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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 12:47:30 GMT -5
The commute will seem a lot worse once babybird gets older and has activities. Right now you might be content to be at home all the time when not at work and I am too. I WISH I could stay home, but older son has stuff all the time and I'm not one that pushes activities. He's in almost nothing but Scouts and swimming. With both kids I sometimes am making 2-3 trips a day to town. My commute isn't bad. 15-20 minutes maybe, but I'm already finding myself browsing Craigslist for cars for my 14 year old in anticipation of him getting his license!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 12:59:13 GMT -5
Commutes can change, but location can't. I am 100% a live where you play type of person. I need to be close to the things I want to do after work. Isn't a huge part of the reason you moved there because of all the stuff there is to do there? Stuff that wouldn't be inside your house? Might make more sense to live closer to the stuff you want to do so you don't have to worry as much about the place you sleep cuz you won't be there as much. This. And what Shane said. When people come to my house, the few times a year I can intice them, I feel I need to make it spectacular to make it worth their while. And the kids having friends over... I'm sitting outside the mall now, probably for 4 hours, because I'm coordinating drop returns and girls wanted to shop. After all other parents did most of driving yesterday and no way am I going to make them do so again, or kids just wouldn't come see us as frequently, which is what happens eventually when you live where you don't play. It's ok for extreme introverts when kids are rather young, but gets worse as they grow. Even now with a teen driving isn't all that better because I have to worry about him making long round trips. And the time I spend waiting, and $ I spend grabbing something out in between... Again, the house doesn't matter so much if you are never there. At least with me homeschooling we have had full days and chunks of days where we are at home. I know it's because I'm years down the road from you, and exhausted at the moment, but to commit to that basically every single day would be a hell no for me at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 13:08:01 GMT -5
And just after I wrote the last post I realized I forgot DS's lesson book at home and I'm going to have to make a special trip for a $6 freaking book.
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Post by souldoubt on Aug 18, 2016 13:14:35 GMT -5
As far as counting on being able to stay at your parents house supposing you bought in Sunriver you have to consider the possibility that their situation could change at some point and you don't have a place to stay in Bend. When my family first moved to Bend in the 90's it started with 1 family and a few years later there were 5 more living there. Last I heard there were 3 still living there and those that left did so for different reasons. I'm not saying that's the norm but 2 of the families that left were grandparents in their 60's and they left for health and lifestyle reasons. Obviously you gotta do what's best for you and if you want to buy and are in a position to do so maybe Sunriver makes the most sense but I definitely agree with the live where you play mantra. If the population in Bend and surrounding areas continues to grow commutes are only going to get worse. Especially when those pesky Californians move up there because most can't even handle a little rain when driving.
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Post by emma1420 on Aug 18, 2016 13:14:39 GMT -5
I totally remember your commute dilemma and how you solved it, Shane. Trust me, I have no illusions about the reality of long commutes. There's indisputably a limit to what I'd find reasonable/sustainable. I remember well how happy I was when I went to a 1.5 hour commute to a 15 minute one. My quality of life changed dramatically. So I'm certainly not willing to go back to anything over an hour - actually, 45 minutes would be seriously pushing it, especially since it's a driving commute. But right now I've got a 25 minute commute and I don't mind at all. I find it kind of enjoyable, actually. (It helps that I've become a huge fan of audio books in recent years.) I'm actually surprised at how little I mind, given how excited I was to be in a place where you can get almost anywhere in 15 minutes. There's zero traffic on my drive; that's a HUGE factor in my not minding it. My commute wouldn't change if we lived in Redmond, it's about the same distance. But I have no idea where DH will be working so this is really all academic right now anyway. We could easily end up with a situation where one of us will be stuck with a long commute and the other isn't no matter what we do. But we spend a lot of time at home so yes, the actual house matters quite a bit to me. As for socializing, etc. in Bend, I don't discount that factor but again, if we're already working there then it's easy enough to go to some evening event or class after work. We wouldn't even need to go home in the meantime, necessarily. Again: I'd prefer Bend but I really doubt we can find an acceptable house here for less than 275 at least. Whether we can afford that will depend heavily on how much I'm making after my 90 days and how much DH makes once he finds a job. I would suggest you start looking at open houses in your area now. Try and get educated about how much money you have to spend to get the types of finishes and/or land that you want. Realtor.com, Refin.com, etc. are great, but often their photos are misleading. At least that way you can figure out if what you feel is acceptable is available in your price point, and what sorts of compromises you will make. I suggest this just because I think there are often deal breaker in theory that aren't in reality after you've been looking for awhile, and sometimes there are things you thought you could compromise on that end up being deal breakers. It's better to get that figured out before you start looking seriously. I wasted a bunch of time believing that I would be happy with a dated fixer, but wouldn't be able to compromise on the yard or layout. But, I ended up making almost the exact opposite compromises. I bought a house that was move in ready and updated, but didn't have the yard I wanted or the layout I was hoping for (the yard and layout are okay, just not really what I wanted), because I discovered that I truly couldn't deal with the costs and work involved with a fixer.
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Post by Firebird on Aug 18, 2016 13:43:52 GMT -5
The last open house I attended featured a Harry Potter style closet under the stairs with almost 4' clearance. It would have been the absolute perfect playroom/nook for Babybird. I would have loved a little space like that as a kid. Needless to say, we had to drag her out of there when it was time to go
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Post by muttleynfelix on Aug 18, 2016 14:27:07 GMT -5
The commute will seem a lot worse once babybird gets older and has activities. Right now you might be content to be at home all the time when not at work and I am too. I WISH I could stay home, but older son has stuff all the time and I'm not one that pushes activities. He's in almost nothing but Scouts and swimming. With both kids I sometimes am making 2-3 trips a day to town. My commute isn't bad. 15-20 minutes maybe, but I'm already finding myself browsing Craigslist for cars for my 14 year old in anticipation of him getting his license! This is why I wanted to live in town this time. Seriously change in our quality of life. 5 minutes to a grocery store vs 20 min it frees up so much time on the weekends. It gives us extra time to play at the park (we can walk to the park). DH would love to live in the country again, but it isn't going to happen in the next 15 years.
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Post by Works4me on Aug 18, 2016 15:27:27 GMT -5
I caution you against expecting too much of a raise at your 90 day review. From you point if view the pay is low but it is not from theirs. Also, $5 per hour is a 20% raise and from their point of view that would probably require some years of experience combined with a major promotion. On the other hand, you will probably see about $1 per hour which is a more realistic 5%.
As far as housing goes, I would lean toward Bend because once BabyBird is in school you are looking at things like birthday parties, sports, clubs, groups, lessons, etc - plus over time, I can see you wanting to be in your own home as much as possible and growing tired of constant pit stops at your parents place. Also, nhave found that I love living "in town" and have watched one BFF spend all of her time on the road while the other has to deal with the isolation of living in a more affordable bedroom community.
Another thing I wonder about is the real cost of q commute - right now gas prices are artificially low, IMHO. There are also issues of maintenance, wear and tear, vehicle replacement, traffic and even more accidents. Combine the fatigue factor and whiney child/ren with grabbing fast food on the way and the need for extreme organization so things are not left behind ... I think you could certainly afford Bend at your salaries. Also, I think the time to go rafting, or engage in other activities, after work is important for the adults.
I can find no way to say this nicely but imthinkmyou need to take a long hard look at the very real disappointments you may be experiencing. I wonder if you had some unrealistic expectations when you moved to OR. For example, I am sure you expected a salary cut but did you expect to take a 50% salary cut? Housing is more affordable there, but did you maybe expect it to be much more affordable? Did you allow for time to find and settle into good employment situations it did you expect the transition to be less of an upheaval?
The huge windfall of money plus an inheritance can seem like a lot of money but after taxes and unexpected expenses, it really does not go as far as one would expect. Frankly, I am surprised and positively impressed that you have $15,000 left after a year, especially considering that your job hunt has been both challenging and lengthy.
From my own experience, I know that when I add up my total net worth, expected income and anticipated expenses, it looks good, great even. But when I am living through it, I really do,often feel broke on a day to day basis because I cannot have everything I want all of the time. I stil have to plan and compromise with what I want against what I need and what I can settle for. IMHO, no one can Ver afford everything they wand and to one degree or another, everyone is always broke because even with a fully realized financial portfolio, there is never that huge of money left over for that dream trip, house, car, whatever it is one fancies.
Anyway, I wonder if part of what you are feeling is disappointment, even anger and some depression, that although your dream has come true and you are now living in the PNW, it's not as you envisioned it would be. People dismiss a lot of these issues as "first world problems" but I find that to be unkind and even cruel. Just because my problems are not survival based does not make the insignificant or unimportant. In my life experience, the life satisfaction issues can be far more difficult to resolve in satisfactory and long lasting ways.
FYI - at 54 and in early retirement due to lupus, reading and thinking about you an d your issues, helps me to clarify where I am at and what I need to do. Firebird, you for taking the risk to this to open this topic.
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Post by Firebird on Aug 18, 2016 15:56:50 GMT -5
Excellent thoughts, Sarah. For what it's worth, I took this job with the very clear acknowledgment that I would be negotiating at 90 days. 20 is the minimum we agreed to at that point, but I made it super clear on my side that I would be using my knowledge of the job plus my contributions during that time to determine how much of an increase would be warranted and might well ask for more than 20. They got me at 17 for the first 90 days, but it works in my favor too - now that I'm intimately familiar with the job, I know exactly how much it's worth.
There's some back story here about the company itself, but I'm definitely guaranteed at least 20 and I'm going to push hard for more than that.
Excellent point about my expectations. I readily admit that I never expected to be making $40k again in my life, ever, regardless of area. That was a major eye opener. Usually people's salaries go UP as they get older, not down!
The good news is that I am in a fairly well paid profession. I'm still pretty new to it, that's all. Five or six years down the line, I should be back to $70-80k levels, if not higher. And if I'm not making that here by then, I'd definitely be looking to move on.
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Post by Works4me on Aug 18, 2016 16:19:36 GMT -5
Devils Advocate here - for them to go from $17 to $20 is already a major jump in their mind and I cannot see them going further than another dollar or two. The other thing to be careful of is not to negotiate to the point where they are disappointed that you were unable to meet unrealistic expectations at your next review. You don't want to,set yourself up to fail simply by being a normally imperfect human being. Also there is the fact that even with 90 days in, it is still a new career area for you. I speak from experience here as I have seen and done both - yet I have it never seen it turn out well. IMHO, the time to focus on major raises would be at promotion time in 1-2 years. In a smaller job pool, you need to plan mite strategically for the long run because there are fewer jobs and people tend to change jobs far less often. In the Bay Area 2 years can be seen as an impressive tenure while in a smaller community it can be seen as just having settled in.
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Post by Firebird on Aug 18, 2016 16:29:31 GMT -5
The way I see it, I didn't agree to 17. I agreed to 20, and the role has changed quite a bit since I started based on my qualifications. It's a different job now than when I applied (not uncommon in a small company) which changes the game somewhat.
I get what you're saying and it's not like I'm going to storm out if they only go up to 20. But at some point, my comp will need to be reevaluated in a big way for me to stay as long as I'd like with this company. I love everything else about it but 20 is totally unrealistic long term, not because of my salary needs but because it's out of line with market salary for this role.
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Post by emma1420 on Aug 18, 2016 16:41:44 GMT -5
Devils Advocate here - for them to go from $17 to $20 is already a major jump in their mind and I cannot see them going further than another dollar or two. The other thing to be careful of is not to negotiate to the point where they are disappointed that you were unable to meet unrealistic expectations at your next review. You don't want to,set yourself up to fail simply by being a normally imperfect human being. Also there is the fact that even with 90 days in, it is still a new career area for you. I speak from experience here as I have seen and done both - yet I have it never seen it turn out well. IMHO, the time to focus on major raises would be at promotion time in 1-2 years. In a smaller job pool, you need to plan mite strategically for the long run because there are fewer jobs and people tend to change jobs far less often. In the Bay Area 2 years can be seen as an impressive tenure while in a smaller community it can be seen as just having settled in. I agree with a lot of this. I know some places regularly do give their employees big raises, but every place I've worked for and the experience I've had with friends and colleagues it's highly unusual to get a raise over 5% without any sort of promotion. So while I'd think it's great that you want to push for more, keep in mind that the company may feel that much over $20 an hour is going to be a very big ask. In terms of your long-term salary growth, are there other companies in Bend that would hire you in the future? Most people seem to increase their earnings the most when they change employers. Most people have the largest salary increases when they change employers and/or get promotions. I started in my current job at around the 40K mark. I now make about 50% more than when I started. But, it's taken 10 years. And I know at this point the only way to substantially increase my income is to jump ship to a competitor (which would mean relocation for me).
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Post by Firebird on Aug 18, 2016 16:54:47 GMT -5
I agree with you guys. In general, you don't negotiate salary after you've started and you shouldn't expect ginormous raises at any point unless there's a promotion involved.
This is a bit of an exception because we explicitly agreed to negotiate at 90 days and we agreed to a minimum of 20 at that point, if not more. The 90 day delay was to help everyone get clarity on exactly what my role would be.
I wouldn't ordinarily be planning to ask for a 17%+ raise (or any raise at all) after 90 days. Normally I negotiate salary before starting, like everyone else. In this instance I agreed to handle it differently because I decided I could make it work to my benefit.
This is an unusual situation to which I agreed only after a lot of thought and with my eyes wide open. The minimum guaranteed increase is in writing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 17:20:39 GMT -5
The way I see it, I didn't agree to 17. I agreed to 20, and the role has changed quite a bit since I started based on my qualifications. It's a different job now than when I applied (not uncommon in a small company) which changes the game somewhat. I get what you're saying and it's not like I'm going to storm out if they only go up to 20. But at some point, my comp will need to be reevaluated in a big way for me to stay as long as I'd like with this company. I love everything else about it but 20 is totally unrealistic long term, not because of my salary needs but because it's out of line with market salary for this role. 20 is unrealistic for you to live on as you would like. The real question is though, is it realistic for them to pay someone to do the job in that area. I do hope you can define yourself as indispensable and command the pay you desire. But desiring it is not enough. It will depend on what they could realistically get someone to do the job for...
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Post by Firebird on Aug 18, 2016 17:30:22 GMT -5
Yes, it's realistic. According to my research and conversations with recruiters, the job that I'm now doing (which again is different from the job I interviewed for) is typically in the $40-70k range in Bend.
I'm not expecting to be at the high end of that right out of the gate, but I don't want to start at the very bottom either.
My financial situation has nothing to do with this. The job I initially interviewed for WAS more of a $17-20/hr job. Had it stayed that job, I wouldn't consider pressing for more than 20. That would be excellent pay for the original role.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 17:34:02 GMT -5
So $20 per hour is within the range for Bend. Does that range include benefits? Do you get any?
Also, are there a lot of this type position in bend?
I feel like it sounds like you are getting harsh answers, but that's not the intent. You are coming off a little carlish...
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Post by toomuchreality on Aug 18, 2016 17:39:58 GMT -5
Good to see you FB. I'm glad you are getting things worked out, for what works for you. It's good to see you again!
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Post by emma1420 on Aug 18, 2016 17:42:12 GMT -5
Yes, it's realistic. According to my research and conversations with recruiters, the job that I'm now doing (which again is different from the job I interviewed for) is typically in the $40-70k range in Bend. I'm not expecting to be at the high end of that right out of the gate, but I don't want to start at the very bottom either. My financial situation has nothing to do with this. The job I initially interviewed for WAS more of a $17-20/hr job. Had it stayed that job, I wouldn't consider pressing for more than 20. That would be excellent pay for the original role. Does your employer concur with the fact that the job you are doing is not the one that they hired for? If they do that's great. I have seen more than one case though where an employer felt that the position was lower level than it was, and paid the lower range (which is also why they had tons of turnover). I guess I would encourage you to temper your expectations a little. I'm not sure of your industry, but I know in mine and several others that there is a misconception that anyone can do the job and that it doesn't require specialized training.
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Post by Firebird on Aug 18, 2016 17:59:38 GMT -5
So $20 per hour is within the range for Bend. Does that range include benefits? Do you get any? Also, are there a lot of this type position in bend? I feel like it sounds like you are getting harsh answers, but that's not the intent. You are coming off a little carlish... Carlish? I'm not sure what that means? I'm not trying to come across any particular way, just explaining a somewhat complicated situation. Yes, 20 is in the range for this position. But it's the lowest end, and I'm not entry level. A few years of experience should put one just a bit above the low end of the range. That being said, I'll accept 20 for awhile if I have to, since it does come with benefits. But assuming the job continues increasing in responsibility, etc... yeah, I expect it to go up. I don't think you guys are being harsh, I think you're trying to help me be realistic. We'll have to wait and see how the conversation goes but I think I am being realistic, given that we agreed to negotiate and I was very upfront that 20 was my minimum at that point. The job changes since then bring it in line with a role that's worth more than 20.
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Post by suesinfl on Aug 18, 2016 18:11:39 GMT -5
The way I see it, I didn't agree to 17. I agreed to 20, and the role has changed quite a bit since I started based on my qualifications. It's a different job now than when I applied (not uncommon in a small company) which changes the game somewhat. I get what you're saying and it's not like I'm going to storm out if they only go up to 20. But at some point, my comp will need to be reevaluated in a big way for me to stay as long as I'd like with this company. I love everything else about it but 20 is totally unrealistic long term, not because of my salary needs but because it's out of line with market salary for this role. Bolded: what market are you comparing it to? NYC, CA or small town USA? Not being a downer, but my new position/duties/responsibilities differ in salary depending on location. If I moved to a HCOLA, I would be paid more, but expenses would be more, so it would be a wash, unless there are other options for advancement. Just something to think about. Best of luck to your family. I believe that you are really thinking this through and will make the decision that best suits your family.
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Post by Firebird on Aug 18, 2016 18:43:16 GMT -5
I'm comparing it to market salary for the area I was making $42/hr for a similar role with way less responsibility/experience in SF. And that was very much entry level pay. It wasn't uncommon for the more senior folks in the role to make $100-200k, sometimes even more. So I'm definitely not going by HCOL standards when working out what this role is worth here. What I made in SF would be the really high, 10-15 years of experience rate here. Again - I'm prepared to accept 20 for now. But I would be mad at myself if I didn't even attempt to negotiate for more. I'm keeping careful track of my accomplishments as I carve out the role. My boss might say no to more money, but I intend to make it as easy as possible for him to say yes.
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Hi FB nice to see you, again. I'm trying to understand and follow along because if I understand your employment situation correctly.....your employer is getting one heck of a DEAL! You say that you initially interviewed for one position, yet that you are doing completely different duties, which sounds from your description are that of a higher skillset? If the job you do qualifies @ a range of 40-70k/yr. and you have a few years experience AND are excelling @ the position....why on Earth will you accept $20/hr; 40k/yr. which is the low end of the job you are currently responsible for? Could this employer have been a little (or a lot) deceptive in what was advertised as to the position desired along w/salary offered only to get a person (like you..ethically and morally of good standing) to accept what I consider to be a fraudulent hiring practice? If you are indeed performing a job that is different than the one you agreed to initially, forget the $3/hr. raise @ 90 days as it's irrelevent. Tell them that you are willing to continue doing the tasks of the position you've ACTUALLY been doing, but that that salary range for "this" position is higher and you'd be willing to accept 55k/yr. (split the delta) otherwise you will be looking elsewhere. Do not let fear underscore your talents. You are worth (at least) the delta doing the job successfully/have experience. Cheerfully, confidently express that, with a smile of course. Good Luck! Go get em! Forgive me if I'm waaaaay off....it's been known to happen!
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Post by emma1420 on Aug 18, 2016 19:37:33 GMT -5
Hi FB nice to see you, again. I'm trying to understand and follow along because if I understand your employment situation correctly.....your employer is getting one heck of a DEAL! You say that you initially interviewed for one position, yet that you are doing completely different duties, which sounds from your description are that of a higher skillset? If the job you do qualifies @ a range of 40-70k/yr. and you have a few years experience AND are excelling @ the position....why on Earth will you accept $20/hr; 40k/yr. which is the low end of the job you are currently responsible for? Could this employer have been a little (or a lot) deceptive in what was advertised as to the position desired along w/salary offered only to get a person (like you..ethically and morally of good standing) to accept what I consider to be a fraudulent hiring practice? If you are indeed performing a job that is different than the one you agreed to initially, forget the $3/hr. raise @ 90 days as it's irrelevent. Tell them that you are willing to continue doing the tasks of the position you've ACTUALLY been doing, but that that salary range for "this" position is higher and you'd be willing to accept 55k/yr. (split the delta) otherwise you will be looking elsewhere. Do not let fear underscore your talents. You are worth (at least) the delta doing the job successfully/have experience. Cheerfully, confidently express that, with a smile of course. Good Luck! Go get em! Forgive me if I'm waaaaay off....it's been known to happen! I would agree with this advice if you don't need the job or you could walk out the door and find another job paying the appropriate market rate the next day. However, when you don't have that luxury I feel you have to tread more carefully. It's not that you can't try and negotiate for more, but that you have to be willing to accept less, and be willing to accept that your employer doesn't value your skills as much as you believe they should. Given that FB has had a rocky year employment wise, it might be smarter to be less aggressive when negotiating. Then she has a few years of steady employment with a lot of great things to add her to resume, and she has time to network for other more lucrative employment opportunities. I don't think you undersell yourself, but I do think you do have to weigh how much you need your job and what the ramifications of being too aggressive when negotiating.
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Post by Works4me on Aug 18, 2016 19:50:36 GMT -5
I agree that as satisfying as it would be to do as Shabbona suggests, it would not be productive in a place like Bend. Due to the specific demographics of the community, their labor market will always pay less than other places. Specifically, it is very desirable place where a lot of people want to live. There are a lot of retirees plus a state college and a community college. This leads to a workforce that is dependable, experienced and educated, often really just working for a few more social security quarters or to supplement their education. Also, most likely it is a tight community among those doing the hiring, possibly a more liberal form of "an old boys network." Places like this are brutal if you are seen as burning bridges. They can also be resistant to smart, motivated career women. YMMV.
One other consideration - what happened to the original job you were hired to do? Is someone else doing it, are you doing it or is it being left undone?
Firebird - I wanted to add that I know that you will succeed. It will probably take longer and be harder than you thought but you can and will do this.
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Post by Firebird on Aug 18, 2016 20:05:58 GMT -5
Emma hit the nail on the head. It wasn't easy to find this job, especially with my revised standards (I don't put up with bullshit anymore, broadly put, and I need to fit in with the culture and I need room for growth and creativity, all of which I have here already - hopefully that continues). I fully realize that it's not easy to find a job like this. So while I intend to get results that suit both of us, yeah, to some extent I'm doing that "his way."
But! Do I think my employer was being deceptive about the job? Absolutely not. It's a young, fast growing company. He's facing some fairly common management challenges that happen when you grow really fast. I'm not trying to brag, but the job description changed because of me, and what I bring to the table. He told me that himself, more than once. Now all we have to do is make sure my compensation makes sense for the job I *am* doing.
It's a balancing act but being respectful and realistic and everything definitely does not mean that you never advocate for yourself. I'd actually argue that the opposite is true. If I didn't even try to honestly assess the value of the role I'm performing now, and ask for fair compensation, I would be doing him no favors. He won't grow the company the way he wants unless he compensates people appropriately.
I'm not sure I'm explaining this well. There's a lot of extra context that I'm not explaining here, and I think it might be causing some of this to come across wrong.
But I think all the posts on this have made good points. We'll have to see how it plays out.
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honeysalt
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Post by honeysalt on Aug 18, 2016 20:19:48 GMT -5
Having worked for startups, I get where you are coming from. Small, growing companies often have needs for high paying skill sets, but they don't necessarily have the need (or budget) for a full time person with a high paying skill set. So, if someone can come in and do some hours of a lower paying skill set, and can also do some hours of a couple of other high paying skill sets, the job and pay can change pretty quickly.
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Works4me
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Someone responded to your personal ad - a German Shepherd named Tara wants to have you for dinner...
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Post by Works4me on Aug 18, 2016 20:35:09 GMT -5
Emma hit the nail on the head. It wasn't easy to find this job, especially with my revised standards (I don't put up with bullshit anymore, broadly put, and I need to fit in with the culture and I need room for growth and creativity, all of which I have here already - hopefully that continues). I fully realize that it's not easy to find a job like this. So while I intend to get results that suit both of us, yeah, to some extent I'm doing that "his way." But! Do I think my employer was being deceptive about the job? Absolutely not. It's a young, fast growing company. He's facing some fairly common management challenges that happen when you grow really fast. I'm not trying to brag, but the job description changed because of me, and what I bring to the table. He told me that himself, more than once. Now all we have to do is make sure my compensation makes sense for the job I *am* doing. It's a balancing act but being respectful and realistic and everything definitely does not mean that you never advocate for yourself. I'd actually argue that the opposite is true. If I didn't even try to honestly assess the value of the role I'm performing now, and ask for fair compensation, I would be doing him no favors. He won't grow the company the way he wants unless he compensates people appropriately. I'm not sure I'm explaining this well. There's a lot of extra context that I'm not explaining here, and I think it might be causing some of this to come across wrong. But I think all the posts on this have made good points. We'll have to see how it plays out. Very well formulated and extremely well expressed. I have done some reading on Bend and it may be an area I/we need to explore. It is so similar to SLO. Did you see this house that Emma1420 posted at the top of Page 7? I really like it - I would just adjust the closets a bit - oh CF, I've found a house I want. LOL. www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/21130-Thomas-Dr_Bend_OR_97702_M11409-72692
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Post by Firebird on Aug 18, 2016 20:43:52 GMT -5
It's lovely! I'm officially putting you guys on job hunting detail for me Wish list: 3-4 bedrooms, high ceilings in the living space, tiny bit of land, not ridiculously dated, good layout (open preferred). I think that's it.
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emma1420
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Post by emma1420 on Aug 18, 2016 20:45:27 GMT -5
It's lovely! I'm officially putting you guys on job hunting detail for me Wish list: 3-4 bedrooms, high ceilings in the living space, tiny bit of land, not ridiculously dated, good layout (open preferred). I think that's it. Challenge accepted...and sadly I love looking so much (when not under the stress of having to buy myself) that I'm serious about that.
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Firebird
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Post by Firebird on Aug 18, 2016 20:51:01 GMT -5
It's lovely! I'm officially putting you guys on job hunting detail for me Wish list: 3-4 bedrooms, high ceilings in the living space, tiny bit of land, not ridiculously dated, good layout (open preferred). I think that's it. Challenge accepted...and sadly I love looking so much (when not under the stress of having to buy myself) that I'm serious about that. Honey, if you find a good house in my price range I will ask you to marry me. DH won't mind and I'm told Babybird is very cute
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