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Post by Miss Tequila on Dec 7, 2016 9:10:17 GMT -5
I got a picture to post!!! Skipping all the other stuff here, it is a very interesting piece by Kaiser! I did know about the coverage gap. It mostly effects single adults from what I remember. The amount of income you can make and qualify for medicaid is crazy low, like $8000 a year. But the amount you need to make to buy from the exchange is say $16000. So the only way the exchange helps is if they can pay full price which would be more than they make. I agree that those two and a half million people weren't insured before only to lose it. But it still doesn't make it right that they have no coverage and realistically no hope of getting it. The problem IMO is the economy is set up for people to have regular full time jobs that have benefits. I know it would be easier to have all these people be lazy bums who don't want to work but that just isn't the reality IMO. They want that normal full time job with benefits but for huge swaths of the county all they can get are PT jobs with no benefits and not enough income to purchase the health insurance they aren't getting at their job. Now someone find a solution to that problem and I will get them a cookie. obamacarefacts.com/questions/what-is-the-minimum-income-for-obamacare/
You must project to claim at least 100% of the Federal Poverty Level in household income to qualify for tax credits through ObamaCare. This was true in all states. In 2015 this is $11,770, and it raises by about $100 a year.
I will admit that I had no idea that there was a minimum income you had to make to get on Obamacare...but less than $12k doesn't seem like that high of a hurdle to hit.
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Post by 973beachbum on Dec 7, 2016 9:28:28 GMT -5
Richard and Donub you are both very smart and have good insights to things that I don't. But this fighting just gets in the way of any real discussions. If everyone could just skip all the constant bickering back and forth IMO this is exactly the type of discussion this board was made to have. But we all need to take a step back and just debate the subject and what was posted, 973Beachbum Politics Moderator I had no idea you were a moderator...that's a pleasant surprise for me
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Post by 973beachbum on Dec 7, 2016 9:40:00 GMT -5
I got a picture to post!!! Skipping all the other stuff here, it is a very interesting piece by Kaiser! I did know about the coverage gap. It mostly effects single adults from what I remember. The amount of income you can make and qualify for medicaid is crazy low, like $8000 a year. But the amount you need to make to buy from the exchange is say $16000. So the only way the exchange helps is if they can pay full price which would be more than they make. I agree that those two and a half million people weren't insured before only to lose it. But it still doesn't make it right that they have no coverage and realistically no hope of getting it. The problem IMO is the economy is set up for people to have regular full time jobs that have benefits. I know it would be easier to have all these people be lazy bums who don't want to work but that just isn't the reality IMO. They want that normal full time job with benefits but for huge swaths of the county all they can get are PT jobs with no benefits and not enough income to purchase the health insurance they aren't getting at their job. Now someone find a solution to that problem and I will get them a cookie. obamacarefacts.com/questions/what-is-the-minimum-income-for-obamacare/
You must project to claim at least 100% of the Federal Poverty Level in household income to qualify for tax credits through ObamaCare. This was true in all states. In 2015 this is $11,770, and it raises by about $100 a year.
I will admit that I had no idea that there was a minimum income you had to make to get on Obamacare...but less than $12k doesn't seem like that high of a hurdle to hit.
While I agree that 100% of the fed poverty level isn't a large amount of money 2.6 million people still don't hit that hurdle. And apparently a quarter of them live in Texas.
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Post by b2r on Dec 7, 2016 9:40:53 GMT -5
Why Mexico? “So what’s good about Mexico? We have a very talented workforce in Mexico,” Hayes told CNBC’s Jim Cramer. “Wages are obviously significantly lower. About 80% lower, on average. But absenteeism runs about 1%. Turnover runs about 2%. Very, very dedicated workforce.” Verses America? "Much higher, much higher." 10:15ish
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Post by dezailoooooo on Dec 7, 2016 10:38:33 GMT -5
Why Mexico? “So what’s good about Mexico? We have a very talented workforce in Mexico,” Hayes told CNBC’s Jim Cramer. “Wages are obviously significantly lower. About 80% lower, on average. But absenteeism runs about 1%. Turnover runs about 2%. Very, very dedicated workforce.” Verses America? "Much higher, much higher." 10:15ish He does make a point and I am guessing that the workers are not working in a sweat shop conditions..Most likely new clean plant..[wonder if AC too]...possible a cafeteria for the workers... Thing is, I am guessing that Carrier is planning/wanting to have the States as a large market for their home AC products..not sure how many Mexican homes homes are air conditioned...living in South Florida , my AC is on constantly...never open the windows..guess I am bad but thats the way it is..electricity total a bit under $100 per month...AC is newish , very cost effective in running it..I am on my third one now..first lasted years..now seems it lasts about 10 years..give or take a bit..am told thats about life of now..new units my size condo $2500.00 You can't force a company to stay in the States...they don't have a moral right to do so just to keep American workers working..and in Carriers situation, having the parent company, United Technology into many defense contracts,,see Pratt and Whitnes as a example..even there just som mmuch pressure can be put on them and then no more.. yet not everyone can have hi tech skills out the ying yang...so many are just good American citizens, workers..average folks..who are looking for a safe place for themselves and family to live, educate their kids...so what does one do to protect American workers or should politicians even get into this at all? There are tariffs one can place on goods coming into the States..possible higher ones if the goods are from companys that have moved off shore from here ..but then how do u react at say a country that is competing with American companies..never had a operation here...for example..say "Samsung"..very modern up date Korean company , never had a manufacturing plant here..makes very competitive home AC units...do u smack a high tariff on their products to allow say a Carrier made in USA unit being able to compete..Understand, tariffs, extra charges can be done against us too and is done and has been done in the past. Some real thought has to go into this..from both sides of the political aisle and then the Administration side too..not just knee jerk reaction as I believe we saw here by the Donald...There are things a POTUS can do..[seems a POTUS can do whatever it wants to do as long as legal, same as average citizen]..then there are things a POTUS SHOULD do...considering ramifications of other problems that might arise. In my opinion , we are going to be faced for at least the next four years with a POTUS and thus a administration that will be doing less thinking..doing more knee jerk reactions to things..such as this little forey in Indiana with the fall out that accompanied it.. Some here, especially the supporters of the Donald will be fine with the "knee jerk" way of handling things...for me, I am more into more thought, discussion, listening to alternative ideas..getting well thought out solutions to the nations problems..don't believe we will be seeing those type of solutions and ideas...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 12:55:45 GMT -5
What in God's name is Trump thinking? If he wants to impose heavy tariffs on goods made overseas, does he have any idea how much things will COST?? No more cheap Chinese crap at Walmart and Target, with their low, low prices. If you want Made In America, prepare to pay through the nose. What does he care? He's got money in his pocket. Heavy tariffs can be used to offset tax cuts. This reduces the trade deficit. Keeping the monetary value "in country". The true cost will be born by the countries that are now getting a free ride through "Not so free for the US, trade agreements." It's no small wonder that the Trumps of the world end up with all the money, while others merely exist on handouts.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 7, 2016 13:35:17 GMT -5
I didn't know the president unilaterally made regulatory law changes that were instantly enacted. That will be handy when talking with manufacturing plants. Only our current President pushed the envelope on regulatory law changes. He believed he could.
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 7, 2016 14:37:41 GMT -5
Trump "saved" many Carrier jobs that weren't at risk in the first place. What a guy!
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 7, 2016 14:38:59 GMT -5
Kind of like saying I nursed people back to health, who weren't sick to begin with.
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Post by thyme4change on Dec 8, 2016 16:06:43 GMT -5
What in God's name is Trump thinking? If he wants to impose heavy tariffs on goods made overseas, does he have any idea how much things will COST?? No more cheap Chinese crap at Walmart and Target, with their low, low prices. If you want Made In America, prepare to pay through the nose. What does he care? He's got money in his pocket. Heavy tariffs can be used to offset tax cuts. This reduces the trade deficit. Keeping the monetary value "in country". The true cost will be born by the countries that are now getting a free ride through "Not so free for the US, trade agreements." It's no small wonder that the Trumps of the world end up with all the money, while others merely exist on handouts. I don't know much about tariffs - except the steel tariffs pissed off Japan so much, they bombed Pearl Harbor, and the War of 1812 was caused by a bunch of punitive trade decisions against Britain and France. What type of tariffs have we used effectively in the modern age? I need a little foundation before I can make an opinion about Trump's stated plans.
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Post by 973beachbum on Dec 9, 2016 7:50:28 GMT -5
The gist of it is the companies from these companies are being subsidized by their countries so that they are able to produce the steel at such low prices. The suit said it is a concerted effort to fix the price for the purpose of ruining the American Steel industry long term.
If it is allowed to continue it would work long term. After a while of Chinese steel being half what ours cost, who in their right mind would spend twice as much if they didn't have to? Then once the US companies shut down they can jack the prices back up.
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 10, 2016 2:54:30 GMT -5
What in God's name is Trump thinking? If he wants to impose heavy tariffs on goods made overseas, does he have any idea how much things will COST?? No more cheap Chinese crap at Walmart and Target, with their low, low prices. If you want Made In America, prepare to pay through the nose. What does he care? He's got money in his pocket. Actually, I'm pretty sure he DOESN'T know how much things cost. Well, maybe he knows how much yuuuge buildings cost. I'll bet he doesn't know the price of a loaf of bread, a pound of grapes or kids' shoes.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 10, 2016 11:00:46 GMT -5
What in God's name is Trump thinking? If he wants to impose heavy tariffs on goods made overseas, does he have any idea how much things will COST?? No more cheap Chinese crap at Walmart and Target, with their low, low prices. If you want Made In America, prepare to pay through the nose. What does he care? He's got money in his pocket. Actually, I'm pretty sure he DOESN'T know how much things cost. Well, maybe he knows how much yuuuge buildings cost. I'll bet he doesn't know the price of a loaf of bread, a pound of grapes or kids' shoes. Hillary had no clue about these prices until two weeks ago when she got bored and went grocery shopping
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