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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 21, 2016 12:27:10 GMT -5
So you're saying that all I'd have to do to prove to you there's no such thing as "rape culture" is post a story about the Rolling Stone UVA rape hoax? And if you questioned the logic of that, and I rebutted "You can keep repeating the same lie. Or you can deflect.", you'd take me seriously? I've apparently been putting far more work into these debates than I need to. I'd take you seriously if you'd provide a link to your source regarding "paid" protestors instead of just repeating the assertion. The only thing I've asserted about paid protestors is that concluding they don't exist because hoaxes do (or in this case, a hoax does) is illogical. You're also missing the point that I don't know what "paid protestors" even means for the purposes of this debate. If it includes salaried members of groups like moveon.org, part of their stated job duties is recruiting volunteers and bussing them to demonstrations, etc. I don't know if the protestors are compensated monetarily. Probably not. They're fed, according to moveon.org's own literature. Obviously the drivers and salaried organizers are paid. Do any of these count? If you don't have any clue what the context of the debate is, I'm sure Optimist is more than capable of answering my questions.
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Post by Opti on Nov 22, 2016 5:43:25 GMT -5
By whom? Because on this thread and others I only see someone saying an anarchist group took advantage of the situation. Reply #247 explains how this paid protestor view is based on a lie. It wasn't on this thread. I think it was on one of Paul's threads, maybe. I think mmhmm had a link that described the paid protestors. I really don't have a dog in this fight because I think that protesting a done deal is like complaining about a meal you made for yourself a week later. These protestors, paid or not, should really hit their local college (or redo eighth grade) and learn how our electoral college system works. It's kind of been around for a long time. They aren't protesting the EC, at least not the way you probably think. They are protesting what they believe Donald will do. Not sure why that is crazy for them since they did not vote for him, but protesting was not considered crazy by Donald to protest Hillary if she won. Some folks want to change the EC going forward, but that is not why they are out there.
I've yet to see a legit link proving paid protesters. The closest I've found so far is allegedly $50 per actor for I think Trump's announcement he was running - probably in NYC at Trump Tower.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 12:36:47 GMT -5
It wasn't on this thread. I think it was on one of Paul's threads, maybe. I think mmhmm had a link that described the paid protestors. I really don't have a dog in this fight because I think that protesting a done deal is like complaining about a meal you made for yourself a week later. These protestors, paid or not, should really hit their local college (or redo eighth grade) and learn how our electoral college system works. It's kind of been around for a long time. They aren't protesting the EC, at least not the way you probably think. They are protesting what they believe Donald will do. Not sure why that is crazy for them since they did not vote for him, but protesting was not considered crazy by Donald to protest Hillary if she won. Some folks want to change the EC going forward, but that is not why they are out there.
I've yet to see a legit link proving paid protesters. The closest I've found so far is allegedly $50 per actor for I think Trump's announcement he was running - probably in NYC at Trump Tower.
I saw a story somewhere that 70% of the protestors arrested in Portland didn't even vote. I don't know how true it was and will concede error if there's a neutral source that can claim otherwise. They can protest all they want as far as I'm concerned. Trump is going to replace thousands of positions that were held by liberals and put conservatives in their place. It's not to hard to figure out why a college student wouldn't like this. The Democrat party hasn't been this mad since the Republicans freed the slaves. (That last sentence is going right into the politics joke thread)
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Post by verrip1 on Nov 23, 2016 17:10:10 GMT -5
Are the Trump protests over? Tried googling for them using yesterday's date and didn't see any. Are they taking a break for some flakka or did the donors stop contributing?
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Post by rob base on Nov 23, 2016 17:19:16 GMT -5
I think these types of liberal protests seem to die off around the holidays or when there is bad weather. It's a very principled thing.
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Post by mmhmm on Nov 23, 2016 17:21:03 GMT -5
Are the Trump protests over? Tried googling for them using yesterday's date and didn't see any. Are they taking a break for some flakka or did the donors stop contributing? If you're really Jonesing, try making up the most unbelievable story you can come up with and take it over to Reddit. I'm sure you'll get a return on investment.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 23, 2016 17:54:49 GMT -5
"President Obama and I have talking and he has been telling me what a fine Supreme Cort Justice this Garland fellow would be."
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 23, 2016 18:22:02 GMT -5
The "I won't pursue an indictment." thing. I don't think I've ever seen non-SJW's so upset. Some loyalists are pointing out that Pres. Trump never technically had the ability to pursue an indictment, although most of his base (rightly) considers this a cop-out since the obvious implication of his campaign promise was that he'd appoint an AG who'd eat, sleep, and breathe Clinton indictment. The loyalists claim this is a ploy to convince Pres. Obama he doesn't need to preemptively pardon Ms. Clinton before he leaves office, and that once he does, Pres. Trump's pick for AG (I can't recall his name) is going after her as promised. My personal thoughts: Not a chance.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 23, 2016 18:22:45 GMT -5
"President Obama and I have talking and he has been telling me what a fine Supreme Cort Justice this Garland fellow would be." You're not serious.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 23, 2016 18:27:15 GMT -5
"President Obama and I have talking and he has been telling me what a fine Supreme Cort Justice this Garland fellow would be." You're not serious.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 23, 2016 19:17:41 GMT -5
Back before the election they were paid $500 a day by the Clinton campaign...not a bad salary for a days worth of work! Here's your link, and here's your quote so I hope it meets your lofty standards of journalistic integrity LoL. linkAnd that right there is why your candidate lost. It doesn't have anything to do with her vagina or a war on women or this or that or whatever excuse people are using today. It's because she was crooked and enough of the electorate saw right through it! Your "proof" is just another "work" by James O'Keefe. (Wikipedia) James Edward O'Keefe III (born June 28, 1984) is an American conservative political activist.[2][3] He produces secretly recorded undercover audio and video encounters, some selectively edited to imply its subjects said things they did not,[4] Do you have any , you know, any actual, credible evidence?For fun, here 's another debunking of the "paid protestor" meme Fake news reports that a man came forward and claimed he had been paid to protest at a Donald Trump rally. CLAIM: A man came forward and claimed he had been paid $3,500 to protest at a Donald Trump rally. FALSE ORIGIN:In June 2016, social media users began spreading a report that a man had came forward and confessed to the news media that responded to a Craigslist ad and was paid $3,500 to protest at a March 2016 Donald Trump political rally in Arizona: For months now, rumors have circulated the Internet that individuals were being paid to protest at rallies held by presidential hopeful Donald Trump. Today a man from Trump’s rally in Fountain Hills, Arizona back in March has come forward to say that he was paid to protest the event. “I was given $3,500 to protest Donald Trump’s rally in Fountain Hills,” said the 37-year-old man, who asked not to be identified due to his reputation for telling lies for profit. “I answered a Craigslist ad about a group needing actors for a political event. I interviewed with them and got the part.” There was no truth to this rumor, however. It was just a bit of fiction apparently originating with one of the many malware-spreading, clickbait fake news sites that illegally appropriate the trademarks of legitimate news organizations in order to drive traffic and thereby generate advertising revenues. One such site carries a disclaimer reading: If you are reading this, you've been duped yet again by one of my unimaginative, unfunny fake "news" stories. More money for me, you stupid idiot. Ha, ha! LAST UPDATED: 06 June 2016 ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED: 06 June 2016 www.snopes.com/donald-trump-protester-speaks-out/
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 23, 2016 19:21:24 GMT -5
Are the Trump protests over? Tried googling for them using yesterday's date and didn't see any. Are they taking a break for some flakka or did the donors stop contributing? Protests are scheduled on Jan 20 and 21. The one on the 20th is an anti-Trump protest. The Jan 21 Women's March on Washington (WMW) is also slated in large cities all over the country. I know several women planning to participate.
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Post by steff on Nov 23, 2016 19:26:21 GMT -5
Are the Trump protests over? Tried googling for them using yesterday's date and didn't see any. Are they taking a break for some flakka or did the donors stop contributing? Protests are scheduled on Jan 19 and 20. The one on the 19th is an anti-Trump protest. The Jan 20 Women's March on Washington (WMW) is also slated in large cities all over the country. I know several women planning to participate. My mom, sis in law & I are talking about doing the Women's March in Atlanta.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 23, 2016 19:31:34 GMT -5
Protests are scheduled on Jan 19 and 20. The one on the 19th is an anti-Trump protest. The Jan 20 Women's March on Washington (WMW) is also slated in large cities all over the country. I know several women planning to participate. My mom, sis in law & I are talking about doing the Women's March in Atlanta. Two friends have already said they will be at the one in Seattle. Several others are thinking about it. None have ever orotested before (all middle aged or older) My sister and I have already booked flights to DC (paid for by ourselves). Staying at the home of her niece who has decided to join us. Sis has two neighbors who are going to the one in Denver...
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Post by steff on Nov 23, 2016 19:35:17 GMT -5
My mom, sis in law & I are talking about doing the Women's March in Atlanta. Two friends have already said they will be at the one in Seattle. Several others are thinking about it. None have ever orotested before (all middle aged or older) My sister and I have already booked flights to DC (paid for by ourselves). Staying at the home of her niece who has decided to join us. Sis has two neighbors who are going to the one in Denver... We may be marching a hundreds of miles apart, but know that we are there with you in spirit! And thank you for taking it the extra step for all us women by going to DC. THANK YOU!
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 23, 2016 19:37:26 GMT -5
I do plan to take pictures to post here (if that's ok)
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 23, 2016 19:37:27 GMT -5
We're even protesting in Canada.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 23, 2016 19:38:50 GMT -5
Glad to hear it Weltz
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Post by steff on Nov 23, 2016 19:43:18 GMT -5
I also gave up something pretty big for me today. Texas A&M is having Richard Spencer speak there soon. So I'm giving up my football team. I took all the tshirts & jerseys out of my closet, I took down my A&M signs, flag, & anything I had from them. It's all been put into a tub in the storage room.
I will NOT support anyone, any school, any business, ANYONE that supports racism, sexism, or homophobia.
This might not seem like much, but consider that my PawPaw was an alumni. I've been to the Thanksgiving bonfires. For those bonfires, they used to cut trees from my pawpaw's land (they cut trees from alumni land & replant 3 for every 1 cut down). So I've watched corp members out working to get trees for the bonfire. I mourned when the bonfire collapsed. I was raised to be an Aggie fan. I cringed when the GW Bush library was opened on campus, but it wasn't something so divisive that it would drive me away. But this did. It was like giving up a part of my PawPaw. But I will NOT support racism!
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Post by dezailoooooo on Nov 23, 2016 19:57:24 GMT -5
The "I won't pursue an indictment." thing. I don't think I've ever seen non-SJW's so upset. Some loyalists are pointing out that Pres. Trump never technically had the ability to pursue an indictment, although most of his base (rightly) considers this a cop-out since the obvious implication of his campaign promise was that he'd appoint an AG who'd eat, sleep, and breathe Clinton indictment. The loyalists claim this is a ploy to convince Pres. Obama he doesn't need to preemptively pardon Ms. Clinton before he leaves office, and that once he does, Pres. Trump's pick for AG (I can't recall his name) is going after her as promised. My personal thoughts: Not a chance. I never even gave it a thought...personally there is no reason to go after Hillery for any reason at all but with the Donald as Pres..his waffling back and forth depending how the wind blows..no matter what he says, why trust him... It would be a nice thing to do to add a pardonfor her to the group he is going to pardon at the end of his term...Let the Hillery haters gnash their teeth in frustration and anger..He already has pardoned many prisoners who were given to harsh sentences and believe another 6000 are being considered..all have served at least 10 years..it's a second chance...frees up prison space and the sentences from what I understand were way out of line of the norm...I am sure there will be other folks pardoned too...al Presidents do so..does not hurt their legacys though in the Donalds case..bet he starts tweeting his objections the minute Obama lets it be known who is being pardoned...any bet takers.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 23, 2016 19:57:47 GMT -5
Are the Trump protests over? Tried googling for them using yesterday's date and didn't see any. Are they taking a break for some flakka or did the donors stop contributing? Protests are scheduled on Jan 19 and 20. The one on the 19th is an anti-Trump protest. The Jan 20 Women's March on Washington (WMW) is also slated in large cities all over the country. I know several women planning to participate. Is the women's march in Washington on the 20th or 21st? I am seeing conflicting dates. Any women's march on the 20th would conflict with the inauguration probably at the same location.. link
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 23, 2016 20:03:36 GMT -5
The "I won't pursue an indictment." thing. I don't think I've ever seen non-SJW's so upset. Some loyalists are pointing out that Pres. Trump never technically had the ability to pursue an indictment, although most of his base (rightly) considers this a cop-out since the obvious implication of his campaign promise was that he'd appoint an AG who'd eat, sleep, and breathe Clinton indictment. The loyalists claim this is a ploy to convince Pres. Obama he doesn't need to preemptively pardon Ms. Clinton before he leaves office, and that once he does, Pres. Trump's pick for AG (I can't recall his name) is going after her as promised. My personal thoughts: Not a chance. I never even gave it a thought...personally there is no reason to go after Hillery for any reason at all but with the Donald as Pres..his waffling back and forth depending how the wind blows..no matter what he says, why trust him... It would be a nice thing to do to add a pardonfor her to the group he is going to pardon at the end of his term...Let the Hillery haters gnash their teeth in frustration and anger..He already has pardoned many prisoners who were given to harsh sentences and believe another 6000 are being considered..all have served at least 10 years..it's a second chance...frees up prison space and the sentences from what I understand were way out of line of the norm...I am sure there will be other folks pardoned too...al Presidents do so..does not hurt their legacys though in the Donalds case..bet he starts tweeting his objections the minute Obama lets it be known who is being pardoned...any bet takers. I consider the US President's ability to pardon federal crimes one of the most inane, backwards parts of your constitution, so I'm unfortunately not going to agree with any post starting with "It would be nice if the President pardoned...".
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Post by dezailoooooo on Nov 23, 2016 20:05:27 GMT -5
I also gave up something pretty big for me today. Texas A&M is having Richard Spencer speak there soon. So I'm giving up my football team. I took all the tshirts & jerseys out of my closet, I took down my A&M signs, flag, & anything I had from them. It's all been put into a tub in the storage room. I will NOT support anyone, any school, any business, ANYONE that supports racism, sexism, or homophobia. This might not seem like much, but consider that my PawPaw was an alumni. I've been to the Thanksgiving bonfires. For those bonfires, they used to cut trees from my pawpaw's land (they cut trees from alumni land & replant 3 for every 1 cut down). So I've watched corp members out working to get trees for the bonfire. I mourned when the bonfire collapsed. I was raised to be an Aggie fan. I cringed when the GW Bush library was opened on campus, but it wasn't something so divisive that it would drive me away. But this did. It was like giving up a part of my PawPaw. But I will NOT support racism! I remember when that bonfire collapsed...some students died I believe..believe now bonfire is much smaller... as far as your stopping allegence....surprised the school invited him...why invite someone who is so openly raciest in their views but have to say..it is Texas.. ...guess now with the Donalds election it is ok to let a bit of it out ..and he really doesn't come out strongly against it and his appointments....we is in for a bad four years my friends...like going back in time at least 25 years...
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Post by steff on Nov 23, 2016 20:27:33 GMT -5
I also gave up something pretty big for me today. Texas A&M is having Richard Spencer speak there soon. So I'm giving up my football team. I took all the tshirts & jerseys out of my closet, I took down my A&M signs, flag, & anything I had from them. It's all been put into a tub in the storage room. I will NOT support anyone, any school, any business, ANYONE that supports racism, sexism, or homophobia. This might not seem like much, but consider that my PawPaw was an alumni. I've been to the Thanksgiving bonfires. For those bonfires, they used to cut trees from my pawpaw's land (they cut trees from alumni land & replant 3 for every 1 cut down). So I've watched corp members out working to get trees for the bonfire. I mourned when the bonfire collapsed. I was raised to be an Aggie fan. I cringed when the GW Bush library was opened on campus, but it wasn't something so divisive that it would drive me away. But this did. It was like giving up a part of my PawPaw. But I will NOT support racism! I remember when that bonfire collapsed...some students died I believe..believe now bonfire is much smaller... as far as your stopping allegence....surprised the school invited him...why invite someone who is so openly raciest in their views but have to say..it is Texas.. ...guess now with the Donalds election it is ok to let a bit of it out ..and he really doesn't come out strongly against it and his appointments....we is in for a bad four years my friends...like going back in time at least 25 years...12 Corps members died in the collapse. The bonfire was always assembled by Corps members & alumni. After the collapse, it is now built by an engineering firm. They still have corps members cut trees from alumni land, but they are no longer allowed to build it. They also made it shorter with fewer tiers after the collapse. First bonfire was held in 1907. It became a yearly tradition around 1921-2. At first it was done to celebrate the end of the semester, but then later became about the annual Thanksgiving day game between University of Texas and A&M. The idea was that the bonfire could be seen in Austin (a couple of hundred miles away & home of UT). It was during the 70's that it went from a teepee style bonfire to a wedding cake one. And it got taller and taller and taller until the collapse. From 1999 - 2002 there was no bonfire (post colllapse). It was 2004 when everything was settled & the tradition came back. It's an amazing thing to see in person with 20,000 of your closest friends. lol
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Post by steff on Nov 23, 2016 20:54:23 GMT -5
I read it and others about it, but it's only a small % of the student body who are protesting his being there. The administration is basically playing the whole fingers in their ears lalalallalala over it. And after tweeting about it and being attacked by MANY A&M students who support this man, I want nothing at all to do with that school anymore. I can't stop them from supporting him, even if indirectly, but I CAN stop my support for them in any and all other ways. And trust me, I spend a fair amount of money on A&M stuff. Not anymore. They won't get a dime of my money from this point on. Just like I've also vowed not to spend another dime on Nascar stuff & I won't ever go to another race after Brian France came out & held a Trump rally with Nascar drivers. They tend to forget that women are the ones who buy the tshirts, banners, flags, etc. for their families. Not this woman. The guys in my house better learn to take care of the stuff they have now, because I'm not buying anyone anything now. And right at the time of year I shell out the most, Xmas. It's all about the money & money talks...This nasty bitch's money is walking.
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Post by verrip1 on Nov 23, 2016 21:18:45 GMT -5
Are the Trump protests over? Tried googling for them using yesterday's date and didn't see any. Are they taking a break for some flakka or did the donors stop contributing? If you're really Jonesing, try making up the most unbelievable story you can come up with and take it over to Reddit. I'm sure you'll get a return on investment. Likely true, but unnecessary. I find myself pre-empted by the ones already posted right here. But beyond the endemic unproven ideological characterizations so common hereabouts, did the protests stop? I really cannot fathom that our woefully inaccurate MSM would fail to report Trump protests if they were still happening. Maybe they have a poll for that. All within the margin of error. lololol
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Post by verrip1 on Nov 23, 2016 21:26:37 GMT -5
Are the Trump protests over? Tried googling for them using yesterday's date and didn't see any. Are they taking a break for some flakka or did the donors stop contributing? Protests are scheduled on Jan 19 and 20. The one on the 19th is an anti-Trump protest. The Jan 20 Women's March on Washington (WMW) is also slated in large cities all over the country. I know several women planning to participate. Sure am glad to find out that several people, women even, have commitment enough to protest ... ... two months from now when it becomes convenient enough for their otherwise busy schedules. Sudge commitment!
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