I was much happier on the Politics board in 2012

[tallguy]

"Honor" and "dignity" transplants would likely help Trump too.  

[Virgil Showlion]

We haven't done a census of active P/CE posters in a while. I nominate VB for the duty.

Value Buy: Go to the "Members" page, sort by number of posts, and pick out all members who (in your estimation) post at least 1-2 times per week on any of the political or current events threads. For each one, rate them as one of: Main Contributor (posts multiple times daily), Occasional Contributor (posts once per day), Infrequent Contributor (posts 1-4 times per week). Provide an estimate of where they lie socially on the left/right spectrum on a scale of -10 (highly progressive) to 10 (highly conservative), with +/-10 being equivalent to the most conservative (progressive) poster on YMAM.

Finally, rather than Republican/Democrat/Independent, rate each member according to the percentage of "Who's worse: Trump or Clinton?" threads/debates where the member named Pres. Trump as being worse. For example, DJ (sorry to call you out, man, but you're right here) would rate 100% while Shooby would rate 0%.

If you need help figuring out posters' posting frequency, political orientation, and Trump-Clinton rating, just ask here in this thread. Building the table should only take 15 minutes or so.

Your anticipated compliance is much appreciated.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 9, 2017 12:42:36 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

We haven't done a census of active P/CE posters in a while. I nominate VB for the duty.

Value Buy : Go to the "Members" page, sort by number of posts, and pick out all members who (in your estimation) post at least 1-2 times per week on any of the political or current events threads. For each one, rate them as one of: Main Contributor (posts multiple times daily), Occasional Contributor (posts once per day), Infrequent Contributor (posts 1-4 times per week). Provide an estimate of where they lie socially on the left/right spectrum on a scale of -10 (highly progressive) to 10 (highly conservative), with +/-10 being equivalent to the most conservative (progressive) poster on YMAM.

Finally, rather than Republican/Democrat/Independent, rate each member according to the percentage of "Who's worse: Trump or Clinton?" threads/debates where the member named Pres. Trump as being worse. For example, DJ (sorry to call you out, man, but you're right here) would rate 100% while Shooby would rate 0%.

If you need help figuring out posters' posting frequency, political orientation, and Trump-Clinton rating, just ask here in this thread. Building the table should only take 15 minutes or so.

Your anticipated compliance is much appreciated.

Virgil- i have no problem when you say things that are verifiably TRUE.  my issue is when you extrapolate and make assumptions without verity.

[dondub]

Virgil,

 How much are you paying VB to do your scut work?

[djAdvocate]

Jan 9, 2017 12:35:25 GMT -5 tallguy said:

"Honor" and "dignity" transplants would likely help Trump too.  

he could always reverse course on immigration to help fix that. 

[weltschmerz]

Jan 9, 2017 12:42:36 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

We haven't done a census of active P/CE posters in a while. I nominate VB for the duty.

Value Buy : Go to the "Members" page, sort by number of posts, and pick out all members who (in your estimation) post at least 1-2 times per week on any of the political or current events threads. For each one, rate them as one of: Main Contributor (posts multiple times daily), Occasional Contributor (posts once per day), Infrequent Contributor (posts 1-4 times per week). Provide an estimate of where they lie socially on the left/right spectrum on a scale of -10 (highly progressive) to 10 (highly conservative), with +/-10 being equivalent to the most conservative (progressive) poster on YMAM.

Finally, rather than Republican/Democrat/Independent, rate each member according to the percentage of "Who's worse: Trump or Clinton?" threads/debates where the member named Pres. Trump as being worse. For example, DJ (sorry to call you out, man, but you're right here) would rate 100% while Shooby would rate 0%.

If you need help figuring out posters' posting frequency, political orientation, and Trump-Clinton rating, just ask here in this thread. Building the table should only take 15 minutes or so.

Your anticipated compliance is much appreciated.

Virgil, that's the kind of obsessive compulsive behaviour YOU thrive on.
Stop encouraging others to behave in a similar fashion.

[Virgil Showlion]

Jan 9, 2017 13:01:45 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Jan 9, 2017 12:42:36 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

We haven't done a census of active P/CE posters in a while. I nominate VB for the duty.

Value Buy : Go to the "Members" page, sort by number of posts, and pick out all members who (in your estimation) post at least 1-2 times per week on any of the political or current events threads. For each one, rate them as one of: Main Contributor (posts multiple times daily), Occasional Contributor (posts once per day), Infrequent Contributor (posts 1-4 times per week). Provide an estimate of where they lie socially on the left/right spectrum on a scale of -10 (highly progressive) to 10 (highly conservative), with +/-10 being equivalent to the most conservative (progressive) poster on YMAM.

Finally, rather than Republican/Democrat/Independent, rate each member according to the percentage of "Who's worse: Trump or Clinton?" threads/debates where the member named Pres. Trump as being worse. For example, DJ (sorry to call you out, man, but you're right here) would rate 100% while Shooby would rate 0%.

If you need help figuring out posters' posting frequency, political orientation, and Trump-Clinton rating, just ask here in this thread. Building the table should only take 15 minutes or so.

Your anticipated compliance is much appreciated.

Virgil, that's the kind of obsessive compulsive behaviour YOU thrive on.
Stop encouraging others to behave in a similar fashion.

Uh huh.

The most recent page of your post history, barring some comments on recipes and squirrels, is wall-to-wall criticism of Pres. Trump. And not even meaningful criticism. It's just calling him and the posters who support him names. I'll bet you all the squirrels in Toronto we'd find the same thing going back 2, 5, even 15 pages.

I suggest a census of P/CE and I'm obsessive?

Maybe I am. But at least you won't find my post record stuffed to the gills with censuses.

[steff]

I see the Republican supporters here had no response.   No surprising at all.  They apparently are okay with gutting our country & selling us out to Russia just because "winning" is the be all end all. 

If you aren't okay with, why are you unable to respond?   And not meaning respond in the Shooby "but Obama!" snark, but a real actual response.

would you be sitting quietly by if the shoe was on the other foot & it was Hillary rushing thru Cabinet picks without vetting?  In some cases without even having all their paperwork in yet?  Would you really be sitting here & not saying a word about her Cabinet nominees foreign ties & the potential for them to make money off of them? 

Somehow I don't think you would be.  

[dezailoooooo]

Jan 9, 2017 14:08:43 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Jan 9, 2017 13:01:45 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Virgil, that's the kind of obsessive compulsive behaviour YOU thrive on.
Stop encouraging others to behave in a similar fashion.

Uh huh.

The most recent page of your post history, barring some comments on recipes and squirrels, is wall-to-wall criticism of Pres. Trump. And not even meaningful criticism. It's just calling him and the posters who support him names. I'll bet you all the squirrels in Toronto we'd find the same thing going back 2, 5, even 15 pages.

I suggest a census of P/CE and I'm obsessive?

Maybe I am. But at least you won't find my post record stuffed to the gills with censuses.

I believe it is President elect Trump till 1/20...and definitly admit to being one to label the President ELECT  a sleeze...

[dezailoooooo]

Jan 9, 2017 14:29:28 GMT -5 steff said:

I see the Republican supporters here had no response.   No surprising at all.  They apparently are okay with gutting our country & selling us out to Russia just because "winning" is the be all end all. 

If you aren't okay with, why are you unable to respond?   And not meaning respond in the Shooby "but Obama!" snark, but a real actual response.

would you be sitting quietly by if the shoe was on the other foot & it was Hillary rushing thru Cabinet picks without vetting?  In some cases without even having all their paperwork in yet?  Would you really be sitting here & not saying a word about her Cabinet nominees foreign ties & the potential for them to make money off of them? 

Somehow I don't think you would be.  

Of course they wouldn't and personally for me...wherever they could, a little payback wouldn't be out of place...never said or suggested I am a nice person..a bit embittered...? why not.

[weltschmerz]

Jan 9, 2017 14:08:43 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Jan 9, 2017 13:01:45 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Virgil, that's the kind of obsessive compulsive behaviour YOU thrive on.
Stop encouraging others to behave in a similar fashion.

Uh huh.

The most recent page of your post history, barring some comments on recipes and squirrels, is wall-to-wall criticism of Pres. Trump. And not even meaningful criticism. It's just calling him and the posters who support him names. I'll bet you all the squirrels in Toronto we'd find the same thing going back 2, 5, even 15 pages.

I suggest a census of P/CE and I'm obsessive?

Maybe I am. But at least you won't find my post record stuffed to the gills with censuses.

Recipes. Squirrels. Visiting Canada. High price of healthcare. Spelling and grammar. Low carbs.
Critical thinking in schools. Being shot in the head. Physician-assisted suicide. How to warm up a car.
The weather, etc.


Don't lie. It's unbecoming.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jan 9, 2017 12:28:45 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Jan 9, 2017 11:24:47 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

That may be, but all three of the people that you mention came up rather quickly, especially Jimmy Carter, who emerged almost as quickly and surprisingly as Donald Trump has.

However 2020 will be a referendum on Trump.  If he does well he will likely have eight years if he really wants them, like any President.  If he bombs, Hillary may be able to run and win in 2020.  ;~) 

Oh dear lord no!!

You'd have to be blind not to see the possibility. GOP voters are principled. If Trump and the GOP don't deliver on immigration and border security, the repeal of ObamaCare, better trade deals, and tax reform-- the White House, the House, and the Senate will be gone so fast their heads will spin.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jan 9, 2017 11:48:45 GMT -5 dezailoooooo said:

Jan 9, 2017 11:42:01 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Jimmy Carter is actually one of the under-rated political geniuses of our time. His failed presidency has eclipsed the incredible meteoric rise-- and the techniques he used.  Something very interesting he did was (mind you he didn't have a computer- or Google- or email) he compiled a list of all of the Dems who ran in the '74 mid-terms and LOST (not won) and he wrote each of them encouraging them to keep trying. By encouragement of those out of power, but who had run campaigns and were well-known and connected, he created loyal supporters. When he announced (with a 2% name-recognition) he had an army of support in all 50 states of those he had simply reached out to with a bit of encouragement.  He's a grumpy old asshole now- no doubt bitter about the fact that his presidency is regarded as one of the worst and the credit for the stuff he did right (Paul Volker comes to mind) went to Reagan (and he's an awnry antisemite to boot) but he was at the time known as one of the nicest people in politics-- contrasted with the Nixon-era and on the heels of Ford's pardon of Nixon-- he perfectly positioned himself for the win. 

"He's a grumpy old asshole now"...are u sure about that? Man seems to have gained  great respects around the globe and no not just because of his helping build homes for the poor. He has authored numerouse books..seems just about all well received by those in the know...he has been successful as a diplomat being sent to some of the scariest places on earth to negotiate with some of the most horrible people and been successful..believe he is in his 90's..was diagnosed with a Cancer but now seems in remission.

A far as his being anti-semetic, I question that.

I know he got along better with the late Egyptian leader Sedat vs the Israeli PM Begin..who wouldn't. Sedat very personable..Begin anything but..but is that a surprise?

Begin was a flinty person, shaped by the holocaust..having lost so many families..leader of the militant band..Irgun..party in the beginning if the State hoping to be it's leader..lost that one.

Leading up to the fight for independence..to force British out of the area..give up the mandate conducted attacks against British...Irgun blew up the King David Hotel killing numerouse British officers and enlisted men and wounding hundreds more when the Hotel was a unofficial British HQ..Begin sanctioned the attack as Irgun leader..as he was when the Irgun hung three British solders  in retaliation of the British hanging captured Jews they accused of terrorism...then leader of Israel.

Since then Carter criticised Israeli treatment of the Palastinians, feel a two State solution is the way to go..Actually many feel Israelis treat the Palastinians in the terrotories like crap..even so many Israelis feel the same way..

Feel with out a two state solution Israeli in time is doomed as a democracy as in time the Palestineans will surpass Israelis an population and if u don't then give them all the vote equally then u become a aparti State..think like South AFrica back in the day....World turns against u..all kinds of sanctions on...probably USA too...and then what..so because he feels there should be a two state solution..liked Sedat over Begin...does that in your mind make him a anti semite?

Personally I don't believe so but that is me.

When Carter was President, it had barely been 10 years since ALL of Israel's Arab neighbors had to be repelled from a second attempt to exterminate Israel and the Jews- Egypt among them. This thread isn't the place to rehash ancient history of the Arab-Israeli conflict, but the short version is the Arab / Islamic nations are the cause of, and will have to be the solution to the problem.

[zibazinski]

I can't believe how long these ex president bastards live sucking off the great medical care, secret service protection, and salaries. There needs to be a limit to all of it. As well as the politicians.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

I suggest a census of P/CE and I'm obsessive?

I'm starting a spread sheet now. 

[countrygirl2]

Uhhhh, just tell him he is big and handsome and you love his flip over hairstyle. LOL!

[Deleted]

Jan 9, 2017 11:24:47 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Jan 9, 2017 10:48:06 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Meh. Who cares. The REALITY is that the Democratic Party has shed independents, the white working class, evangelicals, and is even waning with minorities this year as Clinton just didn't excite anyone. I am looking forward to 2020 not really seeing any clear, strong, persuasive or compelling candidates on the horizon on their side? There's no Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, or Obama anywhere in sight.

That may be, but all three of the people that you mention came up rather quickly, especially Jimmy Carter, who emerged almost as quickly and surprisingly as Donald Trump has.

However 2020 will be a referendum on Trump.  If he does well he will likely have eight years if he really wants them, like any President.  If he bombs, Hillary may be able to run and win in 2020.  ;~) 

Hillary's got no chance unless Trump chooses to NOT run... and even then, her chances won't be as good in 2020 as they were in 2016 (people will finally know all the dirt on her by then). The Republican replacing Trump (if he chooses to not run for a second term) would have to REALLY suck... and so badly... that he/she makes Donald look good. I have trouble envisioning such a person, considering I expect Donald to suck so badly he makes Obama look good in comparison.

[zibazinski]

You know what's sad? I have friends and close family that voted both ways and they still manage to be civil even while disagreeing. They don't call each other names or act like spoiled little snowflakes. The losing side isn't happy about losing of course anymore than the winning side would have been if they lost but they aren't acting like movie stars who live in their own little unrealistic world like college professors. They even argue about Meryl Streep who thinks what she says is relevant to anyone but her little group. The liberals think she asked people to be nice, the conservatives think she went all political and is as tacky as the rest of Hollywood. But no one is calling each other names, just two different points of view. Neither side was thrilled that I wrote in a candidate but they haven't stoned me or called me stupid. Everyone knows I think very little of actors, not only of their acting ability which I think is always overrated but that they actually think someone cares what they have to say outside a movie set where they're fed lines because they don't know how to think otherwise. That to me is the saddest thing of All is That they believe the hype that they're relevant to anyone but Hollywood. Notice no one has moved? How sad that their temper tantrum only made them look even dumber than they already were. I don't understand why posters can't disagree without calling each other names or acting like 2 year olds. Some people act all hysterical which is just frightening to even read their posts. They may feel passionate but they sound crazy. Calm down and do what you feel is right but in a rational manner. You might win some converts to either side if you don't turn people off by them thinking you're nuts.

[Deleted]

Jan 9, 2017 12:21:30 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 9, 2017 8:56:35 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

When you're young and a "star" you're expected to be different. When you're a professional or a wanna be, your hair and dress should reflect it.

what happened to President Trump?

Don't know... who's "President Trump"?

[Deleted]

Jan 9, 2017 14:29:28 GMT -5 steff said:

I see the Republican supporters here had no response.   No surprising at all.  They apparently are okay with gutting our country & selling us out to Russia just because "winning" is the be all end all. 

If you aren't okay with, why are you unable to respond?   And not meaning respond in the Shooby "but Obama!" snark, but a real actual response.

would you be sitting quietly by if the shoe was on the other foot & it was Hillary rushing thru Cabinet picks without vetting?  In some cases without even having all their paperwork in yet?  Would you really be sitting here & not saying a word about her Cabinet nominees foreign ties & the potential for them to make money off of them? 

Somehow I don't think you would be.  

I'm not a Republican... but I did respond to you. You just didn't see it because you jumped to conclusions!

[zibazinski]

It's Trumps family name being used as a slur because it sounds stupid. But it can be used just like Crooked Hillary.

[Deleted]

Jan 9, 2017 15:55:55 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Jan 9, 2017 12:28:45 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Oh dear lord no!!

You'd have to be blind not to see the possibility. GOP voters are principled. If Trump and the GOP don't deliver on immigration and border security, the repeal of ObamaCare, better trade deals, and tax reform-- the White House, the House, and the Senate will be gone so fast their heads will spin.

If GOP voters were Principled, NONE of the 17 that ran would have been nominated... including Trump.

[zibazinski]

That unfortunately went both ways.

[Deleted]

Jan 9, 2017 22:34:34 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

It's Trumps family name being used as a slur because it sounds stupid. But it can be used just like Crooked Hillary.

It's not his name. It was changed long before the family came to America and LOOOONG before Donald was ever born. The family's legal name, via their immigration paperwork is Trump.

If someone wants to call Trump "{adjective} Donald"... that's one thing... because just like "Crooked Hillary" has her actual name in it, it would have his actual name in it. But calling someone by something that's NOT their name... that's too much of a stretch for me anymore.

I don't remember if I did it to anyone's name in the past, but if I did, I apologize, and I won't be doing so in the future.

[zibazinski]

Jan 9, 2017 22:47:30 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Jan 9, 2017 22:34:34 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

It's Trumps family name being used as a slur because it sounds stupid. But it can be used just like Crooked Hillary.

It's not his name. It was changed long before the family came to America and LOOOONG before Donald was ever born. The family's legal name, via their immigration paperwork is Trump.

If someone wants to call Trump "{adjective} Donald"... that's one thing... because just like "Crooked Hillary" has her actual name in it, it would have his actual name in it. But calling someone by something that's NOT their name... that's too much of a stretch for me anymore.

I don't remember if I did it to anyone's name in the past, but if I did, I apologize, and I won't be doing so in the future.

DJ loves to call Trump President Trump. But it's kosher just like Crooked Hillary. At least I can spell Hillary.

[Deleted]

Jan 9, 2017 22:48:52 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 9, 2017 22:30:36 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Don't know... who's "President Trump"?

just some asshat in a saggy suit with a mopover, as far as i am concerned. 

So... no one in any position of power or that we should care about then...

If that's the case, why bring him up?

[kadee79]

Jan 9, 2017 22:48:52 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 9, 2017 22:30:36 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Don't know... who's "President Trump"?

just some asshat in a saggy suit with a mopover, as far as i am concerned. 

You left out the fake tan!

[djAdvocate]

Jan 9, 2017 22:59:03 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Jan 9, 2017 22:48:52 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

just some asshat in a saggy suit with a mopover, as far as i am concerned. 

So... no one in any position of power or that we should care about then...

If that's the case, why bring him up?

for the same reason that you are feigning ignorance, presumably.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 9, 2017 22:58:00 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Jan 9, 2017 22:47:30 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

It's not his name. It was changed long before the family came to America and LOOOONG before Donald was ever born. The family's legal name, via their immigration paperwork is Trump.

If someone wants to call Trump "{adjective} Donald"... that's one thing... because just like "Crooked Hillary" has her actual name in it, it would have his actual name in it. But calling someone by something that's NOT their name... that's too much of a stretch for me anymore.

I don't remember if I did it to anyone's name in the past, but if I did, I apologize, and I won't be doing so in the future.

DJ loves to call Trump President Trump. But it's kosher just like Crooked Hillary. At least I can spell Hillary.

it is more the opposite.  why should i call him what he wishes to be called when he has no inclination to reciprocate?

he hates PC.  fine.  no PC-ness for his sad, orange-tinted, tiny-handed, bankruptcy-laden serial lying tool-of-the-lunatic-right-wing ass.

[zibazinski]

Jan 9, 2017 22:30:36 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Jan 9, 2017 12:21:30 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

what happened to President Trump?

Don't know... who's "President Trump"?

You know, the guy that ran against the wrinkled dyke in the 60's pantsuits. See how childish it sounds?