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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Oct 15, 2016 16:37:21 GMT -5
I don't know. All I know is career politicians are out for themselves not the people they represent. That's why I'm All for a one time shot at politics for 6 years and you are done. No pension no perks taken with you. No secret service after. No money for your library or your house next door to house your secret service. One and done I can't agree. Continually training a new crop of people in the basics would be horribly inefficient. Plus, it would make it almost impossible to suitably fill the top positions in government if nobody is allowed to have any experience on the way up. I understand the frustration, but that proposal doesn't fix things. It makes them worse. and in many ways - that would encourage a setting yourself up for a cushy gig post government service.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 15, 2016 18:04:59 GMT -5
I can't agree. Continually training a new crop of people in the basics would be horribly inefficient. Plus, it would make it almost impossible to suitably fill the top positions in government if nobody is allowed to have any experience on the way up. I understand the frustration, but that proposal doesn't fix things. It makes them worse. and in many ways - that would encourage a setting yourself up for a cushy gig post government service. It also greatly empowers staff and bureaucrats.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 15, 2016 18:24:01 GMT -5
You know that Reid is retiring, right? Yes, that rumor has been going on for quite awhile. After lining his pockets for decades.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 15, 2016 18:26:36 GMT -5
I can't agree. Continually training a new crop of people in the basics would be horribly inefficient. Plus, it would make it almost impossible to suitably fill the top positions in government if nobody is allowed to have any experience on the way up. I understand the frustration, but that proposal doesn't fix things. It makes them worse. and in many ways - that would encourage a setting yourself up for a cushy gig post government service. Not allowed. Nothing govt or anything that has to do with contractor for the govt. it's over.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2016 21:24:39 GMT -5
I have zero issue with the so-called talking heads of the Republican Party coming apart at the seams. Long overdue. There's a reason trump became the candidate and it was not only because he said he'd do what voters wanted but because he wasn't the puke that was put forward as candidates. When the state you're from won't support you, get a clue. Yes, I get that all you hill supporters will now get on and say trump is a puke, too. Spare me, please. I'm just not interested. I'm writing in Mitch Daniels and not changing my mind. I'm not wrong, you won't change my mind or my vote, so stop trying to tell me I'm a bad person for not voting for hil.I am not aware of anyone who has said that. I may be one of the most anti-Trump people here, and I have said several times that there are legitimate reasons not to like or vote for Hillary. Those reasons are not found in anything that the Trump campaign tries to tell you because pretty much everything coming out of the Trump campaign is utter bull**** and he may be the worst candidate in the last 100 years at least, but those reasons DO exist. Now, if one were to actually cast a vote FOR Trump in spite of every piece of evidence demonstrating what a disaster he would be in almost every area, then that does say something about their judgment at least. But being a bad person? No. You say you are not voting for Trump? Good for you. I don't know anything about Mitch Daniels (so can't comment on that) but applaud the decision not to support the second most unqualified major candidate ever put forth. Fixed that for you.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2016 21:31:48 GMT -5
the GOP USED TO BE the MODERATE party. it is wild how untrue that is now, and how Democrats, relatively speaking, can claim the center. Interesting little factoid about that chart... About the same time the little red line stops heading in the right direction and starts shooting for the clouds, "The Religious Right" moved in on the Republican Party. There's an interesting timeline here: Timeline: The Religious Right and the Republican PlatformWhich includes these two interesting things:
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Post by dezailoooooo on Oct 15, 2016 21:36:55 GMT -5
I am not aware of anyone who has said that. I may be one of the most anti-Trump people here, and I have said several times that there are legitimate reasons not to like or vote for Hillary. Those reasons are not found in anything that the Trump campaign tries to tell you because pretty much everything coming out of the Trump campaign is utter bull**** and he may be the worst candidate in the last 100 years at least, but those reasons DO exist. Now, if one were to actually cast a vote FOR Trump in spite of every piece of evidence demonstrating what a disaster he would be in almost every area, then that does say something about their judgment at least. But being a bad person? No. You say you are not voting for Trump? Good for you. I don't know anything about Mitch Daniels (so can't comment on that) but applaud the decision not to support the second most unqualified major candidate ever put forth. Fixed that for you. Who is Mitch Daniels??
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 15, 2016 21:41:23 GMT -5
Former governor of Indiana now president of Purdue.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2016 21:50:49 GMT -5
Less likely if the director is a true fiscal conservative. Or would you not agree? I don't know. All I know is career politicians are out for themselves not the people they represent. That's why I'm All for a one time shot at politics for 6 years and you are done. No pension no perks taken with you. No secret service after. No money for your library or your house next door to house your secret service. One and done I'd like that as well.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2016 21:52:14 GMT -5
we have term limits already without any help from congress. it is called voting. Problem is, all too often the same bad politicians get sent back in.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 15, 2016 22:48:31 GMT -5
the GOP USED TO BE the MODERATE party. it is wild how untrue that is now, and how Democrats, relatively speaking, can claim the center. Interesting little factoid about that chart... About the same time the little red line stops heading in the right direction and starts shooting for the clouds, "The Religious Right" moved in on the Republican Party. There's an interesting timeline here: Timeline: The Religious Right and the Republican PlatformWhich includes these two interesting things: spot on, Richard.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 15, 2016 22:50:37 GMT -5
we have term limits already without any help from congress. it is called voting. Problem is, all too often the same bad politicians get sent back in. if people started voting for candidates they LIKED, we would ALL have good government in ONE ELECTION CYCLE. very frustrating, in an era where finding out about a candidate is literally keystrokes away.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2016 0:13:14 GMT -5
Problem is, all too often the same bad politicians get sent back in. if people started voting for candidates they LIKED, we would ALL have good government in ONE ELECTION CYCLE. very frustrating, in an era where finding out about a candidate is literally keystrokes away. The problem is even with that ability, so many people won't believe what's directly available for them to see. (or, as with Trump supporters, they LIKE it)
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 16, 2016 0:37:47 GMT -5
if people started voting for candidates they LIKED, we would ALL have good government in ONE ELECTION CYCLE. very frustrating, in an era where finding out about a candidate is literally keystrokes away. The problem is even with that ability, so many people won't believe what's directly available for them to see. (or, as with Trump supporters, they LIKE it) but that is just the thing, 2/3 of Trump voters list "to beat Hillary" as their MAIN reason for voting for Trump. but Kasich would have had better odds of beating her. so none of this really makes much sense.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2016 1:36:56 GMT -5
The problem is even with that ability, so many people won't believe what's directly available for them to see. (or, as with Trump supporters, they LIKE it) but that is just the thing, 2/3 of Trump voters list "to beat Hillary" as their MAIN reason for voting for Trump. but Kasich would have had better odds of beating her. so none of this really makes much sense. Exactly my point. Let's get away from Hillary and Donald... Look at Nancy Pelosi, arguably the worst, most corrupt, Representative in the building. Everyone knows this EXCEPT her constituents... who presumably also have internet and cable and radio and newspaper and talk at the water-cooler... yet they can't figure out what the whole rest of the country knows.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 16, 2016 6:37:00 GMT -5
we have term limits already without any help from congress. it is called voting. Problem is, all too often the same bad politicians get sent back in. Incumbents freely announce they have a huge advantage over anyone trying to take their place. My former congressman spends more time getting re-elected than he does doing his job.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 16, 2016 6:38:07 GMT -5
but that is just the thing, 2/3 of Trump voters list "to beat Hillary" as their MAIN reason for voting for Trump. but Kasich would have had better odds of beating her. so none of this really makes much sense. Exactly my point. Let's get away from Hillary and Donald... Look at Nancy Pelosi, arguably the worst, most corrupt, Senator in the building. Everyone knows this EXCEPT her constituents... who presumably also have internet and cable and radio and newspaper and talk at the water-cooler... yet they can't figure out what the whole rest of the country knows. Look where she's from and who she "represents."
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 16, 2016 6:40:21 GMT -5
No one runs because they want to "make a difference." They run because they want to line their pockets as well. I'm tired of being used as their Golden Fleece.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 16, 2016 6:40:43 GMT -5
Ready to be sheared.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 16, 2016 8:45:30 GMT -5
... Look at Nancy Pelosi, arguably the worst, most corrupt, Senator in the building. ... she is a Representative
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Post by Lizard Queen on Oct 16, 2016 8:55:34 GMT -5
No one runs because they want to "make a difference." They run because they want to line their pockets as well. I'm tired of being used as their Golden Fleece. The nature of the job is such that the wrong kind of people run. Look at what they have to do for their job: raise money (smiley glad-handing) and respond to their constituents (change their stripes with popular opinion). I would love to make a difference, but no way in hell would I want to do any of those things. But, they basically have to be sales-people to be elected, and the vast majority of sales-people are in it to line their pockets. When it seemed like no once was interested, I tried to make a difference by trying to get appointed to city council in my tiny city. Turned out, I wasn't the best one running, but they chose the radio guy, who was an even worse choice than me. Sales people--talk a good game even if what comes out of their mouth is nonsense.
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Post by dezailoooooo on Oct 16, 2016 8:56:24 GMT -5
This is why I prefer the democrats process. I like having the super delegates. It means that a fringe group within the democratic can never completely hijack the party and control the nomination process the way that they can in the GOP. And fhe GOP primary this year didn't seem to be the cream of the crop. It was primarily made up of unpopular governors, ex-governors who haven't been in office for the last 5-10 years, and a couple of mid-tier senators. It wasn't exactly a rock star group. So it shouldn't be a surprise that that the reality star won the primary. I agree! The country was designed to be manipulated by unelected power brokers, completely making our republic a charade. Bully for them Well when u explain it like that...actually when u think about it..in my life time...Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Carter, Reagan, Nixon, FORD, kennedy, Johnson, BUSH #1,Clinton, BUSH #2, Obama...[who did I leave out..} Overall..seems the back room and Cigar smoke filled room worked out overall not bad and the way we do it today also over all acceptable...
possible it's something else..the office itself working on the man[woman)..sure can't be our legislatures...especiallly if u use last four years as a example...
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Post by dezailoooooo on Oct 16, 2016 9:02:18 GMT -5
No one runs because they want to "make a difference." They run because they want to line their pockets as well. I'm tired of being used as their Golden Fleece. Don't agree ..you just don't like some folks who are in position to influence rules, laws that affect u.."How dare they" yadda, yadda..There are plenty who financially never needed the position to get $..thinking the Kennedys..and plenty more..Your telling me our VP was in Congress for the money..not when u look at hisv tac forms..[hey Trump , when is audit finished}
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Oct 16, 2016 10:35:09 GMT -5
No one runs because they want to "make a difference." They run because they want to line their pockets as well. I'm tired of being used as their Golden Fleece. Don't agree ..you just don't like some folks who are in position to influence rules, laws that affect u.."How dare they" yadda, yadda..There are plenty who financially never needed the position to get $..thinking the Kennedys..and plenty more..Your telling me our VP was in Congress for the money..not when u look at hisv tac forms..[hey Trump , when is audit finished}
zibazinski may make the statement too global, but it certainly is a problem. The are 3 major things that would draw someone into a career in government. A desire to perform public service, or a desire for money, or a desire for power. Many may be motivated by two or even three of those. And even if things were limited to short spans in office, there are still going to be plentiful opportunities to become lobbyist or consultants or be in top business positions after serving, for example, Eric Cantor. Big upset int he primary, got a cushy position pretty quickly: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Cantorso it definitely is a problem. It's a conflict of interest in many ways and there isn't any way to remove that conflict.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 16, 2016 11:22:24 GMT -5
but that is just the thing, 2/3 of Trump voters list "to beat Hillary" as their MAIN reason for voting for Trump. but Kasich would have had better odds of beating her. so none of this really makes much sense. Exactly my point. Let's get away from Hillary and Donald... Look at Nancy Pelosi, arguably the worst, most corrupt, ....... i don't know much about Pelosi. she is not my rep, and i have tried not to pay attention to her since she refused to impeach Bush when she took over as House Speaker (even though the case had already been prepared).
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Oct 16, 2016 12:54:52 GMT -5
Exactly my point. Let's get away from Hillary and Donald... Look at Nancy Pelosi, arguably the worst, most corrupt, Senator in the building. Everyone knows this EXCEPT her constituents... who presumably also have internet and cable and radio and newspaper and talk at the water-cooler... yet they can't figure out what the whole rest of the country knows. Look where she's from and who she "represents." Hmmm.. When did Nancy Pelosi become a senator? Did she replace Feinstein or Boxer?
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Oct 16, 2016 12:57:51 GMT -5
No one runs because they want to "make a difference." They run because they want to line their pockets as well. I'm tired of being used as their Golden Fleece. Patty Murray ran to make a difference. She got angry when she went to a state representative and was told sthat she could not make a difference because she was just a "mom in tennis shoes". She decided to run for senator and a pair of tennis shoes became her symbol... I believe she is an honest, hard working politician. She is now running for her 4th term and has become a force to content with.
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Post by dezailoooooo on Oct 16, 2016 14:05:17 GMT -5
No one runs because they want to "make a difference." They run because they want to line their pockets as well. I'm tired of being used as their Golden Fleece. Patty Murray ran to make a difference. She got angry when she went to a state representative and was told sthat she could not make a difference because she was just a "mom in tennis shoes". She decided to run for senator and a pair of tennis shoes became her symbol... I believe she is an honest, hard working politician. She is now running for her 4th term and has become a force to content with. I believe San Francisco is with in her area of representation and if so then there is the reason her politics are so liberal..constituents super left leaning in fact not leaning but firmly centered there..
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Oct 16, 2016 14:19:10 GMT -5
Patty Murray ran to make a difference. She got angry when she went to a state representative and was told sthat she could not make a difference because she was just a "mom in tennis shoes". She decided to run for senator and a pair of tennis shoes became her symbol... I believe she is an honest, hard working politician. She is now running for her 4th term and has become a force to content with. I believe San Francisco is with in her area of representation and if so then there is the reason her politics are so liberal..constituents super left leaning in fact not leaning but firmly centered there.. Patty Murray is the senator from WA state. WA state is actually split. Western WA is pretty lefty; eastern WA pretty conservative. Fortunately (depending on your point of view) more people live in western WA..... But I assume you are referring to Pelosi. In which case, I agree. She appropriately represents her district. Which is why she gets re-elected.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 16, 2016 14:43:42 GMT -5
No one runs because they want to "make a difference." They run because they want to line their pockets as well. I'm tired of being used as their Golden Fleece. Patty Murray ran to make a difference. She got angry when she went to a state representative and was told sthat she could not make a difference because she was just a "mom in tennis shoes". She decided to run for senator and a pair of tennis shoes became her symbol... I believe she is an honest, hard working politician. She is now running for her 4th term and has become a force to content with. A former member of the House of Representatives also ran to make a difference. Carolyn McCarthy served NY's 4th congressional district from 1997 to 2015. The 4th congressional district covers part of Nassau County, Long Island, NY. McCarthy won her seat in congress running on a platform of gun control. On December 7, 1993, a passenger on a Long Island Railroad commuter train suddenly began shooting fellow passengers, killing six and wounding nineteen. Carolyn McCarthy's husband was one of the six murdered and her son severely injured by the gunman.
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