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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 21, 2011 14:35:29 GMT -5
No!! But too late now so let's get out of that mess ASAP But do support our CIA or Special Ops getting one of Khadahfy's bodyguards or inner circle to take him out for a few megabucks...that would be money well spent IMHO
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 21, 2011 14:40:40 GMT -5
Nope. Let the UN and Europe handle it.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 21, 2011 14:41:33 GMT -5
I think your wish may come true SF in a few days..
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Post by floridayankee on Mar 21, 2011 14:51:22 GMT -5
Nope. Let the UN and Europe handle it. I second that. All in favor?
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Post by marjar on Mar 21, 2011 14:52:29 GMT -5
No. Rather tired of being the world's policeman.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 21, 2011 14:59:29 GMT -5
No. Rather tired of being the world's policeman. What I am finding very interesting is that right after 9/11 the USMC websites were all abuzz about let's get those al Qaeda SOB's in the Afghan..and take out Osama Bin Laden and we are going to kick butt and take names later and etc and etc....but now nothing just a few news items about some Harrier Jump Jets doing their thing over Libya... I don't think our military wants to be in Libya from what I can discern...unless anyone else has an update from their military sources ??
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2011 15:06:41 GMT -5
I was not for action on our part. I am ok with action as it has been defined, a minimal action, meant to last only a short time during the initial phases of an allied action which has international committment, including that of Arab nations. If it were to creep up from that, i would have to reassess, but i do not think i would support any action beyond the limited scope being undertaken now.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Mar 21, 2011 15:07:57 GMT -5
No. Rather tired of being the world's policeman. What I am finding very interesting is that right after 9/11 the USMC websites were all abuzz about let's get those al Qaeda SOB's in the Afghan..and take out Osama Bin Laden and we are going to kick butt and take names later and etc and etc....but now nothing just a few news items about some Harrier Jump Jets doing their thing over Libya... I don't think our military wants to be in Libya from what I can discern...unless anyone else has an update from their military sources ?? No, offense but who if anybody in their right mind would want to kill? Killing should only be done out of self defense or necessity.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2011 15:08:05 GMT -5
Why do you find that interesting? Isn't it understandable that we would be more involved in attacking peole who had attacked us? And wasn't that a much broader initiative? It doesn't seem at all the same to me...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2011 15:08:24 GMT -5
Why do you find that interesting? Isn't it understandable that we would be more involved in attacking peole who had attacked us? And wasn't that a much broader initiative? It doesn't seem at all the same to me...
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Post by safeharbor37 on Mar 21, 2011 15:11:44 GMT -5
I think Obama handled the Libyan situation well. He hasn't been belligerent and has let others take credit [blame?] for the action. Secretary Clinton made it clear that our involvement was due to our "unique capability" and that when the necessity for that capability was over, we'd be gone. We can then let the UK, France, etc. absorb the wrath of the anti-western Muslims and we can see London and Paris subways blown up rather than those in NYC. Someone played the Security Council well as there were some there who didn't want to go along. I don't think that Obama's failure to "take leadership" in this situation was a mistake. Rather, I think it was an effective way to get the job done while minimizing US involvement. There are different kinds of leadership.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 21, 2011 15:15:56 GMT -5
In response to # 8 & # 9....why keep repeating youself over and over again?? And don't know about attacking peole...who is that?? is that an Italian desert peoles?? But seriously my point is this is something I just don't think our Military wanted any part of...if you read what Sec Def Bob Gates said just before the UN Resolution 1973 was passed by the Security Council... And I used to do this sort of thing for a living until I almost starved to death...pay was lousy..
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 21, 2011 15:16:54 GMT -5
I don't think that Obama's failure to "take leadership" in this situation was a mistake. Rather, I think it was an effective way to get the job done while minimizing US involvement. There are different kinds of leadership.
OK Safe but not sure the country likes this kind of leadership..?? Or maybe it will take us some time to get used to after he is voted out of office in 2012..??
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2011 15:18:17 GMT -5
It's bullshit, is what it is. We allow other peoples to be killed, but for some reason Libya is special? Nope. I say, if anything, pay someone to kill the psycho, and be done with it. Of course, then we are creating another Bin Laden, yes/no? I can't at this point condone putting any more Americans at risk. JMO, and I don't know much, but I do know Libya is no more important than anywhere else people are being killed-- and that is the reason being used for the new war-- to protect the people. I also have ZERO faith that the next guy in line will be any better than this psycho. Trading one lunatic for another, most likely, and lots of people will die in the future because of it. So far that seems to be what we do- arm psychos that then come kill us when we turn on them. Right/Wrong? Anyone have that answer?
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Post by ugonow on Mar 21, 2011 15:28:44 GMT -5
I find it interesting that many of the same arguments used for not going into Iraq are being used on this. I am with those that feel our days of being in charge of fixing the worlds ills are over.,The operative expensive word being in charge of....I also think there will be times we should play a supporting role. I disagree with McCain,Gingrich,and the others that screamed for jumping in with both feet from the start. We can't be expected to play that role all the time.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 21, 2011 15:30:37 GMT -5
Right/Wrong? Anyone have that answer?
Let me try to give it a shot...
The allies had to do something when they saw that Khadahfy was about to slaughter thousands of his own people in Benghazi ...so they had two choices:
1. Stand by and watch another genocide
2. Push a resolution in the UN Security Council headed by Sarkozy of France to pound the Khadafy forces and hope for a peaceful resolution after they battered his forces..
But the UN took a big gamble....Khadahfy may stil be around even after getting pounded by U.S. & Allied warplanes, drones and missiles....and the rebels may not be all that enamored with us if they takeover Libya and we have no idea who their leaders are?? They could be some tribal warlords who might make Khadahfy look like a "Choir Boy"..
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Post by safeharbor37 on Mar 21, 2011 15:33:28 GMT -5
Krickett, You talking about Libya or the US?
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Post by safeharbor37 on Mar 21, 2011 15:41:54 GMT -5
I'm reminded of the run up to WWII. We sat on our hands while the NAZI were brutalizing their own people, invading their neighbors and the Japanese were skewering babies in China until we tantalized Japan to attack us at Pearl Harbor. We didn't want to "get involved" in Europe [or Asia, etc.]. It didn't work out so well. I kinda liked that feeling of security that two big oceans used to give us, but the world is smaller today and we gave up any pretense of "neutrality" by participating in WW's I & II. [Not to mention the list of military adventures too long to list since.] Is it right to get involved in the affairs of others? Is it wrong to sit by and let people get abused and slaughtered when we could stop it? I don't think there is a simple answer.
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Post by dancinmama on Mar 21, 2011 15:43:15 GMT -5
Krickett, You talking about Libya or the US?
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 21, 2011 15:47:08 GMT -5
I also have ZERO faith that the next guy in line will be any better than this psycho.I hope she is not talking about Obama ..I think the next guy in line might just be a lady??
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 21, 2011 15:50:45 GMT -5
Is it right to get involved in the affairs of others? Is it wrong to sit by and let people get abused and slaughtered when we could stop it? I don't think there is a simple answer.
Khadafy has human shields around his radar and missile sites..and we just learned the intensity of the attacks has startled the 22 memers of the Arab League who want us out of there ASAP.. we are beginning to see on the news scores of civilian casualities which is always a bad thing during these little wars.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2011 15:51:56 GMT -5
What lady do you think will be next PI... seriously speaking please? ... Thanks.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 21, 2011 15:57:22 GMT -5
I don't know Safeharbor..and don't have a clue except to say that the Arab League is going bonkers because of the civilian deaths and the congress is demanding clarity from Obama on the ultimate goals and when do the deadly strikes by the Allies stop.....
But this is really Sarkozy's war... So I think so the ball is in his court I would imagine..
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 21, 2011 16:02:12 GMT -5
What lady do you think will be next PI... seriously speaking please? ... Thanks.
I am still waiting to find out if she wants the job and you will be the first to know, I promise you Ma'am..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2011 16:06:00 GMT -5
Did Qatar recall their forces? And the UAE? ....
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Post by reasonfreedom on Mar 21, 2011 16:09:41 GMT -5
Right/Wrong? Anyone have that answer? Let me try to give it a shot... The allies had to do something when they saw that Khadahfy was about to slaughter thousands of his own people in Benghazi ...so they had two choices: 1. Stand by and watch another genocide 2. Push a resolution in the UN Security Council headed by Sarkozy of France to pound the Khadafy forces and hope for a peaceful resolution after they battered his forces.. But the UN took a big gamble....Khadahfy may stil be around even after getting pounded by U.S. & Allied warplanes, drones and missiles....and the rebels may not be all that enamored with us if they takeover Libya and we have no idea who their leaders are?? They could be some tribal warlords who might make Khadahfy look like a "Choir Boy".. 3. The rebels could have given up and not been slaughtered?
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Post by reasonfreedom on Mar 21, 2011 16:12:06 GMT -5
Right/Wrong? Anyone have that answer? I guess that really depends on your beliefs, as far a our own human laws it was Wrong.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 21, 2011 16:12:26 GMT -5
3. The rebels could have given up and not been slaughtered
They would have been all lined up in front of a firing squad and shot by Khadahfy's mercenaries for fun..
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Post by wyouser on Mar 21, 2011 16:12:44 GMT -5
Does anyone know???...what is the Guiness record for the most separate foreign wars a country has been involved in at the same time? Are we after a new record???
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