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Post by Miss Tequila on Dec 3, 2016 20:23:07 GMT -5
So tax incentives to retain jobs in this country are a negative ? How does that compare to tax money used for unemployment checks ? No need to be afraid to answer this. The figures I'm reading are tax breaks totaling $7million. UE benefits in Indiana are a max of $390/week for a max of 26 weeks. So a total cost of UE for one worker would be a maximum of $2535. Times 1000 would be $25,535 vs $7 million. He gets the PR. The tax payers get the bill. Making America Great Again! Math isn't your strong suit, is it?
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 3, 2016 20:35:38 GMT -5
What in God's name is Trump thinking? If he wants to impose heavy tariffs on goods made overseas, does he have any idea how much things will COST?? No more cheap Chinese crap at Walmart and Target, with their low, low prices. If you want Made In America, prepare to pay through the nose. What does he care? He's got money in his pocket.
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Post by steff on Dec 3, 2016 20:58:14 GMT -5
Let's not forget, he only saved 800 jobs. 1,300 are still leaving. He didn't even save half of them. So how great is this deal again? It could be said that the tax payers lost more than anyone. They didn't get all the jobs promised & they get to pay for that broken promise. And what about the fact that it made him money, which is crony capitalism. Is a corrupt govt okay when it's the guy you voted for?
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 3, 2016 21:02:25 GMT -5
Everything he does makes him money, including the Secret Service that has to rent several floors in his building, and will have to stay there because the FLOTUS is refusing to live in the White House. Guess who they have to pay rent to?
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Post by steff on Dec 3, 2016 21:29:19 GMT -5
and yet it's a waste of tax payers money to feed needy children, take care of the elderly, & give them medical care. Wasn't it most Republicans that were having a shit fit over wasted tax money? Where are those people now & why are they so silent?
Is corruption & waste of tax payers money okay when it's your candidate in power?
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Dec 3, 2016 21:33:07 GMT -5
and yet wit's a waste of tax payers money to feed needy children, take care of the elderly, & give them medical care. Wasn't it most Republicans that were having a shit fit over wasted tax money? Where are those people now & why are they so silent? Is corruption & waste of tax payers money okay when it's your candidate in power? . feed needy children, take care of the elderly, & give them medical careWell, that's communusm = bad.. corruption & waste of tax payers money okay when it's your candidate in power? Based on the responses on this thread, apparently
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2016 21:51:47 GMT -5
SEEN ON FACEBOOK: “What we’ve learned in 2016 is that the left loves poor people when they’re huddled in food banks, hungry, exhausted, desperately looking for dinner, but hates them when they cockily walk into polling stations and say ‘Fuck your status quo.'”
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Post by 973beachbum on Dec 4, 2016 9:10:25 GMT -5
We already have these laws on the books. At the moment they just only apply to certain materials. It wouldn't be that hard to change the law to include everything if they had the where with all. Doing something to hurt the people who bought and paid for them is a totally different problem.
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Post by emma1420 on Dec 4, 2016 13:20:16 GMT -5
SEEN ON FACEBOOK: “What we’ve learned in 2016 is that the left loves poor people when they’re huddled in food banks, hungry, exhausted, desperately looking for dinner, but hates them when they cockily walk into polling stations and say ‘Fuck your status quo.'” I don't hate those people, and with Trump I even understand why he might appeal to someone who is struggling economically. Trump promised the world to those people. But, I also won't feel sorry for people who voted for him, when and if Medicare and Medicaid are destroyed. My biological mother voted for Trump. She's on disability and Medicare. She voted for him because she feels she's paying too much for healthcare with her co-pays, and she paid into the system for years and is "owed" more. So I won't be feeling sorry for her when her co-pays go up, the cost of goods go up, etc. Because Trump and the GOP for all their flaws were clear about what they would do.
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Post by dondub on Dec 4, 2016 14:02:01 GMT -5
The Repos have proved their 'love' for America's poor especially in those states where the governors refused expanded Medicaid. This has enabled these poor folks to continue to have no health insurance thus prompting them to get off their dead butts and find a job to help make America great again.
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Post by dezailoooooo on Dec 4, 2016 14:36:06 GMT -5
SEEN ON FACEBOOK: “What we’ve learned in 2016 is that the left loves poor people when they’re huddled in food banks, hungry, exhausted, desperately looking for dinner, but hates them when they cockily walk into polling stations and say ‘Fuck your status quo.'” I don't hate those people, and with Trump I even understand why he might appeal to someone who is struggling economically. Trump promised the world to those people. But, I also won't feel sorry for people who voted for him, when and if Medicare and Medicaid are destroyed. My biological mother voted for Trump. She's on disability and Medicare. She voted for him because she feels she's paying too much for healthcare with her co-pays, and she paid into the system for years and is "owed" more. So I won't be feeling sorry for her when her co-pays go up, the cost of goods go up, etc. Because Trump and the GOP for all their flaws were clear about what they would do. also, to get medical costs down, have to cut benefits...medical problems that are covered now...
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 4, 2016 16:49:14 GMT -5
Sarah Palin lambasted President-elect Donald Trump for the deal reached with Carrier and United Technologies, calling him out for “crony capitalism”. Ms Palin, the former governor of Alaska and 2008 Republican vice presidential candidate, has been an outspoken supporter of Mr Trump. In fact, she is being considered for the Veterans Affairs spot in his Cabinet. In an editorial published on the Young Conservatives website, Ms Palin said the deal – which would keep Carrier from sending 800 of about 2,000 Carrier jobs to Mexico – was “political intrusion using a stick or a carrot to bribe or force one individual business to do what politicians insist”. www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/sarah-palin-blasts-donald-trumps-deal-with-carrier-as-crony-capitalism/ar-AAl4JpE?li=AAadgLE&ocid=spartandhpSO.....Now you are a fan of Sarah Palin. How times have changed here.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Dec 4, 2016 16:53:51 GMT -5
SEEN ON FACEBOOK: “What we’ve learned in 2016 is that the left loves poor people when they’re huddled in food banks, hungry, exhausted, desperately looking for dinner, but hates them when they cockily walk into polling stations and say ‘Fuck your status quo.'” I don't hate those people, and with Trump I even understand why he might appeal to someone who is struggling economically. Trump promised the world to those people. But, I also won't feel sorry for people who voted for him, when and if Medicare and Medicaid are destroyed. My biological mother voted for Trump. She's on disability and Medicare. She voted for him because she feels she's paying too much for healthcare with her co-pays, and she paid into the system for years and is "owed" more. So I won't be feeling sorry for her when her co-pays go up, the cost of goods go up, etc. Because Trump and the GOP for all their flaws were clear about what they would do. I don't hate them either. But when they suffer buyer's remorse, I don't feel sorry for them either. They are getting exactly what they voted for. Trump voter lost home, blames incoming Treasury secretaryapnews.com/0f1305c8742547df9bcf978b2c15997c/Trump-voter-lost-her-home-to-new-Treasury-secretary?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP_Politics
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 4, 2016 17:07:11 GMT -5
Sarah Palin lambasted President-elect Donald Trump for the deal reached with Carrier and United Technologies, calling him out for “crony capitalism”. Ms Palin, the former governor of Alaska and 2008 Republican vice presidential candidate, has been an outspoken supporter of Mr Trump. In fact, she is being considered for the Veterans Affairs spot in his Cabinet. In an editorial published on the Young Conservatives website, Ms Palin said the deal – which would keep Carrier from sending 800 of about 2,000 Carrier jobs to Mexico – was “political intrusion using a stick or a carrot to bribe or force one individual business to do what politicians insist”. www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/sarah-palin-blasts-donald-trumps-deal-with-carrier-as-crony-capitalism/ar-AAl4JpE?li=AAadgLE&ocid=spartandhpSO.....Now you are a fan of Sarah Palin. How times have changed here. Where did I say I'm a fan of Sarah Palin? I'll never be a fan of Sarah Palin. But like they say....even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 20:43:52 GMT -5
The Repos have proved their 'love' for America's poor especially in those states where the governors refused expanded Medicaid. This has enabled these poor folks to continue to have no health insurance thus prompting them to get off their dead butts and find a job to help make America great again. This has got to be one of the biggest bald-faced lies on the planet. And you apparently have bought into it. When Obamacare implodes (or is repealed), the STATES will, individually, on their own, be responsible for the 90% that Obamacare promised to cover of that expanded "33%". The states that DIDN'T expand were the smart ones. (and I'm saying this as someone that would have been in the expansion!). The states that expanded will be stuck with the expansion, because once you give people free stuff it's impossible to take it back without civil unrest.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 20:53:00 GMT -5
I don't hate those people, and with Trump I even understand why he might appeal to someone who is struggling economically. Trump promised the world to those people. But, I also won't feel sorry for people who voted for him, when and if Medicare and Medicaid are destroyed. My biological mother voted for Trump. She's on disability and Medicare. She voted for him because she feels she's paying too much for healthcare with her co-pays, and she paid into the system for years and is "owed" more. So I won't be feeling sorry for her when her co-pays go up, the cost of goods go up, etc. Because Trump and the GOP for all their flaws were clear about what they would do. I don't hate them either. But when they suffer buyer's remorse, I don't feel sorry for them either. They are getting exactly what they voted for. Trump voter lost home, blames incoming Treasury secretaryapnews.com/0f1305c8742547df9bcf978b2c15997c/Trump-voter-lost-her-home-to-new-Treasury-secretary?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP_PoliticsThat title is just a wee bit misleading. She blames (wrongly, in my opinion) the man who will become incoming Treasury Secretary for something he rightfully did as part of his previous job.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Dec 4, 2016 23:50:55 GMT -5
That title is just a wee bit misleading. She blames (wrongly, in my opinion) the man who will become incoming Treasury Secretary for something he rightfully did as part of his previous job. Nothing wrong about the title considering the methods employed... "Over five years, she tried unsuccessfully to adjust her loan with OneWest through the Treasury Department's Home Affordable Modification Program. But she said that One West Bank lost paperwork, provided conflicting statements about ownership of the loan and fees and submitted charges that were unverified and caused her loan balance to balloon. By the time she lost her home in foreclosure in April 2015, the payoff balance totaled $517,662."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 0:25:21 GMT -5
That title is just a wee bit misleading. She blames (wrongly, in my opinion) the man who will become incoming Treasury Secretary for something he rightfully did as part of his previous job. Nothing wrong about the title considering the methods employed... "Over five years, she tried unsuccessfully to adjust her loan with OneWest through the Treasury Department's Home Affordable Modification Program. But she said that One West Bank lost paperwork, provided conflicting statements about ownership of the loan and fees and submitted charges that were unverified and caused her loan balance to balloon. By the time she lost her home in foreclosure in April 2015, the payoff balance totaled $517,662." Unless he was the single and sole person she was in contact with, and who did everything regarding the load itself on behalf of the bank, she can't blame him. Was he the individual person that called in her loans? Was he the individual person that lost the paperwork? Was he all of the individuals (note the PLURAL of that term) that that provided conflicting statements? Was he the individual that submitted charges? And lastly (but wholly more important in my book) who took out the loan in the first place? No one puts a gun to anyone's head and FORCES them to take out loans in the US. Taking out a loan is a voluntary action on the part of the borrower.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Dec 5, 2016 0:39:18 GMT -5
Nothing wrong about the title considering the methods employed... "Over five years, she tried unsuccessfully to adjust her loan with OneWest through the Treasury Department's Home Affordable Modification Program. But she said that One West Bank lost paperwork, provided conflicting statements about ownership of the loan and fees and submitted charges that were unverified and caused her loan balance to balloon. By the time she lost her home in foreclosure in April 2015, the payoff balance totaled $517,662." Unless he was the single and sole person she was in contact with, and who did everything regarding the load itself on behalf of the bank, she can't blame him. Was he the individual person that called in her loans? Was he the individual person that lost the paperwork? Was he all of the individuals (note the PLURAL of that term) that that provided conflicting statements? Was he the individual that submitted charges? And lastly (but wholly more important in my book) who took out the loan in the first place? No one puts a gun to anyone's head and FORCES them to take out loans in the US. Taking out a loan is a voluntary action on the part of the borrower. The head of a company sets the tone and the ethics of that company. Ultimately, tne head of a companybears responsibility for the actions of employees under him or her.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 2:02:15 GMT -5
Unless he was the single and sole person she was in contact with, and who did everything regarding the load itself on behalf of the bank, she can't blame him. Was he the individual person that called in her loans? Was he the individual person that lost the paperwork? Was he all of the individuals (note the PLURAL of that term) that that provided conflicting statements? Was he the individual that submitted charges? And lastly (but wholly more important in my book) who took out the loan in the first place? No one puts a gun to anyone's head and FORCES them to take out loans in the US. Taking out a loan is a voluntary action on the part of the borrower. The head of a company sets the tone and the ethics of that company. Ultimately, the head of a company bears responsibility for the actions of employees under him or her. To the bolded: Agreed... unless the underlings are acting contrary to company policy. To the unbolded: Agreed as well... but responsibility and blame are two entirely different things. The company owner has the responsibility to "make things right, within the confines of company policy and the law, if possible". That's where the owner's responsibility ends. And that still leaves the question of "who took out the loan in the first place?" Was it more than she could handle? There are too many unanswered questions to just take her word for it that it's his fault. There are also too many false allegations against people (in general) to take her at her word. It sucks, but, this isn't the planet where "The Invention of Lying" was set in.
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Post by dondub on Dec 5, 2016 12:19:43 GMT -5
This has got to be one of the biggest bald-faced lies on the planet. And you apparently have bought into it
There is no lie to the fact that in those states that Repo governors denied expanded Medicaid that those states poorest citizens suffered. We have all seen the Harvard peer reviewed study that showed 47,000 Americans died every year due to lack of access to healthcare because they had no insurance. Not expanding Medicaid was simply a death sentence for some of the poorest folks in America. If someone wants to be more concerned about the $$$'s than the lives, I can't stop them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 22:37:30 GMT -5
This has got to be one of the biggest bald-faced lies on the planet. And you apparently have bought into it
There is no lie to the fact that in those states that Repo governors denied expanded Medicaid that those states poorest citizens suffered. We have all seen the Harvard peer reviewed study that showed 47,000 Americans died every year due to lack of access to healthcare because they had no insurance. Not expanding Medicaid was simply a death sentence for some of the poorest folks in America. If someone wants to be more concerned about the $$$'s than the lives, I can't stop them. Since I don't want anyone to have to hunt for it (I'm nice like that), here's the WHOLE THING, in context: The Repos have proved their 'love' for America's poor especially in those states where the governors refused expanded Medicaid. This has enabled these poor folks to continue to have no health insurance thus prompting them to get off their dead butts and find a job to help make America great again. This has got to be one of the biggest bald-faced lies on the planet. And you apparently have bought into it. When Obamacare implodes (or is repealed), the STATES will, individually, on their own, be responsible for the 90% that Obamacare promised to cover of that expanded "33%". The states that DIDN'T expand were the smart ones. (and I'm saying this as someone that would have been in the expansion!). The states that expanded will be stuck with the expansion, because once you give people free stuff it's impossible to take it back without civil unrest. Your point in this most recent post of yours (not my quote of me responding to you... but your actual post in the first quote box in this reply) is completely irrelevant to the point I was talking about. But you do that a lot: You move into irrelevancies when your points are unsustainable. However, let's address that irrelevancy. It didn't INCREASE any suffering to NOT increase medicaid. People that weren't getting it before, continued to not get it. What it did and will continue to do is save those states money that can be used in other areas to also help it's citizens, and when the bubble pops (as anyone with a calculator and the knowledge of how they work can prove to themselves, knows) and those states that did expand will be "on the hook" for that increase at 100% instead of the promised 10%. Where do you thing that extra 90% is going to come from? That's right... it'll come from other programs that have to be either reduced or eliminated entirely. Ohhh... and something that you forgot to mention... those states that didn't expand? People in them are eligible for 100% subsidy coverage in the exchanges. So really... how did the states NOT expanding HURT anyone again? Ohhhh... that's right! It didn't. Nice try, and thanks for playing!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 23:28:56 GMT -5
No need to get personal Richard just because you support continued suffering of the poorest Americans.
I don't support that. And you can't quote me EVER saying that I do. Your moronic belief in something doesn't make it truth. The rest of your post is worthless so I'm not going to bother giving it the courtesy of a reply.
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Post by dondub on Dec 6, 2016 12:09:35 GMT -5
The rest of my post is a link to a study done by the Kaiser foundation and a paragraph from that study. I'm sorry that it disagrees with your assertion that everyone is eligible for 100% subsidy coverage in the exchanges. Is everything that disagrees with you "worthless"?
And please skip the "moronic belief" next time just because my opinion differs from yours, especially when I back it up with a link.
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Post by 973beachbum on Dec 6, 2016 14:52:00 GMT -5
I got a picture to post!!! Skipping all the other stuff here, it is a very interesting piece by Kaiser! I did know about the coverage gap. It mostly effects single adults from what I remember. The amount of income you can make and qualify for medicaid is crazy low, like $8000 a year. But the amount you need to make to buy from the exchange is say $16000. So the only way the exchange helps is if they can pay full price which would be more than they make. I agree that those two and a half million people weren't insured before only to lose it. But it still doesn't make it right that they have no coverage and realistically no hope of getting it. The problem IMO is the economy is set up for people to have regular full time jobs that have benefits. I know it would be easier to have all these people be lazy bums who don't want to work but that just isn't the reality IMO. They want that normal full time job with benefits but for huge swaths of the county all they can get are PT jobs with no benefits and not enough income to purchase the health insurance they aren't getting at their job. Now someone find a solution to that problem and I will get them a cookie.
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Post by 973beachbum on Dec 6, 2016 14:56:54 GMT -5
Richard and Donub you are both very smart and have good insights to things that I don't. But this fighting just gets in the way of any real discussions.
If everyone could just skip all the constant bickering back and forth IMO this is exactly the type of discussion this board was made to have.
But we all need to take a step back and just debate the subject and what was posted,
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 23:18:32 GMT -5
Richard and Donub you are both very smart and have good insights to things that I don't. But this fighting just gets in the way of any real discussions. If everyone could just skip all the constant bickering back and forth IMO this is exactly the type of discussion this board was made to have. But we all need to take a step back and just debate the subject and what was posted, 973Beachbum Politics Moderator My apologies for my post just before this one... I hadn't seen this yet. I'll try and behave... as long as I don't get accused of BS like ignorant comments stating that I " support continued suffering of the poorest Americans".
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Post by Miss Tequila on Dec 7, 2016 9:06:31 GMT -5
Richard and Donub you are both very smart and have good insights to things that I don't. But this fighting just gets in the way of any real discussions. If everyone could just skip all the constant bickering back and forth IMO this is exactly the type of discussion this board was made to have. But we all need to take a step back and just debate the subject and what was posted, 973Beachbum Politics Moderator I had no idea you were a moderator...that's a pleasant surprise for me
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