Ideal Conceal - a gun designed to look like a cellphone

[siralynn]

A gun designed to look like a cellphone idealconceal.com/

<sarcasm> I'm sure nothing could possibly go wrong with that....</sarcasm>

[Opti]

Luckily you have to open it to fire it, so probably will only up toddler and child deaths a little.

[happyhoix]

I'm wondering how frightened an attacker would be if I threatened him with my cellphone gun?

Of course, I would be the person who grabbed my actual cell phone and the attacker would cut my throat while I tried to shoot him with my real phone. Probably laughing as he did so.

[Opti]

Mar 30, 2016 10:37:02 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I'm wondering how frightened an attacker would be if I threatened him with my cellphone gun?

Of course, I would be the person who grabbed my actual cell phone and the attacker would cut my throat while I tried to shoot him with my real phone. Probably laughing as he did so.

I don't think they are going for the deterrent angle. You shoot the person and deal with the legal fallout later is my guess.

[Artemis Windsong]

The link didn't work.

Years ago there was a one shot credit card size.  The idea is to get away from the attacker.
First step is avoidance but that is not always possible.

[happyhoix]

Mar 30, 2016 10:40:37 GMT -5 Opti said:

Mar 30, 2016 10:37:02 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I'm wondering how frightened an attacker would be if I threatened him with my cellphone gun?

Of course, I would be the person who grabbed my actual cell phone and the attacker would cut my throat while I tried to shoot him with my real phone. Probably laughing as he did so.

I don't think they are going for the deterrent angle. You shoot the person and deal with the legal fallout later is my guess.

I still have visions of myself pointing my real phone and going 'phew phew phew.'

This is why I never became a paid assassin.

[mroped]

The best concealment I've seen for a pistol was a wallet or what it looks like. Inside it was a Berreta 26 cal. Gives a new meaning to the "Give me your wallet!"

[gregintenn]

Mar 30, 2016 10:52:36 GMT -5 mroped said:

The best concealment I've seen for a pistol was a wallet or what it looks like. Inside it was a Berreta 26 cal. Gives a new meaning to the "Give me your wallet!"

Hi Standard once made a double "Derringer" type handgun in 22 lr and 22 WMR. You could purchase an optional "wallet" holster for them. They were high quality, and thus are quite the collectable today.

[mroped]

I have a friend that has at least four Derringers that look like they could fit a wallet and some weird 10 shot 22 cal that looks like a compass. Has the trigger on the thumb and the rounds are on a circular pattern. I was told that was Capone's weapon of choice

[ktunes]

i have a .45 that looks like a .45...

[gregintenn]

Apr 2, 2016 2:43:33 GMT -5 ktunes said:

i have a .45 that looks like a .45...

Me too!

[mroped]

And today I decided to put pants on in the morning!

[Shooby]

  I have a .38 sp Smith and Wesson.  But, it is a bit bulky to conceal.  I am concerned that some of the smaller guns don't have enough fire power if i ever had to use it.  I am thinking of 9mm.  I really like the Kimber.

[gregintenn]

Apr 2, 2016 9:52:33 GMT -5 Shooby said:

  I have a .38 sp Smith and Wesson.  But, it is a bit bulky to conceal.  I am concerned that some of the smaller guns don't have enough fire power if i ever had to use it.  I am thinking of 9mm.  I really like the Kimber.

There's a Ruger LCP 380 in my pocket pretty much anytime I have pants on. I really like it and it's easily concealable. With a bit of practice, I'm able to shoot it with surprising accuracy.

I don't own a 9mm Kimber, but the SOLO looks pretty cool.

[mroped]

A 9mm is just slightly smaller than a .38cal since translated a 9mm would be a .36something. 
When you think of it, in all reality, any fire weapon has enough power to damage an attacker. The projectile travels at a speed of minimum 2200 ft/second which is high enough to throw on individual backwards a bit and produce enough tissue damage to slow or stop them at a closer range.
A bigger caliber- .38, 40, 45- has more impact and are more accurate at a greater distance -20 maybe 30 yards- but at a close range all pistols/revolvers are just as good.

There are some 9mm that are pretty sweet looking and they are designed for concealment but I consider that to be too much firepower for the purpose.
If I were to pick a weapon for concealment, I'd probably go with a .26, a .30 or a .32.
They have enough power and they are realy easy to conceal.

[gregintenn]

Apr 2, 2016 10:14:49 GMT -5 mroped said:

A 9mm is just slightly smaller than a .38cal since translated a 9mm would be a .36something. 
When you think of it, in all reality, any fire weapon has enough power to damage an attacker. The projectile travels at a speed of minimum 2200 ft/second which is high enough to throw on individual backwards a bit and produce enough tissue damage to slow or stop them at a closer range.
A bigger caliber- .38, 40, 45- has more impact and are more accurate at a greater distance -20 maybe 30 yards- but at a close range all pistols/revolvers are just as good.

There are some 9mm that are pretty sweet looking and they are designed for concealment but I consider that to be too much firepower for the purpose.
If I were to pick a weapon for concealment, I'd probably go with a .26, a .30 or a .32.
They have enough power and they are realy easy to conceal.

Actually, a 38 special fires a .357 dia projectile, while a 9mm fires a .355 diameter bullet. They are virtually identical in size.

The 380 acp is just a 9mm with a shorter case. In my opinion, they are a good compromise between concealibility and firepower.

A handgun projectile, or most rifle projectiles for that matter will not "throw an individual backwards". A handgun isn't really a good weapon to stop a nefarious individual, but it is portable and concealable, so you'll likely have it with you when you need it. This beats not having anything available.

Were I going somewhere I thought I'd actually need a gun, first off I'd stay home, I'd have a rifle.

[mroped]

"throw an individual backwards" not as in physically pushing them back but as in stop advancement for a split second while inflicting quite the pain. 
To literally throw someone back when you shoot them you'd probably need some 7ga shotgun or maybe bigger?

I never shot a 38 special and I have no idea what a 380acp is
And im of the same opinion: do I need a gun if I wanna go? Than no thanks! I'll stay home!

[gregintenn]

Apr 2, 2016 10:40:32 GMT -5 mroped said:

"throw an individual backwards" not as in physically pushing them back but as in stop advancement for a split second while inflicting quite the pain. 
To literally throw someone back when you shoot them you'd probably need some 7ga shotgun or maybe bigger?

I never shot a 38 special and I have no idea what a 380acp is
And im of the same opinion: do I need a gun if I wanna go? Than no thanks! I'll stay home!

If you ever find yourself in middle Tennessee, you are welcome to come by here and give them both a try.

[mroped]

I might take you up on that Greg! Thanks!

I have mentioned on a diferent thread that I know an individual with a vast collection of weapons. It just happens that he passed a few months ago and his step son inherited his collection. It also just happens that the son owes me a decent amount of money which I was hoping would cover some labor for the house that I'm about to build since he is an excelent electrician and plumber. Sadly I just found that lately he's been hitting up the bottle pretty hard and last time when I seen him, while he was showing me some pistols and revolvers he told me that I could have a pick from the collection.
After I found about the drinking I started pondering the idea of exacting my money in weapons and I kinda set my heart on an original 1911 Army Colt revolver, 45cal and then there is an Austrian made sharp shooter rifle made in 1863 that is in a rougher shape. Oester or something like that that needs a bolt in the adjustments for rear sites.
He just said that he is not willing to let go of any of the weapons( at least 100 pistols and revolvers and at least as many rifles and shot guns) but he might have to due to his failing health.
That is where I have a bit of a conscience conflict asking myself if it is morally right to do it or not. Or am I just taking advantage of a bad situation that somebody else is in.
I am at an impasse but I don't see any other realistic way of recovering what is owed to me.

What would any of you do?

[Deleted]

if we are going to talk about guns, I want to suggest that anyone interested in guns should go to an Appleseed  shoot.  I would bet money that 95% of people who go to an Appleseed shoot have a good time and learn something. That would include people who are very proficient with guns and those with no experience or even a bit of fear of guns. 

The way Appleseed works:  it is a two day training, you go Saturday and Sunday.  You will learn to shoot a rifle to military standards, using older style military targets.  You can take whatever rifle you want, but most people use a 22.  It is very safe, they stress safety and watch for safety.  You will shoot at targets at 25 yards.  It used to cost $75 for two day, women and children went free, though I think women pay now.  It is a lot of fun.

If you  like guns you should go, if you want to know more about guns you should go.  If you have a friend who is a bit squemish about gun you should take him/her.

I think it is one of the most pro-guns, pro safety of guns things a person can do.

appleseedinfo.org/

eta: I said 95%, I have never met anyone who went to one who did not like it and learn from it.  I just said 95% because I dont think people will believe 100%.

[Deleted]

Apr 2, 2016 10:07:01 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

Apr 2, 2016 9:52:33 GMT -5 Shooby said:

  I have a .38 sp Smith and Wesson.  But, it is a bit bulky to conceal.  I am concerned that some of the smaller guns don't have enough fire power if i ever had to use it.  I am thinking of 9mm.  I really like the Kimber.

There's a Ruger LCP 380 in my pocket pretty much anytime I have pants on. I really like it and it's easily concealable. With a bit of practice, I'm able to shoot it with surprising accuracy.

I don't own a 9mm Kimber, but the SOLO looks pretty cool.

Do you carry at work?  Do they care or not know?  Have you ever carried that particular gun inside an ankle holster inside your boot?  I particularly would like to know what you think of carrying in an ankle holster in your boot.

[milee]

Apr 2, 2016 9:52:33 GMT -5 Shooby said:

  I have a .38 sp Smith and Wesson.  But, it is a bit bulky to conceal.  I am concerned that some of the smaller guns don't have enough fire power if i ever had to use it.  I am thinking of 9mm.  I really like the Kimber.

We have a lot in 9mm since that's the required caliber for PSA competitions. Of all the 9 mm ones DH owns, I like the Walther PPQ (not PPK) the most.  It's a reasonable size, very comfy in my smaller hand, rarely jams, is smooth and well behaved.  You might like it.

Here's one review that describes it pretty well:

TTAG has a reputation for hard-hitting, no holds barred reviews. That’s why it pains me to tell you that this review is pretty much the same kind of slobbering lovefest that you’d expect from industry glossies. But after spending six months and well over 3,000 rounds running the Walther PPQ M2, Jeremy and I could find precious little to complain about. Even my quibbles amount to nothing more than minor personal preference issues. So without further ado, let me tell you why I think the Walther PPQ M2 is one of the best of the polymer wonder 9s . . .
....
While the PPQ is technically a polymer refinement of the P99 series of pistols, at its heart the Walther PPQ is more or less a GLOCK clone in terms of function and general mechanics. Striker fired? Check. Polymer frame? Check. Double stack mag? Check. GLOCK-esque trigger safety? Check. Lack of manual safety? Check. But if the GLOCK is, as they claim, “Perfection,” the PPQ M2 is “Perfection2”. The Walther has better ergonomics, a better trigger, better (ambidextrous!) operator controls, easier disassembly, and definitely better aesthetics. And did I mention the better aesthetics?!

....

I’ll start with the one aspect of this gun that really sets it apart from the pack: the trigger. Walther calls it the “quick-defense trigger.” They could have called it the “we basically copied GLOCK” trigger; it has the same basic look and function as a GLOCK trigger right down to the trigger bar safety. Only thing is, from a performance standpoint, Walther significantly improved upon the venerable GLOCK design. It’s a light, crisp trigger – the test sample measured right under 5 lbs – but it feels even lighter than that. And amazingly, this bad boy has a phenomenal 1/10th inch reset. This trigger makes the PPQ fast shooting and very accurate.

www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/07/joe-grine/walther-ppq-m2-5-inch-slide/

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Apr 2, 2016 9:52:33 GMT -5 Shooby said:

  I have a .38 sp Smith and Wesson.  But, it is a bit bulky to conceal.  I am concerned that some of the smaller guns don't have enough fire power if i ever had to use it.  I am thinking of 9mm.  I really like the Kimber.

I have a Kimber 45 ACP that I shoot regularly with, however it is impossible to conceal unless I use my gun purse.  TD carries a Glock 26, which is easily concealable on his belt and isn't as bulky as his usual carry (Glock 32).  The problem with the Glock 26 is that it has a short barrel and it is very difficult to shoot accurately (however, TD's pretty good with it - I shoot like shit with it).  It's a 9 mm.

We were at a shooting class where we were shooting steels.  I was shooting with my Kimber and it was flipping the steels over and TD was shooting with his 9 mm Glock 17(?).  It was really interesting to see that the power behind the 9 mm was not sufficient to flip the steels back for me to shoot at them again.

My shooting instructor says that the best gun is the one that YOU shoot most accurately with.  When I chose my Kimber, I went to the range and rented each of the guns that they had available - along with TD's Glocks.  Glocks are not comfortable for my hand and I do not shoot well with them.  I always kept coming back to the Kimber.  I shot my instructor's Dan Wesson and Les Baer and LOVED them, but the price tags not so much.  These were both 45 ACP.
 

[Virgil Showlion]

Something smells fishy.

All depictions of the product are 3D renderings. No photos or footage of the weapon in actual use. No weight or dimension specs.

Purportedly fires two .380 caliber bullets without a hammer. That alone makes it a lot bigger than a modern smartphone. Very little grip, most of it at a low pivot. With the kickback from two .380 rounds, it'd be a miracle if it didn't shoot high.

Plus, what's the point? You've got a weapon stowed in your purse. Do you want it to be a real pistol that can fire 12 shots or do you want a cellphone-shaped derringer that can fire one?

[ktunes]

Apr 2, 2016 7:04:06 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

Apr 2, 2016 2:43:33 GMT -5 ktunes said:

i have a .45 that looks like a .45...

Me too!

nice...

surprisingly accurate for a 3" barrel...

[gregintenn]

Apr 2, 2016 17:32:44 GMT -5 @hickle said:

Apr 2, 2016 10:07:01 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

There's a Ruger LCP 380 in my pocket pretty much anytime I have pants on. I really like it and it's easily concealable. With a bit of practice, I'm able to shoot it with surprising accuracy.

I don't own a 9mm Kimber, but the SOLO looks pretty cool.

Do you carry at work?  Do they care or not know?  Have you ever carried that particular gun inside an ankle holster inside your boot?  I particularly would like to know what you think of carrying in an ankle holster in your boot.

I mostly carry this in my front pants pockets. I've never tried an ankle holster. I can't imagine how they'd be comfortable.

Sometimes I carry inside the waistband.

[Virgil Showlion]

You guys honestly pack heat while you're walking around your day-to-day lives?

If some guy wants my wallet badly enough that I have to blow him away to stop him, he can have it.

[Deleted]

Apr 3, 2016 19:14:29 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

You guys honestly pack heat while you're walking around your day-to-day lives?

If some guy wants my wallet badly enough that I have to blow him away to stop him, he can have it.

People might have guns.  If you want someone's wallet badly enough that might  not stop you.  If you just want someone's wallet but not enough to take it from a person with a gun, you might rethink your choice.

[gregintenn]

Apr 3, 2016 19:14:29 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

You guys honestly pack heat while you're walking around your day-to-day lives?

If some guy wants my wallet badly enough that I have to blow him away to stop him, he can have it.

What if he wants to rape your wife? Your daughter? Cut your throat?

I don't drive around trying to get a flat tire, but I ALWAYS have a spare.

I've noticed that most every law enforcement agent carries a gun. I figure they must know something.

[Virgil Showlion]

Apr 3, 2016 19:58:00 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

Apr 3, 2016 19:14:29 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

You guys honestly pack heat while you're walking around your day-to-day lives?

If some guy wants my wallet badly enough that I have to blow him away to stop him, he can have it.

What if he wants to rape your wife? Your daughter? Cut your throat?

I don't drive around trying to get a flat tire, but I ALWAYS have a spare.

I've noticed that most every law enforcement agent carries a gun. I figure they must know something.

They show up to deal with violent, belligerent and lawbreaking individuals as a matter of daily routine, and most report never firing their weapon during a lifetime of service.