General Election 2016: Clinton -vs- Trump

[weltschmerz]

Aug 15, 2016 15:24:04 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Now Trump has even Rudi Giuliani lying for him.  That or Giuliani has dementia for which he might be forgiven.  But then he was a speaker at the Republican convention and did praise Trump.

Rudy Giuliani forgets about 9/11 and claims that ‘before Obama came along, we didn't have any successful radical Islamic terrorist attack inside the’ U.S.

You might want to get that bump on your head checked, Rudy.

Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani on Monday appeared to forget about the worst-ever terror attack to occur on U.S. soil, claiming that there simply had been no such assaults inside America before President Obama.

“Under those eight years, before Obama came along, we didn't have any successful radical Islamic terrorist attack inside the United States,” Giuliani said during a head-scratching speech to introduce Donald Trump in Youngstown, Ohio.

“They all started when Clinton and Obama got into office,” Giuliani said, bizarrely forgetting the horrific 9/11 attacks.

The extraordinary exclusion of 9/11 was especially peculiar, given that, just a moment earlier Giuliani had been discussing the attacks and praising vice presidential nominee Mike Pence for a “very, very timely” visit to Ground Zero and for his help, as a then-congressman, on the Judiciary Committee to help “fashion the Patriot Act.”

"You know better than I do what a great governor he is of your state,” Giuliani told the Ohio crowd.

Pence is the governor of Indiana.

Rudy Giuliani forgets about 9/11 and claims that ‘before Obama came along, we didn't have any successful radical Islamic terrorist attack inside the’ U.S.

Is that also from Andy Borowitz?

[tallguy]

Really difficult to see how he could forget 9/11, considering he was mayor of the city at the time and built pretty much his entire career after that on the attacks.  And Biden's line about Rudy: "There's only three things he mentions in a sentence —a noun, a verb, and 9/11."    

[tallguy]

Aug 15, 2016 15:38:42 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Aug 15, 2016 15:24:04 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Now Trump has even Rudi Giuliani lying for him.  That or Giuliani has dementia for which he might be forgiven.  But then he was a speaker at the Republican convention and did praise Trump.

Rudy Giuliani forgets about 9/11 and claims that ‘before Obama came along, we didn't have any successful radical Islamic terrorist attack inside the’ U.S.

You might want to get that bump on your head checked, Rudy.

Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani on Monday appeared to forget about the worst-ever terror attack to occur on U.S. soil, claiming that there simply had been no such assaults inside America before President Obama.

“Under those eight years, before Obama came along, we didn't have any successful radical Islamic terrorist attack inside the United States,” Giuliani said during a head-scratching speech to introduce Donald Trump in Youngstown, Ohio.

“They all started when Clinton and Obama got into office,” Giuliani said, bizarrely forgetting the horrific 9/11 attacks.

The extraordinary exclusion of 9/11 was especially peculiar, given that, just a moment earlier Giuliani had been discussing the attacks and praising vice presidential nominee Mike Pence for a “very, very timely” visit to Ground Zero and for his help, as a then-congressman, on the Judiciary Committee to help “fashion the Patriot Act.”

"You know better than I do what a great governor he is of your state,” Giuliani told the Ohio crowd.

Pence is the governor of Indiana.

Rudy Giuliani forgets about 9/11 and claims that ‘before Obama came along, we didn't have any successful radical Islamic terrorist attack inside the’ U.S.

Is that also from Andy Borowitz?

Sadly, no.  

[dondub]

Maybe Rudy was aware of the 'inside job'.

[tallguy]

He probably engineered it, along with Bush' cronies, of course.  That's how he can be so sure it wasn't radical Islamist terrorism. 

[Tennesseer]

Aug 15, 2016 15:38:42 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Aug 15, 2016 15:24:04 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Now Trump has even Rudi Giuliani lying for him.  That or Giuliani has dementia for which he might be forgiven.  But then he was a speaker at the Republican convention and did praise Trump.

Rudy Giuliani forgets about 9/11 and claims that ‘before Obama came along, we didn't have any successful radical Islamic terrorist attack inside the’ U.S.

You might want to get that bump on your head checked, Rudy.

Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani on Monday appeared to forget about the worst-ever terror attack to occur on U.S. soil, claiming that there simply had been no such assaults inside America before President Obama.

“Under those eight years, before Obama came along, we didn't have any successful radical Islamic terrorist attack inside the United States,” Giuliani said during a head-scratching speech to introduce Donald Trump in Youngstown, Ohio.

“They all started when Clinton and Obama got into office,” Giuliani said, bizarrely forgetting the horrific 9/11 attacks.

The extraordinary exclusion of 9/11 was especially peculiar, given that, just a moment earlier Giuliani had been discussing the attacks and praising vice presidential nominee Mike Pence for a “very, very timely” visit to Ground Zero and for his help, as a then-congressman, on the Judiciary Committee to help “fashion the Patriot Act.”

"You know better than I do what a great governor he is of your state,” Giuliani told the Ohio crowd.

Pence is the governor of Indiana.

Rudy Giuliani forgets about 9/11 and claims that ‘before Obama came along, we didn't have any successful radical Islamic terrorist attack inside the’ U.S.

Is that also from Andy Borowitz?

One might think so. Or something from The Onion, but Giuliani said it at a Trump rally in Ohio earlier today.

[weltschmerz]

Well, you can't trust an American who accepts a knighthood from the Queen.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 15, 2016 15:24:04 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Now Trump has even Rudi Giuliani lying for him.  That or Giuliani has dementia for which he might be forgiven.  But then he was a speaker at the Republican convention and did praise Trump.

Rudy Giuliani forgets about 9/11 and claims that ‘before Obama came along, we didn't have any successful radical Islamic terrorist attack inside the’ U.S.

You might want to get that bump on your head checked, Rudy.

Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani on Monday appeared to forget about the worst-ever terror attack to occur on U.S. soil, claiming that there simply had been no such assaults inside America before President Obama.

“Under those eight years, before Obama came along, we didn't have any successful radical Islamic terrorist attack inside the United States,” Giuliani said during a head-scratching speech to introduce Donald Trump in Youngstown, Ohio.

“They all started when Clinton and Obama got into office,” Giuliani said, bizarrely forgetting the horrific 9/11 attacks.

The extraordinary exclusion of 9/11 was especially peculiar, given that, just a moment earlier Giuliani had been discussing the attacks and praising vice presidential nominee Mike Pence for a “very, very timely” visit to Ground Zero and for his help, as a then-congressman, on the Judiciary Committee to help “fashion the Patriot Act.”

"You know better than I do what a great governor he is of your state,” Giuliani told the Ohio crowd.

Pence is the governor of Indiana.

Rudy Giuliani forgets about 9/11 and claims that ‘before Obama came along, we didn't have any successful radical Islamic terrorist attack inside the’ U.S.

i have thought nothing of Giuliani since the day he mocked Rand Paul during the debates for DARING to speak the truth: that the US would be a lot less of a target if we weren't constantly f(*King around in ME politics. 

not only did he forget 911, he forgot the DC Sniper.  the man is a complete boob.  watching him go down in flames in 2008 was delicious.

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Aug 15, 2016 15:24:04 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Now Trump has even Rudi Giuliani lying for him.  That or Giuliani has dementia for which he might be forgiven.  But then he was a speaker at the Republican convention and did praise Trump.

Rudy Giuliani forgets about 9/11 and claims that ‘before Obama came along, we didn't have any successful radical Islamic terrorist attack inside the’ U.S.

You might want to get that bump on your head checked, Rudy.

Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani on Monday appeared to forget about the worst-ever terror attack to occur on U.S. soil, claiming that there simply had been no such assaults inside America before President Obama.

“Under those eight years, before Obama came along, we didn't have any successful radical Islamic terrorist attack inside the United States,” Giuliani said during a head-scratching speech to introduce Donald Trump in Youngstown, Ohio.

“They all started when Clinton and Obama got into office,” Giuliani said, bizarrely forgetting the horrific 9/11 attacks.

The extraordinary exclusion of 9/11 was especially peculiar, given that, just a moment earlier Giuliani had been discussing the attacks and praising vice presidential nominee Mike Pence for a “very, very timely” visit to Ground Zero and for his help, as a then-congressman, on the Judiciary Committee to help “fashion the Patriot Act.”

"You know better than I do what a great governor he is of your state,” Giuliani told the Ohio crowd.

Pence is the governor of Indiana.

Rudy Giuliani forgets about 9/11 and claims that ‘before Obama came along, we didn't have any successful radical Islamic terrorist attack inside the’ U.S.

On the bolded: Well... maybe he figured "airspace doesn't count"? I dunno....

[Tennesseer]

Aug 15, 2016 20:36:08 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Aug 15, 2016 15:24:04 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Now Trump has even Rudi Giuliani lying for him.  That or Giuliani has dementia for which he might be forgiven.  But then he was a speaker at the Republican convention and did praise Trump.

Rudy Giuliani forgets about 9/11 and claims that ‘before Obama came along, we didn't have any successful radical Islamic terrorist attack inside the’ U.S.

You might want to get that bump on your head checked, Rudy.

Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani on Monday appeared to forget about the worst-ever terror attack to occur on U.S. soil, claiming that there simply had been no such assaults inside America before President Obama.

“Under those eight years, before Obama came along, we didn't have any successful radical Islamic terrorist attack inside the United States,” Giuliani said during a head-scratching speech to introduce Donald Trump in Youngstown, Ohio.

“They all started when Clinton and Obama got into office,” Giuliani said, bizarrely forgetting the horrific 9/11 attacks.

The extraordinary exclusion of 9/11 was especially peculiar, given that, just a moment earlier Giuliani had been discussing the attacks and praising vice presidential nominee Mike Pence for a “very, very timely” visit to Ground Zero and for his help, as a then-congressman, on the Judiciary Committee to help “fashion the Patriot Act.”

"You know better than I do what a great governor he is of your state,” Giuliani told the Ohio crowd.

Pence is the governor of Indiana.

Rudy Giuliani forgets about 9/11 and claims that ‘before Obama came along, we didn't have any successful radical Islamic terrorist attack inside the’ U.S.

On the bolded: Well... maybe he figured "airspace doesn't count"? I dunno....

S---T---R---E---T---C---H

[Deleted]

Aug 15, 2016 15:58:54 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Well, you can't trust an American who accepts a knighthood from the Queen.

Are you suggesting that Dwight D. Eisenhower couldn't be trusted back when he was alive?

[weltschmerz]

It was said tongue in cheek.
After your bloody revolution to gain independence from the monarchy, why would anyone accept a knighthood from Her Royal Majesty?

[tallguy]

No, we always liked the Queen.  It was that damn King you had way back then.  (Even if it wasn't really....)  

[dondub]

Mick did although Keith was appalled, and rightly so.

[weltschmerz]

Aug 15, 2016 23:04:23 GMT -5 dondub said:

Mick did although Keith was appalled, and rightly so.

Yu DO know that Mick is a Brit, right? It's HIS Queen.
Or are you claiming the Stones as your own?

[dondub]

I'm well aware that The Stones are Brits. Sheesh! I'm also well aware the Keef was disgusted that Mick took the Knighthood. Hey...wasn't that my point?

[weltschmerz]

Aug 15, 2016 23:36:10 GMT -5 dondub said:

I'm well aware that The Stones are Brits. Sheesh! I'm also well aware the Keef was disgusted that Mick took the Knighthood. Hey...wasn't that my point?

I honestly don't know what your point was.
I was talking about Americans accepting a knighthood from the awful monarchy they broke away from.

[djAdvocate]

this is too hilarious not to post:

talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/clinton-leads-trump-breitbart-poll

what happens when your flaming right wingers commission a poll that disproves them?

let's watch, shall we?

[dondub]

I honestly don't know what your point was.
I was talking about Americans accepting a knighthood from the awful monarchy they broke away from.

Sorry. I don't think it's that difficult to figure out.

 I know what you were talking about. I talked about something similar but different.

[weltschmerz]

Aug 15, 2016 23:55:00 GMT -5 dondub said:

I honestly don't know what your point was.
I was talking about Americans accepting a knighthood from the awful monarchy they broke away from.

Sorry. I don't think it's that difficult to figure out.

 I know what you were talking about. I talked about something similar but different.

Alrighty, then!

[tallguy]

Aug 15, 2016 23:47:09 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

this is too hilarious not to post:

talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/clinton-leads-trump-breitbart-poll

what happens when your flaming right wingers commission a poll that disproves them?

let's watch, shall we?

I'm guessing they (Gravis) are closer on this one than the link near the end of that article where they missed a Maryland race by 96 points.    

[djAdvocate]

it's probably a couple points off.  but not in the direction they are hoping. 

[happyhoix]

Aug 15, 2016 23:47:09 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

this is too hilarious not to post:

talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/clinton-leads-trump-breitbart-poll

what happens when your flaming right wingers commission a poll that disproves them?

let's watch, shall we?

That's why we have all the current talk about the election being 'rigged.'

As the Donald has already said, many times, the only way he can lose is if Hillary cheats.

I think mentally he's already done with this race (I don't think he ever intended to win it in the first place). He's already in his limo next to his sexy, scantily clad wife, the two of them drinking martinis, Trump laughing all the way to one of his golf courses. He will be able to say, to the end of his life, that he SHOULD have been POTUS, but he got robbed of it by the crooked Clintons.

Meanwhile, his angry, bitter supporters will be left holding the bag, feeling like they got cheated, and Trump will not be there to smooth any of that over because he truly doesn't give a shit about them, about the GOP, or even the country, except as a platform to host his business ambitions. He will be the ultimate bad loser, willing to shit in the punch bowl because he didn't win.

The more this election progresses, the more angry I get at the GOP. This is not the party I've voted for, that my parents voted for. This is not the fiscally responsible, grown up party. By catering to the fringe voters, they've allowed a narcissistic, B grade businessman to seize control and he's running this dignified party right into the ditch, and it's going to further divide an already divided country. The GOP needs to undergo mitosis, to split into two -  one half the old fiscally responsible, socially moderate party, the other half the radical fringe. It's the only way to save the party.  

 

[happyhoix]

Aug 16, 2016 9:05:20 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

I don't think this party (the GOP ) has been respectable for a long time. That is why it has been losing moderates since the 1990's. Maybe this is just the catharsis that it needs.


You may be right about it splitting in two.  I really can't see the loud and proud RW faction ever co-existing peacefully with the staid and sensible members of the traditional GOP mold. 

I hope this is the kick in the ass the GOP needs for the boring, fiscally responsible, dependable moderates to break into their own boring, fiscally responsible, dignified and studious party while the fringe members that want to impose religious law and ethnic cleansing get launched into their own rowdy, belligerent party, fear mongering party.

Trump can be their ringleader.

I would gladly vote for the bland nerd party that I can trust with my money.  

[happyhoix]

Lets play what if.

Say Assange has some bombshell email he's holding until Sept or October. Some really nasty smoking gun that blows the whole Clinton campaign open. He's waiting until just the right moment when it can do the most damage and won't allow Clinton time to smooth the whole mess over before election day.

With people faced with voting for a now toxic Clinton and the always toxic Trump, what would be the chances that people turn to Johnson?

He's already polling almost dead even with Trump in Utah.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 16, 2016 9:05:20 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

I don't think this party (the GOP ) has been respectable for a long time. That is why it has been losing moderates since the 1990's. Maybe this is just the catharsis that it needs.


You may be right about it splitting in two.  I really can't see the loud and proud RW faction ever co-existing peacefully with the staid and sensible members of the traditional GOP mold. 

[djAdvocate]

Aug 16, 2016 9:21:28 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Lets play what if.

Say Assange has some bombshell email he's holding until Sept or October. Some really nasty smoking gun that blows the whole Clinton campaign open. He's waiting until just the right moment when it can do the most damage and won't allow Clinton time to smooth the whole mess over before election day.

With people faced with voting for a now toxic Clinton and the always toxic Trump, what would be the chances that people turn to Johnson?

He's already polling almost dead even with Trump in Utah.

oddly, Trump mentioned Utah specifically as a state "he needs to work on".  really?  UTAH?  if he is in trouble in Utah....UTAH.....wow.

[djAdvocate]

there has been basically no movement in the national polls in (2) weeks.  every day that slips away decreases Trump's odds of winning, obviously.  however, it is not enough for me to shift Clinton from 7:2 favourite.

in the state polling, the news has been almost universally bad for Trump.  the one exception was today's WaPo poll of Virginia, where he is back to single digits, similar to the national surveys.  if i were to guess, i would say that he will continue to firm up in states he is likely to win, along with Clinton, which will make the election easier to call.

[tallguy]

Unbelievable.   
(This was in North Carolina, by the way.)

Donald Trump said a lot of different things last week so we polled to what share of his supporters bought into each of them:

-69% of Trump voters think that if Hillary Clinton wins the election it will be because it was rigged, to only 16% who think it would be because she got more vote than Trump. More specifically 40% of Trump voters think that ACORN (which hasn't existed in years) will steal the election for Clinton. That shows the long staying power of GOP conspiracy theories.

-48% of Trump voters think that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton deserve the blame for Humayun Khan's death to 16% who absolve them and 36% who aren't sure one way or the other (Obama was in the Illinois Legislature when it happened.) Showing the extent to which Trump supporters buy into everything he says, 40% say his comments about the Khans last week were appropriate to only 22% who will grant that they were inappropriate. And 39% of Trump voters say they view the Khan family negatively, to just 11% who have a positive opinion of them.

-Even though Trump ended up admitting it didn't exist 47% of his voters say they saw the video of Iran collecting 400 million dollars from the United States to only 46% who say they didn't see the video. Showing the extent to which the ideas Trump floats and the coverage they get can overshadow the facts, even 25% of Clinton voters claim to have seen the nonexistent video.

-Trump said last week that Hillary Clinton is the devil, and 41% of Trump voters say they think she is indeed the devil to 42% who disagree with that sentiment and 17% who aren't sure one way or the other.

We've been writing for almost a year that there's a cult like aspect to Trump's supporters, where they'll go along with anything he says. Trump made some of his most outlandish claims and statements yet last week, but we continue to find that few in his support base disavow them.

link

[weltschmerz]

Donald Trump called Monday for "extreme vetting" of immigrants seeking admission to the United States, vowing to block those who sympathize with extremist groups or don't embrace American values. He said the policy would first require a temporary halt in immigration from dangerous regions of the world.
Trump's campaign aides said the new ideological test for admission to the United States would vet applicants for their stance on issues like religious freedom, gender equality and gay rights.
www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-political-test-immigrants-1.3721288


Ha, ha, ha!
Who is going to vet the Conservative party, who just came out with the most anti-LGBT platform in history?