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Post by emma1420 on Oct 15, 2016 9:16:02 GMT -5
I'm not sure Hillary is helping down ticket races, but Trump is definitely hurting downticket races in districts like mine.
i live in Kansas. The whole state is red. However, my district is populated with people that Trump is struggling with. Suburban white college educated married men and women. As a result, Clinton leads in this district by 10 points. Keep in mind Romney easily won my district by double digits.
But, this has turned into a problem for our congressional representative. Our district was solid red and supposed to be an easy win. However, our rep endorsed Trump who is deeply unpopular. As a result, despite this being a solidly republican district, our representative is battling for his seat. Polls have him in a statistically dead heat. I think he will get re-elected, but I like the fact that this year has made him work for it. If we had a normal republican candidate for president I don't think that our congressional rep would be having so much trouble.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 15, 2016 9:34:07 GMT -5
Yup, if the Pubs would get down to the business of the economy and out of people's personal lives, that'd be a huge step in the right direction. But not one decent Pub candidate has the balls to say the things that needed to be said. SOSDD and it cost them.
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Post by tallguy on Oct 15, 2016 10:07:40 GMT -5
I have zero issue with the so-called talking heads of the Republican Party coming apart at the seams. Long overdue. There's a reason trump became the candidate and it was not only because he said he'd do what voters wanted but because he wasn't the puke that was put forward as candidates. When the state you're from won't support you, get a clue. Yes, I get that all you hill supporters will now get on and say trump is a puke, too. Spare me, please. I'm just not interested. I'm writing in Mitch Daniels and not changing my mind. I'm not wrong, you won't change my mind or my vote, so stop trying to tell me I'm a bad person for not voting for hil.I am not aware of anyone who has said that. I may be one of the most anti-Trump people here, and I have said several times that there are legitimate reasons not to like or vote for Hillary. Those reasons are not found in anything that the Trump campaign tries to tell you because pretty much everything coming out of the Trump campaign is utter bull**** and he may be the worst candidate in the last 100 years at least, but those reasons DO exist. Now, if one were to actually cast a vote FOR Trump in spite of every piece of evidence demonstrating what a disaster he would be in almost every area, then that does say something about their judgment at least. But being a bad person? No. You say you are not voting for Trump? Good for you. I don't know anything about Mitch Daniels (so can't comment on that) but applaud the decision not to support the most unqualified major candidate ever put forth.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 15, 2016 11:11:04 GMT -5
I have zero issue with the so-called talking heads of the Republican Party coming apart at the seams. Long overdue. There's a reason trump became the candidate and it was not only because he said he'd do what voters wanted but because he wasn't the puke that was put forward as candidates. When the state you're from won't support you, get a clue. Yes, I get that all you hill supporters will now get on and say trump is a puke, too. Spare me, please. I'm just not interested. I'm writing in Mitch Daniels and not changing my mind. I'm not wrong, you won't change my mind or my vote, so stop trying to tell me I'm a bad person for not voting for hil. i don't even believe in the concept of "bad person". i believe in bad ideas. i believe in bad behaviors. DT has them both.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 15, 2016 12:37:37 GMT -5
Read up on Mitch. Former governor of Indiana now president of Purdue
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Post by tallguy on Oct 15, 2016 13:07:42 GMT -5
Read up on Mitch. Former governor of Indiana now president of Purdue Just from a couple of quick articles about him, I like him. Fiscally conservative (in actuality, not just with lip service) but apparently believes that social conservatism should not be a focus of the party. Anybody in opposition to the Mike Huckabees of the country is worth a look.
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Post by dondub on Oct 15, 2016 13:14:37 GMT -5
Problem is this current version of the Repo Party would never put up such a candidate.
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Post by tallguy on Oct 15, 2016 13:23:15 GMT -5
True, the current incarnation of the Republican Party is damn near worthless, but maybe they will finally pull their heads out and get back to real issues for next time.
Daniels used to be Director of OMB? Good.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 15, 2016 13:30:00 GMT -5
Problem is this current version of the Repo Party would never put up such a candidate. he could run as a Democrat, tho.
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Post by tallguy on Oct 15, 2016 13:35:41 GMT -5
The Sanders wing would never go for it. And besides, Bill Clinton moved the Democrats toward the center, although there has been some regression since. The Republicans countered by making a mad dash toward the extreme. They are the ones who NEED to come back.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 15, 2016 13:44:30 GMT -5
The Sanders wing would never go for it. And besides, Bill Clinton moved the Democrats toward the center, although there has been some regression since. The Republicans countered by making a mad dash toward the extreme. They are the ones who NEED to come back. .....or we could simply jettison the faction that has dragged us so far off center. i would lay stronger odds on Clinton winning Texas.
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Post by tallguy on Oct 15, 2016 13:47:03 GMT -5
The Sanders wing would never go for it. And besides, Bill Clinton moved the Democrats toward the center, although there has been some regression since. The Republicans countered by making a mad dash toward the extreme. They are the ones who NEED to come back. .....or we could simply jettison the faction that has dragged us so far off center.
i would lay stronger odds on Clinton winning Texas. I have advocated that for years, as I'm sure you recall.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 15, 2016 13:49:45 GMT -5
.....or we could simply jettison the faction that has dragged us so far off center.
i would lay stronger odds on Clinton winning Texas. I have advocated that for years, as I'm sure you recall. and i have dismissed it as a practical impossibility, as i am sure YOU will recall.
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Post by tallguy on Oct 15, 2016 13:51:07 GMT -5
Yeah, too bad they have so few adults to listen to. Or who are willing to listen.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 15, 2016 13:57:09 GMT -5
the GOP USED TO BE the MODERATE party. it is wild how untrue that is now, and how Democrats, relatively speaking, can claim the center.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 15, 2016 14:30:12 GMT -5
Read up on Mitch. Former governor of Indiana now president of Purdue Just from a couple of quick articles about him, I like him. Fiscally conservative (in actuality, not just with lip service) but apparently believes that social conservatism should not be a focus of the party. Anybody in opposition to the Mike Huckabees of the country is worth a look. Read what he said to graduating class. Best article ever. Instead of the usual the world owes you crap, he said you owe the world.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 15, 2016 14:30:59 GMT -5
True, the current incarnation of the Republican Party is damn near worthless, but maybe they will finally pull their heads out and get back to real issues for next time. Daniels used to be Director of OMB? Good. I doubt it. Bunch of dumb shits.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 15, 2016 14:32:25 GMT -5
Just from a couple of quick articles about him, I like him. Fiscally conservative (in actuality, not just with lip service) but apparently believes that social conservatism should not be a focus of the party. Anybody in opposition to the Mike Huckabees of the country is worth a look. Read what he said to graduating class. Best article ever. Instead of the usual the world owes you crap, he said you owe the world. what do you mean by "you owe the world"?
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Post by tallguy on Oct 15, 2016 14:43:43 GMT -5
If the GOP can run a charismatic, very qualified, very down to earth, practical, fiscally conservative candidate in 4 years and stick to the message of getting our financial house in order, shoring up SSI, improving the infrastructure, and encouraging business and staying miles away from any of the socially conservative stuff, I think (s)he would draw from your second GOP group above, as well as pull over a chunk of the Trumpettes plus a bunch of moderate Dems. After 12 years of Dems at the helm, I think a fiscally conservative message would play well. If the GOP could find a Hispanic/black/female candidate to put forward, so much the better.
The Trumpette part of the GOP will feel like they aren't being represented, but they won't vote for the dems. They'll vote for their own Trumpette candidate, or they'll not vote at all.
That's how the GOP reverts to it's grand old roots. the Trumpettes.
Nope. We've tried elements of that and the democratic sympathetic media will just misrepresent and railroad them. Might as well go for broke republicans. The media is in the tank for the democrats regardless of policy or what it might take to save our republic and help our citizens WHEN have you tried that in the last several decades? (And are you going to claim that is a typo or an insult there?)
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Oct 15, 2016 14:48:20 GMT -5
Read what he said to graduating class. Best article ever. Instead of the usual the world owes you crap, he said you owe the world. what do you mean by "you owe the world"? sounds to me like co opted JFK - ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for yourcountry
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 15, 2016 14:49:49 GMT -5
what do you mean by "you owe the world"? sounds to me like co opted JFK - ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for yourcountry that is what came to mind for me, as well. but i will wait for zib to comment.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 15, 2016 15:29:07 GMT -5
what do you mean by "you owe the world"? sounds to me like co opted JFK - ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for yourcountry Close enough. It was a great speech anyway. Not a fan of Kennedy but my Father thought he walked on water.
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Post by tallguy on Oct 15, 2016 15:47:48 GMT -5
True, the current incarnation of the Republican Party is damn near worthless, but maybe they will finally pull their heads out and get back to real issues for next time. Daniels used to be Director of OMB? Good. I doubt it. Bunch of dumb shits. Less likely if the director is a true fiscal conservative. Or would you not agree?
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 15, 2016 15:50:38 GMT -5
sounds to me like co opted JFK - ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for yourcountry Close enough. It was a great speech anyway. Not a fan of Kennedy but my Father thought he walked on water. i am not a big fan of JFK for this precise reason. i owe nothing to my nation other than my taxes and my educated vigilance.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 15, 2016 15:54:46 GMT -5
I doubt it. Bunch of dumb shits. Less likely if the director is a true fiscal conservative. Or would you not agree? I don't know. All I know is career politicians are out for themselves not the people they represent. That's why I'm All for a one time shot at politics for 6 years and you are done. No pension no perks taken with you. No secret service after. No money for your library or your house next door to house your secret service. One and done
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Post by tallguy on Oct 15, 2016 16:01:52 GMT -5
Less likely if the director is a true fiscal conservative. Or would you not agree? I don't know. All I know is career politicians are out for themselves not the people they represent. That's why I'm All for a one time shot at politics for 6 years and you are done. No pension no perks taken with you. No secret service after. No money for your library or your house next door to house your secret service. One and done I can't agree. Continually training a new crop of people in the basics would be horribly inefficient. Plus, it would make it almost impossible to suitably fill the top positions in government if nobody is allowed to have any experience on the way up. I understand the frustration, but that proposal doesn't fix things. It makes them worse.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 15, 2016 16:11:55 GMT -5
we have term limits already without any help from congress.
it is called voting.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 15, 2016 16:26:46 GMT -5
Then you get pieces of shit like Pelosi and Reid who freakin never die but hang on and destroy. There's plenty of Pubs that need to be long gone, too, but once they're entrenched , they stay.
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Post by dondub on Oct 15, 2016 16:29:04 GMT -5
Their constituents seem to appreciate them and their work. They probably don't care what vile folks nationwide, who would consider them "pieces of shit", think about them. Nor should they.
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Post by tallguy on Oct 15, 2016 16:34:53 GMT -5
You know that Reid is retiring, right?
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