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Post by Firebird on Aug 16, 2016 19:26:29 GMT -5
BRB... going to go rafting down the Deschutes River
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Post by Works4me on Aug 16, 2016 19:30:16 GMT -5
BRB... going to go rafting down the Deschutes River And being able to do THAT on a regular Tuesday late afternoon is why you live there!
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Post by Firebird on Aug 16, 2016 22:11:46 GMT -5
So while we were rafting, my mom pointed out something so glaringly obvious, I can't believe it didn't occur to us before.
When the weather gets crappy, we can stay at their place rather than driving back and forth from Sunriver.
I seriously feel so dumb. That's absolutely the most reasonable thing to do. Now there's nothing preventing us from moving there, as long as DH and I don't mind a bit longer regular commute (and we don't).
So that's one obstacle cleared. The house prices are much lower there, we should be able to get something really nice in a more reasonable price range.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 17, 2016 5:03:06 GMT -5
Just for comparison, this is what you get for $250k in the Seattle area: 3bd/1ba/880sqft $250,000 www.redfin.com/WA/Seattle/11411-71st-Pl-S-98178/home/176469
In roughly that same neighborhood (which is technically in Renton, not Seattle, and not one of the best neighborhoods), you can get 3bd/2ba/1540sqft for $389k www.redfin.com/WA/Seattle/11232-56th-Ave-S-98178/home/177965
But in Seattle proper (north Seattle, in this case), 3bd/2ba/1540sqft will cost you $600k www.redfin.com/WA/Seattle/2712-NE-135th-St-98125/home/115056
Just a reminder that it is very possible that housing prices in Bend are "on par" with what people can earn in Bend, because while some people earn a lot in Seattle, the median HOUSEHOLD income in Seattle is $71k. So less than what you and DH would make if you're both making $40k/yr, with housing prices 2x as expensive.
But really just giving you a hard time. *hugs* It doesn't get any better going 100 miles north of Seattle. This is what $259k gets you here. www.home4investment.com/homes/2731-Yew-St/Bellingham/WA/98229/65704048/The lesson here is don't live near a city in a coastal state. Now I just need to follow that lesson....
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Post by Firebird on Aug 17, 2016 7:33:39 GMT -5
Okay, back to a computer at last so I can answer specifics I didn't get to yesterday. Are your parents willing to have your family stay there indefinitely especially with the hope of another grandchild? zibazinski - Yes. They tell me at least once a week not to worry about finding a house, that we can stay as long as we want. They are being incredibly generous with this whole thing. I fully intend to pay it forward with my own kids one day. I used to take a lot of pride in not needing their help financially, but things change. We are really lucky to have them. There's plenty of space for all of us. The setup is working nicely. The way their house is laid out, there's essentially two living rooms (one upstairs and one downstairs) and both have a TV. The upstairs one divides the master suite from the two smaller bedrooms and second bath. So there's a really nice separation between living spaces, and it's amazing how that takes the pressure off everyone. I grew up with my parents in a tiny 900 sf 2br/1ba condo. Yes, it was big enough for three people but it was tight. Very little privacy. We still haven't gotten over the luxury of being able to hang out separately and still be in the same house. Can you get insurance for your husband and baby bird on the healthcare exchange cheaper? emma1420 - I'm definitely going to look into this before DH gives notice. We may be able to get it cheaper through our usual insurance provider. I know you still have to get your ducks in a row, but you can absolutely start now searching for first-time buyer assistance programs. They DO exist in most areas and usually consist of a class and some financial counseling and then, frequently, special "affordable" mortgage programs and/or listings. Start exploring these programs and see if you can get a boost into the housing market through them when you are ready.GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl - I definitely plan for us to get some first-time buyer assistance. 20% down payment is not going to happen, although that used to be my goal. Now my goal is no more renting. And you're right on about the housing cost being so much lower here as to make it worth it. I hope we don't have to spend more than $300k but seriously, $300k for a house as nice as the one I'm sitting in now still strikes me as unbelievably cheap. I know I need to adjust my standards because it won't be quite as easy on $80k or $90k instead of $150k, but $300k in California wouldn't have gotten us much more than a shack. In fact, just for comparison, I'll tell you that the condo I described in my previous answer was sold for $400k, in cash. And my parents had about ten offers within a week. Yeah, there's a reason we left!
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Post by Firebird on Aug 17, 2016 7:48:18 GMT -5
Firebird--I've always admired your communication and writing styles and you seem like a very nice person. I know you want to be in Bend. Forget about the short-term (for now), but what type of salary will your DH get? You'll be making roughly $40K a year, and that won't cover your current costs. Depending on what he can make, can you afford to add in your own housing and all that goes with it? Will your insurance go back down again once he gets a job? janee - D'aww, thanks. That's nice of you to say. Anyway, we've sorta covered some of this but I'll answer anyway. No, we can't afford it at first but I'm holding off until DH gets a job here to make any sudden movements. If he can get unemployment, and he's got a good shot at that, problem solved. And knowing him, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he had a job paying more than mine by the end of September. I was the higher earner in California but not by so much in the end, and that was a very different area. Anyway, I'm not too concerned about the insurance. He'll probably have benefits when he does get a job. And at least I can cover them, even if I have to pay out of pocket for the premium (I didn't think I could cover them at all). Another note - while I'm not counting on this, it looks like I'll be traveling fairly regularly for this job. In my first month, I took a 3 day business trip and my take-home pay that week nearly doubled. So there is a chance for some OT, and I imagine I'll get some on occasion. Also, I'm going to try to negotiate at my 90 day review. We agreed to a *minimum* of $20/hr. Now that I know what the job entails, I'm probably going to ask for $25. Nothing saying I'll get it for sure, but it won't hurt to ask. I've been getting great feedback so far. Course, I'm still a little nervous that I'm going to get fired out of the blue one day for no reason - thank you, former job Oh, and I'm open to getting a part time job on weekends. Has to be on weekends so I can travel during the week and work late for my primary job if I need to, but I have no problem with the idea in theory once DH is home to take care of Babybird . Heck, I'd enjoy the chance to get to know more people in Bend. But like I said, it just all depends on what job he gets. If he gets a good one with a regular schedule, no issue. Regarding the car - I feel a Doxie moment coming on, but there is no way DH is going to part with that car. He researched it for almost a year before deciding on that particular one, got a great deal on it, and intends to drive it into the ground. I have to admit that it's the perfect car for our family and for this area (it handles snow and ice like a dream). Yeah, the payments suck but they'll be over in a couple of years and that car will easily last another 10-15 after that. Getting a used car would help with the budget situation for sure, but it wouldn't last as long and would probably need more maintenance, snow tires, etc. My own car is 7.5 years old (aww, they grow up so fast!) and fully paid off, in excellent condition. I'm religious about maintaining it, and it runs great. Should easily last me another ten years, and hopefully even longer. There's no way we can get along with only one car (I managed to snag the longest Bend commute it's possible to have because my office is way on the outskirts of town, about a 25 minute drive both ways - most Bend commutes are 10-15 minutes, tops) so unless he goes to work at my company, we'll both need transportation. I would like to start biking to work next summer (if we're still at that location; we might have an office in town by then) but that's a long way off. I will have DH look at the cell phone plan, though. I thought $75/person was pretty standard. If we can get that down, I'd love it. I think we're locked into contracts that expire at different times, but it won't hurt to check.
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Post by Firebird on Aug 17, 2016 8:01:14 GMT -5
I would tell you that $700 is still high for pre-school unless it's truly full time. Have you looked at what the elementary schools and/or what the Bend-LaPine school district is offering regarding pre-school? Knee Deep in Water Chloe - *waves* Ahh, so great to hear from all of my imaginary friends again! Her school is definitely full time, they're open from 6:00 am - 6:00 pm every day. Even more than we need. My parents drop her off in the morning so she can sleep in (because they rock) so she's usually there around 8:00, and I pick her up around 4:30 most days. We were paying $875 for her Montessori preschool in Portland, and... um... *a little* more than that in Cali. So $700 for full days struck me as a great deal, especially since I was scrambling to find her a place at the last second once I accepted this offer. (That was my bad, I should have started putting her on lists at the beginning of the summer. I just wasn't sure when I'd get a job, so I didn't want to put the cart before the horse - but whatever, we got lucky.) Anyway, I'm open to cheaper options BUT if DH gets a good job and we've got a bit of breathing room in our budget again (enough to save, of course - that's priority number one) I'd love to get her back into a Montessori school. There are several around here, and the one I like best is only about $100 more than where she is now. We'll see, though. She's on the list but it will probably take months for a spot to open up, so we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. I'm not sure how I feel about paying for private school through first grade anyway. When we had the money, it was a no-brainer but in our current situation, "one year to go" has such a delightful ring to it In exchange for living with and caring for an adult that acts like a child or an adult with issues that make it hard for them to live on their own, you might exchange your care for free housing. zibazinski - I honestly think we would suck at that, but thank you for the idea. I love creative ideas Anyway, we do have free housing at the moment, and for as long as we need. Based on this thread, I'm mentally revising my timeline from "hopefully December" to "let's shoot for May." We'll have to see how it goes. I think we've gone over the second kid stuff enough for now, but I forgot to say yesterday that I'm surprised and kind of amused that NomoreDramaQ1015 is playing with the idea of a third! I remember how adamant you were in the old days about being one and done Goes to show how much this stuff can change. How old is Babybird? Is there any possibility your DH does the SAH thing till Babybird is off to full time school?swasat - Hi there! She'll be four in October. DH and I have actually discussed him doing the SAHP thing. He'd like to try it. (I'm... skeptical, after doing it for three months myself, but I'm willing to try if we are ever in a financial position to do so.) Obviously, it's not an option right now. But if we have another kid and/or I'm suddenly making much more money, we can try it. She definitely needs to be in school, though - especially if she stays an only. When I visited Bend with you, I was pretty startled by the prices of things (in the shops and going out to eat). Formerly SK - Me too. The irony is that since I've moved here, our eating out budget has become almost nonexistent. Most of you probably remember what a huge struggle that was for me and DH even after we had Babybird. It's weird how easy it is for us not to eat out now. It helps a lot that I work in the boonies and I either bring my lunch or starve to death. And my mom and I usually take turns cooking on weeknights. Also I you and could not have made it through these past months without you. Everyone reading should know that
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Post by Firebird on Aug 17, 2016 8:14:40 GMT -5
Whew, I'm wordy today. I'm probably confusing you with another poster, but I thought the car was purchased with an inheritance, no?Lizard Queen - Not exactly. We were always planning to buy the car (DH's old one was in such crappy condition that we ended up giving it to my cousin - although it's holding up surprisingly well) and use part of his inheritance money for the down payment. While we were debating how much to put down, DH won $40k in Fantasy Football. So we put down a little more than we planned and still had a lot left over to beef up our savings. Those two back to back windfalls are pretty much the only reason we still have savings today after moving and unemployment and all the other lovely little things that have cropped up in the past two years And... Seems like she is in search of perfection. The perfect place to live, the perfect family set-up, the perfect balance sheet, etc. Searching for perfection will drive you nuts. Sometimes ya gotta just embrace the good enough for now.
Wise words. And finally, [having a second kid is] the only choice you have that can be undone.
justme - Ahh, you get me That's the part that terrifies me most about a second kid. Can't change my mind once we get the ball rolling. I'm absolutely TERRIFIED I'll conceive twins. No, they don't run in my family but identical twins are a fluke and can happen to anyone. That, Shooby, is an example of a situation that would almost certainly have me regretting my choice to reproduce a second time. Obviously I'd still love the kids and we'd make it work but I do NOT want three and I do NOT want twins. That would be super hard for me to accept, and it's something I can't control. Like most of the rest of it Thus the prospect scares the living daylights out of me. But anyway, I am feeling a smidge better about this whole thing. You guys are right - can't do anything about it for now, so might as well try to relax and put it out of my mind as much as I can. 3. Retirement. Get back on that stat. Are you giving up matches in your retirement at work? That is free money. Yes at 30+ there is plenty of time, but not if you keep putting it off. This isn't like just putting off a kid another year, once those dollars are gone, you aren't getting the money back. muttleynfelix - I'm not giving up anything yet, because the match isn't in effect yet. But once it is, I'll adjust the budget accordingly to at LEAST get that. 4. Lifestyle creep. I get it, life is hard with kids. Creep sets in , but come on Firebird, where is the girl who paid off her loans, buckled down and paid for the rest of school on the cheep? If you want to feel like your you have your financial life back under control, I suggest you revisit what you did back then. You did it once. You can do it again.
I've said many times that I don't think I could have gone back to school, and certainly not the way I did it, if I had kids first. It was unbelievably hard with only myself to look after, and I honestly admire the hell out of people who work and go to school with kids. When I lived in New York, I only made $40-50k + bonus there (not bad for a 20 year old in 2007) but ironically, I saved more than half of my gross during those 18 months because literally my only expenses were rent ($950, utilities included) and food. My work even covered my Metro card. I used the money I saved that year to go back to school and burn through the remaining two years in one calendar year. I don't think I could ever replicate that situation now. I'm damn glad I went when I did because if I hadn't, I think that chance would have disappeared forever. Anyway. I get what you're saying, and I appreciate it. I hope I still have that drive in me. It just looks different these days.
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Post by Firebird on Aug 17, 2016 8:20:03 GMT -5
Your OP posts read like someone struggling with life or death decisions. I'm getting stressed out just reading it. I can't imagine what it feels like to be living with it.973beachbum - I can see how it comes across that way. It does feel life or death at times, and it's really not. It has been a very stressful, very tough year. The good news is that this thread has helped me calm down a lot. One step at a time, and eventually things will turn around. DH and I will try to count our blessings and make the best choices we can for our family in the meantime. Thanks for all the thoughts on kid spacing (and everything else), everyone. If I didn't tag you, it's because I covered your question elsewhere or I'll hit it later. I really missed all of you and I appreciate all the thoughts and good wishes on here! And with that, I completely lost track of time. Gotta run.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 17, 2016 9:32:32 GMT -5
I think, Firebird, that leaving out the baby discussion until your life is a little more settled is a good idea. I'm assuming you're young enough that time isn't running out. There's a lot to be said in more ways than financial ones, for one child young enough for all day daycare at a time. You have a job as does your DH. He needs to start searching but keep his own until he gets a new one closer, especially if you're talking buying a house. Sometimes lenders want steady work history. If he can find cheaper living quarters when lease in Portland is up, and I bet he can, that's money saved. You might be able to trim budget as well. It's great that your parents have stepped up to help. What a load off that must be. Glad you're back.
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Post by Firebird on Aug 17, 2016 12:28:13 GMT -5
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Post by emma1420 on Aug 17, 2016 12:52:33 GMT -5
So pretty! But, to be honest, I really don't think that you are that far off track. You've had a bumpy year, and you are having to adjust to decrease in income (which is always pretty brutal). But, once your DH finds work (especially full-time work) then you will be back on track in no time. I bet we'll be seeing you in the house hunting thread sooner than you think.
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Post by t-dog on Aug 17, 2016 13:14:55 GMT -5
I have 2 sisters - one 3.5 years older and the other 13 months to the day younger. We really had nothing in common as kids. I didn't do much of anything with either one. Am very close to the younger now but the older has basically abandoned the entire family.
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Post by gs11rmb on Aug 17, 2016 13:35:48 GMT -5
So while we were rafting, my mom pointed out something so glaringly obvious, I can't believe it didn't occur to us before. When the weather gets crappy, we can stay at their place rather than driving back and forth from Sunriver. I seriously feel so dumb. That's absolutely the most reasonable thing to do. Now there's nothing preventing us from moving there, as long as DH and I don't mind a bit longer regular commute (and we don't). So that's one obstacle cleared. The house prices are much lower there, we should be able to get something really nice in a more reasonable price range. That's a lovely idea but it won't work in about a year when your daughter heads to elementary school. She can't miss school during the 'crappy' season.
The Deschutes River looks absolutely gorgeous. I can definitely see why you want to stay in Bend! Best of luck to you and I hope your DH is able to quickly find a job. That will remove a huge amount of stress from your life and really allow you to plan for the future.
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Post by Firebird on Aug 17, 2016 14:23:57 GMT -5
We're planning for Babybird to attend school in Bend, so the plan would apply to her as well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 14:42:18 GMT -5
The Orocho's are on my trip list! Going to go do a rockhounding trip to that area. Wonderful jaspers and agates where you are. I've been trying to decide if I can/want to move to the redwoods in CA or to the very southern end of OR. At this point, I still don't know.
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Post by gs11rmb on Aug 17, 2016 14:46:23 GMT -5
We're planning for Babybird to attend school in Bend, so the plan would apply to her as well. Is it the same school district as Sunriver? Not trying to be argumentative! I know in Atlanta they are pretty strict about making sure you are attending the 'right' school. If it is possible, this seems like an ideal solution to your housing problem.
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Post by gs11rmb on Aug 17, 2016 14:53:21 GMT -5
We're planning for Babybird to attend school in Bend, so the plan would apply to her as well. Is it the same school district as Sunriver? Not trying to be argumentative! I know in Atlanta they are pretty strict about making sure you are attending the 'right' school. If it is possible, this seems like an ideal solution to your housing problem. I'm killing time until the end of the work day so I just googled it and they are in the same school district! That means you should be able to 'choice in' or whatever the terminology is in Oregon, as long as there are spaces available in the Bend school.
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Post by midjd on Aug 17, 2016 14:56:10 GMT -5
Welcome back (and SK, too)! I don't have too much to add to the other suggestions. I think, though, with your writing and organization skills, you would be able to make quite a bit more money by working online doing content writing or as a remote executive assistant or similar. With the skewed income/expenses dynamic in your area, branching out of Bend by working remotely may be your best long-term bet. Plus you avoid the winter commuting issues and could potentially go down to one vehicle. For quick cash, the content site Shasta posted about a few times doesn't seem to be hiring anymore, but there are a few others that pay decently: BlogMutt and Constant Content are the two that come to mind. It can be a good way to supplement your income since you can write the posts/articles during your free time from pretty much anywhere with internet access. On the kid front, I have no advice, but will sit in the one and done boat with you if that's what you decide. I debated having another when DD was an infant but the older she gets, the more I realize I cannot be an effective parent to more than one kid, or at least more than my kid. (DD is my sister's clone, and my mom has always said "If she had been born first, she'd have been an only," so there is that. ) Good luck with whatever you decide.
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Post by Firebird on Aug 17, 2016 14:56:44 GMT -5
We're planning for Babybird to attend school in Bend, so the plan would apply to her as well. Is it the same school district as Sunriver? Not trying to be argumentative! I know in Atlanta they are pretty strict about making sure you are attending the 'right' school. If it is possible, this seems like an ideal solution to your housing problem. It's not the same district (ETA: YES IT IS TOO, HURRAY!) but I feel okay ethically with using my parents' address to register her. We do live with them now, she has a bedroom in their house that she can stay in anytime - so in a sense she does live there. It's not like using the address of a random friend, which I wouldn't do. I'd also be willing to pay a fee to register her in another district when the time comes, if that's an option. I know some districts allow that and some don't. The schools in Sunriver aren't great, from what I hear. That was our other hesitation. The schools in Bend are pretty good. And if DH and I work in Bend, it just makes more sense logistically for her to attend school in Bend.
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Post by Firebird on Aug 17, 2016 14:57:13 GMT -5
Is it the same school district as Sunriver? Not trying to be argumentative! I know in Atlanta they are pretty strict about making sure you are attending the 'right' school. If it is possible, this seems like an ideal solution to your housing problem. I'm killing time until the end of the work day so I just googled it and they are in the same school district! That means you should be able to 'choice in' or whatever the terminology is in Oregon, as long as there are spaces available in the Bend school. Ooh, even better! Thanks for the research!!
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Post by honeysalt on Aug 17, 2016 14:58:38 GMT -5
Firebird, I worked in Bend many years ago. I got long term gigs through a temp agency. It seemed like a lot of companies at the time use temp agencies for long term positions, and as a vetting tool, and then hired them. Your DH could probably start the application online so that he could (possibly) have work waiting for him when he arrives.
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Post by Firebird on Aug 17, 2016 15:00:12 GMT -5
Firebird, I worked in Bend many years ago. I got long term gigs through a temp agency. It seemed like a lot of companies at the time use temp agencies for long term positions, and as a vetting tool, and then hired them. Your DH could probably start the application online so that he could (possibly) have work waiting for him when he arrives. Good call. I did put him in touch with a recruiter earlier this week that I found through my own candidate search, but I'll mention the temp agencies. I didn't have any luck going that route in Bend, but I have in other places.
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Post by haapai on Aug 17, 2016 15:27:44 GMT -5
How does Oregon modify unemployment checks when someone works while receiving unemployment benefits? Do they do that horrible dollar for dollar docking or do they only reduce benefits by 50 cents for each dollar of income reported?
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Post by suesinfl on Aug 17, 2016 18:01:14 GMT -5
Good to hear from you FB. Your latest posts sound so much calmer that the original. That's a great thing. Sometimes "talking" out loud and receiving feedback is better than constantly thinking of all the "what ifs". Best of luck on your new adventures!
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 17, 2016 18:19:27 GMT -5
We had parents that worked in our area be able to put their children in the school in the area they worked in. But, on the other hand, as baby bird gets older, she may want to attend her school where she lives.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Aug 18, 2016 1:46:21 GMT -5
We had parents that worked in our area be able to put their children in the school in the area they worked in. But, on the other hand, as baby bird gets older, she may want to attend her school where she lives. Zib raises an excellent point. There is a ton of stuff that builds off of school: friends, extracurricular activities, school events (parent-teacher conferences, plays, concerts, science fair, book fair, PTO, etc.), Scouts, birthday parties, sports, etc. In time, your trips to and from the school area for reasons other than the regular school day will be frequent (daily, even). Just keep that in mind for both home and school location.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 6:47:04 GMT -5
Agreed. If you want her in that school system I'd reconsider buying outside of it.
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Post by Firebird on Aug 18, 2016 7:26:26 GMT -5
Certainly my preference is to buy in Bend, if we can find a suitable house in our price range. I agree it would be easier to live where we work and go to school, plus I'd like to live near my parents if possible.
But as you guys have pointed out, it may not be financially feasible to do that. And what I won't do is buy a house I know we'll be dissatisfied with in a couple of years. That way lies madness.
I'm willing to trade some convenience for a good house we can be happy in for many years. If that's not the trade, awesome!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 8:42:51 GMT -5
Speaking as someone who has spent most of kids growing years driving around and waiting, I'd buy the smaller house in the place I want to be, especially if weather is a concern.
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