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Post by mmhmm on Mar 23, 2017 8:10:53 GMT -5
Honest question: If this happened to the Obama transition team, what would Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Area 51), Leftist doomsday preppers and the P Hat Posse (I repeat myself) be saying? - H/T Dan Proft, Chicago radio host I don't think any of us is omniscient enough to answer that question. We don't know, in advance, what another person might say. We can only guess. That said, this has not happened to the Obama transition team - yet. The investigation is ongoing so we may yet find out the answer to your question.
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Post by citizensunite on Mar 23, 2017 9:19:09 GMT -5
Even IF Obama was behind it, I doubt very much that any fingers will be pointed in his direction. The country wants to keep him on some sort of high horse so the "deep state" can one day be accomplished. Some poor slob will take the fall for this but it won't be Obama.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 23, 2017 9:34:41 GMT -5
Honest question: If this happened to the Obama transition team, what would Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Area 51), Leftist doomsday preppers and the P Hat Posse (I repeat myself) be saying? - H/T Dan Proft, Chicago radio host I don't think any of us is omniscient enough to answer that question. We don't know, in advance, what another person might say. We can only guess. That said, this has not happened to the Obama transition team - yet. The investigation is ongoing so we may yet find out the answer to your question. Oh, noooos- of course not. Because no reasonable person could possibly infer that the party of hysterical unhinged conspiracy theories and rioting cannot be predicted. And it HAS happened to the TRUMP transition team- that much is not in doubt.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 23, 2017 9:38:48 GMT -5
Even IF Obama was behind it, I doubt very much that any fingers will be pointed in his direction. The country wants to keep him on some sort of high horse so the "deep state" can one day be accomplished. Some poor slob will take the fall for this but it won't be Obama. No, of course not- of course you're right. That's what I said in my thread on Trump's first Tweets about this matter: the Dems will have to select their G. Gordon Liddy, et al on this. Someone will go down for this, though- that much I can assure you. Trump is not stupid- I still don't know why people haven't figured this out. His foray into this issue was made knowing far more than he has revealed thus far- he has not played his Aces yet. Everyone who has been paying attention since June 2015 should know this. As he has done on every matter, he is letting the other side fire all of their guns at once, and when they have painted themselves into a corner they can't get out of-- like there were "no", "none", 'zero" muslims dancing on the rooftops as the 9/11 attacks were happening-- he will play another card. And then wait. And play another. Then another. The guy is burying the UniParty, the deep state, and the media in a hole they dug, with their own shovel.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 23, 2017 11:06:26 GMT -5
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Post by Opti on Mar 23, 2017 13:09:21 GMT -5
There might be egg on someone's face, but Trump isn't vindicated, not at all.
Just saw this on the MSN home page- www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/nunes-regrets-briefing-trump-before-intelligence-panel/ar-BByDues?li=BBnb7Kz
Nunes said Wednesday that the U.S. intelligence community incidentally collected information on members of Trump's transition team, ultimately putting it into various intelligence reports.
"Details about the U.S. persons involved in the incoming administration with little or no apparent foreign intelligence value were widely disseminated in intelligence community reports," he told reporters.
"I want to be clear - none of this surveillance was related to Russia or the investigation of Russian activities or of the Trump team," he added, noting he believes the information was collected legally.
Nunes' remarks on Wednesday added a new wrinkle to Trump's claims earlier this month that former President Barack Obama "tapped his wires" at Trump Tower in New York City last year.
Or in other words, Trump lies like a rug throwing shade. The more important thing is what is he hoping to cover up this time? His outrageous expenses just a couple months into office? The fact he can't seem to stay at the WH for very long without bolting to FL or wherever? Where's the real story? What is Trump trying to suppress this time?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 23, 2017 15:22:02 GMT -5
I think you need to take the Freedom Watch whistleblower story more seriously. Remember- when Obama was caught in Fast and Furious, caught in the YouTube video sparked a protest in Benghazi lie, caught weaponizing the IRS against conservative groups, and all the rest of it-- he was POTUS. He is no longer. And his would-be successor is not. Freedom Watch is significant for two reasons: first, they beat Obama in federal court already so there's a track record. Also, they were able to get their whistleblower IMMUNITY from a federal judge.
And as more information comes to light, it now appears that I was slightly technically incorrect about the Obama regime concocting a story about Russia as a pretext-- it now appears they obtained raw intelligence-- which is without precedent and NEVER supposed to be transmitted- which included recordings of American citizens not incidentally-- but with no discernable investigative purpose. That means that the Russia story might actually have been concocted after the fact- because after all, they were supposed to win. This wasn't supposed to come to light.
People are going to jail for this. Heads will roll.
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Post by engineerdoe on Mar 23, 2017 15:40:42 GMT -5
You highlighted the wrong bit. I fixed it for you.
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Post by imawino on Mar 23, 2017 15:42:33 GMT -5
I feel like someone's getting paid a shiny nickel for every time they say "deep state" lately.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Mar 23, 2017 15:47:51 GMT -5
I feel like someone's getting paid a shiny nickel for every time they say "deep state" lately. Or just discovered the phrase/theory/paranoid delusion and feels smarty smart smart!
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 23, 2017 15:56:58 GMT -5
You highlighted the wrong bit. I fixed it for you. I'm not sure you realize that it's actually WORSE if the surveillance was "legal". If that's the case, there's only ONE way for it to be true: FISA warrant. That means Obama treated Trump like an enemy of the state. Nevertheless "appears to be" is a no no in my profession. It is either X or Y. It doesn't "appear to be" anything. If it is uncertain, that's what we say and we advise further investigation by a qualified expert.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 23, 2017 15:59:05 GMT -5
Honestly, I never doubted Trump's claims for a second- I've learned ( www.untruthaboutdonaldtrump.com ) I do wonder why so many rolled out the Trump is crazy narrative- including the very outlets like NYT and others that were reporting on calls from Team Trump intercepted by intel (transcripts of which were then leaked to the NYT, WaPo, etc). Then Comey comes out in sworn testimony says, yes, there has been a FISA court authorized investigation of Trump since July. That means a national security investigation. That means Obama was treating Trump as an enemy of the United States -- an agent of Russia. Understand what the FISA court is The FISA court was created as part of the Patriot Act in the wake of the 9-11 attack on America. FISA stands for FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE SURVEILLANCE ACT. This is a secret court that gives the national security state essentially unlimited power to protect America by any means necessary from another terrorist attack and foreign threats. It bypasses the Constitution's 4th Amendment protections against unreasonable searches of U.S. citizens. It's purpose is to prevent another 9/11-type attack on America. FISA court orders are TOP SECRET, as are are FISA court requests. So we will never see a copy of the FISA court order or the request to the FISA court. In other words,Obama was treating Trump as a threat on the level of ISIS, al Qaeda, or North Korea. That means no-holds-barred -- TOTAL surveillance by Obama against Trump in the heat of the election year. The wiretapping being the least of it. Remember, the NSA is collecting and storing a recording of every phone call you make, every email or text message you send, every computer search you do, every website you visit -- as we learned from EDWARD SNOWDEN (who should be pardoned, by the way). The FBI just needs a FISA court order (the secret national security court) to let the FBI looks at it all. So when Trump was saying Obama wiretapped his phones and bugged Trump Tower, that was actually a gross understatement. Trump is clearly right. The media knows it. So now the media narrative has shifted to: Trump is under investigation by the FBI. The obvious and clear truth is: Obama was using the FBI, the NSA, the CIA, and probably the IRS as an opposition research operation to try to take down the Republican nominee for President. Obama did not just want to defeat Trump, did not just want Hillary to win the election -- he wanted Trump and his family in prison. This is the "push-button" totalitarianism that EDWARD SNOWDEN warned us about. Thank God Trump survived it. The FBI has been looking at Trump since July. Comey was forced to admit they've found no evidence that the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians on the election, found no evidence that the Russians hacked the election. Obama thought this massive surveillance of Trump by the NSA, CIA, and FBI would produce criminal charges against Trump. But Trump turned out to be an honest man who plays by the rules. Yet the investigation (fishing expedition) continues -- for some reason, or no reason. Obama's use of our national security state to target and try to destroy the Republican nominee for President is a scandal of epic proportions. It's Stalinesque -- 1,000 times worse than Watergate. It's a total assault by Obama (a Leninist) on our Constitutional system of government. A lesser candidate could not have survived this assault -- the full force of the FBI, CIA, NSA, and IRS being thrown at Donald Trump, with every surveilance and investigative tool imaginable at their disposal. All the other candidates on the GOP primary debate stage would have been ground into dust by this . . . because this would have been used against them too. Miraculously, God gave America Donald Trump -- the only one of the 17 GOP candidates who has the fortitude and the strength of character to fight back against THE SWAMP, the DEEP STATE, whatever you want to call it. Remember, many GOP politicians are part of this SWAMP Trump is fighting against. But he's just one man. Trump promised to "DRAIN THE SWAMP." Think of James Comey as defender of THE SWAMP -- as are many GOP politicians, as are all the Obama holdovers buried deep in the CIA, NSA, FBI, IRS, and the federal bureaucracy. They don't want to be drained. Donald Trump did not need this job. He's a multibillionaire. He could have lived a much more comfortable life without being President. But he saw that the country was in deep trouble. He's not steeped in the fine points of conservative philosophy. He's not an ideologue. He's basically just a practical person -- a businessman who loves America and wants to save it. This isn't the Democrats vs. Donald Trump. It's the entire federal government, people in both parties, the bureaucrats, and a complicit media against AMERICA. Against YOU AND ME. For America to survive, for us to escape tyranny- Donald J. Trump must be supported by patriotic every day Americans / Deplorables across political lines. If Trump goes down, the country goes down. This is for all the marbles.
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Post by Rob Base 2.0 on Mar 23, 2017 16:13:15 GMT -5
Paul- no one will read your long rambling posts. Talking to you is like
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Post by engineerdoe on Mar 23, 2017 16:13:15 GMT -5
You highlighted the wrong bit. I fixed it for you. I'm not sure you realize that it's actually WORSE if the surveillance was "legal". If that's the case, there's only ONE way for it to be true: FISA warrant. That means Obama treated Trump like an enemy of the state. Nevertheless "appears to be" is a no no in my profession. It is either X or Y. It doesn't "appear to be" anything. If it is uncertain, that's what we say and we advise further investigation by a qualified expert. Again, Trump and his transition team was not targeted but since they spoke to the foreign entities that were the communications were picked up legally. That those communications were included in the intelligence reports is questionable, although technically we don't know what is in that report and Nunes has already walked back that people from Trump's team were actually named. All names were redacted but Nunes admitted he was able to guess who the person was based on the surrounding information. FISA is only for FOREIGN targets not US citizens. The FISA warrant that was signed to allow surveillance of Russia operatives it still does not allow targeting or bugging or wiretapping of US citizens. But any US citizen who speaks to those Russian operatives will be noted in the report.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 23, 2017 16:15:15 GMT -5
You highlighted the wrong bit. I fixed it for you. I'm not sure you realize that it's actually WORSE if the surveillance was "legal". If that's the case, there's only ONE way for it to be true: FISA warrant. That means Obama treated Trump like an enemy of the state. Nevertheless "appears to be" is a no no in my profession. It is either X or Y. It doesn't "appear to be" anything. If it is uncertain, that's what we say and we advise further investigation by a qualified expert. If there was a warrant, or the info was obtained indirectly on other legal surveillance...maybe trump was acting as an enemy of state.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 23, 2017 16:40:20 GMT -5
I'm not sure you realize that it's actually WORSE if the surveillance was "legal". If that's the case, there's only ONE way for it to be true: FISA warrant. That means Obama treated Trump like an enemy of the state. Nevertheless "appears to be" is a no no in my profession. It is either X or Y. It doesn't "appear to be" anything. If it is uncertain, that's what we say and we advise further investigation by a qualified expert. If there was a warrant, or the info was obtained indirectly on other legal surveillance...maybe trump was acting as an enemy of state. Or maybe the same Community Organizer that tapped 20 phones of the AP and its reporters, resulting in spying on as many as 100 journalists? The Obama admistration even seized the phone records of James Rosen's parents and said he was a criminal conspirator. Reporter Sharyl Attkisson said in 2014 that her personal computer and CBS laptop were hacked after she began filing stories about Benghazi that were unflattering to the Obama administration. A source who checked her laptop said the hacker used spyware “proprietary to a government agency.” When informed that Angela Merkel's phone was being tapped, Obama personally allowed it to continue. That was really no big deal, of course, because the NSA was monitoring calls of 35 world leaders for the Obama administration. The Obama administration also sicced the IRS on opponents, ran guns into Mexico and jailed a filmmaker to cover up Benghazi. Maybe no one should be surprised that Obama spied on the Trump team. Community organizers do what community organizers do. They were supposed to win. They were supposed to be able to hide this.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 23, 2017 16:55:53 GMT -5
From Bill Moyers Journal: Tough Talk on Impeachment July 13, 2007 "On January 20th, 2009, if George Bush and Dick Cheney are not appropriately held to account this Administration will hand off a toolbox with more powers than any President has ever had, more powers than the founders could have imagined. And that box may be handed to Hillary Clinton or it may be handed to Mitt Romney or Barack Obama or someone else. But whoever gets it, one of the things we know about power is that people don't give away the tools." — John Nichols www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07132007/profile.html It will be interesting what President Trump does with it now.
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Post by kadee79 on Mar 23, 2017 16:59:35 GMT -5
From Bill Moyers Journal: Tough Talk on Impeachment July 13, 2007 "On January 20th, 2009, if George Bush and Dick Cheney are not appropriately held to account this Administration will hand off a toolbox with more powers than any President has ever had, more powers than the founders could have imagined. And that box may be handed to Hillary Clinton or it may be handed to Mitt Romney or Barack Obama or someone else. But whoever gets it, one of the things we know about power is that people don't give away the tools." — John Nichols www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07132007/profile.html It will be interesting what President Trump does with it now. Ssshhhh, don't tell him he has it!
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 23, 2017 17:06:39 GMT -5
There's a difference between being vindicated and being lucky. Two wrongs don't make a right. At the same time, this is the first testimony I've seen that seems unequivocally damning to Pres. Obama's White House prima facie. careful with that phrase. seeming and being are quite different. That's also why I included "prima facie". Drill down and oftentimes these things turn out to be dead ends. I dearly hope the investigation uncovers a Nixon-esque wiretapping scandal with Pres. Obama at the head, though. The thunderous popping of heads o'er YMAM will make for a good bit of excitement.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 23, 2017 19:01:05 GMT -5
When a federal judge grants a man with "millions" of intelligence documents immunity under whistleblower laws-- and Larry Klayman is the man that made it happen...there's some "there" there. Now, I'm a realist-- they're going to produce a smoking gun tomorrow that proves conclusively that Obama spied on the Trump transition-- I mean we now know that raw intelligence documents were floating around the White House, and that's serious enough. But it will be rather benign as they scramble to head this thing off. Words like "incidental" will make up the narrative. There'll be some howling. But in the end-- they hope-- they're going to put this to bed Friday. They're wrong. Klayman's got the straight edge Snowden and this thing, as one poster put it, has legs. Looooong Legs. You have to remember: this Obama scandal does not feature Obama in the White House. And when the weight of Congress and the white hats in the intel community and within the executive bring their considerable weight to bear-- people are going to flip. They're going to sing. And let's not forget what's about to happen to James Comey and Company that testified on Tuesday: they each had what is known as a "duty of candor" to the tribunal. They do not have to be questioned on something relevant to be obligated to report it-- and who knows, perhaps they did report it in the closed door session (I happen to think all these things should be closed door-- the public, if they've got the patience for it, can READ the transcript later. I think that would head off the showboating that goes on on-camera-- but I digress: if even "incidental" intel existed, Comey knew about it before this week- certainly the rest of the bunch did. That means they lied under oath. That's perjury- which at the very least means Comey has to resign-- and fairly immediately. Potential Smokin Gun... www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/23/potential-smoking-gun-showing-obama-administration-spied-on-trump-team-source-says.html
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 23, 2017 22:52:04 GMT -5
careful with that phrase. seeming and being are quite different. That's also why I included "prima facie". Drill down and oftentimes these things turn out to be dead ends. I dearly hope the investigation uncovers a Nixon-esque wiretapping scandal with Pres. Obama at the head, though. The thunderous popping of heads o'er YMAM will make for a good bit of excitement. having observed Obama for the better part of a decade, how likely do you think that is?
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Post by tallguy on Mar 23, 2017 23:40:41 GMT -5
That's also why I included "prima facie". Drill down and oftentimes these things turn out to be dead ends. I dearly hope the investigation uncovers a Nixon-esque wiretapping scandal with Pres. Obama at the head, though. The thunderous popping of heads o'er YMAM will make for a good bit of excitement. having observed Obama for the better part of a decade, how likely do you think that is? I know I'm not the one asked, but I'd put the likelihood at substantially less than Donald Trump becoming a deep thinker.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 23, 2017 23:44:59 GMT -5
having observed Obama for the better part of a decade, how likely do you think that is? I know I'm not the one asked, but I'd put the likelihood at substantially less than Donald Trump becoming a deep thinker. or giving up his belongings and moving to a Zen monastery.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 24, 2017 2:17:21 GMT -5
That's also why I included "prima facie". Drill down and oftentimes these things turn out to be dead ends. I dearly hope the investigation uncovers a Nixon-esque wiretapping scandal with Pres. Obama at the head, though. The thunderous popping of heads o'er YMAM will make for a good bit of excitement. having observed Obama for the better part of a decade, how likely do you think that is? I have no idea. If you're asking if I think he's capable of it: absolutely. The man has repeatedly proven himself to be a liar and abuser of executive privilege. In the latter regard, he was even worse than his predecessor. If you're asking whether I believe he'd deem the rewards of such surveillance worth the risks: probably not.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 24, 2017 2:19:53 GMT -5
When a federal judge grants a man with "millions" of intelligence documents immunity under whistleblower laws-- and Larry Klayman is the man that made it happen...there's some "there" there. Now, I'm a realist-- they're going to produce a smoking gun tomorrow that proves conclusively that Obama spied on the Trump transition-- I mean we now know that raw intelligence documents were floating around the White House, and that's serious enough. But it will be rather benign as they scramble to head this thing off. Words like "incidental" will make up the narrative. There'll be some howling. But in the end-- they hope-- they're going to put this to bed Friday. They're wrong. Klayman's got the straight edge Snowden and this thing, as one poster put it, has legs. Looooong Legs. You have to remember: this Obama scandal does not feature Obama in the White House. And when the weight of Congress and the white hats in the intel community and within the executive bring their considerable weight to bear-- people are going to flip. They're going to sing. And let's not forget what's about to happen to James Comey and Company that testified on Tuesday: they each had what is known as a "duty of candor" to the tribunal. They do not have to be questioned on something relevant to be obligated to report it-- and who knows, perhaps they did report it in the closed door session (I happen to think all these things should be closed door-- the public, if they've got the patience for it, can READ the transcript later. I think that would head off the showboating that goes on on-camera-- but I digress: if even "incidental" intel existed, Comey knew about it before this week- certainly the rest of the bunch did. That means they lied under oath. That's perjury- which at the very least means Comey has to resign-- and fairly immediately. Potential Smokin Gun... www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/23/potential-smoking-gun-showing-obama-administration-spied-on-trump-team-source-says.htmlI guess we shall see.
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Post by Opti on Mar 24, 2017 7:10:36 GMT -5
I think its far more likely that this will be one of the many lies that gets Trump to leave office. Was it in this thread or elsewhere that he accused the UK of spying on him as well?
I think he can't handle the stress and hours very well. He leaves the WH close to every weekend. That's beyond highly unusual. Its a symptom of someone who took on more than he can handle. My guess is he's trying to brute force things into his first 100 days.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 24, 2017 12:52:57 GMT -5
having observed Obama for the better part of a decade, how likely do you think that is? I have no idea. If you're asking if I think he's capable of it: absolutely. T he man has repeatedly proven himself to be a liar and abuser of executive privilege. In the latter regard, he was even worse than his predecessor. If you're asking whether I believe he'd deem the rewards of such surveillance worth the risks: probably not. you have no idea? you have observed his outward behavior for a decade, and you can't predict what he might do? really? well that explains a good deal about your posts here. if you really can't predict how people behave based on literally thousands of observations, this must be a very mysterious world for you. the second accusation is rather serious. can you give me an example or two of lying. note: you have to be able to PROVE that a person KNOWS he is lying to call it a lie, otherwise it can be a number of lesser things, like rumor mongering. and also, when did he abuse executive privilege? that might be an easier lift for you, but i am guessing it has something to do with EO's and not criminal misconduct of other kinds, as we are discussing here.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 24, 2017 13:20:54 GMT -5
I think its far more likely that this will be one of the many lies that gets Trump to leave office. Was it in this thread or elsewhere that he accused the UK of spying on him as well?
I think he can't handle the stress and hours very well. He leaves the WH close to every weekend. That's beyond highly unusual. Its a symptom of someone who took on more than he can handle. My guess is he's trying to brute force things into his first 100 days. You're really clinging to that "trump leaving office" life raft, aren't you? It. Will. Never. Happen. Trump is the President of The United States, and he will likely be re-elected. Stow your gear, sit down, relax, and fasten your seat belt. You're on this ride now.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 28, 2017 18:35:37 GMT -5
Strap in. We'll see how reliable my source in DC is- wiretapping story is supposedly coming to a head within 24 hours. Not in a way Trump opponents hoped it would, either...
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