And the naysayers here said he would not do it

[pappyjohn99]

Jan 28, 2017 14:45:19 GMT -5 Wisconsin Beth said:

You know, I've never understood why we hated the Berlin Wall but we're fine wi t h the Jerusalem Wall. And now our own.

I think it was because the Berlin Wall was intended to keep people in, the Jerusalem was was is to protect it's citizens and keep people out.

[djAdvocate]

i didn't ask for sunshine, and i got world war three,
i'm looking over the wall, and they're looking at me.

[jkapp]

Jan 28, 2017 11:39:12 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 28, 2017 9:48:43 GMT -5 jkapp said:

How so?  You mean the 7.65% SS/Med taxes?  That's hardy 15.3%.

you didn't read what i said, as usual.  and it is precisely 15.3%

.  But even then, how would they pay those taxes if they don't have SS numbers?  Oh, that's right, they steal people's identities...yet more crimes committed by illegals.

not quite.  often they are just random numbers.  but i am done talking with you about this and most other things.  bye.

Really?  It is precisely 15.3%?  You are counting in the half that the business owners kick in?  Or do you actually believe all of the illegals own their own businesses?   Oh, and they are "sometimes" just random numbers...so they are only committing fraud, then.  Wow, how nice of them...

Oops...I see you are taking that wonderful liberal debate attitude: "What?  You are disagreeing with my incorrect numbers and disagreeing with every word I say?!  Well, then I'm not talking to you anymore!  Naa naa naa naa naaaaaa naa!!!"

[djAdvocate]

Jan 29, 2017 11:27:54 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Jan 28, 2017 11:39:12 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

not quite.  often they are just random numbers.  but i am done talking with you about this and most other things.  bye.

Really?  It is precisely 15.3%? 

no.  it is usually more than that.  which is actually what i said, if you bothered to read it.

You are counting in the half that the business owners kick in?  Or do you actually believe all of the illegals own their own businesses?

again, you failed to read it.  i didn't claim i was all them.

Oops...I see you are taking that wonderful liberal debate attitude: "What?  You are disagreeing with my incorrect numbers and disagreeing with every word I say?!  Well, then I'm not talking to you anymore!  Naa naa naa naa naaaaaa naa!!!"

if the "liberal attitude" means that i ask you to read what i post and not lie about it, then yes.  but since you seem incapable of that, i think we are done, here.  you can go play "poo wars" with the other children.

[jkapp]

Jan 29, 2017 11:31:58 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 29, 2017 11:27:54 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Really?  It is precisely 15.3%? 

no.  it is usually more than that.  which is actually what i said, if you bothered to read it.

You are counting in the half that the business owners kick in?  Or do you actually believe all of the illegals own their own businesses?

again, you failed to read it.  i didn't claim i was all them.

Oops...I see you are taking that wonderful liberal debate attitude: "What?  You are disagreeing with my incorrect numbers and disagreeing with every word I say?!  Well, then I'm not talking to you anymore!  Naa naa naa naa naaaaaa naa!!!"

if the "liberal attitude" means that i ask you to read what i post and not lie about it, then yes.  but since you seem incapable of that, i think we are done, here.  you can go play "poo wars" with the other children.

All right, I'm game...here is what you posted:

"the "illegals" generally have at least 15.3% that goes to the gov, so that seems more than reasonable to me."

So what makes up the "at least 15.3%" number?  Because that's a pretty specific number, and is (maybe just coincidentally?) twice the employee portions of SS and Medicare (6.2% + 1.45% = 7.65% --> 7.65% x 2 = 15.3%).  So not only am I very interested to hear the breakdown of that 15.3%, I am also very interested in knowing in what way I lied about it.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 29, 2017 11:43:50 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Jan 29, 2017 11:31:58 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

if the "liberal attitude" means that i ask you to read what i post and not lie about it, then yes.  but since you seem incapable of that, i think we are done, here.  you can go play "poo wars" with the other children.

All right, I'm game...here is what you posted:

"the "illegals" generally have at least 15.3% that goes to the gov, so that seems more than reasonable to me."

So what makes up the "at least 15.3%" number?  Because that's a pretty specific number, and is (maybe just coincidentally?) twice the employee portions of SS and Medicare (6.2% + 1.45% = 7.65% --> 7.65% x 2 = 15.3%).  So not only am I very interested to hear the breakdown of that 15.3%, I am also very interested in knowing in what way I lied about it.

if by game you mean that i post very carefully and mean precisely what i say, that is correct.

as to how you lied about it, i will have to review the posts and chronicle the lies.  in order to do that, i will have to post this first, and then go back and edit it, so give me a few mins.  tyia.

1) How so? You mean the 7.65% SS/Med taxes? That's hardy 15.3%.  it is at least 15.3%, precisely as i stated.  since "illegals" have no collection mechanism for the other 7.65% (since it is NOT their social security number) the remaining 7.65% becomes part of the general fund, just like any other PIT.

2) "What? You are disagreeing with my incorrect numbers and disagreeing with every word I say?!"
no, i was disagreeing with your interpretation of the numbers.  we can have a nice conversation about that, or you can go off on a childish rant about it, and fling accusations about it.

we didn't even have to argue about this, jk.  i had no problem with your 15-20%.  my point was that if an employer is already sending 15.3% to the government for illegal labor, he can send 15-20% for legal labor.  that was my ONLY point.  the rest of this stuff is...well, i don't know what it is, frankly.

i have asked you nicely to stop responding to my posts.  would you prefer "less nice", or can you leave it at that?

[dezailoooooo]

Jan 28, 2017 10:04:02 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I imagine many here are shocked that five days in office Trump actually followed through on his rhetoric from the election.
It was a darn good start to the four years.
I was pleased to see he was not all talk and no action. America finally got what they voted for.
A president of action.

Just wait until he has Congress actually passing legislation.

Not surprised u feel that way Value..in fact I think impressions mean a lot to u. Believe if u were on the ill fated Titanic back in the day, u would give a   to the Captain of the ship..he looked like just about the most qualified and distinguised gentleman to ever command the largest ship of the time....However,  when the chips were  down,  it is reported he disappeared into his cabin, never to appear again. No direction , leadership to make sure lifeboats were properly filled so more could be saved...just threw his hands up in dispair , said abandon ship and disappeared forever...

Hope the same doesn't happen with your leader..it seems in a short time, nine days..the s--t seems to be hitting that proverbial fan.

[Value Buy]

Jan 29, 2017 15:04:20 GMT -5 dezailoooooo said:

Jan 28, 2017 10:04:02 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I imagine many here are shocked that five days in office Trump actually followed through on his rhetoric from the election.
It was a darn good start to the four years.
I was pleased to see he was not all talk and no action. America finally got what they voted for.
A president of action.

Just wait until he has Congress actually passing legislation.

Not surprised u feel that way Value..in fact I think impressions mean a lot to u. Believe if u were on the ill fated Titanic back in the day, u would give a   to the Captain of the ship..he looked like just about the most qualified and distinguised gentleman to ever command the largest ship of the time....However,  when the chips were  down,  it is reported he disappeared into his cabin, never to appear again. No direction , leadership to make sure lifeboats were properly filled so more could be saved...just threw his hands up in dispair , said abandon ship and disappeared forever...

Hope the same doesn't happen with your leader..it seems in a short time, nine days..the s--t seems to be hitting that proverbial fan.

LOL, Read your first sentence.....
Pot meet kettle.

[Value Buy]

A week and two days now.
Hysteria from the left, and yet all news outlets have professors and lawyers telling the talking heads Trump is well on o the side of being totally Constitutionally legal in his temporary ban of people from Terrorist racked countries.
You can even thank President Obama for leaving the list of countries Trump used in the ban.

We voted him in, and he is fulfilling his pledges to the American citizens.
How refreshing.

[Deleted]

You might need to expand the circle from which you receive 'news'...

[Value Buy]

Now that we have the new nominee for the Supreme Court announced, we see that our new President means business and is filling as many of his promises as he can early into the second week of his Presidency.
I wonder what he has planned for us in week three.
At this rate he should be able to retire with his job finished and turn the reigns over to Pence by July Fourth.
Then the left will rue the day they did not bother voting for Hillary.

[tallguy]

They already do.  Have for weeks.

[Tennesseer]

Feb 1, 2017 19:02:02 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Now that we have the new nominee for the Supreme Court announced, we see that our new President means business and is filling as many of his promises as he can early into the second week of his Presidency.
I wonder what he has planned for us in week three.
At this rate he should be able to retire with his job finished and turn the reigns over to Pence by July Fourth.
Then the left will rue the day they did not bother voting for Hillary.

If retire is a euphemism for impeached, you might be right.

[dezailoooooo]

Jan 30, 2017 8:03:29 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

A week and two days now.
Hysteria from the left, and yet all news outlets have professors and lawyers telling the talking heads Trump is well on o the side of being totally Constitutionally legal in his temporary ban of people from Terrorist racked countries.
You can even thank President Obama for leaving the list of countries Trump used in the ban.

We voted him in, and he is fulfilling his pledges to the American citizens.
How refreshing.

No u and other like minded folks like u voted him in..lucky  enough in the right part of the country..our bad.[sigh]

By fulfilling his so called pledge and complete disregard for millions, and millions, and millions...even supporters of his who are turning from him.. and doing absolutly NOTHING AT ALL to heal the country , bringing the country together..so it is as split right now as much as it has never been since the time of our civil war, 1860's. 

We are as far apart now as we were during my time serving..At least one of our POTUS  left the office because he was aware of that and hoped it would heal the nation..it didn't but at least he tried.

This leader of yours..in three weeks has driven a stake into the heart of so many of it's citizens...made allies question who we are..is actually considering making nice with a foreign leader who interrupted our electorial process for their/his own wants  and has insulted our neighbor to the south...6 million American jobs depend on good relations with them..for years they were not friendly toward us..since about the 1980's that changed..three weeks in we are back to the badtimes..p off seven asian countries ..allies too and according to blogs , it looks like he is ready to pull out of the paris accords too.

"We voted him in, and he is fulfilling his pledges to the American citizens.

How refreshing."

In a pigs eye...

[Value Buy]

"In a pig's eye"

Are you referencing the hard left here?
Are you calling them pigs?

[dezailoooooo]

Feb 2, 2017 5:05:55 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

"In a pig's eye"

Are you referencing the hard left here?
Are you calling them pigs?

........

[mmhmm]

Feb 2, 2017 5:05:55 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

"In a pig's eye"

Are you referencing the hard left here?
Are you calling them pigs?

Oh, for Pete's sake, VB! That's a very common saying and doesn't mean anything close to what you're intimating. I'm sure you know that. Let's not stoop to the level of looking for something to pick a fight over, shall we? It's beneath you to do so.