Today is the tale of two countries in America

[billisonboard]

Feb 27, 2017 17:41:47 GMT -5 tallguy said:

I haven't set foot in a theater to watch a movie in over 30 years.  Anything I see is well after it would have been eligible for any award.  Even if I cared about any award.  

I go to theater showings but my taste in all things is so plebeian I never see the nominated shows.

[Opti]

Feb 26, 2017 9:37:37 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

We have the Daytona 500 race on the southeast redneck coast, and the Academy Awards on the alt left west coast.

Could we have a more obvious divided political country being represented by polar opposites on any given day, other than on election day? 

Maybe the problem is people who can't conceive its possible to like both.

 I have friends in Illinois who love NASCAR, heck my former big Pharma employer backed a car and had it near the facility one day. I and my co-workers visited it too. I am interested in both. NASCAR is huge in allegedly liberal Madison Wisconsin and they drive like the race car lovers they are.

I'm curious. How do you feel about all the movies about NASCAR and car racing?

[Opti]

Feb 27, 2017 17:49:23 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Feb 27, 2017 17:41:47 GMT -5 tallguy said:

I haven't set foot in a theater to watch a movie in over 30 years.  Anything I see is well after it would have been eligible for any award.  Even if I cared about any award.  

I go to theater showings but my taste in all things is so plebeian I never see the nominated shows.

I have varied tastes, and back when my income supported it, I often saw about 80% of those contenders in most of the popular categories. Now sometimes I make notes on what to see because of the award shows. I'm listening to a Grammy nominees CD from the library right now. If I didn't have so many items out from the library I think I'd pick up Will Ferrell's movie riff on NASCAR and one of my faves - Speed Racer.

[Opti]

Feb 27, 2017 17:26:14 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Now if this is the shape of the race track, with the overlapping portions being actual intersections, I could see the race getting interesting.

Watch the contemporary Speed Racer movie. It and some video game courses are really quite cool.

[Value Buy]

Feb 27, 2017 16:58:12 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Feb 26, 2017 10:32:05 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

A bunch of cars doing the same thing 200 times. Awarding people for a wide variety of doing things well including vastly different "best pictures".

Daytona 500 Daytona International Speedway is 2.5 miles (4 km) long and a 500-mile race requires 200 laps to complete. However, the race is considered official after half its distance (100 laps and 250 miles (400 km)) has been completed.

BEST PICTURE

Arrival

Fences

Hacksaw Ridge

Hell or High Water

Hidden Figures

La La Land

Lion

Moonlight

Manchester by the Sea

Are these actual nominees?

I haven't even heard of any of these, except for "La La Land", and I have no clue what that one's about.

MSN had a poll on it's front page yesterday with Oscar choices.
Over 50 percent of participants clicked on the choice "have not seen any", but only listed the top four or five choicees. Kind of scary number imo.
LaLa Land paid homage to the golden years of song and dance in the movies, and was considered the front runner because it kissed Hollywood's feel good about us theme.

[Virgil Showlion]

Feb 27, 2017 17:41:47 GMT -5 tallguy said:

I haven't set foot in a theater to watch a movie in over 30 years.  Anything I see is well after it would have been eligible for any award.  Even if I cared about any award.  

My wife and I still go to the movies occasionally. 90% of the reason is because she likes the popcorn.

When she and my Mom are together, they use each other as an excuse to go to the movies and binge on popcorn.

"Oh, it's not about the popcorn. We just haven't been to the movies in a while."

The correct response is to smile and nod.

[Virgil Showlion]

Feb 27, 2017 21:39:35 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Feb 27, 2017 16:58:12 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Are these actual nominees?

I haven't even heard of any of these, except for "La La Land", and I have no clue what that one's about.

MSN had a poll on it's front page yesterday with Oscar choices.
Over 50 percent of participants clicked on the choice "have not seen any", but only listed the top four or five choicees. Kind of scary number imo.
LaLa Land paid homage to the golden years of song and dance in the movies, and was considered the front runner because it kissed Hollywood's feel good about us theme.

That makes me feel better.

When I looked up movies in 2016, I noticed that virtually of the nominees were released in November or December of last year. There was something big going on around that time. Can't quite remember what it was...

[Value Buy]

Feb 27, 2017 17:50:01 GMT -5 Opti said:

Feb 26, 2017 9:37:37 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

We have the Daytona 500 race on the southeast redneck coast, and the Academy Awards on the alt left west coast.

Could we have a more obvious divided political country being represented by polar opposites on any given day, other than on election day? 

Maybe the problem is people who can't conceive its possible to like both.

 I have friends in Illinois who love NASCAR, heck my former big Pharma employer backed a car and had it near the facility one day. I and my co-workers visited it too. I am interested in both. NASCAR is huge in allegedly liberal Madison Wisconsin and they drive like the race car lovers they are.

I'm curious. How do you feel about all the movies about NASCAR and car racing?

Great question. 
Never been to a live racing event other than Greyhound racing, so consider me an evil person watching the poor mistreated Greyhounds.

I could go to the Tropicana race in Illinois, and Indy car Memorial day weekend (yes, I know that is not Nascar) but you would have to pay me to go and keep me in beer at no cost to me.
Have watched Tom Cruise doing Nascar, thought it was pretty good, but I also liked the comedy with the old SNL actor making a mockery of the sport.
We have not watched the Oscars since whats her name and daughter got dumped on the red carpet hours preceding the ceremony They made it almost bearable to stay and watch the ceremony, but people talk about Baseball and football games getting boring with the lengths.......The Oscars are now unbearable, and I do not want to see grown people crying over their win and the others making it a political show worthy of MSNBC primetime. 

[Value Buy]

Feb 27, 2017 21:47:22 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Feb 27, 2017 17:41:47 GMT -5 tallguy said:

I haven't set foot in a theater to watch a movie in over 30 years.  Anything I see is well after it would have been eligible for any award.  Even if I cared about any award.  

My wife and I still go to the movies occasionally. 90% of the reason is because she likes the popcorn.

When she and my Mom are together, they use each other as an excuse to go to the movies and binge on popcorn.

"Oh, it's not about the popcorn. We just haven't been to the movies in a while."

The correct response is to smile and nod.

Afternoon matinees, $6
Medium popcorn and soda, $14

Something is sincerely wrong with that.......
But the popcorn must be sprinkled with some low grade Cocaine because it is addictive

[Virgil Showlion]

I saw a headline on a newspaper today "Oscars ends in chaos".

I'm not eager to dig through tabloid sites to figure out what that means. Any idea what it might be referring to?

[Value Buy]

Does anyone have the demographics of who and how many watched either show?

[Virgil Showlion]

Feb 27, 2017 21:56:00 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Feb 27, 2017 21:47:22 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

My wife and I still go to the movies occasionally. 90% of the reason is because she likes the popcorn.

When she and my Mom are together, they use each other as an excuse to go to the movies and binge on popcorn.

"Oh, it's not about the popcorn. We just haven't been to the movies in a while."

The correct response is to smile and nod.

Afternoon matinees, $6
Medium popcorn and soda, $14

Something is sincerely wrong with that.......
But the popcorn must be sprinkled with some low grade Cocaine because it is addictive

It has a ridiculous--and I mean ridiculous--amount of fat and salt in it.

I like it and eat it too. Supposedly it's the only way theaters can afford to keep their doors open. Which, given your prices are pretty accurate, isn't hard to believe.

[Value Buy]

Feb 27, 2017 21:56:07 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

I saw a headline on a newspaper today "Oscars ends in chaos".

I'm not eager to dig through tabloid sites to figure out what that means. Any idea what it might be referring to?

Google is your friend my man
It's out there, but I think the Russians interfered in the envelope distribution, but Hollywood elites refuse to accuse of being hacked by the Russians. They blame some poor accounting shmo who handed the envelopes out rather than Admit Putin got to them

Or maybe it was North Korea getting even with Hollywood one more time.

[Tennesseer]

Virgil Showlion
Pricewaterhouse gave the best winner actress envelope to warren beatty (winner of best actress already announced) instead of the best picture envelope as beatty was announcing the best picture winner. So beatty and faye dunaway, confused, announced LaLa Land as best picture when it was later discovered on stage in front of the audience Moonlight had actually won best picture.

[Tennesseer]

Interesting to watch the mistake unfold in real time:

[Opti]

Feb 27, 2017 17:55:27 GMT -5 Opti said:

Feb 27, 2017 17:26:14 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Now if this is the shape of the race track, with the overlapping portions being actual intersections, I could see the race getting interesting.

Watch the contemporary Speed Racer movie. It and some video game courses are really quite cool.  

I found a clip from the movie, but its after the good part so kind of too short to show the cool race track.

There's a point in the race where his car seizes up and he needs to restart quickly in order to finish the race. His father in the stands, knows his only hope is to start the car in 5th gear, which is a non obvious solution but what the engineer who designed the car would know. His son, has to sense what to do with his understanding as a driver. The clip starts after he decides to try 5th gear and indeed the car starts.

 Maybe you'll like the clip anyway or it will inspire you to rent the film.

[Opti]

The best driving film(race car driver) IMO.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senna_(film)

Its a documentary using mostly archival footage. Its an exceptional movie and showcases a couple amazing drivers including Senna himself.

[zibazinski]

Feb 27, 2017 21:58:41 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Feb 27, 2017 21:56:00 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Afternoon matinees, $6
Medium popcorn and soda, $14

Something is sincerely wrong with that.......
But the popcorn must be sprinkled with some low grade Cocaine because it is addictive

It has a ridiculous--and I mean ridiculous--amount of fat and salt in it.

I like it and eat it too. Supposedly it's the only way theaters can afford to keep their doors open. Which, given your prices are pretty accurate, isn't hard to believe.

Theater tickets are hefty here. For a few dollars more, people now attend the over 21 theaters. Great seats and quieter.

[Deleted]

Feb 27, 2017 15:52:30 GMT -5 dezailoooooo said:

Feb 27, 2017 13:26:50 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

I remember other media wars with the White House,  Quote;  "Until this point, the conflict had been mostly a one-sided affair, with Fox News hosts promoting tax day “tea parties” that focused protest on the new president, and more recently bringing down the presidential adviser Van Jones through rugged coverage that caught the administration, and other news organizations, off guard. During the health care debate, Fox News has put a megaphone to opponents, some of whom have advanced far-fetched theories about the impact of reform. And even farther out on the edge, the network’s most visible star of the moment, Glenn Beck, has said the president has “a deep-seated hatred for white people.”

Administration officials seemed to have decided that they had had enough.

“We’re going to treat them the way we would treat an opponent,” Anita Dunn, the White House communications director, said in an interview with The New York Times."

  The whole media thing seems all so familiar these days.   

www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwjju7q887DSAhWM4yYKHeulCJYQFgggMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2009%2F10%2F18%2Fweekinreview%2F18davidcarr.html&usg=AFQjCNGhccMIEdP6l1BbTD4Dij6cpZExTw&bvm=bv.148073327,d.eWE

Dioge...the fact is...and u know it is true..if u don't believe me I will go back and list all in order...our new President ,  he lies..purposely...and when caught out , which in todays world a juvenile could discover and prove..either blames the lie on others or refuses to admit to it even as it stares him in the face...he goes out of his way to embaress our long time allies..see Australia, Mexico...even a bit , Canada...all eleven asian allied nations...he's threatening everyone and seems surprised when the countries and their leaders stand up to him.

He is suggesting spending $ big time...$25 Billion for a wall..[not counting the maintenace of] 15,000 new hires of security and immigration folks at a average of $50,000  plus..[looked up new hire salary] plus all the extra costs so associated..vehicles, badges, weapons, office space,computers, etc...and it seems by so many experts really not needed...or even effective in stopping illegaks crossing..plus more have been leaving then coming in..

His attacks now on all media sources..print over the air...as all false...because he doesn't like the reporting they do...even claims the TONE is wrong....Tone....   This is the POTUS...Not some school yard juvenile who fell and skinned his knee...crying about the tone..the "unfair...unfair"......

This media thing is like nothing that happened before...and then he has the gall to come out and complains what a mess he inhabited....Give me a break already...325 million people...a three trillion GDP...there is always problems...especially in a new administration...but his constant crying...his choices of how to solve problems..even problems thatv really aren't there...the possible deportation of millions ..most having been here for two decades or more..living peacefully..fulfilling important jobs..needed to be done in fields in homes...

He says won't deportations won't  happen but gives his agents marching orders to just carry out their job..mandate...find a illegal...and yes there are millions...whoever..criminal or criminal because here illegally..same guilt...deport..kids who are American citizens..same as my and your kids...to be left...just deport the parent...

This is our new Potus and it seems you and millions are fine with him... ...u will make excuses for him with the " it's just Donald being Donald" on his actions and accept him as such...I and others and the media thank the lord do not and they will continue to call him out.

I only read as far as the bolded part of the post of yours I quoted.  Seems like you're doing the same thing you claim Trump is doing.   Is that why his rhetoric bothers you so much ?

[dezailoooooo]

Mar 2, 2017 13:13:53 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Feb 27, 2017 15:52:30 GMT -5 dezailoooooo said:

Dioge...the fact is...and u know it is true..if u don't believe me I will go back and list all in order...our new President ,  he lies..purposely...and when caught out , which in todays world a juvenile could discover and prove..either blames the lie on others or refuses to admit to it even as it stares him in the face...he goes out of his way to embaress our long time allies..see Australia, Mexico...even a bit , Canada...all eleven asian allied nations...he's threatening everyone and seems surprised when the countries and their leaders stand up to him.

He is suggesting spending $ big time...$25 Billion for a wall..[not counting the maintenace of] 15,000 new hires of security and immigration folks at a average of $50,000  plus..[looked up new hire salary] plus all the extra costs so associated..vehicles, badges, weapons, office space,computers, etc...and it seems by so many experts really not needed...or even effective in stopping illegaks crossing..plus more have been leaving then coming in..

His attacks now on all media sources..print over the air...as all false...because he doesn't like the reporting they do...even claims the TONE is wrong....Tone....   This is the POTUS...Not some school yard juvenile who fell and skinned his knee...crying about the tone..the "unfair...unfair"......

This media thing is like nothing that happened before...and then he has the gall to come out and complains what a mess he inhabited....Give me a break already...325 million people...a three trillion GDP...there is always problems...especially in a new administration...but his constant crying...his choices of how to solve problems..even problems thatv really aren't there...the possible deportation of millions ..most having been here for two decades or more..living peacefully..fulfilling important jobs..needed to be done in fields in homes...

He says won't deportations won't  happen but gives his agents marching orders to just carry out their job..mandate...find a illegal...and yes there are millions...whoever..criminal or criminal because here illegally..same guilt...deport..kids who are American citizens..same as my and your kids...to be left...just deport the parent...

This is our new Potus and it seems you and millions are fine with him... ...u will make excuses for him with the " it's just Donald being Donald" on his actions and accept him as such...I and others and the media thank the lord do not and they will continue to call him out.

I only read as far as the bolded part of the post of yours I quoted.  Seems like you're doing the same thing you claim Trump is doing.   Is that why his rhetoric bothers you so much ?

I am just a retired joe shmo..served my country...fired my weapon..got shot back at...went on with my life..raised the kids..educated em...great grand kids...my rhetoric means squat..ignore ..or not means nothing...this guy..his rhetoric...his doings...he's the damn POTUS...there is a difference even though I wish there wasn't but seriously...no comparison.

[Deleted]

Mar 2, 2017 13:30:50 GMT -5 dezailoooooo said:

Mar 2, 2017 13:13:53 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

I only read as far as the bolded part of the post of yours I quoted.  Seems like you're doing the same thing you claim Trump is doing.   Is that why his rhetoric bothers you so much ?

I am just a retired joe shmo..served my country...fired my weapon..got shot back at...went on with my life..raised the kids..educated em...great grand kids...my rhetoric means squat..ignore ..or not means nothing...this guy..his rhetoric...his doings...he's the damn POTUS...there is a difference even though I wish there wasn't but seriously...no comparison.

I listened to most of his address to Congress.  I read your posts.  I've come to the conclusion you both have different ideals.  I like his better.  To convince me otherwise, will take a different approach than the one you are currently using.

[dezailoooooo]

Mar 2, 2017 13:49:59 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Mar 2, 2017 13:30:50 GMT -5 dezailoooooo said:

I am just a retired joe shmo..served my country...fired my weapon..got shot back at...went on with my life..raised the kids..educated em...great grand kids...my rhetoric means squat..ignore ..or not means nothing...this guy..his rhetoric...his doings...he's the damn POTUS...there is a difference even though I wish there wasn't but seriously...no comparison.

I listened to most of his address to Congress.  I read your posts.  I've come to the conclusion you both have different ideals.  I like his better.  To convince me otherwise, will take a different approach than the one you are currently using.

Hey your right...u may be correct...for me his whole personality and sayings bother me but the biggest draw back is his constant lieing...just on that speech u and I listened too..13 lies...and in front of Congress...a bit much for me...ok with u..hey...what makes the world go around..


www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/02/28/fact-checking-president-trumps-address-to-congress/?utm_term=.9dc97c3b60b5&wpisrc=nl_most-draw14&wpmm=1

[Deleted]

Mar 2, 2017 14:06:03 GMT -5 dezailoooooo said:

Mar 2, 2017 13:49:59 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

I listened to most of his address to Congress.  I read your posts.  I've come to the conclusion you both have different ideals.  I like his better.  To convince me otherwise, will take a different approach than the one you are currently using.

Hey your right...u may be correct...for me his whole personality and sayings bother me but the biggest draw back is his constant lieing...just on that speech u and I listened too..13 lies...and in front of Congress...a bit much for me...ok with u..hey...what makes the world go around..


www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/02/28/fact-checking-president-trumps-address-to-congress/?utm_term=.9dc97c3b60b5&wpisrc=nl_most-draw14&wpmm=1

You're in the minority.   

  www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwiHvt23w7jSAhXTTiYKHdXpAZ8QqUMIJDAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbsnews.com%2Fnews%2Fcbs-news-poll-viewers-strongly-approve-president-trump-speech-call-it-unifying-presidential%2F&usg=AFQjCNFzLBmrtGvd6_c7G6TLpdKETjN1rQ&bvm=bv.148747831,d.eWE

[dezailoooooo]

Mar 2, 2017 14:13:18 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Mar 2, 2017 14:06:03 GMT -5 dezailoooooo said:

Hey your right...u may be correct...for me his whole personality and sayings bother me but the biggest draw back is his constant lieing...just on that speech u and I listened too..13 lies...and in front of Congress...a bit much for me...ok with u..hey...what makes the world go around..


www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/02/28/fact-checking-president-trumps-address-to-congress/?utm_term=.9dc97c3b60b5&wpisrc=nl_most-draw14&wpmm=1

You're in the minority.

  www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwiHvt23w7jSAhXTTiYKHdXpAZ8QqUMIJDAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbsnews.com%2Fnews%2Fcbs-news-poll-viewers-strongly-approve-president-trump-speech-call-it-unifying-presidential%2F&usg=AFQjCNFzLBmrtGvd6_c7G6TLpdKETjN1rQ&bvm=bv.148747831,d.eWE

Viewers?   Sure......listen to a speech...like what they hear...agree with the words...go to sleep happy...wake up happy.

Then there are a few who listen...happy that the Potus they don't support sounded Presidential finally even if have a few questions on the points raised in the speech. Then the next day a few of those fact checking articles come out..

[Saw three different ones on this speech of the Donalds}

Took the time to read them all...to the end....have u done so? If so and u find still nothing wrong...then what can I say...I am guessing very few of those in favor of the speech have or will take the time to read those types of articles calling in questions the claims made...

I was lied to years ago as many of us where..and ended up in a bad place, losing many friends to injuries or worse..doing stuff...so unlike u I don't believe outright these types of people anymore because too many do not tell the truth..

This one has become notoriouse with his questionable  claims...your welcome to them with out questioning them...good luck with that.

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Mar 2, 2017 14:28:33 GMT -5 dezailoooooo said:

Mar 2, 2017 14:13:18 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

You're in the minority.

  www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwiHvt23w7jSAhXTTiYKHdXpAZ8QqUMIJDAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbsnews.com%2Fnews%2Fcbs-news-poll-viewers-strongly-approve-president-trump-speech-call-it-unifying-presidential%2F&usg=AFQjCNFzLBmrtGvd6_c7G6TLpdKETjN1rQ&bvm=bv.148747831,d.eWE

Viewers?   Sure......listen to a speech...like what they hear...agree with the words...go to sleep happy...wake up happy.

Then there are a few who listen...happy that the Potus they don't support sounded Presidential finally even if have a few questions on the points raised in the speech. Then the next day a few of those fact checking articles come out..

[Saw three different ones on this speech of the Donalds}

Took the time to read them all...to the end....have u done so? If so and u find still nothing wrong...then what can I say...I am guessing very few of those in favor of the speech have or will take the time to read those types of articles calling in questions the claims made...

I was lied to years ago as many of us where..and ended up in a bad place, losing many friends to injuries or worse..doing stuff...so unlike u I don't believe outright these types of people anymore because too many do not tell the truth..

This one has become notoriouse with his questionable  claims...your welcome to them with out questioning them...good luck with that.

Like Obama speeches.

[thyme4change]

Feb 27, 2017 21:50:40 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Feb 27, 2017 21:39:35 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

MSN had a poll on it's front page yesterday with Oscar choices.
Over 50 percent of participants clicked on the choice "have not seen any", but only listed the top four or five choicees. Kind of scary number imo.
LaLa Land paid homage to the golden years of song and dance in the movies, and was considered the front runner because it kissed Hollywood's feel good about us theme.

That makes me feel better.

When I looked up movies in 2016, I noticed that virtually of the nominees were released in November or December of last year. There was something big going on around that time. Can't quite remember what it was...

More or less true every year. Most don't make it to "wide release" until January.

[weltschmerz]

I like going to the Dollar Cinema. Admission is $2.50 and all snacks are $1.

Many of the movies are only about a month old.

[dezailoooooo]

Mar 2, 2017 14:36:32 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Mar 2, 2017 14:28:33 GMT -5 dezailoooooo said:

Viewers?   Sure......listen to a speech...like what they hear...agree with the words...go to sleep happy...wake up happy.

Then there are a few who listen...happy that the Potus they don't support sounded Presidential finally even if have a few questions on the points raised in the speech. Then the next day a few of those fact checking articles come out..

[Saw three different ones on this speech of the Donalds}

Took the time to read them all...to the end....have u done so? If so and u find still nothing wrong...then what can I say...I am guessing very few of those in favor of the speech have or will take the time to read those types of articles calling in questions the claims made...

I was lied to years ago as many of us where..and ended up in a bad place, losing many friends to injuries or worse..doing stuff...so unlike u I don't believe outright these types of people anymore because too many do not tell the truth..

This one has become notoriouse with his questionable  claims...your welcome to them with out questioning them...good luck with that.

Like Obama speeches.

i'm not sure what your suggesting....Obama is no longer President ..if u are trying to compare the deliverence and presentation of a Obama speech to one from the Donald, IMHO...there is no comparison. Obama is one of the great..great speech givers of out times...even those who disagree with his policies have praised his speeches...his speech at the nemorial service ..church people killed...then ending with Amazing Grace off the cuff...just thinking about it gives ne chills..

If u are suggesting that Obama purposly lied in his speeches as our Donald does...then please point them out..I will come down on him as hard as I do with the Donald..even though he is now out of office...If u show me a one or possible two claims that may have not played out but at the time was a possibility ..that is not what I am showing on the Donald. Are u just bringing up Obama for whatever? Did u read the artickle I put the link uo for u..

Really don't know what your referring about with your post "Like Obama Speeches "...u have me guessing here...

[weltschmerz]

Mar 2, 2017 14:36:32 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Mar 2, 2017 14:28:33 GMT -5 dezailoooooo said:

Viewers?   Sure......listen to a speech...like what they hear...agree with the words...go to sleep happy...wake up happy.

Then there are a few who listen...happy that the Potus they don't support sounded Presidential finally even if have a few questions on the points raised in the speech. Then the next day a few of those fact checking articles come out..

[Saw three different ones on this speech of the Donalds}

Took the time to read them all...to the end....have u done so? If so and u find still nothing wrong...then what can I say...I am guessing very few of those in favor of the speech have or will take the time to read those types of articles calling in questions the claims made...

I was lied to years ago as many of us where..and ended up in a bad place, losing many friends to injuries or worse..doing stuff...so unlike u I don't believe outright these types of people anymore because too many do not tell the truth..

This one has become notoriouse with his questionable  claims...your welcome to them with out questioning them...good luck with that.

Like Obama speeches.

At least the Obama speeches were a reflection of the man that he is.
The Trump speech was the total antithesis of Trump's personality. It was a joke.

[weltschmerz]

A guy who refused to rent to blacks was blathering about civil rights.

He's waxing poetic about "national pride sweeping our nation", while more than half the population is embarrassed that he's POTUS.


"Draining the swamp of corruption" by installing billionaire lobbyists into leadership roles.

Whining about manufacturing jobs going overseas, while his own line of clothing, as well as Ivanka's, are made overseas. Then he has the nerve to whine about Nordstroms dropping Ivanka's line, which is made in Indonesia, China and Vietnam.

"Protect patients from unnecessary costs?" Please. His Big Pharma cronies talked him out of lowering costs for pharmaceuticals.

Funding for veterans? He doesn't give a crap abut veterans, and everyone knows it.

" We all bleed the same blood."  Except if you're Muslim, of course.

"America is free."   So free, that refugees are fleeing in droves, escaping into Canada.

The speech was bullshit piled up on top of other bullshit.