gorsuch.  We were one (1) justice away from losing both the first and second amendment- the foundation of civil liberty was set to be woooshed away by Hillary Clinton's radical dictatorial continuation of the Obama rule-by-fiat. 

Trump is literally the third American miracle- the first being the revolution, the second being the first ever in human history reconciliation after a civil war, and now we'll see the collapse of the new deal state and the restoration of America as a Constitutional Republic. 

Unbelievable. Simply unbelievable.

[weltschmerz]

May 4, 2017 15:05:38 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

May 3, 2017 20:16:13 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

The bolded is the one promise Trump should NOT keep, if he wants to "[save] America- and possibly all of Western civilization."

It's a promise already kept with Supreme Court Associate Justice Gorsuch.  We were one (1) justice away from losing both the first and second amendment- the foundation of civil liberty was set to be woooshed away by Hillary Clinton's radical dictatorial continuation of the Obama rule-by-fiat. 

Trump is literally the third American miracle- the first being the revolution, the second being the first ever in human history reconciliation after a civil war, and now we'll see the collapse of the new deal state and the restoration of America as a Constitutional Republic. 

ROTFLMAO! The same Donald Trump who called the Constitution "archaic" and claims it's very bad
for the country? That Donald Trump?
Too funny!

[weltschmerz]

Donald Trump has blamed the US constitution for the problems he has encountered during his first 100 days in office.

In an interview with Fox News to mark the milestone, the Republican called the system of checks and balances on power “archaic”.
“It’s a very rough system,” he said. “It’s an archaic system … It’s really a bad thing for the country.”

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-us-constitution-archaic-really-bad-fox-news-100-days-trump-popularity-ratings-barack-a7710781.html

[Tennesseer]

We need a poll:

Rank in importance the greatest miracles in American history:

1. The American Revolution
2. The reconciliation of American states after the Civil War
3. Donald Trump
4. The creation of Chia pets.

[Deleted]

May 4, 2017 6:25:56 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

May 3, 2017 20:07:59 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

The problem this election was... most people didn't trust EITHER of the two front runners in that situation.

I don't trust Donald with "The Football" (as the case with the codes is nicknamed, for anyone that doesn't know)... but I wouldn't have trust Hillary with it either.




Grudgingly, I will say that I did trust Obama with it... but only because none of the countries in the Middle East had "the bomb". Honestly I don't know if I could have trusted him had they had it. Not because I think that he WOULD have used it... but because I believe that he WOULDN'T have, and it's not a deterrent if retaliation isn't an option.

The whole point of the M.A.D. (Mutually Assured Destruction) paradigm, and what makes it work, is... they don't attack because they KNOW that retaliation would destroy them too. That's literally the only reason why we don't speak Russian now.

And with that statement Sir, you have bought into the fear mongering scare tactics that the Military Industrial Complex has peddled since the 1950's  We were never going to speak Russian, and we never will.  Here is why.

The physical territory of Russia is famously difficult to try to conquer.  Fearsome armies through the years have been ground to pieces on the Russian Steppe.  Size, weather, distance, scorched earth and native resistance all combine to make it a fearsome task to try to conquer Russia.  The Russians seem... invincible!

And so they may be.... On the Russian plain.  Everywhere else, they do not look so fearsome.  For chrissakes, their navy couldn't make it out of their own Black Sea without colliding with a scow and sinking recently. 

The Russian economy is a mess, their population is declining, they have an epic alcohol problem and they are scratching around trying to regroup and take back their own lost territories (Crimea)  They are NOT going to invade Kansas anytime soon, MAD or no MAD.  Take that to the bank.

Yes, it's a mess NOW. It wasn't a mess before the ramping up of MAD. And I wasn't suggesting that they would be invading anytime soon... I was referring to back in the 50's, 60's, and 70's (maybe even some of the 80's)... The "Cold War".

Kruschev didn't want to put nuclear missiles in Cuba just because he thought that they would make nice decorations.

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May 4, 2017 15:05:38 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

May 3, 2017 20:16:13 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

The bolded is the one promise Trump should NOT keep, if he wants to "[save] America- and possibly all of Western civilization."

It's a promise already kept with Supreme Court Associate Justice Gorsuch.  We were one (1) justice away from losing both the first and second amendment- the foundation of civil liberty was set to be woooshed away by Hillary Clinton's radical dictatorial continuation of the Obama rule-by-fiat. 

Trump is literally the third American miracle- the first being the revolution, the second being the first ever in human history reconciliation after a civil war, and now we'll see the collapse of the new deal state and the restoration of America as a Constitutional Republic. 

Conservative Judges are just as much of a threat to the First Amendment as Liberal Judges are... if not more of one. Making rulings based on their interpretation of the Bible instead of the Constitution (something that Scalia was famous for, by the way) destroys the protections from religiously based law, of the First Amendment.

That last paragraph... wow. I just... wow. NO words.

[Deleted]

May 4, 2017 17:29:08 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

We need a poll:

Rank in importance the greatest miracles in American history:

1. The American Revolution
2. The reconciliation of American states after the Civil War
3. Donald Trump
4. The creation of Chia pets.

I think you have the last two backwards.

[Tennesseer]

May 4, 2017 19:49:56 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

May 4, 2017 17:29:08 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

We need a poll:

Rank in importance the greatest miracles in American history:

1. The American Revolution
2. The reconciliation of American states after the Civil War
3. Donald Trump
4. The creation of Chia pets.

I think you have the last two backwards.

Ya think?

[Deleted]

May 4, 2017 20:03:31 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

May 4, 2017 19:49:56 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

I think you have the last two backwards.

Ya think?

Not to mention too high in the general scheme of things (that scheme being "great events in American History")

I'd put "Donald Trump elected President" somewhere in the mid to upper 10,000's (with worth of events getting less valuable as the numbers rise, obviously)...

[tallguy]

May 4, 2017 19:49:56 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

May 4, 2017 17:29:08 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

We need a poll:

Rank in importance the greatest miracles in American history:

1. The American Revolution
2. The reconciliation of American states after the Civil War
3. Donald Trump
4. The creation of Chia pets.

I think you have the last two backwards.

I think you are premature.  Those are the poll options.  NOT the poll results.    

[Tennesseer]

I never should have numbered the list.  Those were simply the choices for the poll.

[Opti]

May 4, 2017 17:29:08 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

We need a poll:

Rank in importance the greatest miracles in American history:

1. The American Revolution
2. The reconciliation of American states after the Civil War
3. Donald Trump
4. The creation of Chia pets.

What if you believe there are no miracles in American history, only achievements? I was looking up civil wars and wondered how anyone could believe that only America moved on after a Civil War. I'll bet England for example is unlikely to have people running around deeply unhappy that they are no longer just a monarchy and being mad to this day about Parliamentarians.   I still read occasionally about those in the South being unhappy with Northerners so its not a complete healing.

How about the biggest nightmare in American history?

• Donald Trump becoming President
• The Vietnam War
• 9/11

[tallguy]

May 5, 2017 8:20:56 GMT -5 Opti said:

May 4, 2017 17:29:08 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

We need a poll:

Rank in importance the greatest miracles in American history:

1. The American Revolution
2. The reconciliation of American states after the Civil War
3. Donald Trump
4. The creation of Chia pets.

What if you believe there are no miracles in American history, only achievements? I was looking up civil wars and wondered how anyone could believe that only America moved on after a Civil War. I'll bet England for example is unlikely to have people running around deeply unhappy that they are no longer just a monarchy and being mad to this day about Parliamentarians.   I still read occasionally about those in the South being unhappy with Northerners so its not a complete healing.

How about the biggest nightmare in American history?

• Donald Trump becoming President
• The Vietnam War
• 9/11

Add in Pearl Harbor and The Civil War.... 

[Value Buy]

At least the Civil war changed the course of the country for the better and propelled this country to become the world leader it is today.


While typing the above I realize, maybe I see what you mean after all........ 

[Value Buy]

And the election of Lincoln had really huge consequences for the Nation.

[billisonboard]

May 8, 2017 11:55:31 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

May 8, 2017 10:57:21 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

At least the Civil war changed the course of the country for the better and propelled this country to become the world leader it is today.


While typing the above I realize, maybe I see what you mean after all........ 

We didn't need a Civil War. If only they had listened to Col Jackson, who was very angry about it.

I am sure he wouldn't have liked having that little war:

In all reality, slavery was the source of Andrew Jackson’s wealth.

The Hermitage was a 1,000 acre, self-sustaining plantation that relied completely on the labor of enslaved African American men, women, and children. They performed the hard labor that produced The Hermitage’s cash crop, cotton. The more land Andrew Jackson accrued, the more slaves he procured to work it. Thus, the Jackson family’s survival was made possible by the profit garnered from the crops worked by the enslaved on a daily basis.

When Andrew Jackson bought The Hermitage in 1804, he owned nine enslaved African Americans. Just 25 years later that number had swelled to over 100 through purchase and reproduction. At the time of his death in 1845, Jackson owned approximately 150 people who lived and worked on the property. thehermitage.com/learn/mansion-grounds/slavery/

[dondub]

No wonder Trump likes him so much considering all the underpaid and non paid workers and contractors he has abused.

[tallguy]

May 8, 2017 15:20:31 GMT -5 dondub said:

No wonder Trump likes him so much considering all the underpaid and non paid workers and contractors he has abused.

Nice (?) to know he doesn't just stiff workers and contractors.  Whatcom County, along with several other locations apparently, is still waiting to be reimbursed for costs associated with security at a rally a year ago.  Never gotten a response.   

[Value Buy]

May 8, 2017 11:55:31 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

May 8, 2017 10:57:21 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

At least the Civil war changed the course of the country for the better and propelled this country to become the world leader it is today.


While typing the above I realize, maybe I see what you mean after all........ 

We didn't need a Civil War. If only they had listened to Col Jackson, who was very angry about it.

tallguy suggested it be put on the list of important things, but yeh, who the heck needs a Civil War?
Might have taken another fifty years before the country outlawed slavery, and we might have had a civil war at that time too.

[Value Buy]

May 8, 2017 13:48:25 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

May 8, 2017 11:55:31 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

We didn't need a Civil War. If only they had listened to Col Jackson, who was very angry about it.

I am sure he wouldn't have liked having that little war:

In all reality, slavery was the source of Andrew Jackson’s wealth.

The Hermitage was a 1,000 acre, self-sustaining plantation that relied completely on the labor of enslaved African American men, women, and children. They performed the hard labor that produced The Hermitage’s cash crop, cotton. The more land Andrew Jackson accrued, the more slaves he procured to work it. Thus, the Jackson family’s survival was made possible by the profit garnered from the crops worked by the enslaved on a daily basis.

When Andrew Jackson bought The Hermitage in 1804, he owned nine enslaved African Americans. Just 25 years later that number had swelled to over 100 through purchase and reproduction. At the time of his death in 1845, Jackson owned approximately 150 people who lived and worked on the property. thehermitage.com/learn/mansion-grounds/slavery/

I could be wrong, but I think deminmaine was talking about Stonewall Jackson
EDIT  Maybe I was wrong. It was Robert E Lee who was not a fan of slavery.