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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 20:27:18 GMT -5
Thanks milee I hope it's on again.
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Post by milee on Sept 5, 2016 20:40:43 GMT -5
BTW, if it sounds like I'm being critical of the Boulder police, I'm really not meaning to. I honestly think they were good people trying their very best, but were way out of their depth. Back then, Boulder was very small and quiet. The police there handled very few murders and really weren't trained or experienced enough to handle a case like this. They screwed up at many stages of the case, which is part of why evidence was destroyed or not gathered and IMHO a big part of why this case will never be solved... but they weren't malicious or incompetent, they were just way out of their experience level.
I think cases like this show what a really awful system having thousands of local police forces results in. Unless you live in a city that's large enough to have a police force that has a wide range of expertise, you and your family can really get hosed if you're the victim of an unusual crime. First you're the victim of the crime itself and then you're re-victimized as the local police bumble through the investigation.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 6, 2016 11:48:37 GMT -5
The show on last night was clearly biased, but I don't know if it was wrong. They didn't have any interviews that supported the Boulder PDs viewpoint. Maybe their reasoning is stronger than was represented.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Sept 6, 2016 11:56:29 GMT -5
BTW, if it sounds like I'm being critical of the Boulder police, I'm really not meaning to. I honestly think they were good people trying their very best, but were way out of their depth. Back then, Boulder was very small and quiet. The police there handled very few murders and really weren't trained or experienced enough to handle a case like this. They screwed up at many stages of the case, which is part of why evidence was destroyed or not gathered and IMHO a big part of why this case will never be solved... but they weren't malicious or incompetent, they were just way out of their experience level. I think cases like this show what a really awful system having thousands of local police forces results in. Unless you live in a city that's large enough to have a police force that has a wide range of expertise, you and your family can really get hosed if you're the victim of an unusual crime. First you're the victim of the crime itself and then you're re-victimized as the local police bumble through the investigation. Interesting. The local PD's near me tend to call in the state police for extra help with unusual to them cases.
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Post by giramomma on Sept 6, 2016 14:17:42 GMT -5
I'm wondering how the hell my life got so complicated.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Sept 6, 2016 14:18:46 GMT -5
I'm wondering how the hell my life got so complicated. Hugs.
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Post by giramomma on Sept 6, 2016 14:25:54 GMT -5
I'm wondering how the hell my life got so complicated. Hugs. It's all good. We went from a schedule that worked to a schedule that is now a clusterf*. Thankfully, everyone that I need to be flexible is willing to be flexible. It just stinks because we can't put the peanut in an activity that works with everyone else's schedule. This is the start of our third week at school. I am amazed at how many are doing things so last minute. I get it, because we face the same issues (multiple kids, multiple activities, multiple jobs.) But, sometimes I want to shake folks and say that last minute is just not cool. My family cannot just operate with two days notice on practice schedules, etc.
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Post by milee on Sept 6, 2016 14:29:00 GMT -5
BTW, if it sounds like I'm being critical of the Boulder police, I'm really not meaning to. I honestly think they were good people trying their very best, but were way out of their depth. Back then, Boulder was very small and quiet. The police there handled very few murders and really weren't trained or experienced enough to handle a case like this. They screwed up at many stages of the case, which is part of why evidence was destroyed or not gathered and IMHO a big part of why this case will never be solved... but they weren't malicious or incompetent, they were just way out of their experience level. I think cases like this show what a really awful system having thousands of local police forces results in. Unless you live in a city that's large enough to have a police force that has a wide range of expertise, you and your family can really get hosed if you're the victim of an unusual crime. First you're the victim of the crime itself and then you're re-victimized as the local police bumble through the investigation. Interesting. The local PD's near me tend to call in the state police for extra help with unusual to them cases. Then consider yourself super duper awesomely lucky that your local PDs have the insight to know what they don't know and the humility to not let their ego prevent them from asking for help. That is how it should be, but is actually pretty rare. Heck, our local police (city) and sheriff (county) forces get into pissing matches over jurisdiction and stupid things as an example.
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Post by tallguy on Sept 6, 2016 14:29:25 GMT -5
I'm wondering how the hell my life got so complicated. The word you were looking for is "enriched."
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Post by milee on Sept 6, 2016 14:32:42 GMT -5
This is the start of our third week at school. I am amazed at how many are doing things so last minute. I get it, because we face the same issues (multiple kids, multiple activities, multiple jobs.) But, sometimes I want to shake folks and say that last minute is just not cool. My family cannot just operate with two days notice on practice schedules, etc. I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one. So many of the school activities and even assignments seem to come up with only a day or two notice and I just say "no". My kids act like I'm the only parent who's not willing to cancel a board meeting and drive over to the grocery store/art supply store/practice field at 8 PM because we just found out about __________ . Do other parents really do this? Or, are they - as my kids insist - just willing to drop everything to make it happen or are waiting around just in case a class needs two dozen cupcakes the next morning? I find this hard to believe.
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Post by giramomma on Sept 6, 2016 15:03:22 GMT -5
I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one. So many of the school activities and even assignments seem to come up with only a day or two notice and I just say "no". My kids act like I'm the only parent who's not willing to cancel a board meeting and drive over to the grocery store/art supply store/practice field at 8 PM because we just found out about __________ . Do other parents really do this? Or, are they - as my kids insist - just willing to drop everything to make it happen or are waiting around just in case a class needs two dozen cupcakes the next morning? I find this hard to believe. What kills me is I had to ask when practice was ending. For many reasons, it's unreasonable to expect a parent get off of work before 3 and then sit around and watch newly minted teens (or close to it) practice. I'm trying hard to cut people slack. I don't like managing my personal life at work.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 6, 2016 15:14:26 GMT -5
This is the start of our third week at school. I am amazed at how many are doing things so last minute. I get it, because we face the same issues (multiple kids, multiple activities, multiple jobs.) But, sometimes I want to shake folks and say that last minute is just not cool. My family cannot just operate with two days notice on practice schedules, etc. I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one. So many of the school activities and even assignments seem to come up with only a day or two notice and I just say "no". My kids act like I'm the only parent who's not willing to cancel a board meeting and drive over to the grocery store/art supply store/practice field at 8 PM because we just found out about __________ . Do other parents really do this? Or, are they - as my kids insist - just willing to drop everything to make it happen or are waiting around just in case a class needs two dozen cupcakes the next morning? I find this hard to believe. Gwen does this as well. I chalk part of it up to the fact that she is only six years old, she doesn't understand how the work world works yet. What pisses me off is I get 40 million random crap emails about the Booster Club and library flyers thru the parent email list but they can't send us this stuff thru the chain? I KNOW the teachers have my email because they've emailed me before! Instead they get my kid all excited about it by giving her a flyer and leave me having to deal with the fall out. If they sent me IMPORTANT stuff thru the email chain we could try to arrange our schedules accordingly. WE could decide what to tell Gwen about so she's not pissed at us when we can't make something. Nope instead they give us at most 24 hours to respond and then I am left feeling like a crappy parent. I swear our school system still lives in 1955.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 6, 2016 15:20:35 GMT -5
BTW, if it sounds like I'm being critical of the Boulder police, I'm really not meaning to. I honestly think they were good people trying their very best, but were way out of their depth. Back then, Boulder was very small and quiet. The police there handled very few murders and really weren't trained or experienced enough to handle a case like this. They screwed up at many stages of the case, which is part of why evidence was destroyed or not gathered and IMHO a big part of why this case will never be solved... but they weren't malicious or incompetent, they were just way out of their experience level. I think cases like this show what a really awful system having thousands of local police forces results in. Unless you live in a city that's large enough to have a police force that has a wide range of expertise, you and your family can really get hosed if you're the victim of an unusual crime. First you're the victim of the crime itself and then you're re-victimized as the local police bumble through the investigation. I think the local police assumed the parents were involved because unfortunately, in a lot of cases like this, the parents ARE involved.
Instead of assuming nothing and looking at all the evidence presented, they started from the assumption the parents did it and worked to collect the evidence to support that.
Which is not unusual, either, in cases where a wife is suddenly missing/dead - police tend to assume the BF/DH did it, because most of the time, he did.
Unfortunately, by failing to remain open minded, they made some big mistakes and missed things like a smudge on the outside of the house near an open window and fingerprints on the same window that indicated the killer came in that way - instead they insisted the killer couldn't have come in through a window, which pointed to the killer being the Ramseys.
Very tragic case, made worse by the fact that the killer didn't get punished. I don't really blame the local cops, though - police in towns with low crime rates don't have the technical ability/manpower that big cities have. Certainly nothing like CSI shows would lead us to believe.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Sept 6, 2016 16:08:37 GMT -5
Interesting. The local PD's near me tend to call in the state policer for extra help with unusual to them cases. Then consider yourself super duper awesomely lucky that your local PDs have the insight to know what they don't know and the humility to not let their ego prevent them from asking for help. That is how it should be, but is actually pretty rare. Heck, our local police (city) and sheriff (county) forces get into pissing matches over jurisdiction and stupid things as an example. Well, my particular city is so small it really shouldn't even have it's own police force, but they do stoke their egos by stockpiling an unnecessary arsenal. (Think Mayberry with assault rifles.) The neighboring subburb is bigger, but still not that big. They're used to asking for help--there are mutual aid agreements amongst all the local municipalities for police and fire.
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Post by msventoux on Sept 6, 2016 21:33:38 GMT -5
Why is it that I ordered two items on the same date, and the very nice handcrafted leather item from Istanbul made it here before the mass produced item coming from Tennessee?
Why did a seller require a USPS signature upon delivery of a $65 item, but happily sent a $700 item without the same requirement so that the expensive item spent the day sitting on my porch and I now have to go to the postal annex tomorrow to pick up the cheaper item?
Did UPS and FedEx sync their schedules so they'd both show up in my driveway at the same time tonight? Why do I feel slightly guilty about that, like I'm cheating on one or the other?
Why do I have so much stuff coming to me? Have the cats been shopping online while I'm at work?
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Post by tractor on Sept 8, 2016 10:09:22 GMT -5
Why did I sign up for a PiYo class?
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Post by movingforward on Sept 8, 2016 10:17:52 GMT -5
Why did I sign up for a PiYo class? Because it is awesome!
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Post by giramomma on Sept 8, 2016 11:53:45 GMT -5
Apparently at work, a few folks want to have "spirit week" during homecoming week. They want spirit week to mimic what we had in high school, pajama day, specific class color day, etc.
So, if we have pj day, does that mean I can go into work naked? Serves them right to be subjected to have to look at me if they are really going to do this. I'll make sure to hide the eye bleach, too.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Sept 8, 2016 11:55:19 GMT -5
I didn't participate in "spirit week" in HS and I wouldn't be doing it at work, no matter what I get paid. I had a question last night I wanted to share and it got away. I've completely forgotten everything but that thought of posting it here. <<Sigh>>
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Sept 8, 2016 12:30:16 GMT -5
Then consider yourself super duper awesomely lucky that your local PDs have the insight to know what they don't know and the humility to not let their ego prevent them from asking for help. That is how it should be, but is actually pretty rare. Heck, our local police (city) and sheriff (county) forces get into pissing matches over jurisdiction and stupid things as an example. Well, my particular city is so small it really shouldn't even have it's own police force, but they do stoke their egos by stockpiling an unnecessary arsenal. (Think Mayberry with assault rifles.) The neighboring subburb is bigger, but still not that big. They're used to asking for help--there are mutual aid agreements amongst all the local municipalities for police and fire. The response to 911 calls in my own sleepy little town is sometimes so over-the-top-for-the-situation that we joke that they needed an excuse to use dusty equipment. Although, that said, we had a brutal murder here a few years ago. The local police did what they could, but the DA's office and the state police did the bulk of the detective work, I believe. We just didn't have the experience or the manpower. Hopefully, the locals were allowed to tag along and observe so they could learn something from the experience. In the end, however, a fellow resident found the victim's body the next day, so alot of the equipment stayed dusty.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 13:26:11 GMT -5
Apparently at work, a few folks want to have "spirit week" during homecoming week. They want spirit week to mimic what we had in high school, pajama day, specific class color day, etc. So, if we have pj day, does that mean I can go into work naked? Serves them right to be subjected to have to look at me if they are really going to do this. I'll make sure to hide the eye bleach, too. Do you think they would really dress the role? They might tell you they are, but then not do it!
Then you would be naked and alone.
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Post by tractor on Sept 8, 2016 15:32:51 GMT -5
Why did I sign up for a PiYo class? Because it is awesome! I hope you're right, because if I hate it I can now blame you! They are offering it free through work, should I wear zoombas or yoga pants? It's so hard to decide.
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Post by movingforward on Sept 8, 2016 15:57:45 GMT -5
I hope you're right, because if I hate it I can now blame you! They are offering it free through work, should I wear zoombas or yoga pants? It's so hard to decide. I generally wear yoga pants
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Post by Artemis Windsong on Sept 8, 2016 16:01:41 GMT -5
I was cruising through Walmart and it's $3 clearance deals. A turquoise polo style shirt. Just what I wanted and in my size. I get it home, try it one, YIKES. It's slim fit which is not a good look for me unless I have perfect posture and yada, yada. It's still in my closet.
Maybe a layer piece.
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Post by tractor on Sept 8, 2016 16:49:38 GMT -5
I hope you're right, because if I hate it I can now blame you! They are offering it free through work, should I wear zoombas or yoga pants? It's so hard to decide. I generally wear yoga pants Are those still acceptable fashion for men?
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Post by movingforward on Sept 8, 2016 16:55:07 GMT -5
I generally wear yoga pants Are those still acceptable fashion for men? LOL! Some of the ladies in the class might find it appealing. I go more for the basketball shorts look myself.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Sept 8, 2016 17:21:58 GMT -5
I didn't participate in "spirit week" in HS and I wouldn't be doing it at work, no matter what I get paid. I had a question last night I wanted to share and it got away. I've completely forgotten everything but that thought of posting it here. <<Sigh>> Think real hard and it will come to ME and I'll post it for you.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Sept 9, 2016 8:58:02 GMT -5
I didn't participate in "spirit week" in HS and I wouldn't be doing it at work, no matter what I get paid. I had a question last night I wanted to share and it got away. I've completely forgotten everything but that thought of posting it here. <<Sigh>> Think real hard and it will come to ME and I'll post it for you. Did you get it?
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Post by NoNamePerson on Sept 9, 2016 9:07:17 GMT -5
Think real hard and it will come to ME and I'll post it for you. Did you get it? You must not have been thinking hard enough or I got it and forgot
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Sept 9, 2016 9:10:12 GMT -5
Did you get it? You must not have been thinking hard enough or I got it and forgot Either one is possible
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