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Post by Tiny on Apr 13, 2016 14:35:34 GMT -5
Maybe it comes down to how much knowledge/many skills you retain from your previous job - which makes you consider yourself still an X professional. Maybe it's how much of that knowledge/skills are applicable to day to day life. I bet ex- plumbers, mechanics, and teachers probably consider themselves to still be those 'professions' even after they no long work those jobs -- just like the SAHM who use to work as a nurse.
The thing about jobs is that sometimes they instill a mind set... and that's the way you see the world. I know how I go about solving problems at work overflows into everyday life...
I bet a no longer working in the profession nurse - still looks at health issues/problems the same way they did when they were working.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2016 14:37:52 GMT -5
NPL. How can you say you aren't in quality control at home? How do you choose your chicken feed? Those chickens are nice looking. Quality. I'm CEO at home.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Apr 13, 2016 14:38:16 GMT -5
Surprisingly to a lot of people WV has some pretty strict rules for professional licenses. When I got my hair done a lady was talking about how she started in Pennsylvania because they only required like 1250 hours and WV required 1800 hours to get an initial license.
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Post by 973beachbum on Apr 13, 2016 14:38:49 GMT -5
You guys are getting all bugged down with this particular woman and the whole licensing, credentials things I just find it interesting that people seem to try to hold on to their "work" identities. It seems most of you would still identify yourself with your profession even after you retired, changed fields or stopped working for whatever reason. And I am very curious as to why that is. Clearly you have never met a Marine.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Apr 13, 2016 14:39:42 GMT -5
I would think she would say I'm a nurse if she's maintaining her license/plans to go back. That's why I'm hung up on the licensing piece. Otherwise I would think it's I used to be a nurse before I had kids.
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Post by Opti on Apr 13, 2016 14:54:41 GMT -5
I think it also may depend on happy she is with being a stay at home Mom versus being a nurse.
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Post by greeniis10 on Apr 13, 2016 15:25:58 GMT -5
Maybe her kids have been sick recently and/or she's caring for parents or in-laws and she still FEELS like a nurse. However, whether or not she was offended is her issue, not yours OP. I don't think your response to her was wrong at all and she should have at least acknowledged the part where you praised her for her job. Maybe she was having a bad day.
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Post by teen persuasion on Apr 13, 2016 18:51:56 GMT -5
LOL, it sounds like she gets a lot of shit for being a SAHM so now she says she is a nurse.
You definitely offended her! Even on my year off, I just said "I'm taking a year off". I don't admit my profession to random people unless I have to!
Except it sounds like she was pretty up-front about the fact she's a SAHM.
I'll start by saying I'm not sure what kind of professional designations nurses have, and if they still have it when they aren't working.
It could simply be a case where technically she still IS a nurse. For example, if I were a medical doctor, I would continue being a medical doctor even if I weren't working (I think). So I could tell you I'm not working, but that I used to do X. If you said "Oh you used to be a doctor", I'd probably correct you that I actually am still a medical doctor...not because I'm tied to that as a thing...just because it's not technically accurate to say I used to be a doctor.
I think that only works for some things...you can't say "I'm still a cashier, I just don't work"...because the only thing that makes you a cashier is actually being employed as a cashier. Lots of jobs/distinctions aren't actually tied to you being employed as "that thing" though. Some things you achieve and then they just stick with you...like if you graduate HS you didn't "used to be a high school graduate"...you still are. If I correct someone, it's not necessarily because I'm offended, but because what they said is weird and not accurate (and I think for those who have those designations, it sounds weird).
Again, I don't know how nurses work and whether you remain being a nurse or if there are requirements to be actively employed to retain whatever it is you need to be a nurse.
And then there's the other side - if you don't have the credentials, you can't call yourself x. I work in a library, do just about every task there, but I don't have the MLIS degree, so I am NOT a librarian. Until recently, none of the library staff were librarians at all, technically. I'm not really sure what to call my job. Library clerk really downplays it, as does library assistant. Previously the director half jokingly said she should upgrade my title from Children's services to Youth services (since I did preschool story hour, Summer Reading Program, and Teen programs). Now I'm dubbed IT Specialist. The other main staff member is Local Historian. These titles really just reflect the side duties we've taken on, not our main library duties, though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2016 19:01:05 GMT -5
A friend stay at home mom is the one who gets to assess any falls etc and answer 'those' questions... Why? She's a nurse. No she's not currently working. There is a girl at co/op who needs a lot of intervention. Guess who gets to work with her most, communicate with mom and plan and implement interventions. Me. The special Ed teacher. Although I'm not emplyed currently. I do think there are jobs, as others have said, that include a knowledge base and are, I don't know, incorporated into your being? ...
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Post by DagnyT on Apr 13, 2016 19:09:51 GMT -5
Except it sounds like she was pretty up-front about the fact she's a SAHM.
I'll start by saying I'm not sure what kind of professional designations nurses have, and if they still have it when they aren't working.
It could simply be a case where technically she still IS a nurse. For example, if I were a medical doctor, I would continue being a medical doctor even if I weren't working (I think). So I could tell you I'm not working, but that I used to do X. If you said "Oh you used to be a doctor", I'd probably correct you that I actually am still a medical doctor...not because I'm tied to that as a thing...just because it's not technically accurate to say I used to be a doctor.
I think that only works for some things...you can't say "I'm still a cashier, I just don't work"...because the only thing that makes you a cashier is actually being employed as a cashier. Lots of jobs/distinctions aren't actually tied to you being employed as "that thing" though. Some things you achieve and then they just stick with you...like if you graduate HS you didn't "used to be a high school graduate"...you still are. If I correct someone, it's not necessarily because I'm offended, but because what they said is weird and not accurate (and I think for those who have those designations, it sounds weird).
Again, I don't know how nurses work and whether you remain being a nurse or if there are requirements to be actively employed to retain whatever it is you need to be a nurse.
And then there's the other side - if you don't have the credentials, you can't call yourself x. I work in a library, do just about every task there, but I don't have the MLIS degree, so I am NOT a librarian. Until recently, none of the library staff were librarians at all, technically. I'm not really sure what to call my job. Library clerk really downplays it, as does library assistant. Previously the director half jokingly said she should upgrade my title from Children's services to Youth services (since I did preschool story hour, Summer Reading Program, and Teen programs). Now I'm dubbed IT Specialist. The other main staff member is Local Historian. These titles really just reflect the side duties we've taken on, not our main library duties, though. Teen Persuasion, I'm giving you a must deserved title: Chief Knowledge Executive.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Apr 13, 2016 21:29:30 GMT -5
All I know is that her response reminded me of SAHMs who consider themselves nurses/drivers/chefs/entertainment directors etc and think they should be making $5M a year.
I always really liked my jobs and spent many years and countless hours doing it, but I never told anyone I was still an accountant once I stopped doing it.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Apr 13, 2016 21:35:53 GMT -5
Hmmm...lots of sub-topics here.
Yes, I believe Americans absolutely tie their identity into their job or profession. I believe this applies to men much more than women though.
Credentials are big deal to those of us who have earned them. Not just anyone can go in and apply for a nursing position, a teaching position, etc. Licensure is a big deal when it is a career about which you are passionate.
Regarding is she presently a nurse? Am I a teacher in the summer if I'm not actually teaching? I currently have a professional license to be a school administrator. If someone calls me this evening and asks me to cover their building tomorrow as an admin, I can legally do that. However, I am not currently a principal; I am a teacher.
I spent six years teaching. I spent five years in administration. I never didn't feel like a teacher. I almost always told strangers I was a teacher the five years I wasn't teaching.
On the first day of the school year for staff, there was a whole district meeting--typical throughout the country. New employees are introduced. I had a panic attack (which I was able to hide from strangers but not from people who know me well) during the introductions. I was no longer a principal and it was official in front of hundreds of people. Huge hit to my ego; I felt like a failure. No one else believes I am a failure. It is quite obvious that my previous school and its district is in a tail-spin and nearing catastrophe. The school's failure is because it has lost its cohesiveness that I had created the previous three years, and because the current principal is completely incompetent. The district's failure is because the superintendent has lost his mind--literally--and is taking the district down with him.
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Post by msventoux on Apr 13, 2016 21:56:29 GMT -5
I spent a lot of time, effort and money to get an education in my field and get licensed. I've spent a lot of time, effort and money on continuing education to maintain and improve my skills to keep my license in good standing. If I was taking a temporary hiatus from my work, even a few years, I would still identify myself as being in my profession, even when I wasn't actively working. If there wasn't the licensing component and years of effort and expense I probably wouldn't worry about it.
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Post by quince on Apr 13, 2016 22:10:55 GMT -5
Husband is a programmer, employed or not. He's only a lead engineer or whatever when employed, though.
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Post by swamp on Apr 13, 2016 22:41:43 GMT -5
You guys are getting all bugged down with this particular woman and the whole licensing, credentials things I just find it interesting that people seem to try to hold on to their "work" identities. It seems most of you would still identify yourself with your profession even after you retired, changed fields or stopped working for whatever reason. And I am very curious as to why that is. Because the credentials make her a nurse. It it was clear that she stays home with her kids. You asked if she used to be a nurse. Because if her credentials, she IS a nurse, she just chooses not to work. I get what she's saying. I don't think it's work identity, it's technically correct.
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Post by ❤ mollymouser ❤ on Apr 13, 2016 23:38:55 GMT -5
When people ask what I do for a living, I usually smile and tell them that I post kitten pictures on the internet. (Which, amazingly enough, what I have been doing for the past five years .... I handle Facebook and fundraising for The Cat House on the Kings cat rescue and sanctuary ~ a California 501c3 nonprofit.)
Mainly because I don't want people I barely know soliciting free legal advice from me, I don't often mention that I'm also a licensed California attorney, with a Juris Doctorate degree and a pair of Bachelor's Degrees under my belt. I will say that being a housewife doesn't impress very many people, and some people tend to dismiss me under the assumption that I'm not very educated. And while a few more people think the work I do in cat rescue is great ~ it still doesn't garner the instant respect (or derision, depending on what they think of attorneys) that mentioning my 15 years' experience as a trial attorney. Even though I am not currently actively practicing law, the State Bar of California requires that I write them a nice big check every February even to be on "inactive" status with them. If I stop paying, I lose my law license. To change from inactive status to active status just takes about $400 more and then I'm instantly allowed to practice again. Do I self-identify as a wife? I do. Do I self-identify as a cat rescuer? I do. Do I self-identify as an attorney? (or former attorney?) Once in a while. Am I offended if someone does differently or thinks I'm silly in my beliefs? Not at all.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Apr 13, 2016 23:41:02 GMT -5
OK, this is going to be one of those things that is not meant for me to understand.
Thanks for the input.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Apr 13, 2016 23:46:34 GMT -5
OK, this is going to be one of those things that is not meant for me to understand. Thanks for the input. And you have the education that we're talking about. I cannot at the moment if you have obtained your CPA license yet.
I think the difference in interpretation might be a combination of cultural background and personality.
I was taught two major philosophies growing up: 1) I was going to college to be something. 2)Anything less than perfection is failure.
Those philosophies are so incredibly ingrained in me it is impossible to remove them.
In your upbringing was there an emphasis on what you were going to "be" professionally?
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Apr 14, 2016 0:08:51 GMT -5
OK, this is going to be one of those things that is not meant for me to understand. Thanks for the input. And you have the education that we're talking about. I cannot at the moment if you have obtained your CPA license yet.
I think the difference in interpretation might be a combination of cultural background and personality.
I was taught two major philosophies growing up: 1) I was going to college to be something. 2)Anything less than perfection is failure.
Those philosophies are so incredibly ingrained in me it is impossible to remove them.
In your upbringing was there an emphasis on what you were going to "be" professionally?Sure. It was ingrained in me that I will have to have a profession but it was so I could support myself and not "to be something". And no, no one expect any perfection out of me - they knew better, I am way too lazy for that May be it's cultural, may be it's personality, I don't know. I just find it very strange hearing someone say I am "x" if they are not even doing that anymore. To me it seems like they are trying to hold on to something.
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Post by yogiii on Apr 14, 2016 5:52:44 GMT -5
If the conversation had started out "I am a nurse" and then I eventually found out she was a SAHM, I would just assumed she works an occasional shift, or is a full time nurse but is also able to juggle her schedule to be a SAHM too (I know someone like that who works opposite her husband so the kids are always home with one parent). I wouldn't have questioned anything.
It's the fact that she felt the need to clarify to a stranger (I am ... not I was) that seems a little odd to me, only because if it was me I would have let that go.
But I guess I also am someone who will not understand, and that's fine.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 6:54:44 GMT -5
If you are working as a nurse, are you a nurse in your off hours? If you are only working one shift a month? If you only volunteer at an event? At what point are you 'a nurse' and when do you cross over to 'not a nurse'? Where is the line?
When someone falls down in a restaurant, and they say, is there a doctor in the house? Is it technically not true if no one is on the clock? Does a retired doctor count?
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Post by Miss Tequila on Apr 14, 2016 7:05:09 GMT -5
I find it bizarre but then again I don't find my self-worth in my career. I actually don't even usually tell people I'm a CPA because right away they think I am a source for free tax advice! If I were to retire tomorrow I would probably still keep up my continuing education to keep my license because you never know but I would never get my feathers ruffled if someone said that I used to be a CPA. Being licensed as a CPA is not the same as a practicing CPA. Being licensed as a nurse is not the same as being a practicing nurse. I would actually find it more sad that the woman had to hang on to being a nurse. I can't wait until I can announce "I DON"T WORK"!
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Post by steph08 on Apr 14, 2016 7:06:22 GMT -5
Will you still be a Mom after your kids are grown and moved out of the house?
As I said before, I am aware that my identity and self-worth are perhaps a little too tied to what I do for a living, but, like it or not, about 1/3 of my life is spent as my work identity. On a week day, I leave my house at 6:30am and don't get back until 5pm - so that's 10.5 hours of a day when I am up 17 hours -so over half of my waking day on weekdays. And those are just the hours when I'm "at work". Because I work in higher education and for a very respected department (our field is not super well known, but if you know our field, you know my department), I get asked a lot of questions about my work and my department even when I am not at work. Considering that I am at home during hours that my daughter and I are both awake less than 50 hours a week, I actually spend more of my time actively doing my job than I do being a mom. But once Pop Tart graduates high school and moves out, no one will think I should say "I used to be a mom".
But again, in the case of people who work in certain professions, licensing matters. If they are currently licensed, they are "that" even if they aren't employed doing it. Because the license is what matters on both the legal and ethical front.
No, but if you are a stay at home mom, and your kid moves out, then you are no longer a stay at home mom.
Then you are a stay at home spouse.
Then if you get divorced, then you're just a stay at home bum.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Apr 14, 2016 7:11:59 GMT -5
But that got me thinking - do people define themselves as whatever profession they had even if they are no longer doing it?
Absolutely. Just because you do not actually do the work right now does not mean that you don't have the credentials to pick it back up. I still see myself as a scientist, and likely will be until the end of my days. Whether or not that changes if I actually manage to get a job in drafting, I don't know. But it doesn't ameliorate the fact that my degree and experience backs me up being a scientist, just like her education and experience backs her up for being a nurse. Because she is not doing it NOW doesn't mean a damn thing. On a side topic, I've been wondering lately, "what is a scientist." To me, a scientist is someone who does scientific research, as part of a team or solo. But a lot of people consider me a scientist, even though I don't. Just because my job title is "health physicist" and I have a bachelors In physics doesn't make me a scientist. I'm more of a regulator/occupational safety and health specialist. Same with my dad, a meteorologist who forecasts weather. Just seems like to most people assume anyone with a science degree or works in a job/organization that has uses science in their job is a scientist.
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Post by 973beachbum on Apr 14, 2016 7:36:12 GMT -5
If the conversation had started out "I am a nurse" and then I eventually found out she was a SAHM, I would just assumed she works an occasional shift, or is a full time nurse but is also able to juggle her schedule to be a SAHM too (I know someone like that who works opposite her husband so the kids are always home with one parent). I wouldn't have questioned anything.
It's the fact that she felt the need to clarify to a stranger (I am ... not I was) that seems a little odd to me, only because if it was me I would have let that go.
But I guess I also am someone who will not understand, and that's fine. But in this case it wasn't the other person who felt the need to clarify that it was past, it was the OP. the woman said she used to work at X hospital as a nurse but didn't work anymore. The op clearly said she said "so you were a nurse". If it isn't important than why even make the point to clarify that it is in the past? I probably would have let it go with a person I didn't know but I understand why she did say it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 7:39:35 GMT -5
Will you still be a Mom after your kids are grown and moved out of the house?
As I said before, I am aware that my identity and self-worth are perhaps a little too tied to what I do for a living, but, like it or not, about 1/3 of my life is spent as my work identity. On a week day, I leave my house at 6:30am and don't get back until 5pm - so that's 10.5 hours of a day when I am up 17 hours -so over half of my waking day on weekdays. And those are just the hours when I'm "at work". Because I work in higher education and for a very respected department (our field is not super well known, but if you know our field, you know my department), I get asked a lot of questions about my work and my department even when I am not at work. Considering that I am at home during hours that my daughter and I are both awake less than 50 hours a week, I actually spend more of my time actively doing my job than I do being a mom. But once Pop Tart graduates high school and moves out, no one will think I should say "I used to be a mom".
But again, in the case of people who work in certain professions, licensing matters. If they are currently licensed, they are "that" even if they aren't employed doing it. Because the license is what matters on both the legal and ethical front.
No, but if you are a stay at home mom, and your kid moves out, then you are no longer a stay at home mom.
Then you are a stay at home spouse.
Then if you get divorced, then you're just a stay at home bum.
So, her job title might change, but who she is, a mom, does not... So then I guess the question is, is it pathetic/needy/stupid to incorporate a profession's knowledge and philosophy into who you are... I'm going with no personally. I think it's perfectly ok if you do or if you don't.
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Post by giramomma on Apr 14, 2016 8:31:21 GMT -5
Some of my old students had moms that were lawyers turned SAHMs. One of my clients was also was into doing high level research until she had her child. They never even talked to me about their pre-child lives until I was pregnant and had DS. At that point, I was teaching many of them in their houses...on a weekly basis, for 1-2 years. What I'm trying to say is I had much more intimacy with them than a random stranger, and they really never chose to talk about it.
When we did meet and greets the moms did not say "I'm a lawyer who is currently SAH until my kids get to be 5"..(And BTW, the families that I worked with, had kids older than 5, and mom didn't go back to her lawyering. My mom that did research did go back and work on a very limited basis in her husband's lab.)
And, then there's the moms at my kids' school. One of the room moms I partnered with one year used to be a teacher pre-kids. She never called herself a teacher, even though she has been out of the workforce for a decade or so now, and contemplating returning in the next year or two.
I don't define myself by my career or jobs. My work is what I do to obtain legal tender, not who I am. I do not find work to be the most meaningful part of my life. If you ask me about myself, generally the first thing I say is I'm a mom of three. I'll talk about the other kids I get to work with..not from a teacher standpoint, but from a "I have gotten the opportunity to know some really cool kids" standpoint.
Then I'll talk about work, usually teaching first, and my dayjob last.
So, I think how we refer to ourselves speaks more about our personalities, needs, wants, and desire over anything else.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 14, 2016 9:42:00 GMT -5
But that got me thinking - do people define themselves as whatever profession they had even if they are no longer doing it?
Absolutely. Just because you do not actually do the work right now does not mean that you don't have the credentials to pick it back up. I still see myself as a scientist, and likely will be until the end of my days. Whether or not that changes if I actually manage to get a job in drafting, I don't know. But it doesn't ameliorate the fact that my degree and experience backs me up being a scientist, just like her education and experience backs her up for being a nurse. Because she is not doing it NOW doesn't mean a damn thing. On a side topic, I've been wondering lately, "what is a scientist." To me, a scientist is someone who does scientific research, as part of a team or solo. But a lot of people consider me a scientist, even though I don't. Just because my job title is "health physicist" and I have a bachelors In physics doesn't make me a scientist. I'm more of a regulator/occupational safety and health specialist. Same with my dad, a meteorologist who forecasts weather. Just seems like to most people assume anyone with a science degree or works in a job/organization that has uses science in their job is a scientist. I think it is also a state of mind. Despite the fact I haven't walked into a research lab since Dec. 2011, I read everything in the field I can get my hands on and have put out 2 journal articles. I don't DO right now, but I can troubleshoot from a distance, so help out there. So does the fact that I don't DO any more take away from the fact that I have 30+ years of education and experience as a scientist that I share, just like I would if I was at the bench! My boss is a PhD and dean and he rarely steps into the lab any more. He hasn't DONE since 1987 or so. Deans are more administrators. So does him being in administrative meetings and classrooms make him less of a scientist?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 14:17:42 GMT -5
And personally I don't think if you call yourself a nurse or a teacher or whatever, that means work is the most important part if your life.. Obviously not if they are taking a break from being employed.. It means they internalize the knowledge and philosophy inherent in their profession. I'll always be a teacher. Whether I'm currently being compensated in a formal salary arrangement for that or not. In fact me being a teacher has so little to do with how much I define myself by 'a job', that I don't even need one ... That doesn't stop me teaching whenever the opportunity arises.
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Post by imawino on Apr 14, 2016 15:25:17 GMT -5
I too find it pretty strange and indicative of an insecurity about her current life choices to feel compelled to make that sort of clarification to a stranger.
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