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Post by tallguy on Aug 11, 2016 19:26:50 GMT -5
TRUMP BLASTS MEDIA FOR REPORTING THINGS HE SAYSBy Andy Borowitz , 08:16 A.M. NEW YORK (The Borowitz Report)—The Republican nominee Donald Trump tore into the media on Thursday for what he called their “extremely unfair practice” of reporting the things he says. “I’ll say something at a rally and I look out and see all these TV cameras taking every word down,” Trump told Fox News’ Sean Hannity. “No one in politics has ever been subjected to this kind of treatment.” “It’s unbelievable and, frankly, very unethical,” he added. At a rally in Florida, the candidate lashed out at a TV cameraman whom he caught in the act of recording his words for broadcasting purposes. “Look at him over there, picking up everything I’m saying, folks,” Trump shouted. “Get him out of here.” In his interview with Fox, Trump hinted that he might drop out of this fall’s televised Presidential debates if the media continues its practice of reporting the things he says. “I’ve always said that I would be willing to debate if I’m treated fairly,” Trump told Hannity. “But if the media keeps recording everything I say, word for word, and then playing it back so that everyone in the country hears exactly what I said, I would consider that very, very unfair.” TRUMP BLASTS MEDIA FOR REPORTING THINGS HE SAYS Do you think you made it big enough this time?  |
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 11, 2016 19:31:26 GMT -5
TRUMP BLASTS MEDIA FOR REPORTING THINGS HE SAYSBy Andy Borowitz , 08:16 A.M. NEW YORK (The Borowitz Report)—The Republican nominee Donald Trump tore into the media on Thursday for what he called their “extremely unfair practice” of reporting the things he says. “I’ll say something at a rally and I look out and see all these TV cameras taking every word down,” Trump told Fox News’ Sean Hannity. “No one in politics has ever been subjected to this kind of treatment.” “It’s unbelievable and, frankly, very unethical,” he added. At a rally in Florida, the candidate lashed out at a TV cameraman whom he caught in the act of recording his words for broadcasting purposes. “Look at him over there, picking up everything I’m saying, folks,” Trump shouted. “Get him out of here.” In his interview with Fox, Trump hinted that he might drop out of this fall’s televised Presidential debates if the media continues its practice of reporting the things he says. “I’ve always said that I would be willing to debate if I’m treated fairly,” Trump told Hannity. “But if the media keeps recording everything I say, word for word, and then playing it back so that everyone in the country hears exactly what I said, I would consider that very, very unfair.” TRUMP BLASTS MEDIA FOR REPORTING THINGS HE SAYS Do you think you made it big enough this time? I really don't want to go to neon letters and sparkles the next time. |
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Post by tallguy on Aug 11, 2016 19:50:14 GMT -5
Oh sure you do! How many other chances do you get in life to go with neon letters and sparkles?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2016 21:46:09 GMT -5
Of course you don't.  And how can it be an anti-Trump bias to suggest that he lies more than anyone else? Not only do the numbers bear it out by a wide margin but it seems to be part of his strategy to make up new and more unbelievable whoppers pretty much every day. He apparently believes that any publicity is good publicity, and that he is controlling the news cycle. Unfortunately for him, he is either too short-sighted to see how much it is costing him with voters or worse, that he just doesn't care. And a final remark on the chart: I don't think it is particularly surprising that the worst "liars" are on the GOP side and the most "honest" are on the Democratic side. It is not necessarily a measure of them as individuals, but rather an indictment of how much nonsense their supporters will believe. If your supporters (or, target market) is predisposed to believe stupid sh**, give them stupid sh**. That seems to be the mantra.  How? When Hillary lies just as much as he does, yet people think that he lies more... that's a pretty good way that it can "be" anti-Trump bias at play. If you can't see that then maybe it's you that's not seeing all the bias. That last paragraph goes for the Democrats as well.. if the supporters will believe stupid shit feed it to 'em. (perfect example: Democrat supported and passed... Obamacare. Democrats lapped that crap up). |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2016 21:47:00 GMT -5
What's interesting to me is that Trump and Clinton are separated by such a wide margin... She lies just as much as he does has been my experience with things that I've heard from both of them. That shows either bias from them or I'm really, really, REALLY lucky at hearing Clinton lie. Anyone wanna guess what the odds are that I've heard an inordinate amount of lies from her but missed an equally inordinate amount of truths? I'm guessing it's pretty unlikely. I expect to see that margin increase as Trump continues to spout reckless, inflamatory rhetoric. And, no, she does not "lie as much as he does" by any means. She actually does... but the anti-Trump bias won't let people acknowledge it. |
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Post by Pants on Aug 11, 2016 21:49:59 GMT -5
I expect to see that margin increase as Trump continues to spout reckless, inflamatory rhetoric. And, no, she does not "lie as much as he does" by any means. She actually does... but the anti-Trump bias won't let people acknowledge it. Alternate explanation: the things you "know" to be "true" are, in fact, wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2016 21:52:26 GMT -5
What's interesting to me is that Trump and Clinton are separated by such a wide margin... She lies just as much as he does has been my experience with things that I've heard from both of them. That shows either bias from them or I'm really, really, REALLY lucky at hearing Clinton lie. Anyone wanna guess what the odds are that I've heard an inordinate amount of lies from her but missed an equally inordinate amount of truths? I'm guessing it's pretty unlikely. Possibly it's because Mrs Clinton's lies are less obvious and may not be identified as lies by most people, where as Trump lies in large and obvious ways (like Obama being the founder of ISIS).
At the same time, you might be one of the people who considers what Trump says 'jokes' and not 'lies.'
It's all in the perception. I don't consider his lies "jokes". Remember, I'm NOT a supporter of his. I just know that he'd be better than Clinton if voters can't figure out that there are actually more than two choices). So don't confuse my defense against inaccuracy of how good and clean and pure Hillary is... as some sort of support for Trump. It's not. It never will be. Trump would make Obama look like a GOOD President he'd be so bad. Unfortunately Hillary would make Obama look like an AWESOME president by comparison. I do agree that there's a lot in perception... but the blurred perception is mostly the perception of those perceiving Hillary. Donald is an ass and everyone knows it. Hillary is a worse ass and she's got a good percentage of the population believing she's not one at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2016 21:56:36 GMT -5
She actually does... but the anti-Trump bias won't let people acknowledge it. Alternate explanation: the things you "know" to be "true" are, in fact, wrong. That would be a good explanation... if it had any truth to it. Unfortunately for you it doesn't. Things I "know" to be "true" are, in fact "true". I don't say things are true if they aren't. If I don't know for sure I use qualifiers like... "I believe" or "in my opinion" |
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Post by tallguy on Aug 11, 2016 22:04:42 GMT -5
Of course you don't. And how can it be an anti-Trump bias to suggest that he lies more than anyone else? Not only do the numbers bear it out by a wide margin but it seems to be part of his strategy to make up new and more unbelievable whoppers pretty much every day. He apparently believes that any publicity is good publicity, and that he is controlling the news cycle. Unfortunately for him, he is either too short-sighted to see how much it is costing him with voters or worse, that he just doesn't care. And a final remark on the chart: I don't think it is particularly surprising that the worst "liars" are on the GOP side and the most "honest" are on the Democratic side. It is not necessarily a measure of them as individuals, but rather an indictment of how much nonsense their supporters will believe. If your supporters (or, target market) is predisposed to believe stupid sh**, give them stupid sh**. That seems to be the mantra. How? When Hillary lies just as much as he does, yet people think that he lies more... that's a pretty good way that it can "be" anti-Trump bias at play. If you can't see that then maybe it's you that's not seeing all the bias. That last paragraph goes for the Democrats as well.. if the supporters will believe stupid shit feed it to 'em. (perfect example: Democrat supported and passed... Obamacare. Democrats lapped that crap up). Note the bolded: These are REPUBLICANS worried about the damage his campaign could cause the party in down-ballot races. This is not Democrats claiming that Trump lies a lot. Any contention that Hillary lies anywhere near as much as Trump is sheer lunacy. A growing number of Republicans are coming out openly saying they will support and vote for Clinton. That is not because she "lies just as much." That is because she is a far better candidate and will not endanger the country as Trump would. Is she flawed? Of course. Compared to Trump? The scale doesn't go high enough to accurately demonstrate how much more suited to the job she is than he. It is not me that is blind here.... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2016 22:20:25 GMT -5
How? When Hillary lies just as much as he does, yet people think that he lies more... that's a pretty good way that it can "be" anti-Trump bias at play. If you can't see that then maybe it's you that's not seeing all the bias. That last paragraph goes for the Democrats as well.. if the supporters will believe stupid shit feed it to 'em. (perfect example: Democrat supported and passed... Obamacare. Democrats lapped that crap up). Note the bolded: These are REPUBLICANS worried about the damage his campaign could cause the party in down-ballot races. This is not Democrats claiming that Trump lies a lot. Any contention that Hillary lies anywhere near as much as Trump is sheer lunacy. A growing number of Republicans are coming out openly saying they will support and vote for Clinton. That is not because she "lies just as much." That is because she is a far better candidate and will not endanger the country as Trump would. Is she flawed? Of course. Compared to Trump? The scale doesn't go high enough to accurately demonstrate how much more suited to the job she is than he. It is not me that is blind here.... I never claimed Trump wan't a liar. I believe I even admitted he was a BIG one (I could be mis-remembering that last one... it could have been on a different board that I said that... but anyway... he IS a big liar). I'm just saying Hillary is as much of a liar as Trump is... if not more-so of one. Hillary has everyone that thinks she's great "snowed". Donald just hasn't "snowed" anyone. |
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 12, 2016 7:51:42 GMT -5
Oh sure you do! How many other chances do you get in life to go with neon letters and sparkles? Stripper font! |
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 12, 2016 8:02:29 GMT -5
Note the bolded: These are REPUBLICANS worried about the damage his campaign could cause the party in down-ballot races. This is not Democrats claiming that Trump lies a lot. Any contention that Hillary lies anywhere near as much as Trump is sheer lunacy. A growing number of Republicans are coming out openly saying they will support and vote for Clinton. That is not because she "lies just as much." That is because she is a far better candidate and will not endanger the country as Trump would. Is she flawed? Of course. Compared to Trump? The scale doesn't go high enough to accurately demonstrate how much more suited to the job she is than he. It is not me that is blind here.... I never claimed Trump wan't a liar. I believe I even admitted he was a BIG one (I could be mis-remembering that last one... it could have been on a different board that I said that... but anyway... he IS a big liar). I'm just saying Hillary is as much of a liar as Trump is... if not more-so of one. Hillary has everyone that thinks she's great "snowed". Donald just hasn't "snowed" anyone. That's why Trump is tanking in the polls. His lies are far too blatant. Only his most dedicated followers are snowed by it.
We're talking about politicians here. They fudge. They spin. They omit important details. They bloviate. It's the nature of the species. Trying to find a politician who doesn't do that is like trying to find an elephant without a trunk.
But good ones make it hard to separate the actual facts from the fluffy ones. They add enough spin to put a shine on the turd, but don't completely deny that the turd exists.
Trump, as he likes to keep saying, isn't a politician. He never learned how to do this. He's accomplished what he has in business by using "hyperbolic truth" which might work in a board room but doesn't work on a campaign trail, where thousands of people stand ready to pick apart your words.
He's an old dog - he can't change, or he would have changed already.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 12, 2016 8:36:50 GMT -5
"Ratings challenged @cnn reports so seriously that I call President Obama (and Clinton) "the founder" of ISIS, & MVP. THEY DON'T GET SARCASM?" Trump wrote. Oh, he used capital letters. Well, as every here on this message board knows, that makes it TRUE. (And, yes, that is actually sarcasm.) |
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 12, 2016 8:49:13 GMT -5
If most of the English speaking world doesn't get/understand when Trump is supposedly being sarcastic, how is the rest of the world going to interpret his comments.
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Post by tallguy on Aug 12, 2016 9:09:37 GMT -5
If most of the English speaking world doesn't get/understand when Trump is supposedly being sarcastic, how is the rest of the world going to interpret his comments. With either suicide bombers, airplanes, or pushing red buttons, I would guess. Depending on which part of the world, of course. |
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Post by Opti on Aug 12, 2016 9:11:51 GMT -5
Tenn, according to your link he's wasn't trying to be sarcastic. He's trying to recast it now, because he's probably gotten too much grief from his supporters.
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In an interview Trump did with conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt on Thursday morning, in which Hewitt attempted multiple times to get Trump to say he was being metaphorical or hyperbolic, Trump repeatedly refused -- and insisted he really meant Obama was a founder of ISIS.
Hewitt prodded Trump, suggesting the GOP nominee meant that Obama "created the vacuum, he lost the peace," and was not to be taken literally. But Trump objected.
"No, I meant he's the founder of ISIS. I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton," Trump said.
He's trying to blame the media, because he "changed" his mind on what he meant. |
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 12, 2016 9:37:26 GMT -5
If most of the English speaking world doesn't get/understand when Trump is supposedly being sarcastic, how is the rest of the world going to interpret his comments. If his comments have to be "explained" to native English speakers, then he clearly lacks the communicatipn skills for the world's hardest job. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 12, 2016 10:00:37 GMT -5
Tenn, according to your link he's wasn't trying to be sarcastic. He's trying to recast it now, because he's probably gotten too much grief from his supporters.
From your link-
In an interview Trump did with conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt on Thursday morning, in which Hewitt attempted multiple times to get Trump to say he was being metaphorical or hyperbolic, Trump repeatedly refused -- and insisted he really meant Obama was a founder of ISIS.
Hewitt prodded Trump, suggesting the GOP nominee meant that Obama "created the vacuum, he lost the peace," and was not to be taken literally. But Trump objected.
"No, I meant he's the founder of ISIS. I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton," Trump said.
He's trying to blame the media, because he "changed" his mind on what he meant. Oh I know he wasn't being sarcastic the other day. He was serious and had multiple opportunities to tell conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt he was being sarcastic. Hewett even kept feeding Trump the chance to say he was being sarcastic but Trump wouldn't budge. Now that he has been called out yet again for his comments, he's back tracking as usual. |
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Post by tallguy on Aug 12, 2016 10:08:57 GMT -5
If most of the English speaking world doesn't get/understand when Trump is supposedly being sarcastic, how is the rest of the world going to interpret his comments. If his comments have to be "explained" to native English speakers, then he clearly lacks the communicatipn skills for the world's hardest job. Hard to see how he could be misunderstood if he is already speaking at a 4th-grade level. Maybe his problem is that 4th-graders can't really do sarcasm.  (Some of us don't have that problem.)  |
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 12, 2016 11:33:39 GMT -5
Andy Borowitz writes satirical articles for The New Yorker magazine.  TRUMP SAYS HE WOULD ONLY USE NUCLEAR WEAPONS IN A SARCASTIC WAYBy Andy Borowitz , 10:33 A.M. NEW YORK (The Borowitz Report)—Clarifying his position on a key national-security issue, Donald Trump said on Friday that as President he would be willing to use nuclear weapons “but only in a sarcastic way.” “People who are worried about me having the nuclear launch codes should stop worrying, O.K.?” Trump told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer. “If I ever used nuclear weapons it would be really obvious that I was just being sarcastic.” Pressed by Blitzer to explain the difference between a sarcastic and non-sarcastic nuclear attack, Trump responded, “You’d use the weapons and everything, but then you’d say, ‘Just kidding.’” Trump did not specify which nations he would target for a sarcastic nuclear attack. “I can’t say right now,” he said. “But there are a lot of countries that need to lighten up.” TRUMP SAYS HE WOULD ONLY USE NUCLEAR WEAPONS IN A SARCASTIC WAY |
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 12, 2016 11:43:10 GMT -5
"Ratings challenged @cnn reports so seriously that I call President Obama (and Clinton) "the founder" of ISIS, & MVP. THEY DON'T GET SARCASM?" Trump wrote. Oh, he used capital letters. Well, as every here on this message board knows, that makes it TRUE. (And, yes, that is actually sarcasm.) was it sarcasm when he said that the statement was objectively true? |
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 12, 2016 11:44:45 GMT -5
If most of the English speaking world doesn't get/understand when Trump is supposedly being sarcastic, how is the rest of the world going to interpret his comments. the English speaking world is going to get tired of this ruse very quickly. words have meaning, and poorly chosen words are unpresidential. |
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Post by b2r on Aug 12, 2016 11:46:43 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 12, 2016 11:58:54 GMT -5
the longer Trump stays in the news for "crazy", the lower his odds slip.
i am moving Clinton back up to 7:2 today.
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Post by Opti on Aug 12, 2016 12:21:06 GMT -5
You guys gotta try the cold chai! You posted this on another thread. Odd, but does not look like a seizure. Next! |
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 12, 2016 12:27:32 GMT -5
... You posted this on another thread. Odd, but does not look like a seizure. Next! When you type "Next!", do you mean next subject or next thread on which this same video will be posted and claimed to be showing a seizure? |
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Post by Opti on Aug 12, 2016 12:29:32 GMT -5
... You posted this on another thread. Odd, but does not look like a seizure. Next! When you type "Next!", do you mean next subject or next thread on which this same video will be posted and claimed to be showing a seizure? Next! == moving on, next subject |
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Post by tallguy on Aug 12, 2016 12:34:45 GMT -5
In fairness, though, it could be either. This silliness does seem to be making the rounds. |
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