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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 24, 2011 15:50:06 GMT -5
If it's to sticky no, but if there is a world wide consensus, over 28 countries are on the same or similar wave length, to expect all to be on the exact same wave length is asking a lot, but over all the same thought seems to be going through so many heads , this is wrong, it can't continue, we /I must do something and then talks start and really quickly a consensus is formed, it is doable, costly but doable, then possible , why not.
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Post by floridayankee on Mar 24, 2011 17:19:12 GMT -5
You also have big trouble brewing in Yemen, Syria, Palestine, Iran, That's exactly my point...I'd love to see all of these regimes fall, but once you take on the roll as "Liberator of the Oppressed" where does it end?
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 24, 2011 17:32:42 GMT -5
You also have big trouble brewing in Yemen, Syria, Palestine, Iran, That's exactly my point...I'd love to see all of these regimes fall, but once you take on the roll as "Liberator of the Oppressed" where does it end? Pick your battles, the "games you play", College teams do it in Basketnall, Football..when they fill out their schedule. Why not when faced with bad regimes? Just a thought. Actually in this one, all were un prepared, had two which went smoothly, naturally what will be the end result , no one knows yet. but then here, if Gaddafi was about to butally keep his power, then possible others in the region, same thing happen, also use over whelming force. Interesting thing happening , Syria, actually talking about loosening up controls, not giving up power , but listening an considering other then brute force, at least so far. Possible it might have been influenced by what is happening in Lybia, just possible?
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 24, 2011 17:36:17 GMT -5
That's exactly my point...I'd love to see all of these regimes fall, but once you take on the roll as "Liberator of the Oppressed" where does it end?
I would like to say with the UN but that might not be a good answer. Our politicians are pointing to the Arab League but for them to play a more important role might just be wishful thinking...
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Post by floridayankee on Mar 24, 2011 17:58:58 GMT -5
Why not when faced with bad regimes? Just a thought. So we get to pick and choose which genocidal maniacs are allowed to slaughter their citizens and which ones aren't?
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 24, 2011 18:43:12 GMT -5
Dezi wrote, "Pick your battles, the "games you play", College teams do it in Basketnall, Football..when they fill out their schedule. Why not when faced with bad regimes? Just a thought." After the fiasco President Obama has faced with golf, basketball games and filling out sport brackets, it is bad taste to use sports metaphors to make your case.
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 24, 2011 21:39:48 GMT -5
Dezi wrote, "Pick your battles, the "games you play", College teams do it in Basketnall, Football..when they fill out their schedule. Why not when faced with bad regimes? Just a thought." After the fiasco President Obama has faced with golf, basketball games and filling out sport brackets, it is bad taste to use sports metaphors to make your case. I think you make some good sense there
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 24, 2011 21:45:29 GMT -5
Why not when faced with bad regimes? Just a thought. So we get to pick and choose which genocidal maniacs are allowed to slaughter their citizens and which ones aren't? As crazy as it sounds, yup To go into some areas of the world, because of where it is, how to get there, the people involved, support of, danger to ourselves, their allies and who would support them, unless actually attacked by them or as in the case of Afganistan, those who were the ones who were responsible for that attack, we knew who and where, just got side lined with Iraq, yes , it depends.
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 27, 2011 13:24:19 GMT -5
A new article from Alkazeer on the advances of the insurgents against Gaddafi's forces, they seem to be pulling back, taking their heavy equipment with them, Tanks and troop carriers moving toward Tripoli , shortening their lines, but there is a interesting thought about USA , Obama role in pulling back from the lead in this conflict that , to me , answers the why and the author of the article seems to think it is a good idea. To me, his reasoning's make a lot of sense and for the few here who are really interested in this conflict and our role in it, it may make sense or not , to them too. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/03/201132615424181470.html----------------------------------------------------------- "In the same piece, this correspondent noted that it was perhaps too much to expect the US to take a leading role in promoting and then implementing a no-fly zone, if one were eventually adopted by the Security Council, given America's parlous standing in the region, where any perceived misstep would certainly be seized upon by its erstwhile Arab enablers as a sign of malevolent intent. Nonetheless, and acting perhaps against his better judgment, president Obama took the League's resolution as an indication of regional support and joined the British and French in pressing for a UN-sponsored no-fly zone." ------------------------------------------------------- "Obama has wisely insisted that the US step aside, once having made those contributions only it can make, in order to cede leadership to others, including those in the Arab world, whose interests are far more directly at stake in Libya than are those of the US." ______________________________________________ [Click on link to read whole article] { For those who find alkazeer as a possible poor source of information, I find there articles written by independent writers who are knowledgeable of the people and area they cover , to be very well written and do give much better in-site into the happenings in these areas then many of our own media , thus my posting them here . I guess you can say "buyer beware " , but knowing that and reading with both eyes open, still feel they are usually right on the mark, even with their own agenda and feelings of happenings in the area}
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 27, 2011 16:11:30 GMT -5
mmmm, guess no one is interested in our continued Lybia campaign, interesting how fleeting the interest on topics are here. Heres the latest, seems the rebels are closing in on Gaddafi's home town, heavily defended by Gaddafi's military, friendly to him and definitely not with the uprising and insurgents. Can any one tell me what those two large missile looking weapons attached to the wings of the Qatar air airplane are, a cruise missile, they are Hugh so can't just be bombs or anti tank weapons, I don't think. Ratchets if your active here today, being a serving member , can you identify them , purpose of, seem to be so big, anti ship type ordinance? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110327/ap_on_re_af/af_libya------------------------------------------------------------------ By RYAN LUCAS and HADEEL AL-SHALCHI, Associated Press Ryan Lucas And Hadeel Al-shalchi, Associated Press – 37 mins ago RAS LANOUF, Libya – "International air raids targeted Moammar Gadhafi's hometown of Sirte for the first time Sunday night as rebels made a high-speed advance toward the regime stronghold, a formidable obstacle that must be overcome for the government opponents to reach the capital Tripoli. A heavy bombardment of Tripoli also began after nightfall, with at least nine loud explosions and anti-aircraft fire heard, an Associated Press reporter in the city said. Earlier in the day, rebels regained two key oil complexes along the coastal highway that runs from the opposition-held eastern half of the country toward Sirte and beyond that, to the capital. Moving quickly westward, the advance retraced the steps of the rebels' first march toward the capital. But this time, the world's most powerful air forces have eased the way by pounding Gadhafi's forces for the past week. Sirte is strategically located about halfway between the rebel-held east and the Gadhafi-controlled west along the coastal highway. It is considered a bastion of support for Gadhafi that will be difficult for the rebels to take and the entrances to the city have reportedly been mined. If the rebels could overcome it, momentum for a march on the capital would skyrocket" ----------------------------------------------------------- [Click on link to read article]
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 27, 2011 22:35:15 GMT -5
Oh we are still interested. We just like our sources here in the states better. Live coverage fromm CNN has been good.
And we are all waiting for the interesting Address to the Nation, to explain these illegal actions.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 27, 2011 23:38:40 GMT -5
Illegal my butt... and going great, A.D.D. Dittoheads 24/7 News is bad for you...
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 28, 2011 0:28:04 GMT -5
Oh we are still interested. We just like our sources here in the states better. Live coverage fromm CNN has been good. And we are all waiting for the interesting Address to the Nation, to explain these illegal actions. CNN has been great, agree, but the articles from the different sites I go to are also interesting, and I like the other views too, as long as you know where they are coming from, their agendas and then there are opinion pieces and just news and stories main line media hasn't got. I'll leave the legal and illegals up to those who know those things , courts and stuff, but also want to hear the PONTUS, Monday evening I think
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 28, 2011 1:01:37 GMT -5
Rebels claim to take Sirte, Gaddhafi's hometown, without a fight (!)...http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/03/201132681812362552.html
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 28, 2011 2:48:48 GMT -5
Rebels claim to take Sirte, Gaddhafi's hometown, without a fight (!)...http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/03/201132681812362552.html If coalition keeps hitting his troops , mercenaries on the ground..but they are moving back into the Tripoli area and they won't be able to attack the city I believe, thus up to insurgents to try and dig them out, out gunned plus disorgnized..wonder if Gaddafi will hold out, troops stay with him,
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 28, 2011 2:55:47 GMT -5
This new article from debka shows a possible different scenario, remember this is commentary and their assessment together what they might have found out, but it is something to think about as the President addresses the nation, at the end of the article are three scenarios that might play out. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- www.debka.com/article/20807/--------------------------------------------------------- [Click on link to read article] ------------------------------------ US is sliding into long-term military involvement in Libya DEBKAfile Exclusive Analysis March 28, 2011, 12:38 AM Robert Gates "Rebel victory depends on US air strikes against Qaddafi's forcesDespite protestations to the contrary, debkafile’s military and intelligence sources find the American role in the operation against Muammar Qaddafi heading only one way: Instead of a transition “in a few days” to NATO i.e. Europe - which US President Barack Obama will no doubt reiterate when he addresses the nation Tuesday, March 29 - the United States is sliding deeper day by day into a third war in a Muslim country. In the last three days, US air strikes have beaten Qaddafi’s forces into tactical retreat from all its conquests in the rebel-held eastern province of Cyrenaica. This operation rescued the rebels from the certain defeat they faced in the middle of last week, allowed them to retake the strategic oil towns of Ajdabiya, Brega and Ras Lanuf and opened the way for them to drive forward to Qaddafi’s home town of Sirte, the key to Tripoli. In the view of debkafile’s military experts, the Libyan opposition’s gains are no more than a victory on paper, not the battlefield. Qaddafi and his commanders executed tactical retreats from those towns - not because they were beaten in battle but to avoid being ground down by superior US sea-based and air power. That power opened the door for the opposition rebels to recover the towns they lost in the last three weeks and pose as victors. For Washington, the implication is clear: Continuing rebel momentum against Qaddafi’s forces depends on United States commitment to two steps:"
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 28, 2011 7:31:22 GMT -5
President Obama is now in a no win position in Libya. He has to remove Kaddaffi. No choice in the matter. If the dictator survives, all hell will break out in the Middle East. If the Dictator is forced out, where does he go? Sits in an African villa somewhere making speeches against America and the west inflaming tensions? If he is out, what happens to Libya? There will not be a demmocracy. They do not know the definition of the word.
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 28, 2011 7:35:19 GMT -5
Tonight, I would rather here what he is going to do to help Japan, and what we can do to stop the nuclear radiation leak. I urge everyone to worry about what is really important right now. We are suffering a thousand little paper cuts from radiation dust, and do not have an end plan to stop the ungoing radiation. Believe me when I say, yes the amounts are trace in quantity, but when it continues on and on, are we going to trust our salad fields in California or our fall wheat crops in the Dakota's? Think about it.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 28, 2011 8:20:24 GMT -5
Let Obama be Obama tonight and read from his TelePrompTer to say what are our goals in Libya, what is our exit strategy and then have another opposing point of view from Michelle Bachman, or Rand Paul IMHO..
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