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Post by tallguy on Oct 12, 2016 20:49:21 GMT -5
This article from fivethirtyeight sums it up nicely. There's a couple of really dramatic illustrations: ![](http://i2.wp.com/espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/silver-electionupdate-womenvoted.png?quality=90&strip=all&w=575&ssl=1) ![](http://i1.wp.com/espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/silver-electionupdate-menvoted.png?quality=90&strip=all&w=575&ssl=1) yeah, except i got it backwards. HC would win with over 400 EV if only WOMEN voted. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/shucks2.png) edit: i think it would be a good moment to note how seriously crazy the projections of some of the "white wave" people are. they were saying that Trump will win 49 states if their lauded "white wave" took place. i can't imagine it producing bigger results than the bottom map- which is about how much HC is projected to win by TODAY (without any wave whatsoever). in other words, even if you assume that nonsense is right, Trump would get an average sort of victory and lose all of the deep blue states. Believe me, I have NEVER been so thankful for and appreciative of Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony in my life!
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Post by tallguy on Oct 12, 2016 21:01:06 GMT -5
In my mind, if the moderate GOPers pick a solid candidate prior to the start of the primaries and then they all rally around a few good candidates, they squeeze out the Trump style candidates. IMHO, the GOP shot themselves in the foot when they had such a giant field of candidates at the start of primary season.
I know that requires some back room deals and negotiations, which are not ideal in a democracy, but you're right, unless the GOP can re evaluate how they do their primaries, another Trump can slide in, because the less radical candidates split the rest of the vote between them.
I don't know, maybe the GOP can come up with some kind of 'pre-primary' run off and then limit the number of candidates it elevates to the 'real' primary to the top four candidates? Maybe some electronic voting poll of registered GOP voters to narrow the field?
the GOP absolutely CAN limit the number of contenders in the primary. i don't know how they do that, but it is THEIR party, and they can do whatever they like, including CHOOSING THE CANDIDATE TO RUN. they have chosen to have an open process, like the Democrats, and it is producing some really awful results. they need to think long and hard about how to stop that. Romney was not a good choice, imo. but he was infinitely better than President Trump. Yes. The way to not end up with a deplorable candidate is to not let the deplorables nominate one. Even as militantly anti-smoking as I am, I'd be happy to put them all into a smoke-filled back room to figure out who they should run. And I still remember the start of the campaign, when people were touting 'the most impressive group of qualified candidates ever assembled.' I remember thinking, "What? I don't see even one!" Kasich had some possibilities, but some of his positions....
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Post by haapai on Oct 12, 2016 21:22:08 GMT -5
As a known middle to the left type of guy u might think I am reveling in this BS..believe me I am not..In a way I feel for loyal members of that party that I would never vote for..reason, it is not healthy for the country..not good for me or mine..we need diversity, I do not trust ANY one only party including mine....other ideas are needed...even off the wall ones that I feel come from that other party.Hopefully afyer this disaster the leaders of the GOP will not go back to the party of " NO" and join in in governing this great country of ours... Replace guy with gal and you've written exactly the spiel that I wish I could write. I rarely vote for Republican candidates for any office (I think that I have done so exactly twice in three decades) but I need a healthy, competent, non-deranged GOP so that I'll have an option when the Democrats that I prefer show themselves to be hopelessly corrupt, incompetent, or compromised. Which happens quite a lot when you don't face any meaningful competition. Twenty years in office will corrupt most folks, and if they aren't personally corrupt, you can bet your sweet bippy that a lot of their friends and cronies are.
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Post by dezailoooooo on Oct 12, 2016 21:40:47 GMT -5
As a known middle to the left type of guy u might think I am reveling in this BS..believe me I am not..In a way I feel for loyal members of that party that I would never vote for..reason, it is not healthy for the country..not good for me or mine..we need diversity, I do not trust ANY one only party including mine....other ideas are needed...even off the wall ones that I feel come from that other party.Hopefully afyer this disaster the leaders of the GOP will not go back to the party of " NO" and join in in governing this great country of ours... Replace guy with gal and you've written exactly the spiel that I wish I could write. I rarely vote for Republican candidates for any office (I think that I have done so exactly twice in three decades) but I need a healthy, competent, non-deranged GOP so that I'll have an option when the Democrats that I prefer show themselves to be hopelessly corrupt, incompetent, or compromised. Which happens quite a lot when you don't face any meaningful competition. Twenty years in office will corrupt most folks, and if they aren't personally corrupt, you can bet your sweet bippy that a lot of their friends and cronies are. Well spoken...so true...look back and u will see I corrected my original post....
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Post by haapai on Oct 12, 2016 21:55:39 GMT -5
You seem to have left "afyer" in place.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 12, 2016 21:59:05 GMT -5
i just got this email from the NRCC:
Friend -- We're four weeks out from Election Day, and Hillary Clinton is feeling more confident than ever.
Just today, we received reports that Hillary Clinton's Super PAC is setting its sights on Congress.
With the momentum fully in her favor, Hillary's aiming for a total liberal takeover. She's shifting her resources to secure Congress for her radical liberal agenda.
We CANNOT let her destroy the last line of defense for conservative values.
EMERGENCY TRIPLE-MATCH
my reply:
if you hadn't nominated someone with the appeal of a gout attack, i would consider it.
best of luck,
XXXXX
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Post by Pants on Oct 12, 2016 22:03:59 GMT -5
i just got this email from the NRCC: Friend -- We're four weeks out from Election Day, and Hillary Clinton is feeling more confident than ever.
Just today, we received reports that Hillary Clinton's Super PAC is setting its sights on Congress.
With the momentum fully in her favor, Hillary's aiming for a total liberal takeover. She's shifting her resources to secure Congress for her radical liberal agenda.
We CANNOT let her destroy the last line of defense for conservative values.
EMERGENCY TRIPLE-MATCHmy reply: if you hadn't nominated someone with the appeal of a gout attack, i would consider it. best of luck, XXXXX *snort* I feel like you may have oversold his appeal there.
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Post by emma1420 on Oct 12, 2016 22:39:05 GMT -5
the GOP absolutely CAN limit the number of contenders in the primary. i don't know how they do that, but it is THEIR party, and they can do whatever they like, including CHOOSING THE CANDIDATE TO RUN. they have chosen to have an open process, like the Democrats, and it is producing some really awful results. they need to think long and hard about how to stop that. Romney was not a good choice, imo. but he was infinitely better than President Trump. Yes. The way to not end up with a deplorable candidate is to not let the deplorables nominate one. Even as militantly anti-smoking as I am, I'd be happy to put them all into a smoke-filled back room to figure out who they should run. And I still remember the start of the campaign, when people were touting 'the most impressive group of qualified candidates ever assembled.' I remember thinking, "What? I don't see even one!" Kasich had some possibilities, but some of his positions.... This is why I prefer the democrats process. I like having the super delegates. It means that a fringe group within the democratic can never completely hijack the party and control the nomination process the way that they can in the GOP. And fhe GOP primary this year didn't seem to be the cream of the crop. It was primarily made up of unpopular governors, ex-governors who haven't been in office for the last 5-10 years, and a couple of mid-tier senators. It wasn't exactly a rock star group. So it shouldn't be a surprise that that the reality star won the primary.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 22:51:06 GMT -5
I don't know if the party is coming apart at the seams, but Mr. Trump sure appears to be. Those seams weren't strong to begin with, but they are ripping like crazy.Kind of like the Trump line of suits... from what I've heard.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 23:01:30 GMT -5
And you better hope this isn't the end of the GOP. That is, unless you want to become a one party state, like China..... It wouldn't end up one party if the GOP implodes. The Libertarian Party would likely take over as "the other one, of the big two"....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 23:47:14 GMT -5
One thing has certainly been proven by now: There is nowhere near enough room in the Republican brand for the Trump brand to fit inside it. And in that conflict, Donald cares NOTHING about the Republican brand. Donald Trump thinks that he's Neo, and that the GOP is Agent Smith... at the end of "The Matrix". when Neo jumps into Smith and blows him up from the inside. ETA:
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 12, 2016 23:57:52 GMT -5
One thing has certainly been proven by now: There is nowhere near enough room in the Republican brand for the Trump brand to fit inside it. And in that conflict, Donald cares NOTHING about the Republican brand. Donald Trump thinks that he's Neo, and that the GOP is Agent Smith... at the end of "The Matrix". when Neo jumps into Smith and blows him up from the inside. i really like this analysis, Richard. this says that the only thing that would give Trump more pleasure than winning the presidential race would be to become the instrument of the GOP's destruction. if that is true, and i think that it probably is, there is NO WAY he gets out of the race. getting out of the race would allow the GOP to continue in it's machinations, without any regard for what Trump has built. and that just seems utterly impossible if you are correct.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2016 0:02:57 GMT -5
For the record, Donald Trump is no Neo. Just wanted to make it clear that he only THINKS that he is.
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Post by happyhoix on Oct 13, 2016 8:40:15 GMT -5
Donald Trump thinks that he's Neo, and that the GOP is Agent Smith... at the end of "The Matrix". when Neo jumps into Smith and blows him up from the inside. i really like this analysis, Richard. this says that the only thing that would give Trump more pleasure than winning the presidential race would be to become the instrument of the GOP's destruction. if that is true, and i think that it probably is, there is NO WAY he gets out of the race. getting out of the race would allow the GOP to continue in it's machinations, without any regard for what Trump has built. and that just seems utterly impossible if you are correct. If you really want to mess your mind up, consider the possibility that Trump, who was a democrat for a lot longer time than he was a republican, is a democratic plant to blow up the election, insuring Hillary wins it.
That would be an awesome twist if this was a movie, but IRL, Trump is not the kind of person who would blow up his career for the good of the nation, even if he was a devoted Clinton supporter.
Because he definitely will have negatively impacted his remaining career, by souring the value of the Trump name. He built a lot of his wealth on licensing it to other companies, but it won't mean luxury anymore, after this shit storm of an election.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Oct 13, 2016 9:00:17 GMT -5
Yes. The way to not end up with a deplorable candidate is to not let the deplorables nominate one. Even as militantly anti-smoking as I am, I'd be happy to put them all into a smoke-filled back room to figure out who they should run. And I still remember the start of the campaign, when people were touting 'the most impressive group of qualified candidates ever assembled.' I remember thinking, "What? I don't see even one!" Kasich had some possibilities, but some of his positions.... This is why I prefer the democrats process. I like having the super delegates. It means that a fringe group within the democratic can never completely hijack the party and control the nomination process the way that they can in the GOP. And fhe GOP primary this year didn't seem to be the cream of the crop. It was primarily made up of unpopular governors, ex-governors who haven't been in office for the last 5-10 years, and a couple of mid-tier senators. It wasn't exactly a rock star group. So it shouldn't be a surprise that that the reality star won the primary. I've never been comfortable with super delegates, but now I can see the rationale.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Oct 13, 2016 9:08:20 GMT -5
For the record, Donald Trump is no Neo. Just wanted to make it clear that he only THINKS that he is. LOL - I am sure Trump thinks he is "the one". I agree - he is no Neo ![]()
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Post by Miss Tequila on Oct 13, 2016 9:11:51 GMT -5
That's an interesting point. Assume HRC wins the WH and the Dems take the Senate in 2016 (as current polls suggest. The current empty slot on the SC gets filled right away, thus guaranteed at least one more moderate. Then Ruth Bader Ginsberg retires and is replaced by someone with similar views. All before 2018..... What do the anti choice folks do then? And what effect will that have on the GOP? Honestly, it's not been overturned in the 43 years since it was decided. And there has been at least one additional case that confirmed Roe V Wade, I believe in the early 90's, and probably many more at the lower levels. At this point it is highly unlikely that the decision will ever be overturned. I don't understand that being a voting point anymore. Maybe I am very wrong and there are current justices just waiting for the chance to rule again. Or maybe we will get a super conservative in office that can place 5 super conservative judges AND get them approved AND get a case back before the court AND get them to rule differently. I'm staunchly pro-life and I'm a republican...that being said, I would vote for a pro-choice fiscal republican because the economy and national security are far above my abortion on my list of qualities I need in a candidate. I will always believe that abortion is murder but we have bigger fish to fry.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 13, 2016 9:12:36 GMT -5
i really like this analysis, Richard. this says that the only thing that would give Trump more pleasure than winning the presidential race would be to become the instrument of the GOP's destruction. if that is true, and i think that it probably is, there is NO WAY he gets out of the race. getting out of the race would allow the GOP to continue in it's machinations, without any regard for what Trump has built. and that just seems utterly impossible if you are correct. If you really want to mess your mind up, consider the possibility that Trump, who was a democrat for a lot longer time than he was a republican, is a democratic plant to blow up the election, insuring Hillary wins it.
That would be an awesome twist if this was a movie, but IRL, Trump is not the kind of person who would blow up his career for the good of the nation, even if he was a devoted Clinton supporter.
Because he definitely will have negatively impacted his remaining career, by souring the value of the Trump name. He built a lot of his wealth on licensing it to other companies, but it won't mean luxury anymore, after this shit storm of an election.
I actually like that theory a lot. I think Hillary would have had a tough time with a candidate that was a regular human.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 13, 2016 9:23:27 GMT -5
If you really want to mess your mind up, consider the possibility that Trump, who was a democrat for a lot longer time than he was a republican, is a democratic plant to blow up the election, insuring Hillary wins it.
That would be an awesome twist if this was a movie, but IRL, Trump is not the kind of person who would blow up his career for the good of the nation, even if he was a devoted Clinton supporter.
Because he definitely will have negatively impacted his remaining career, by souring the value of the Trump name. He built a lot of his wealth on licensing it to other companies, but it won't mean luxury anymore, after this shit storm of an election.
I actually like that theory a lot. I think Hillary would have had a tough time with a candidate that was a regular human. i like it, other than the fact that it lets the deplorables off the hook.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 13, 2016 9:27:55 GMT -5
I actually like that theory a lot. I think Hillary would have had a tough time with a candidate that was a regular human. i like it, other than the fact that it lets the deplorables off the hook. Maybe they are also plants just to make sure Trump is the worst. We got Putin to pretend he is involved, and everything!
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Oct 13, 2016 11:16:15 GMT -5
I agree with everything you said but.....we are going to have a "sleeze" representing us either way this election goes. Naturally I don't agree with u there..though appreciate the other as far as agreeing with me...I never could understand the dislike..I guess I could say actual hatred that some have toward Hillery. Don't misunderstand me..not suggesting u feel that way.. I am going to suggest thst if Hillery gets the office, before joining in the criticism of her that friends or neighbors might be spouting..suggest give her a chance , it's a hell of a tough job..and for those who say they gey paid a lot...even with the perks of Camp David, White House and all those other perks, she and Bill are very well off and aren't doing this for the $. Understand there are things she is going to want to do legistating that may not be your thing..but that is the same for all who hold that office. She is a liberal..she is going to recommend a justice who feels as she does, though if GOP is smart they will quickly have hearings and approve the one Obama has recommended..the guy is supposed to be a moderate in his views.. With all that said, without knowing what problems the country will face in the next four years..I feel very confident she and the team she will put together will do a fine job and take good care in looking out for it's citizens...a hell of a lot better then if the Donald was in that position, to the ppoint you will look back down the road and marvel that you felt you had her # in calling her out as a sleeze. The lady is anything but...[as the Donald would say....."Trust Me"] First off, Dezi....I don't "hate" anybody except my ex-husband. I don't know her personally. And..I don't usually name call so my use of the word "sleeze" was just using the word you used in regards to Mr. Trump. I have a hard time believing you don't see why people won't vote for her. Her record of dishonesty and a lack of integrity stands for everyone to see if they are interested in looking past what their party wants them to see/hear. Now...is her dishonestly and lack of integrity worse that his? No. I don't think so, but "less worse" isn't good enough for me and it shouldn't be good enough for anybody IMO. I know one of them is going to be elected and it's most probably going to be her but again...less worse isn't good enough for me.
When she is elected, I will give her the same respect as the leader of our county as I've given every candidate I haven't voted for. I honestly think both parties will strive to do better next election and put candidates forth people can believe in. She will be a one-term president because she's not the type of person that should be running our country - neither is he. I did not vote for President Obama, but I didn't feel he was unfit - just inexperienced. She is unfit. That being said, I will respect the choice of the American people.
No, Dezi...I won't "marvel" at how awesome she's going to be. What I do "marvel" at is that people don't see how truly UNawesome she is. Leopards don't change their spots. But I will respect her as is due the leader of our country.
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Post by dezailoooooo on Oct 13, 2016 12:00:12 GMT -5
Naturally I don't agree with u there..though appreciate the other as far as agreeing with me...I never could understand the dislike..I guess I could say actual hatred t ome have toward Hilleryhat s. Don't misunderstand me..not suggesting u feel that way..I am going to suggest thst if Hillery gets the office, before joining in the criticism of her that friends or neighbors might be spouting..suggest give her a chance , it's a hell of a tough job..and for those who say they gey paid a lot...even with the perks of Camp David, White House and all those other perks, she and Bill are very well off and aren't doing this for the $. Understand there are things she is going to want to do legistating that may not be your thing..but that is the same for all who hold that office. She is a liberal..she is going to recommend a justice who feels as she does, though if GOP is smart they will quickly have hearings and approve the one Obama has recommended..the guy is supposed to be a moderate in his views.. With all that said, without knowing what problems the country will face in the next four years..I feel very confident she and the team she will put together will do a fine job and take good care in looking out for it's citizens...a hell of a lot better then if the Donald was in that position, to the ppoint you will look back down the road and marvel that you felt you had her # in calling her out as a sleeze. The lady is anything but...[as the Donald would say....."Trust Me"] First off, Dezi....I don't "hate" anybody except my ex-husband. I don't know her personally. And..I don't usually name call so my use of the word "sleeze" was just using the word you used in regards to Mr. Trump. I have a hard time believing you don't see why people won't vote for her. Her record of dishonesty and a lack of integrity stands for everyone to see if they are interested in looking past what their party wants them to see/hear. Now...is her dishonestly and lack of integrity worse that his? No. I don't think so, but "less worse" isn't good enough for me and it shouldn't be good enough for anybody IMO. I know one of them is going to be elected and it's most probably going to be her but again...less worse isn't good enough for me.
When she is elected, I will give her the same respect as the leader of our county as I've given every candidate I haven't voted for. I honestly think both parties will strive to do better next election and put candidates forth people can believe in. She will be a one-term president because she's not the type of person that should be running our country - neither is he. I did not vote for President Obama, but I didn't feel he was unfit - just inexperienced. She is unfit. That being said, I will respect the choice of the American people.
No, Dezi...I won't "marvel" at how awesome she's going to be. What I do "marvel" at is that people don't see how truly UNawesome she is. Leopards don't change their spots. But I will respect her as is due the leader of our country.
First off Green...never suggested you and Hate..see following.." actual hatred some have..." I have to say I do have a hard time understanding as I said the anomosity toward here..what record of "dishonesty"..and "integrity"..list em and I will look them up. .I do know that over $80 million was spent..thats my money and yours..to investigate the Clintons. She spent 12 hours testifying before committees investigating her doings. A special prosecutor [ Star} himself apologized for the investigation..how done , admitted it was all politically motivated and nothing bad was found..$80 million lost..[trump wants another special prosecutor now to investigate again.....] She has been in public office or involved for over 35 years..Has there possible been some questionable doings to push legislation..get things done? Probably and for me I can live with it..I am a realist..I served my country in a war , admittedly possible the wrong one, but one does not have choices sometimes.. as a leader of troops...and there are things I was involved in that u would not be comfortable with I am sure..yet I served honorable and was decorated..came out of it basically whole..shit happens...same with Hillery... I am sure some/ same happened with Hillery...Her e mail screw up beyond her screwing up does not bother me..Bengazi, beyond the tragic deaths of our people there..her job was not security or her training..shit happens..so if u have other parts of her life that bother u please list...possible I may learn something. As far as how many terms she serves..who really knows...When u consider if she won another term ..[thinking and believing she wins this one..] that would mean 16 years one party..that is pushing it..believe even Mother Teresa would have a hard time getting accepted for that long a time.....we'll see won't we.. Tell u what..feel that strongly about her , just don't invite her in for tea...
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Oct 14, 2016 9:03:28 GMT -5
Very worthwhile reading. Thanks for sharing. I wish she'd put it on FB
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Oct 14, 2016 10:10:36 GMT -5
First off, Dezi....I don't "hate" anybody except my ex-husband. I don't know her personally. And..I don't usually name call so my use of the word "sleeze" was just using the word you used in regards to Mr. Trump. I have a hard time believing you don't see why people won't vote for her. Her record of dishonesty and a lack of integrity stands for everyone to see if they are interested in looking past what their party wants them to see/hear. Now...is her dishonestly and lack of integrity worse that his? No. I don't think so, but "less worse" isn't good enough for me and it shouldn't be good enough for anybody IMO. I know one of them is going to be elected and it's most probably going to be her but again...less worse isn't good enough for me.
When she is elected, I will give her the same respect as the leader of our county as I've given every candidate I haven't voted for. I honestly think both parties will strive to do better next election and put candidates forth people can believe in. She will be a one-term president because she's not the type of person that should be running our country - neither is he. I did not vote for President Obama, but I didn't feel he was unfit - just inexperienced. She is unfit. That being said, I will respect the choice of the American people.
No, Dezi...I won't "marvel" at how awesome she's going to be. What I do "marvel" at is that people don't see how truly UNawesome she is. Leopards don't change their spots. But I will respect her as is due the leader of our country.
First off Green...never suggested you and Hate..see following.." actual hatred some have..." I have to say I do have a hard time understanding as I said the anomosity toward here..what record of "dishonesty"..and "integrity"..list em and I will look them up. .I do know that over $80 million was spent..thats my money and yours..to investigate the Clintons. She spent 12 hours testifying before committees investigating her doings. A special prosecutor [ Star} himself apologized for the investigation..how done , admitted it was all politically motivated and nothing bad was found..$80 million lost..[trump wants another special prosecutor now to investigate again.....] She has been in public office or involved for over 35 years..Has there possible been some questionable doings to push legislation..get things done? Probably and for me I can live with it..I am a realist..I served my country in a war , admittedly possible the wrong one, but one does not have choices sometimes.. as a leader of troops...and there are things I was involved in that u would not be comfortable with I am sure..yet I served honorable and was decorated..came out of it basically whole..shit happens...same with Hillery... I am sure some/ same happened with Hillery...Her e mail screw up beyond her screwing up does not bother me..Bengazi, beyond the tragic deaths of our people there..her job was not security or her training..shit happens..s o if u have other parts of her life that bother u please list...possible I may learn something.
As far as how many terms she serves..who really knows...When u consider if she won another term ..[thinking and believing she wins this one..] that would mean 16 years one party..that is pushing it..believe even Mother Teresa would have a hard time getting accepted for that long a time.....we'll see won't we.. Tell u what..feel that strongly about her , just don't invite her in for tea... This is where I am at as well. I can no longer listen to blanket statements and adjectives, these have been used too loosely and too freuqently. Outside of the Fox news crowd, they are meaningless to anyone who is trying to figure out what is going on, what is true, and what should be considered. As we saw on the other thread - we have good reason to conclude that Hillary tells the truth twice as much as donald, but people keep saying hillary is a liar. In those analyzed, Hillary was int he top 10 of most honest politicians, and donald was #3 for most lies told. So - too many people accepting blanket statements and adjectives that are relatively free of any real facts of comparative analysis to others.
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Post by kadee79 on Oct 14, 2016 23:31:51 GMT -5
Love Borowitz, and much truth is in humor!
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 15, 2016 8:11:36 GMT -5
I have zero issue with the so-called talking heads of the Republican Party coming apart at the seams. Long overdue. There's a reason trump became the candidate and it was not only because he said he'd do what voters wanted but because he wasn't the puke that was put forward as candidates. When the state you're from won't support you, get a clue. Yes, I get that all you hill supporters will now get on and say trump is a puke, too. Spare me, please. I'm just not interested. I'm writing in Mitch Daniels and not changing my mind. I'm not wrong, you won't change my mind or my vote, so stop trying to tell me I'm a bad person for not voting for hil.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 15, 2016 8:14:00 GMT -5
First off Green...never suggested you and Hate..see following.." actual hatred some have..." I have to say I do have a hard time understanding as I said the anomosity toward here..what record of "dishonesty"..and "integrity"..list em and I will look them up. .I do know that over $80 million was spent..thats my money and yours..to investigate the Clintons. She spent 12 hours testifying before committees investigating her doings. A special prosecutor [ Star} himself apologized for the investigation..how done , admitted it was all politically motivated and nothing bad was found..$80 million lost..[trump wants another special prosecutor now to investigate again.....] She has been in public office or involved for over 35 years..Has there possible been some questionable doings to push legislation..get things done? Probably and for me I can live with it..I am a realist..I served my country in a war , admittedly possible the wrong one, but one does not have choices sometimes.. as a leader of troops...and there are things I was involved in that u would not be comfortable with I am sure..yet I served honorable and was decorated..came out of it basically whole..shit happens...same with Hillery... I am sure some/ same happened with Hillery...Her e mail screw up beyond her screwing up does not bother me..Bengazi, beyond the tragic deaths of our people there..her job was not security or her training..shit happens..s o if u have other parts of her life that bother u please list...possible I may learn something.
As far as how many terms she serves..who really knows...When u consider if she won another term ..[thinking and believing she wins this one..] that would mean 16 years one party..that is pushing it..believe even Mother Teresa would have a hard time getting accepted for that long a time.....we'll see won't we.. Tell u what..feel that strongly about her , just don't invite her in for tea... This is where I am at as well. I can no longer listen to blanket statements and adjectives, these have been used too loosely and too freuqently. Outside of the Fox news crowd, they are meaningless to anyone who is trying to figure out what is going on, what is true, and what should be considered. As we saw on the other thread - we have good reason to conclude that Hillary tells the truth twice as much as donald, but people keep saying hillary is a liar. In those analyzed, Hillary was int he top 10 of most honest politicians, and donald was #3 for most lies told. So - too many people accepting blanket statements and adjectives that are relatively free of any real facts of comparative analysis to others. Hard to believe anyone believes anything that either of them say but especially her. Maybe she'll shock me and do a decent job or she will continue obamas legacy and that'll be the end.
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Post by haapai on Oct 15, 2016 8:35:59 GMT -5
There was a lot of talk during the last election and midterms about the GOP becoming the party that just could not win the Presidency (demographic suicide was the phrase used) but could continue to do just fine in Congressional elections, especially the midterms.
There may be something to that. So far, the swing toward Clinton doesn't seem to be helping the Democratic candidates in close House and Senate races.
Trump could lose by a landslide and not trigger meaningful introspection in the GOP. In fact, the more that he disgraces himself in the next few weeks, the less likely the GOP is to examine their own strategy. Unless a Trump defeat is accompanied by losing both the Senate and House by margins that won't be reversed in the midterms, this disastrous election can all be pinned on him and a few scapegoats that backed him.
I don't expect expect the House to change hands, at least not for very long, and I don't expect much change in the GOP. They can blame this fiasco on the Donald instead of themselves.
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