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Post by MJ2.0 on Sept 24, 2016 8:52:15 GMT -5
This is going to seem off topic, but who here thinks the employee should have disclosed her pregnancy to janee, rather than janee learning about it from social media?
I ask because I see a lot of people on the boards saying that a pregnant interviewee should not disclose a pregnancy, generally with the logic that "the company is going to do what's best for them you've got to do what's best for you", and quite frankly I see some of those same people here telling the business owner that no matter whether she is required to or not she should go above and beyond to do what's best for the employee. So, which is it? Everyone for themselves? Or everyone to accommodate one particular employee circumstance?
Now, I have to admit I am biased because from the few things that have been disclosed by janee, I'm actually not a fan of this employee. If you're going to withhold information from a potential employer, have the decency to assume they are not complete f'ing idiots and do something about your social media. And when you have a boss who is obviously as kind and accommodating as janee, don't be a dick and just send a link with the implication "here is what you HAVE to do for me". And if you're going to be a dick and send the link, get your facts right; because as it turns out, it is not what she has to do for you and that just makes you look dumb.
It just seems like having this conversation with janee in person (say earlier this week when janee was nice enough to have her over for lunch) would have been 1000 times more professional, courteous and respectful. Even better would have been having the conversation and offering a potential solution! I'm not saying janee shouldn't do what she can to accommodate, but I'm saying this particular employee's way of going about things would make a lot of bosses less inclined to go above and beyond. And the fact that she's in sales and lacks the people skills to have had that conversation is alarming.
I see no one saying that janee is required to help this employee. Can you please find some of these posts and quote them? What I DO see is people saying she should accommodate her if she can. And I recall the pregnancy disclosure conversation being about disclosing a pregnancy to a potential employer - not to a current one. So are we not reading anymore.... like is that a thing now? Cuz if we're gonna start taking like one post, twisting it, and creating our own conclusion based off an intentional misread, then I've got some truly golden posts just waiting to be typed out. |
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Post by bookkeeper on Sept 24, 2016 9:22:34 GMT -5
A free standing folding privacy screen would provide privacy for nursing without making any change to the office space.
If we don't make allowances for parents at work, where are the next generation of workers going to come from?
I worked in a bank back in the day with 2 men and 7 women, 5 of whom were growing their families. The boss, who was a man, was growing his own family and understood completely the challenges of being a parent and a good employee at the same time. I think he veiwed employees with children as being resourceful and good multi taskers. Turnover was very low at this bank because of the management skills Dan, the manager, practiced daily.
Dan also showed up most days after lunch with baby spit up on his shoulder. I felt like we understood each other when it came to the work/life balance.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Sept 24, 2016 9:25:13 GMT -5
A free standing folding privacy screen would provide privacy for nursing without making any change to the office space. If we don't make allowances for parents at work, where are the next generation of workers going to come from? I worked in a bank back in the day with 2 men and 7 women, 5 of whom were growing their families. The boss, who was a man, was growing his own family and understood completely the challenges of being a parent and a good employee at the same time. I think he veiwed employees with children as being resourceful and good multi taskers. Turnover was very low at this bank because of the management skills Dan, the manager, practiced daily. Dan also showed up most days after lunch with baby spit up on his shoulder. I felt like we understood each other when it came to the work/life balance. Don't you understand? Babies are parasites and parents are walking liabilities for any employer! |
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Post by Shooby on Sept 24, 2016 9:45:20 GMT -5
I have always found that men are more understanding of these types of needs than are women. Odd isn't it? Women seem to be the biggest critics of other women. As for pumping, ask her what would be comfortable for her. I pumped in my car and also a private break room. Just work it out.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Sept 24, 2016 10:26:16 GMT -5
I'm alway happy that an employer is working with a nursing mom.
It may not last because pumping isn't much fun on a good day.
Personally, I ended up with a spare pump, from a cousin, for home and left my good one at work. And bought a crapton of spare pumping parts so I could leave as much as possible at work. But I also did baby dropoff and pickup and the chances of me forgetting stuff was high every day.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 24, 2016 10:51:20 GMT -5
She didn't get pregnant while on the job, she was pregnant already and didn't tell her future boss. Janee has been more than tolerant.
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Post by Shooby on Sept 24, 2016 15:22:06 GMT -5
Most people aren't going to be nursing for years. It really doesn't need to be a big deal unless someone choose to make it one.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 24, 2016 19:38:20 GMT -5
Most people aren't going to be nursing for years. It really doesn't need to be a big deal unless someone choose to make it one. I don't think that's the problem. I feel the problem is the lack of character. First she conceals something that could affect her employment, then she sends a link that has nothing to do with her rights, since she has none., but seems to think she does and Janee owes her something. |
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Post by cronewitch on Sept 25, 2016 4:27:52 GMT -5
I don't see a problem, most pregnant woman don't want to chance losing a job announcing before hiring, it would have been nice or her to announce but she might not have been able to afford the risk of losing an offer. Sending a link to me doesn't mean anything except she plans to talk about something. I send my ISO links without words just so I don't forget to tell him something like I sent him a burn ban notice, then forgot to tell him there was a burn ban. He loves fires so has one several nights a week. The future mother might have just been thinking she would want to pump and needed to ask if they had a space she could use not demanding rights.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 25, 2016 6:28:54 GMT -5
That's totally different and she could have simply asked as opposed to sending a link regarding her supposed "rights."' Damn straight about hiring someone pregnant. I wouldn't want to hire someone who was going to take a few months off within less than a year of being hired regardless of why.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Sept 25, 2016 7:24:57 GMT -5
That's totally different and she could have simply asked as opposed to sending a link regarding her supposed "rights."' Damn straight about hiring someone pregnant. I wouldn't want to hire someone who was going to take a few months off within less than a year of being hired regardless of why. It can be very hard to have the conversation with your employer about nursing/pumping. It makes people uncomfortable. The first time around I didn't say anything to my boss, just pulled a chair into the bathroom because it was our only private place. My boss was very conservative and I didn't know how to even start the conversation with him. About 6 months in with my first kid, I started pumping at my desk with a cover. I did the same with the second kid. Not ideal. My coworkers actually liked the louder pump because they knew not to bother me. The quieter one led to some awkward moments. On the announcing the perspective employee was pregnant, to me it sounds like Janee said it when she offered her the job. It doesn't sound like there was an opportunity for the employee to hear the job offer and say yes I'll take but BTW I'm pregnant. Just my take on the situation. |
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 25, 2016 8:22:09 GMT -5
Unless I'm mistaken Janee is also a woman. Having a male boss might make things more uncomfortable.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Sept 25, 2016 12:43:30 GMT -5
This is going to seem off topic, but who here thinks the employee should have disclosed her pregnancy to janee, rather than janee learning about it from social media?
I ask because I see a lot of people on the boards saying that a pregnant interviewee should not disclose a pregnancy, generally with the logic that "the company is going to do what's best for them you've got to do what's best for you", and quite frankly I see some of those same people here telling the business owner that no matter whether she is required to or not she should go above and beyond to do what's best for the employee. So, which is it? Everyone for themselves? Or everyone to accommodate one particular employee circumstance?
Now, I have to admit I am biased because from the few things that have been disclosed by janee, I'm actually not a fan of this employee. If you're going to withhold information from a potential employer, have the decency to assume they are not complete f'ing idiots and do something about your social media. And when you have a boss who is obviously as kind and accommodating as janee, don't be a dick and just send a link with the implication "here is what you HAVE to do for me". And if you're going to be a dick and send the link, get your facts right; because as it turns out, it is not what she has to do for you and that just makes you look dumb.
It just seems like having this conversation with janee in person (say earlier this week when janee was nice enough to have her over for lunch) would have been 1000 times more professional, courteous and respectful. Even better would have been having the conversation and offering a potential solution! I'm not saying janee shouldn't do what she can to accommodate, but I'm saying this particular employee's way of going about things would make a lot of bosses less inclined to go above and beyond. And the fact that she's in sales and lacks the people skills to have had that conversation is alarming.
I see no one saying that janee is required to help this employee. Can you please find some of these posts and quote them? What I DO see is people saying she should accommodate her if she can. And I recall the pregnancy disclosure conversation being about disclosing a pregnancy to a potential employer - not to a current one. So are we not reading anymore.... like is that a thing now? Cuz if we're gonna start taking like one post, twisting it, and creating our own conclusion based off an intentional misread, then I've got some truly golden posts just waiting to be typed out. Oh the irony of you asking if not reading is now a thing because I believe you completely misread the post you quoted..it said "whether or NOT you are required"... But in all seriousness and completely off topic, are you ok? I ask because you are posting nothing but bitchy comments lately and that isn't you. If some of the posters here did it I wouldn't blink an I but you have never. Even like that |
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Post by imawino on Sept 25, 2016 16:50:12 GMT -5
This is going to seem off topic, but who here thinks the employee should have disclosed her pregnancy to janee, rather than janee learning about it from social media?
I ask because I see a lot of people on the boards saying that a pregnant interviewee should not disclose a pregnancy, generally with the logic that "the company is going to do what's best for them you've got to do what's best for you", and quite frankly I see some of those same people here telling the business owner that no matter whether she is required to or not she should go above and beyond to do what's best for the employee. So, which is it? Everyone for themselves? Or everyone to accommodate one particular employee circumstance?
Now, I have to admit I am biased because from the few things that have been disclosed by janee, I'm actually not a fan of this employee. If you're going to withhold information from a potential employer, have the decency to assume they are not complete f'ing idiots and do something about your social media. And when you have a boss who is obviously as kind and accommodating as janee, don't be a dick and just send a link with the implication "here is what you HAVE to do for me". And if you're going to be a dick and send the link, get your facts right; because as it turns out, it is not what she has to do for you and that just makes you look dumb.
It just seems like having this conversation with janee in person (say earlier this week when janee was nice enough to have her over for lunch) would have been 1000 times more professional, courteous and respectful. Even better would have been having the conversation and offering a potential solution! I'm not saying janee shouldn't do what she can to accommodate, but I'm saying this particular employee's way of going about things would make a lot of bosses less inclined to go above and beyond. And the fact that she's in sales and lacks the people skills to have had that conversation is alarming.
I see no one saying that janee is required to help this employee. Awesome, because I didn't say they did. Can you please find some of these posts and quote them? Please find where i said they did, and quote that. What I DO see is people saying she should accommodate her if she can. And I recall the pregnancy disclosure conversation being about disclosing a pregnancy to a potential employer - not to a current one. Which is exactly what I was referring to, as this particular employee was pregnant when she interviewed, and janee was her potential employer. I even typed the words "potential employer" in my post that you just quoted to correct me and tell me that was about potential employers and not current ones. So are we not reading anymore.... like is that a thing now? It appears to be, at least from everything you have typed here. Cuz if we're gonna start taking like one post, twisting it, and creating our own conclusion based off an intentional misread, then I've got some truly golden posts just waiting to be typed out. I can't wait to see them! Although I think maybe I just have. |
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Post by MJ2.0 on Sept 26, 2016 8:23:44 GMT -5
I see no one saying that janee is required to help this employee. Can you please find some of these posts and quote them? What I DO see is people saying she should accommodate her if she can. And I recall the pregnancy disclosure conversation being about disclosing a pregnancy to a potential employer - not to a current one. So are we not reading anymore.... like is that a thing now? Cuz if we're gonna start taking like one post, twisting it, and creating our own conclusion based off an intentional misread, then I've got some truly golden posts just waiting to be typed out. Oh the irony of you asking if not reading is now a thing because I believe you completely misread the post you quoted..it said "whether or NOT you are required"... But in all seriousness and completely off topic, are you ok? I ask because you are posting nothing but bitchy comments lately and that isn't you. If some of the posters here did it I wouldn't blink an I but you have never. Even like that how many other bitchy comments did I post? I thought that one was the only one. And maybe I was just in a bad mood or something that day, but let's just say I saw a pattern of behavior on here that had always annoyed me and I only then decided to say something about it. That's pretty much it about that particular post. And maybe I hadn't read as well as I thought I did because I do see some mistakes/misreads. Sorry for not following my own advice and not reading well enough and accusing you of the same imawino. But I just get sick of the hugely hyperbolic posts sometimes. They come across as extremely patronizing, which I HATE. And I know I can't control what anyone posts on here or how they post - and I don't really want to because freedom. I just spoke up that one time. And yes, of course I am extremely stressed and tired, but that has nothing to do with any of you on here. FWIW, you all haven't seen a true flip-out from me... yet.  |
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Post by Miss Tequila on Sept 26, 2016 10:33:47 GMT -5
Oh the irony of you asking if not reading is now a thing because I believe you completely misread the post you quoted..it said "whether or NOT you are required"... But in all seriousness and completely off topic, are you ok? I ask because you are posting nothing but bitchy comments lately and that isn't you. If some of the posters here did it I wouldn't blink an I but you have never. Even like that how many other bitchy comments did I post? I thought that one was the only one. And maybe I was just in a bad mood or something that day, but let's just say I saw a pattern of behavior on here that had always annoyed me and I only then decided to say something about it. That's pretty much it about that particular post. And maybe I hadn't read as well as I thought I did because I do see some mistakes/misreads. Sorry for not following my own advice and not reading well enough and accusing you of the same imawino . But I just get sick of the hugely hyperbolic posts sometimes. They come across as extremely patronizing, which I HATE. And I know I can't control what anyone posts on here or how they post - and I don't really want to because freedom. I just spoke up that one time. And yes, of course I am extremely stressed and tired, but that has nothing to do with any of you on here. FWIW, you all haven't seen a true flip-out from me... yet. I've gotten to the point that I just ignore and have even hidden people who do nothing but post sarcastic/bitchy comments. I am ok with debating opposing views but I have seen a few posters who can't seem to do that without being sarcastic or bitchy and that gets old quickly (I can't help but imagine what they are like in real life!lol) You aren't normally like that so that's why I asked if everything was ok. |
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Post by janee on Sept 26, 2016 17:58:01 GMT -5
Here's the update:
Got an email today from my employee: There really isn't a place at our office to pump. Nothing there is private and it would definitely disturb (the other employee)
Actually, Janee, with my new expenses of healthcare and childcare, it would be so helpful if you'd be willing to let me continue working from home. The savings in fuel and time spent would be so valuable to me.
Is that a possibility? Then pumping wouldn't be an issue.
I responded: I'm at a show in Phoenix until Wednesday. I'm not sure working from home will work that well. Let's talk about it on Thursday or Friday.
The breastfeeding law doesn't pertain to us since we have less than 50 employees. I've brainstormed a little and talked to (the other employee) and think we have a potential solution.
Give me a call when you have a couple of free minutes either Thursday or Friday.
So I think this is about working from home. Since she's behind on sales, I think she will more productive at work.
Just to clear up the hiring question. I offered her the job and told her at the same time that I knew she was pregnant. She responded, I was going to tell you if you offered me the job. So she was acting ethically. I said that since I hoped for a long term working relationship I would view this as a short blip of time in the big picture. I did ask her that if she wasn't planning on coming back to not accept the position as it would put us too far behind in our expansion plans.
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Post by milee on Sept 26, 2016 18:07:48 GMT -5
Oh, man. This is going to be a tough one.
To your points, Janee, if she's already not very productive, it's reasonable to be concerned that she wouldn't be able to work at home and be more productive. I'd also worry about what the childcare situation was going to be if she's making client calls. Even if she has someone with her in the house to watch the baby (and as basic and reasonable as that sounds you'd be surprised how many people claim they can be just as productive at work while also watching their kid), if that's happening in the house, there could still be a lot of unprofessional noise in the background of client calls.
To be fair to her, though, I'm not especially modest and I'd be uncomfortable pumping in an office with just a curtain as a barrier. It would feel to me like I could be "exposed" accidentally plus I'd feel weird that there was a coworker (male or female, whether they minded or not) sitting on the other side of the curtain. I'd also feel really weird about the coworker being on the phone while the sounds of the pump were going in the background. It would just be awkward for me, so I understand her feeling uncomfy with that arrangement.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Sept 26, 2016 18:20:15 GMT -5
Here's the update:
Got an email today from my employee: There really isn't a place at our office to pump. Nothing there is private and it would definitely disturb (the other employee)
Actually, Janee, with my new expenses of healthcare and childcare, it would be so helpful if you'd be willing to let me continue working from home. The savings in fuel and time spent would be so valuable to me.
Is that a possibility? Then pumping wouldn't be an issue.
I responded: I'm at a show in Phoenix until Wednesday. I'm not sure working from home will work that well. Let's talk about it on Thursday or Friday.
The breastfeeding law doesn't pertain to us since we have less than 50 employees. I've brainstormed a little and talked to (the other employee) and think we have a potential solution.
Give me a call when you have a couple of free minutes either Thursday or Friday.
So I think this is about working from home. Since she's behind on sales, I think she will more productive at work.
Just to clear up the hiring question. I offered her the job and told her at the same time that I knew she was pregnant. She responded, I was going to tell you if you offered me the job. So she was acting ethically. I said that since I hoped for a long term working relationship I would view this as a short blip of time in the big picture. I did ask her that if she wasn't planning on coming back to not accept the position as it would put us too far behind in our expansion plans.
I'm reading that as "savings on childcare"....
Full disclosure, I worked from home when my oldest was born. I had resigned and my firm wanted me to stay so they gave me a part-time, flex-time, work from home when you don't have to be at a client gig...it was sweet! But I had also been there for several years and was a stellar performer. This is an employee who is not performing at the level she should be and now wants to work from home with the distraction of a baby? I totally understand her desire but I wouldn't allow it.
ETA: I also need to disclose that I don't think the employee is honorable because to me accepting a job when you are pregnant without disclosing it is not very ethical. Don't care who agrees with me. I am biased against anyone who would do that to me and I would hold it against them in the future. So my answer above might be biased.
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Post by milee on Sept 26, 2016 18:29:45 GMT -5
What exactly does her job entail? Is it all by phone or does she need to visit clients? Does she interact closely with the other company employees? Does she generate her own leads and is any of that through cold calling?
I'm trying to get a better idea of if/how a work at home set up could work. I had an employee that did that once and it worked because she had already demonstrated her skills so I knew what she could do. We set up criteria that could be quickly and easily monitored - # calls per day, $ sales per week, $ shipped per week, etc. - so it was easy to see if she was keeping up the performance. She didn't need to interact with any of the other employees nor did she need to visit clients. It worked fine.
Would any of that even work in this situation? Think it through before you talk to the employee so you know what the potential issues are or what the set up could or couldn't be.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Sept 26, 2016 18:37:29 GMT -5
What exactly does her job entail? Is it all by phone or does she need to visit clients? Does she interact closely with the other company employees? Does she generate her own leads and is any of that through cold calling? I'm trying to get a better idea of if/how a work at home set up could work. I had an employee that did that once and it worked because she had already demonstrated her skills so I knew what she could do. We set up criteria that could be quickly and easily monitored - # calls per day, $ sales per week, $ shipped per week, etc. - so it was easy to see if she was keeping up the performance. She didn't need to interact with any of the other employees nor did she need to visit clients. It worked fine. Would any of that even work in this situation? Think it through before you talk to the employee so you know what the potential issues are or what the set up could or couldn't be. But isn't that the difference? From what Janee writes, this employee is below par. Not an ideal candidate for a work-at-home stint |
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Post by milee on Sept 26, 2016 19:07:43 GMT -5
What exactly does her job entail? Is it all by phone or does she need to visit clients? Does she interact closely with the other company employees? Does she generate her own leads and is any of that through cold calling? I'm trying to get a better idea of if/how a work at home set up could work. I had an employee that did that once and it worked because she had already demonstrated her skills so I knew what she could do. We set up criteria that could be quickly and easily monitored - # calls per day, $ sales per week, $ shipped per week, etc. - so it was easy to see if she was keeping up the performance. She didn't need to interact with any of the other employees nor did she need to visit clients. It worked fine. Would any of that even work in this situation? Think it through before you talk to the employee so you know what the potential issues are or what the set up could or couldn't be. But isn't that the difference? From what Janee writes, this employee is below par. Not an ideal candidate for a work-at-home stint I get that and understand it's reasonable to be hesitant. Before I decided, I'd want to understand a little more about what was going on. I believe Janee said the employee was behind on sales; why is she behind? Does she not do enough cold calling, does she not do timely follow up contact, does she not give good customer service, is she not able to grow existing accounts? Different issues that might require different set up and/or managing. If it's just a matter of the employee not making enough calls, for example, maybe this is an opportunity to both get the employee to understand what the expectations are, get a measurement system going and start both the boss and employee watching the # of calls. That could be a win/win if the employee gets motivated by understanding unless she does X, she can't stay home. Or it could be a way for this to get worse if it's a complicated problem or multiple issues that aren't easily monitored. Don't know. That's why it might be worth figuring out. Heck, Janee's going to want a solid plan in place with this employee no matter where she's working. Maybe when the plan becomes clear, that's a good time to see if/how that fits with working at home. |
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Post by NastyWoman on Sept 26, 2016 19:28:40 GMT -5
Now we have the real reason why employee sent the original email in the first place. It never was about accomodating pumping; it was to set the stage to working from home! Along the lines of "the law says you have to make accomodations for me and here I am being all reasonable and offering you a no-cost-no-hassle solution. Am I not a I nice employee?"
I have no recommendations about what to do with this janee but I think you need to keep this manipulation in mind when making your decision.
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Post by justme on Sept 26, 2016 22:05:22 GMT -5
Here's the big question - are sales to other businesses that tend to work business hours? If there's a small window (8 hours is small with an infant) to do her work, working from home without childcare is not possible. And she's wanting to not pay for childcare, that's in the email.
My job? Aside from the occasional meeting, most of my work, well over half probably over 75%, is either working by myself or email. And most of the meetings could be resolved by a web meeting. I could do pretty well with working at home with an infant with minimal outside care, assuming easy baby. Sales? I don't see how sales could without someone in house watching baby while she works.
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Post by giramomma on Sept 26, 2016 23:13:23 GMT -5
Here's the update:
Got an email today from my employee: There really isn't a place at our office to pump. Nothing there is private and it would definitely disturb (the other employee)
Actually, Janee, with my new expenses of healthcare and childcare, it would be so helpful if you'd be willing to let me continue working from home. The savings in fuel and time spent would be so valuable to me.
Is that a possibility? Then pumping wouldn't be an issue.
I responded: I'm at a show in Phoenix until Wednesday. I'm not sure working from home will work that well. Let's talk about it on Thursday or Friday.
The breastfeeding law doesn't pertain to us since we have less than 50 employees. I've brainstormed a little and talked to (the other employee) and think we have a potential solution.
Give me a call when you have a couple of free minutes either Thursday or Friday.
So I think this is about working from home. Since she's behind on sales, I think she will more productive at work. OK. Is your employee working at home a little bit now? Because it doesn't make sense for her to ask if you'll let her continue working from home. What were the terms of her working from home originally? How have you communicated that she's behind, not performing? What's her plan to address it? I've also moved into the she's got some testicular fortitude camp. I didn't ask to work from home one day a week until I had been at my job for 5 years. I laid out a plan of when I would work. My boss had no problems. |
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Sept 26, 2016 23:22:29 GMT -5
Here's the update:
Got an email today from my employee: There really isn't a place at our office to pump. Nothing there is private and it would definitely disturb (the other employee)
Actually, Janee, with my new expenses of healthcare and childcare, it would be so helpful if you'd be willing to let me continue working from home. The savings in fuel and time spent would be so valuable to me.
Is that a possibility? Then pumping wouldn't be an issue.
I responded: I'm at a show in Phoenix until Wednesday. I'm not sure working from home will work that well. Let's talk about it on Thursday or Friday.
The breastfeeding law doesn't pertain to us since we have less than 50 employees. I've brainstormed a little and talked to (the other employee) and think we have a potential solution.
Give me a call when you have a couple of free minutes either Thursday or Friday.
So I think this is about working from home. Since she's behind on sales, I think she will more productive at work. OK. Is your employee working at home a little bit now? Because it doesn't make sense for her to ask if you'll let her continue working from home. What were the terms of her working from home originally? How have you communicated that she's behind, not performing? What's her plan to address it? I've also moved into the she's got some testicular fortitude camp. I didn't ask to work from home one day a week until I had been at my job for 5 years. I laid out a plan of when I would work. My boss had no problems. Wait, does that mean you agree with me that she is not as innocent as you thought?  |
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Sept 26, 2016 23:28:19 GMT -5
So, unlike milee I've never owned a business and unlike Miss Tequila I've never managed a large department and such, but there is not a single thing about this employee that would make me want have her as an employee. I don't buy the "exhausted, sleep deprived mom" excuse. This woman knew what the office looked liked before she had a kid, so the "lack of privacy" is not news to her. She sounds demanding, immature and manipulative. Good luck, janee - I mean it! |
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Post by giramomma on Sept 26, 2016 23:39:00 GMT -5
OK. Is your employee working at home a little bit now? Because it doesn't make sense for her to ask if you'll let her continue working from home. What were the terms of her working from home originally? How have you communicated that she's behind, not performing? What's her plan to address it? I've also moved into the she's got some testicular fortitude camp. I didn't ask to work from home one day a week until I had been at my job for 5 years. I laid out a plan of when I would work. My boss had no problems. Wait, does that mean you agree with me that she is not as innocent as you thought? Yes..perhaps.. I think depending on how things were discussed, there's lots of opportunity for very hurt feelings and misunderstandings. |
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Post by muttleynfelix on Sept 27, 2016 10:00:16 GMT -5
If you went with the work from home, I would want proof she still had childcare and was utilizing it.
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Post by movingforward on Sept 27, 2016 10:21:40 GMT -5
The initial email was a big red flag to me. Now we see that her motive behind it was to work from home. She isn't a stellar employee to begin with. I think I must just be a huge bitch because I would do what I could to accommodate her and it is up to her as to whether she can deal with it or not...If she wants to collect a paycheck then she will get her ass back into the office.
There was no "pregnancy brain" regarding the email she sent. It was a thought out and manipulative idea in hopes to get to work from home.
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