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Post by Waffle on Nov 9, 2016 22:05:14 GMT -5
CNN is reporting that there are anti-Trump protests in many U.S. cities. It seems pointless to me. Anyone here have any thoughts regarding the protests?
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 9, 2016 22:06:58 GMT -5
Now is not the time. There will be time soon enough once he take his oath.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Nov 9, 2016 22:09:56 GMT -5
the Chicago one was just a few blocks away from work, starting as I was leaving, so I went I hung out for about an hour, marched a bit. I didn't chant, but just walked along. I felt better, went home and had a good talk with the kids. I heard sirens as I was half way to the train, hope it didn't get too rowdy.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Nov 9, 2016 22:12:59 GMT -5
It is pointless. Trump is President elect. Let's hold him responsible after he takes office, but not with street protests.
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Post by Opti on Nov 9, 2016 22:15:04 GMT -5
CNN is reporting that there are anti-Trump protests in many U.S. cities. It seems pointless to me. Anyone here have any thoughts regarding the protests? I'm not surprised. I'd like to protest too. Yes, there is nothing to be gained by protesting except for letting themselves be heard. I was disappointed with the #notmypresident stuff. Even if I don't want him at all, he was elected.
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Post by Shooby on Nov 9, 2016 22:18:47 GMT -5
I thought the fate of the world hung in the balance with the peaceful transfer of power? And ,that if Trump didn't immediately concede that the world would collapse. Well, Hillary wimped out on that until today, though she did last night by phone. And, all the lectures we get by Dems about we should act before, during, and after an election never apply to them. How about that?
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Nov 9, 2016 22:21:10 GMT -5
soooo - no difference between threats of armed insurrection, and a peaceful protest exercising freedom of speech?
alrighty then.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 9, 2016 22:24:01 GMT -5
Perhaps they should have protested with their votes. Isn't this the same side that was bashing Republicans for their imagined not accepting the election results? Seems to me the phrase 'suck it up buttercup ' applies here. Show me where you read these protestors didn't vote.
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Post by grumpyhermit on Nov 9, 2016 22:27:06 GMT -5
Not really my thing, but as long as they remain peaceful, they are just exercising their 1st Amendment right.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 9, 2016 22:28:05 GMT -5
Apparently not enough of them did... That is not what you said.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Nov 9, 2016 22:30:51 GMT -5
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Nov 9, 2016 22:33:07 GMT -5
I thought the fate of the world hung in the balance with the peaceful transfer of power? And ,that if Trump didn't immediately concede that the world would collapse. Well, Hillary wimped out on that until today, though she did last night by phone. And, all the lectures we get by Dems about we should act before, during, and after an election never apply to them. How about that? The transfer of power is between the President elect and the out going President. Hillary is neither. Also conceding isn't necessary. He won the EC and lost the popular vote. Meaning most Americans voted for Hillary. Let's see if he stands by his promises. I'm waiting for the wall.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 10, 2016 6:41:44 GMT -5
I find it ludicrous. I can assure you that republicans were very upset when Obama was elected....did you see any of us protesting? Good lord...talk about being sore losers. Your candidate lost. America is fed up with the liberal bullshit and wants change. Stop acting like a bunch of fucking cry babies and move forward. Because I can assure you if the uneducated rednecks that voted for trump carried on like this, you all would have a field day
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 6:42:36 GMT -5
Were they protesting the electoral college?
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 10, 2016 6:43:06 GMT -5
I thought the fate of the world hung in the balance with the peaceful transfer of power? And ,that if Trump didn't immediately concede that the world would collapse. Well, Hillary wimped out on that until today, though she did last night by phone. And, all the lectures we get by Dems about we should act before, during, and after an election never apply to them. How about that? The transfer of power is between the President elect and the out going President. Hillary is neither. Also conceding isn't necessary. He won the EC and lost the popular vote. Meaning most Americans voted for Hillary. Let's see if he stands by his promises. I'm waiting for the wall. But if it was reversed do you really see republican out there carrying on and rioting because trump didn't win? It's freaking crazy.
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Post by rob base on Nov 10, 2016 8:01:32 GMT -5
soooo - no difference between threats of armed insurrection, and a peaceful protest exercising freedom of speech? alrighty then. U have a link of who, when, and where a threat of armed insurrection was made?
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Post by rob base on Nov 10, 2016 8:08:31 GMT -5
The transfer of power is between the President elect and the out going President. Hillary is neither. Also conceding isn't necessary. He won the EC and lost the popular vote. Meaning most Americans voted for Hillary. Let's see if he stands by his promises. I'm waiting for the wall. But if it was reversed do you really see republican out there carrying on and rioting because trump didn't win? It's freaking crazy. And if Hillary won and Trump supporters protested the same way then the press and these message boards would be going crazy slamming them as well. That's the part I don't get. That people can be so oblivious to imagining the situation reversed and then thinking how they would react. Instead they want to automatically respond with my side is right. Or my side is not wrong. They respond first instinctively instead of first considering other viewpoints before forming an opinion. Scary
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 10, 2016 8:09:28 GMT -5
soooo - no difference between threats of armed insurrection, and a peaceful protest exercising freedom of speech? alrighty then. U have a link of who, when, and where a threat of armed insurrection was made? Here is one for "revolution"
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Post by rob base on Nov 10, 2016 8:12:29 GMT -5
That's one nutjob. Every side had those. I like how u ignored that Pence DISCOURAGED armed revolt though. Very fair of you. Thanks for that. Proves my point
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Post by toshmanta on Nov 10, 2016 8:24:32 GMT -5
Protest is a fundamental right in a democracy, HOWEVER,protesting about the result of the democratic process is in effect rejecting democracy, rather ironic the protesters call themselves DEMOCRATS.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 10, 2016 8:25:12 GMT -5
But if it was reversed do you really see republican out there carrying on and rioting because trump didn't win? It's freaking crazy. And if Hillary won and Trump supporters protested the same way then the press and these message boards would be going crazy slamming them as well. That's the part I don't get. That people can be so oblivious to imagining the situation reversed and then thinking how they would react. Instead they want to automatically respond with my side is right. Or my side is not wrong. They respond first instinctively instead of first considering other viewpoints before forming an opinion. Scary It's honestly crazy. I look at the women melting down on my FB and it both cracks me up and saddens me. Cracks me up because it is like watching a 2 year old have a temper tantrum but in a grown up body...saddens me because some of these women are my friends and they are acting like fucking morons. But they can't take a step back and see how they are coming across. not like the educated women that they are...but emotional fucking basket cases....because yes, having women CRYING HYSTERICALLY over losing doesn't set the women's movement back
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 10, 2016 8:26:47 GMT -5
That's one nutjob. Every side had those. I like how u ignored that Pence DISCOURAGED armed revolt though. Very fair of you. Thanks for that. Proves my point You asked for a link. I gave you a link.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 10, 2016 8:27:43 GMT -5
First of all, more Americans voted for Hillary Clinton than for Donald Trump. So, yeah, we did make our choice. Per the rules, Trump won anyway. But it is not like America collectively chose Trump. Second of all, the protests were for several reasons. A couple of which are clear to me. They were protesting his horrid divisive campaign rhetoric, which was as nasty as anything since Strom Thurmond. (He was so bad that even the old southern Democrats gave way to his "Dixie-crat" ticket) That to me seems valid, and a good point to demonstrate for the world to see. They were also probably protesting the fact that he LOST the popular vote. I don't believe they were productive, other than to maybe show Trump that he had some work to do if he really does want to reunite the country. I did not, and would not have joined them. I think for a lot of people they were chathartic. that was good for them. I don't think they helped unify the country. That is a negative. But again, they gave a hint of the BS that Trump has to take back if he does want to mend any fences. I disagree that acting like babies...women melting down on live tv or on FB or anywhere else helps the cause. As a women it offends me that women become blathering children because their side didn't win. I get that he lost the popular vote (or at least that's the assumption...all ballots haven't been counted) so if they want to protest something, protesting the use of electorates would actually mean something. But protesting over who won using the system in place is asinine.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 10, 2016 8:49:11 GMT -5
I mostly saw footage of the local protest in Portland (ME). But they had one young woman who said that she refused to accept Trump as her president. Well, he is. So, yeah, that didn't look particularly good (imo) But I guess I am more willing to give them a pass. Think of all the poor Cleveland fans after the World Series. And consider that this actually really does matter. I get why people are emotional. The "other side" has been doing it for the past 8 years in their own way, btw. Do you realize, for instance, that there has been a shortage of ammo, and a ridiculous spike in cost of same, due to a completely irrational run on the product due to a fear of Obama unilaterally banning all weapons and ammo? For a while I couldn't even buy 22 rounds. Sold out. Ridiculous. But they impeded MY right to bear arms!Actually the manufacturer did. Supply and demand...they should have produced more.
I was very upset when Obama won...but I wouldn't degrade myself by carrying on like a child. I wouldn't spew hate towards those that I consider friends. It truly blows my mind.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 10, 2016 8:56:11 GMT -5
The only difference between those who protested Trump's win last night and the people mentioned in the article below is the candidate won. But what if Trump had not won? Warnings of conspiracy stoke anger among Trump faithfulAnd if Trump doesn’t win, some are even openly talking about violent rebellion and assassination, as fantastical and unhinged as that may seem. “If she’s in office, I hope we can start a coup. She should be in prison or shot. That’s how I feel about it,” Dan Bowman, a 50-year-old contractor, said of Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee. “We’re going to have a revolution and take them out of office if that’s what it takes. There’s going to be a lot of bloodshed. But that’s what it’s going to take. . . . I would do whatever I can for my country.” He then placed a Trump mask on his face and posed for pictures. Warnings of conspiracy stoke anger among Trump faithful Not everyone who voted for Trump thought that way just like everyone who voted for Clinton thinks the way the protestors do.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Nov 10, 2016 9:10:12 GMT -5
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 10, 2016 9:17:16 GMT -5
The only difference between those who protested Trump's win last night and the people mentioned in the article below is the candidate won. But what if Trump had not won? Warnings of conspiracy stoke anger among Trump faithfulAnd if Trump doesn’t win, some are even openly talking about violent rebellion and assassination, as fantastical and unhinged as that may seem. “If she’s in office, I hope we can start a coup. She should be in prison or shot. That’s how I feel about it,” Dan Bowman, a 50-year-old contractor, said of Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee. “We’re going to have a revolution and take them out of office if that’s what it takes. There’s going to be a lot of bloodshed. But that’s what it’s going to take. . . . I would do whatever I can for my country.” He then placed a Trump mask on his face and posed for pictures. Warnings of conspiracy stoke anger among Trump faithful Not everyone who voted for Trump thought that way just like everyone who voted for Clinton thinks the way the protestors do. So a few whackadoodles making comments translates into wide-spread anarchy? You can't seriously believe that. I'm sure there were more than a few whackadoodles spouting hate when Obama was elected for no other reason than the fact that he was black...did you see any wide spread rioting from the conservatives?
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Post by grumpyhermit on Nov 10, 2016 9:20:41 GMT -5
Protest is a fundamental right in a democracy, HOWEVER,protesting about the result of the democratic process is in effect rejecting democracy, rather ironic the protesters call themselves DEMOCRATS. One report I read about the NY protest was that it was organized by a Socialist organization. There may be Democrats there of course, but they don't seem to be the organizers (at least of that one). I also haven't seen them protesting the result of the election, so much as the man, which I think is a distinction. While I am disgusted by the result, that doesn't mean I think it is invalid.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Nov 10, 2016 9:22:45 GMT -5
The transfer of power is between the President elect and the out going President. Hillary is neither. Also conceding isn't necessary. He won the EC and lost the popular vote. Meaning most Americans voted for Hillary. Let's see if he stands by his promises. I'm waiting for the wall. But if it was reversed do you really see republican out there carrying on and rioting because trump didn't win? It's freaking crazy. IDK. I'm neither protesting nor arguing. Yes the rioting is crazy.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Nov 10, 2016 9:26:19 GMT -5
But if it was reversed do you really see republican out there carrying on and rioting because trump didn't win? It's freaking crazy. And if Hillary won and Trump supporters protested the same way then the press and these message boards would be going crazy slamming them as well. That's the part I don't get. That people can be so oblivious to imagining the situation reversed and then thinking how they would react. Instead they want to automatically respond with my side is right. Or my side is not wrong. They respond first instinctively instead of first considering other viewpoints before forming an opinion. Scary If Trump supporters had wanted to peacefully organize and protest Hillary winning then that is their first amendment right to do so. If anyone becomes violent or starts vandalizing/looting then it's a different story. One of the things that makes America great is if we don't like our president elect we have the right to say so. We have the right to disagree publicly with our government. Personally I do think time would be better spent organizing and getting active for when he starts trying to roll out his policies. Start laying the groundwork for various movements so when the time comes the message is clear.
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