Cursing being religious (atheists please keep out)

[resolution]

May 28, 2016 9:16:48 GMT -5 tloonya said:

May 28, 2016 9:10:25 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

So, if you interpret  it as not, it's ok, even if you're offending someone that feels it is?   Maybe Loony's friend doesn't co
nsider cursing to be a sin? 

I was wondering if she would curse talking
to a priest ?
I don't think so. Does anyone?

LOL. I am friends with a priest and have sworn around him a time or two. But when he is hanging around our house he isn't wearing the priest outfit or anything like that, just wanting to relax and socialize.

[tloonya]

May 28, 2016 13:39:11 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

May 28, 2016 10:52:07 GMT -5 tloonya said:

Is 'gosh' even a word?

I believe Gosh was the father of Jesus Cripes.

It is my understanding that we have all sinned and come short of the glory of God. You can only do the best you can do. Going to church is better than not going, if you go to worship and honor God.

Lol Greg. You know as well as me that gosh
Is God not named in vain.
I just didn't want to argue with mosh. Lol

[tloonya]

May 28, 2016 13:43:41 GMT -5 resolution said:

May 28, 2016 9:16:48 GMT -5 tloonya said:

I was wondering if she would curse talking
to a priest ?
I don't think so. Does anyone?

LOL. I am friends with a priest and have sworn around him a time or two. But when he is hanging around our house he isn't wearing the priest outfit or anything like that, just wanting to relax and socialize.

You know I meant wearing priests outfit in church.
You can curse plain clothes cop and be not
guilty or hit on nun if she wearing barging suit
Of course I was talking when you KNOW!

[Tennesseer]

May 28, 2016 19:09:34 GMT -5 tloonya said:

May 28, 2016 13:43:41 GMT -5 resolution said:

LOL. I am friends with a priest and have sworn around him a time or two. But when he is hanging around our house he isn't wearing the priest outfit or anything like that, just wanting to relax and socialize.

You know I meant wearing priests outfit in church.
You can curse plain clothes cop and be not
guilty or hit on nun if she wearing barging suit
Of course I was talking when you KNOW!

What is a barging suit and why would a nun wear one?

[tloonya]

May 28, 2016 19:40:45 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

May 28, 2016 19:09:34 GMT -5 tloonya said:

You know I meant wearing priests outfit in church.
You can curse plain clothes cop and be not
guilty or hit on nun if she wearing barging suit
Of course I was talking when you KNOW!

What is a barging suit and why would a nun wear one?

Bathing suit! Lol
Hate phone tyipong!

[Deleted]

DH and I go to a house of worship sometimes, maybe about 2-3 times a month.  The one we're going to tomorrow is not one of the ones we went to last year. It's the one that speaks to us today and I believe helps us be better folks throughout the week between Sundays.  I'm the first to say I have a bad case of potty mouth.  Yeah, I'm working on that plus a lot of other issues like the "love your neighbor" stuff.  

Personally, just for me, and not needing a flame war here, I think the Deity is probably waaaaay more concerned about what I do unto my fellow humans than the words out of my mouth.  That totally doesn't mean I shouldn't work on my anger management and potty mouth, but maybe I need to work more on the way I treat folks around me.     

[Tennesseer]

May 28, 2016 20:30:46 GMT -5 @donethat said:

DH and I go to a house of worship sometimes, maybe about 2-3 times a month.  The one we're going to tomorrow is not one of the ones we went to last year. It's the one that speaks to us today and I believe helps us be better folks throughout the week between Sundays.  I'm the first to say I have a bad case of potty mouth.  Yeah, I'm working on that plus a lot of other issues like the "love your neighbor" stuff.  

Personally, just for me, and not needing a flame war here, I think the Deity is probably waaaaay more concerned about what I do unto my fellow humans than the words out of my mouth.  That totally doesn't mean I shouldn't work on my anger management and potty mouth, but maybe I need to work more on the way I treat folks around me.     

Jesus only spoke Aramaic and understood so you're safe.

[weltschmerz]

May 28, 2016 10:00:32 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

May 28, 2016 9:07:07 GMT -5 tloonya said:

Where does it says so?

"Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain."
    - Exodus 20:7 (KJV)

To take the Lord's name in vain means to use it thoughtlessly or irreverently. Uttering "Oh my God", "Christ", "Jesus Christ", "God damned" all certainly qualify. Christians should also be diligent to avoid "O.M.G.", "Jeepers", "Jeeze", "Jiminy Christmas", etc., which are euphemisms for the same. "Gosh" and "gee" are borderline. I do my best to avoid them and recommend other Christians do likewise.

As for your religious friend dropping the F-bomb, call her attention to Colossians 3:8, Ephesians 5:4, Ephesians 4:29 where Paul admonishes the Gentiles:

"But now you also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth."
    - Colossians 3:8 (AKJV)

"Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks."
    - Ephesians 5:4 (AKJV)

The ISV translates the same verse:

"Obscene, flippant, or vulgar talk is totally inappropriate. Instead, let there be thanksgiving."
    - Ephesians 5:4 (ISV)

"Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace to the hearers."
    - Ephesians 4:29 (AKJV)

Among other things, "profane" means "unclean; impure", "to put to an improper, unworthy, or degrading use". Profane language (that is, profanity) is unfitting for a Christian. The F- M- B- C- and S- words especially are intended to be the most degrading, crass, offensive words in the English language. They don't appear in formal correspondence, and they shouldn't appear in Christians' speech. The same holds true for any slur. "Ass", "damned", "hell" may or may not be profane, depending on how they're used.

God cares about what men say, even in their idle speech. Those who profess to follow Christ are supposed to be (at least in part) identifiable by their desire to shun profane things. Remind your friend of this, and of Matthew 12:36:

"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment."
    - Matthew 12:36 (KJV)

I thought we couldn't do that here.
Maybe the rules are different for mods?

[billisonboard]

May 28, 2016 23:53:21 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

May 28, 2016 10:00:32 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

"Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain."
    - Exodus 20:7 (KJV)

To take the Lord's name in vain means to use it thoughtlessly or irreverently. Uttering "Oh my God", "Christ", "Jesus Christ", "God damned" all certainly qualify. Christians should also be diligent to avoid "O.M.G.", "Jeepers", "Jeeze", "Jiminy Christmas", etc., which are euphemisms for the same. "Gosh" and "gee" are borderline. I do my best to avoid them and recommend other Christians do likewise.

As for your religious friend dropping the F-bomb, call her attention to Colossians 3:8, Ephesians 5:4, Ephesians 4:29 where Paul admonishes the Gentiles:

"But now you also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth."
    - Colossians 3:8 (AKJV)

"Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks."
    - Ephesians 5:4 (AKJV)

The ISV translates the same verse:

"Obscene, flippant, or vulgar talk is totally inappropriate. Instead, let there be thanksgiving."
    - Ephesians 5:4 (ISV)

"Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace to the hearers."
    - Ephesians 4:29 (AKJV)

Among other things, "profane" means "unclean; impure", "to put to an improper, unworthy, or degrading use". Profane language (that is, profanity) is unfitting for a Christian. The F- M- B- C- and S- words especially are intended to be the most degrading, crass, offensive words in the English language. They don't appear in formal correspondence, and they shouldn't appear in Christians' speech. The same holds true for any slur. "Ass", "damned", "hell" may or may not be profane, depending on how they're used.

God cares about what men say, even in their idle speech. Those who profess to follow Christ are supposed to be (at least in part) identifiable by their desire to shun profane things. Remind your friend of this, and of Matthew 12:36:

"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment."
    - Matthew 12:36 (KJV)

I thought we couldn't do that here.
Maybe the rules are different for mods?

Thought it was why we have a Religious Discussions Board.

[weltschmerz]

Cursing being religious

Here's something that will tickle your funnybone...
Where I live, cursing IS religious.


MONTREAL -- "Oh, tabernacle!" The man swore in French as a car splashed through a puddle, sending water onto his pants. He could never be quoted in the papers here. It is too profane.

So are other angry oaths that sound innocuous in English: chalice, host, baptism. In French-speaking Quebec, swearing sounds like an inventory being taken at a church.

English-speaking Canadians use profanities that would be well understood in the United States, many of them scatological or sexual terms. But the Quebecois prefer to turn to religion when they are mad. They adopt commonplace Catholic terms -- and often creative permutations of them -- for swearing.
In doing so, their oaths speak volumes about the history of this French province.

"When you get mad, you look for words that attack what represses you," said Louise Lamarre, a Montreal cinematographer who must tread lightly around the language, depending on whether her films are in French or English. "In America, you are so Puritan that the swearing is mostly about sex. Here, since we were repressed so long by the church, people use religious terms."

And the words that are shocking in English -- including the slang for intercourse -- are so mild in Quebecois French they appear routinely in the media. But not church terms.
You swear about things that are taboo," said André Lapierre, a professor of linguistics at the University of Ottawa. In the United States, "it is not appropriate to talk about sex or scatological subjects, so that is what you use in your curse words. The f-word is a perfect example.

"In Canadian French, you have none of the sexual aspects. So what do you replace it with? You replace it with religion. If you are going to use a taboo word, it would be anything related to the cult, to Christ, the Communion wafer, Jesus Christ, vestments, and elements of the altar like tabernacle.


www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/04/AR2006120401286.html

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May 28, 2016 23:53:21 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

May 28, 2016 10:00:32 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

"Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain."
    - Exodus 20:7 (KJV)

To take the Lord's name in vain means to use it thoughtlessly or irreverently. Uttering "Oh my God", "Christ", "Jesus Christ", "God damned" all certainly qualify. Christians should also be diligent to avoid "O.M.G.", "Jeepers", "Jeeze", "Jiminy Christmas", etc., which are euphemisms for the same. "Gosh" and "gee" are borderline. I do my best to avoid them and recommend other Christians do likewise.

As for your religious friend dropping the F-bomb, call her attention to Colossians 3:8, Ephesians 5:4, Ephesians 4:29 where Paul admonishes the Gentiles:

"But now you also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth."
    - Colossians 3:8 (AKJV)

"Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks."
    - Ephesians 5:4 (AKJV)

The ISV translates the same verse:

"Obscene, flippant, or vulgar talk is totally inappropriate. Instead, let there be thanksgiving."
    - Ephesians 5:4 (ISV)

"Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace to the hearers."
    - Ephesians 4:29 (AKJV)

Among other things, "profane" means "unclean; impure", "to put to an improper, unworthy, or degrading use". Profane language (that is, profanity) is unfitting for a Christian. The F- M- B- C- and S- words especially are intended to be the most degrading, crass, offensive words in the English language. They don't appear in formal correspondence, and they shouldn't appear in Christians' speech. The same holds true for any slur. "Ass", "damned", "hell" may or may not be profane, depending on how they're used.

God cares about what men say, even in their idle speech. Those who profess to follow Christ are supposed to be (at least in part) identifiable by their desire to shun profane things. Remind your friend of this, and of Matthew 12:36:

"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment."
    - Matthew 12:36 (KJV)

I thought we couldn't do that here.
Maybe the rules are different for mods?

Depends on who's posting, because I sure can't. I will be kicked back into my little corner if I dare, but yeah, I do notice the cherry picks. 

[Deleted]

May 29, 2016 0:03:47 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

May 28, 2016 23:53:21 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

I thought we couldn't do that here.
Maybe the rules are different for mods?

Thought it was why we have a Religious Discussions Board.

Got me a witness  .. Like, I said above, depends on who's doing the talking. 

[billisonboard]

Maybe clarification from moon/Laura would be helpful. I saw Virgil Showlion 's post as just citing source material. Not different than I would do in a discussion on, say, the US Constitution. Of course it was Virgil so it was overkill but don't see that as a CoC violation.

[Virgil Showlion]

It could be me in the wrong.

My understanding is and has always been that quoting scripture is permitted on RD. I've done it many times in the past. The is "the place" for it.

It could be that not all the mods are on the same page. And sometimes we don't notice that a thread is on RD. I'll report the issue and get back to you.

[moon/Laura]

Yes, quoting scripture here would be allowed. We are on the religious board, after all. It's elsewhere on the forum that it's not allowed. Let me guess. No one noticed where the thread was posted?

It did start out in YM but got moved immediately, for obvious reasons.

[tloonya]

May 28, 2016 20:53:58 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

May 28, 2016 20:30:46 GMT -5 @donethat said:

DH and I go to a house of worship sometimes, maybe about 2-3 times a month.  The one we're going to tomorrow is not one of the ones we went to last year. It's the one that speaks to us today and I believe helps us be better folks throughout the week between Sundays.  I'm the first to say I have a bad case of potty mouth.  Yeah, I'm working on that plus a lot of other issues like the "love your neighbor" stuff.  

Personally, just for me, and not needing a flame war here, I think the Deity is probably waaaaay more concerned about what I do unto my fellow humans than the words out of my mouth.  That totally doesn't mean I shouldn't work on my anger management and potty mouth, but maybe I need to work more on the way I treat folks around me.     

Jesus only spoke Aramaic and understood so you're safe.

[

So prayers in English nor Italian arent
Understood?

[Tennesseer]

May 29, 2016 10:24:39 GMT -5 tloonya said:

May 28, 2016 20:53:58 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jesus only spoke Aramaic and understood so you're safe.

[

So prayers in English nor Italian arent
Understood?

Probably not. English and Italian weren't even spoken at the time of Christ. Now if someone swears/uses God's name in vane in Aramaic, Hebrew, in Greek or Latin, He might understand the curse words.

[tloonya]

May 29, 2016 10:41:02 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

May 29, 2016 10:24:39 GMT -5 tloonya said:

[

So prayers in English nor Italian arent
Understood?

Probably not. English and Italian weren't even spoken at the time of Christ. Now if someone swears/uses God's name in vane in Aramaic, Hebrew, in Greek or Latin, He might understand the curse words.

And other languages he doesn't get?
Do you even listen to yourself?

[Tennesseer]

May 29, 2016 10:49:35 GMT -5 tloonya said:

May 29, 2016 10:41:02 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Probably not. English and Italian weren't even spoken at the time of Christ. Now if someone swears/uses God's name in vane in Aramaic, Hebrew, in Greek or Latin, He might understand the curse words.

And other languages he doesn't get?
Do you even listen to yourself?

The bigger question is, 'Do you'?

[Deleted]

It may be the inner kid in me but telling me to stay out of a thread makes me want to post in it more.

That being said one of the many things I was punished for growing up when I was forced to go to church was for arguing with the minister that "Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball"

Evidently he wasn't a movie buff.

[Deleted]

To me taking 'the lord's name in vain' is to say one is doing something in the name of God that God would never do or have done by one.  

[tloonya]

May 29, 2016 10:51:37 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

May 29, 2016 10:49:35 GMT -5 tloonya said:

And other languages he doesn't get?
Do you even listen to yourself?

The bigger question is, 'Do you'?

And HOW is it a bigger question?
What have you measured it with?

You realizing you said Jesus understand
one language that is dead? So what are
We all doing praying in all these non aramean
Languages?

You just want to argue silliness and something
That makes no sense.

[moon/Laura]

Loony, that is absolutely the pot calling the kettle black. And if you don't get what I'm trying to say, I mean that you have no room to talk. You rarely make sense, and yet you have the nerve to tell other people that they don't (make sense) or that they're not intelligent or whatever. It really needs to stop.

[tloonya]

May 29, 2016 16:17:34 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Loony, that is absolutely the pot calling the kettle black. And if you don't get what I'm trying to say, I mean that you have no room to talk. You rarely make sense, and yet you have the nerve to tell other people that they don't (make sense) or that they're not intelligent or whatever. It really needs to stop.

I do make sense to a lot of people here.

Those whom I don't make sense to need to re-evaluate a lot of things.

How is it ok to say God understands cursing in aramean only?

So it is ok to curse in church speaking to a priest as long as

you don't curse in aramean...BRILLIANT!

[weltschmerz]

May 30, 2016 11:56:44 GMT -5 tloonya said:

May 29, 2016 16:17:34 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Loony, that is absolutely the pot calling the kettle black. And if you don't get what I'm trying to say, I mean that you have no room to talk. You rarely make sense, and yet you have the nerve to tell other people that they don't (make sense) or that they're not intelligent or whatever. It really needs to stop.

I do make sense to a lot of people here.

Those whom I don't make sense to need to re-evaluate a lot of things.

How is it ok to say God understands cursing in aramean only?

So it is ok to curse in church speaking to a priest as long as

you don't curse in aramean...BRILLIANT!

Who?

[tloonya]

May 30, 2016 12:02:42 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

May 30, 2016 11:56:44 GMT -5 tloonya said:

I do make sense to a lot of people here.

Those whom I don't make sense to need to re-evaluate a lot of things.

How is it ok to say God understands cursing in aramean only?

So it is ok to curse in church speaking to a priest as long as

you don't curse in aramean...BRILLIANT!

Who?

Not you apparently. But you aren't majority

[weltschmerz]

May 30, 2016 12:02:42 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

May 30, 2016 11:56:44 GMT -5 tloonya said:

I do make sense to a lot of people here.

Those whom I don't make sense to need to re-evaluate a lot of things.

How is it ok to say God understands cursing in aramean only?

So it is ok to curse in church speaking to a priest as long as

you don't curse in aramean...BRILLIANT!

Who?

You make no sense to anyone. You really should translate for the UN.
"Let's launch!!" Instead of "Let's lunch!"
Start an international incident, at the very least.

[moon/Laura]

the 5 people (maybe!) that understand you aren't what i'd consider a "lot of people". 

why isn't it ok to say god only understood armenian at that time? do you know differently? frankly, i don't know how anyone knows for sure. regardless, for those of you who believe in prayer,  maybe god has adapted now to all the other languages of the world. i certainly don't know. i don't believe in it, myself. 

[weltschmerz]

May 30, 2016 21:20:20 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

the 5 people (maybe!) that understand you aren't what i'd consider a "lot of people". 

why isn't it ok to say god only understood armenian at that time? do you know differently? frankly, i don't know how anyone knows for sure. regardless, for those of you who believe in prayer,  maybe god has adapted now to all the other languages of the world. i certainly don't know. i don't believe in it, myself. 

[Deleted]

May 30, 2016 11:56:44 GMT -5 tloonya said:

May 29, 2016 16:17:34 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Loony, that is absolutely the pot calling the kettle black. And if you don't get what I'm trying to say, I mean that you have no room to talk. You rarely make sense, and yet you have the nerve to tell other people that they don't (make sense) or that they're not intelligent or whatever. It really needs to stop.

I do make sense to a lot of people here.

Those whom I don't make sense to need to re-evaluate a lot of things.

How is it ok to say God understands cursing in aramean only?

So it is ok to curse in church speaking to a priest as long as

you don't curse in aramean...BRILLIANT!

I've cursed in front of our old priest lots of times.  Drank and played cards with him too.  He's an awesome guy.