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This is sort of related to the naturopathic thread.
Do you have any food sensitivities? What are the symptoms?
I went to a alternative & holistic health clinic to see what they had to say, sort of a second opinion, about depression and bad back and neck. I do not want to go on antidepressants. After some tests, they told me I had a whole list of food sensitivities (wheat, flour, fruit sugar, sugar, eggs, dairy). I also have high levels of metal toxicity. I had no clue. I have no digestion issues with these foods.
What are your thoughts on that? Would you believe them? I cannot decide if I should follow their program. I am somewhat of a skeptic.
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Post by gs11rmb on Mar 30, 2016 9:27:26 GMT -5
I'd give it a try. There is unlikely to be any side effects and it may improve your health. Slightly unrelated but I heard a story on NPR a year or so ago about a clinic that treats children with terrible ADD/ADHD, etc. The first thing they do is strip out all processed foods from their diet and if I remember correctly 80-90% of the children see dramatic improvement. Only after that do they start in with medication.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Mar 30, 2016 9:36:12 GMT -5
I'd give it a try. There is unlikely to be any side effects and it may improve your health. Slightly unrelated but I heard a story on NPR a year or so ago about a clinic that treats children with terrible ADD/ADHD, etc. The first thing they do is strip out all processed foods from their diet and if I remember correctly 80-90% of the children see dramatic improvement. Only after that do they start in with medication. I have friends that work for Brain Balance here in KC. They put all kids on that diet and it's amazing how much it helps.
Cutting out sugar was the big one for me. It's just in everything! My mom cut out all white flour & sugar, and was able to drastically reduce the pain meds she takes for arthritis (from 6 times per day to only occasionally). My MIL tried it and her cholesterol plummeted back into normal ranges, after having tried just about everything else first. MIL's doc is a "regular" doctor, but he believes in incorporating diet into overall health and is really into Paleo for his patients. I'm not totally sold on following that diet strictly, but it does involve a lot of very healthy foods so it's no wonder people improve on it.
Against All Grain and Trim Healthy Mama are two pages I follow on FB. Good overall recipes incorporating real foods for the whole family. The worst part about trying to "diet" is seeing everyone else still eating the other food if you all eat the same then it makes it so much easier!
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Mar 30, 2016 10:04:12 GMT -5
This is sort of related to the naturopathic thread.
Do you have any food sensitivities? What are the symptoms?
I went to a alternative & holistic health clinic to see what they had to say, sort of a second opinion, about depression and bad back and neck. I do not want to go on antidepressants. After some tests, they told me I had a whole list of food sensitivities (wheat, flour, fruit sugar, sugar, eggs, dairy). I also have high levels of metal toxicity. I had no clue. I have no digestion issues with these foods.
What are your thoughts on that? Would you believe them? I cannot decide if I should follow their program. I am somewhat of a skeptic.
I would suggest you test their suggestions. I am skeptical of any diet that says you can't eat fruit or vegetables. That is the most natural food on earth. I have a hard time believing people evolved to not be able to process the nutrients and sugars inside. If they say you have a dairy sensitivity, eliminate dairy for ~2 weeks and see if you feel better. Then slowly add it back to your diet. If it doesn't change how you feel, you've got your answer. Keep a food log and good details. I haven't been able to do it, but I know many people feel much better after giving up just sugar. (processed, white) I did give up diet coke many years ago and have never looked back.
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Post by milee on Mar 30, 2016 10:09:17 GMT -5
You could have some food sensitivities. The best way to know is an elimination diet, but that does take a lot of time and has a steep learning curve as you figure out what you can and can't eat. It won't hurt you to try it. You start by eliminating all those foods from your diet (and that's harder than you think especially if you don't cook all your own food from scratch) for several weeks. Then, once you're sure you have not eaten any of those foods for several weeks, you start adding them back one at a time. For example, after not eating any of those foods for 2-4 weeks, you start by eating some wheat - but none of the other suspected foods - for 2-3 weeks and see how you feel and if you have symptoms. If you feel OK and have no symptoms, you probably don't have a sensitivity to that food. Check. Then you add back the second suspected food, wait 2-3 weeks, etc. Repeat until you've tested each of the suspects. With a list like yours, it will take several months to do all this if you do it right.
Again, can't hurt. But will take a lot of work and be inconvenient.
If you have food sensitivities, it can definitely impact how you feel overall. So you may find you feel better after eliminating some of these things.
Not sure how any of that would influence a bad back or neck, though. Assuming you don't have an actual injury, fixing your neck and back issues will involve more lifestyle changes than food and will probably require a regular exercise and stretching program to strengthen your core. Might also require adjustments to how often you sit, how you sit and how you do certain tasks during the day.
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Post by Tiny on Mar 30, 2016 10:20:07 GMT -5
You could have some food sensitivities. The best way to know is an elimination diet, but that does take a lot of time and has a steep learning curve as you figure out what you can and can't eat. It won't hurt you to try it. You start by eliminating all those foods from your diet (and that's harder than you think especially if you don't cook all your own food from scratch) for several weeks. Then, once you're sure you have not eaten any of those foods for several weeks, you start adding them back one at a time. For example, after not eating any of those foods for 2-4 weeks, you start by eating some wheat - but none of the other suspected foods - for 2-3 weeks and see how you feel and if you have symptoms. If you feel OK and have no symptoms, you probably don't have a sensitivity to that food. Check. Then you add back the second suspected food, wait 2-3 weeks, etc. Repeat until you've tested each of the suspects. With a list like yours, it will take several months to do all this if you do it right.
Again, can't hurt. But will take a lot of work and be inconvenient.
If you have food sensitivities, it can definitely impact how you feel overall. So you may find you feel better after eliminating some of these things.
Not sure how any of that would influence a bad back or neck, though. Assuming you don't have an actual injury, fixing your neck and back issues will involve more lifestyle changes than food and will probably require a regular exercise and stretching program to strengthen your core. Might also require adjustments to how often you sit, how you sit and how you do certain tasks during the day. You didn't account for body weight. One of the consequences of a new 'diet' may be some much needed weight loss (even just a 10% loss) - which MIGHT cause some of the back pain (and neck pain) to ease off.
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Post by Tiny on Mar 30, 2016 10:37:26 GMT -5
This is sort of related to the naturopathic thread.
Do you have any food sensitivities? What are the symptoms?
I went to a alternative & holistic health clinic to see what they had to say, sort of a second opinion, about depression and bad back and neck. I do not want to go on antidepressants. After some tests, they told me I had a whole list of food sensitivities (wheat, flour, fruit sugar, sugar, eggs, dairy). I also have high levels of metal toxicity. I had no clue. I have no digestion issues with these foods.
What are your thoughts on that? Would you believe them? I cannot decide if I should follow their program. I am somewhat of a skeptic.
I'm skeptical about the whole 'sugar' thing... I guess maybe there needs to be a better definition of what "avoiding sugar" actually means... cause 'sugar' occurs naturally in fruit, vegetables, beans, pulses, and dairy. I don't think avoiding actual food (apples, carrots, kidney beans, lentils) is a good overall diet plan. I can see avoiding dairy if you are lactose intolerant.
I'm wondering if the whole "avoid sugar" is suppose to mean avoiding food products that have had additional sugar added - which means you need to read labels on anything that has a label.
FWIW: READ the labels - even on things you think wouldn't be too adulterated. I use canned tomatoes fairly often. I usually buy 'plain' ones and add my own seasonings. I noticed that there were 'seasoned' tomatoes with basil and garlic and I thought "what the heck... same sale price I'll save a step when cooking" -- I was really annoyed (nearly angry) to discover when i got home and read the label better that the canned tomatoes came with a heaping shovel of SUGAR added - bumping up the calories per serving from the typical 25/30 per serving to 65 per serving... I'm pretty sure the sprinkling herbs/garlic powder didn't have naturally occurring 'sugar' to push up the calorie count that much.
You even need to watch bags of frozen veggies - anything with a sauce or added seasonings probably also has gotten an unhealthy dose of added calories from added sweetners.
But, to the question of following the diet plan... I'd probably attempt to make some changes to what I was eating - by following the plan. I'd spend the time and effort to come up with some 'menu plans' that work with it and then spend the time and effort to read labels... It sucks. It's time consuming. And to make things more difficult the manufacturers of 'food' constantly change the products they make (and what's in them). On the other hand, once you get into the habit of eating 'plain' foods - grocery shopping gets a lot easier and sometimes cheaper. Instead of buying frozen veggies with what ever the latest sauces/flavors are - you just have to hunt for the 'plain' bags,boxes - and there's usually only one or two choices of each kind of veggie. You can also pretty much go with the 'store brands' since plain frozen veggies aren't very glamorous - it's the same stuff in the high end bag o' frozen veggies (probably even came off the same assembly line...) You'll also cut out a lot of "not food" snack things (which saves you money!) and possibly lots of other "not food" things that you routinely eat.
It does make grocery shopping a lot easier... since the store is filled with 95% stuff you WON"T be buying (or bothering to look at or walking down most aisles) any more.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 30, 2016 10:41:29 GMT -5
Before you go changing your diet that drastically I would suggest a second opinion. You could end up with a placebo effect. This guy told you that you feel bad eating this stuff, therefore when you stop you feel better. Therefore he was correct. Yet there is zero evidence to actually show he was correct. That would be a pretty restrictive diet, what are you supposed to eat exactly if you eliminate all that from your diet? Tree bark? What was this test? Has it been verified by the FDA to do what it says it does? Food allergies are notoriously difficult to diagnose, I would imagine that being "sensitive" is even more difficult. Does this guy benefit from you following his diet? Does he have a list of supplements he wants you to buy from him? If he does RUN, it's a scam.
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Post by Artemis Windsong on Mar 30, 2016 10:44:55 GMT -5
I went to bottled drinking water and have gotten much better. A friend also switched. I don't know what the municipal water changed in the chemicals but a lot of people a now experiencing stomach trouble. One nasty chemical is chloromine.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 11:01:03 GMT -5
This is sort of related to the naturopathic thread.
Do you have any food sensitivities? What are the symptoms?
I went to a alternative & holistic health clinic to see what they had to say, sort of a second opinion, about depression and bad back and neck. I do not want to go on antidepressants. After some tests, they told me I had a whole list of food sensitivities (wheat, flour, fruit sugar, sugar, eggs, dairy). I also have high levels of metal toxicity. I had no clue. I have no digestion issues with these foods.
What are your thoughts on that? Would you believe them? I cannot decide if I should follow their program. I am somewhat of a skeptic.
I'm skeptical about the whole 'sugar' thing... I guess maybe there needs to be a better definition of what "avoiding sugar" actually means... cause 'sugar' occurs naturally in fruit, vegetables, beans, pulses, and dairy. I don't think avoiding actual food (apples, carrots, kidney beans, lentils) is a good overall diet plan. I can see avoiding dairy if you are lactose intolerant.
I'm wondering if the whole "avoid sugar" is suppose to mean avoiding food products that have had additional sugar added - which means you need to read labels on anything that has a label.
FWIW: READ the labels - even on things you think wouldn't be too adulterated. I use canned tomatoes fairly often. I usually buy 'plain' ones and add my own seasonings. I noticed that there were 'seasoned' tomatoes with basil and garlic and I thought "what the heck... same sale price I'll save a step when cooking" -- I was really annoyed (nearly angry) to discover when i got home and read the label better that the canned tomatoes came with a heaping shovel of SUGAR added - bumping up the calories per serving from the typical 25/30 per serving to 65 per serving... I'm pretty sure the sprinkling herbs/garlic powder didn't have naturally occurring 'sugar' to push up the calorie count that much.
You even need to watch bags of frozen veggies - anything with a sauce or added seasonings probably also has gotten an unhealthy dose of added calories from added sweetners.
But, to the question of following the diet plan... I'd probably attempt to make some changes to what I was eating - by following the plan. I'd spend the time and effort to come up with some 'menu plans' that work with it and then spend the time and effort to read labels... It sucks. It's time consuming. And to make things more difficult the manufacturers of 'food' constantly change the products they make (and what's in them). On the other hand, once you get into the habit of eating 'plain' foods - grocery shopping gets a lot easier and sometimes cheaper. Instead of buying frozen veggies with what ever the latest sauces/flavors are - you just have to hunt for the 'plain' bags,boxes - and there's usually only one or two choices of each kind of veggie. You can also pretty much go with the 'store brands' since plain frozen veggies aren't very glamorous - it's the same stuff in the high end bag o' frozen veggies (probably even came off the same assembly line...) You'll also cut out a lot of "not food" snack things (which saves you money!) and possibly lots of other "not food" things that you routinely eat.
It does make grocery shopping a lot easier... since the store is filled with 95% stuff you WON"T be buying (or bothering to look at or walking down most aisles) any more.
Fortunately, I have always preferred the plain vegetables and I won't buy the ones with sauces. I even prefer plain yogurt. Most processed foods gross me out, but sometimes it just cannot be helped.
I LOVE candy. But, I never over-indulged due to common knowledge.
Who doesn't like eating at Taco Bell once in a while? The town I live in has no fast food places so that helps me.
Is canned soup considered processed food? The last two meals I cooked included canned soup in the recipes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 11:02:14 GMT -5
I went to bottled drinking water and have gotten much better. A friend also switched. I don't know what the municipal water changed in the chemicals but a lot of people a now experiencing stomach trouble. One nasty chemical is chloromine. I have been at my current job for one year. We are on the "city" water and we do not have a filter. I wonder if that is contributing to my problem.
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Post by shanendoah on Mar 30, 2016 11:18:00 GMT -5
I have a couple friends who have Celiacs. The symptoms for them show differently. For one of them, depressions was part of the equation. They thought she had SAD (enough so that her insurance covered a UV light for her to use in winter - which she nicely lent to me this winter) and all sorts of other issues. Once she was actually diagnosed correctly and stopped eating gluten, the depression went away. So yes, it is possible that some of your issues could be fixed with a change in diet. But I certainly would not try eliminating everything at once - and unless there is an actual allergy to fruits or vegetables (I have one friend with a grape allergy and a few with nightshade allergies) I would not cut those out at all. But try cutting processed sugar out of your diet for a week. Or wheat (and I am guessing by "flour" they meant wheat flour, because there are a billion kinds of flour and what you are sensitive to is what the flour is made out of, not the texture), or even just eggs. But don't try everything at once.
Another option might be to talk to a nutritionist.
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Post by Tiny on Mar 30, 2016 11:27:14 GMT -5
It probably is considered processed - especially if it's a 'cream of' type soup. The biggest issue with canned soups/veggies tends to be the sodium levels.
Even those fancy 'boxed' soups/broths can have astronomical levels of sodium. I try to keep soups/broths I buy in the 300 to 500mg per serving level. I don't use a lot of canned soups/broths. Some of them have 800+ mg of sodium per serving. The same goes for buillion cubes or pastes...
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Post by Tiny on Mar 30, 2016 11:39:04 GMT -5
Fortunately, I have always preferred the plain vegetables and I won't buy the ones with sauces. I even prefer plain yogurt. Most processed foods gross me out, but sometimes it just cannot be helped.
I LOVE candy. But, I never over-indulged due to common knowledge.
Who doesn't like eating at Taco Bell once in a while? The town I live in has no fast food places so that helps me.
Is canned soup considered processed food? The last two meals I cooked included canned soup in the recipes.
The fruit/veggie thing was mostly an 'example' - you really need to READ the labels on ALL the products you buy. You don't want to get 'fooled' by the claims on the packaging - like "Natural!" or "This is Good for You because it doesn't have trans fats!", or assume that because you've always been told X is good for you - that X is actually 'good for you'.... lots of 'good for you' products are loaded with added sugar and sodium that doesn't need to be there.
The manufacturers changed up their English Muffins and the packageing for them - so I had to re-read ALL the fracking labels... turned out the "original" Lite English Muffin still had the lowest calories, lowest fat, lowest added sugar, and highest fiber... than the same brands "High Fiber" version, "Whole Grain" version, "good for you for some other reason" version, and their "original" version. You can't just read the Big Writing on the packaging to know which version of a product fits what you are trying to accomplish with your diet.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 12:06:22 GMT -5
You don't want to get 'fooled' by the claims on the packaging - like "Natural!" or "This is Good for You because it doesn't have trans fats!", or assume that because you've always been told X is good for you - that X is actually 'good for you'.... lots of 'good for you' products are loaded with added sugar and sodium that doesn't need to be there. Yeah, I know- jelly beans are gluten-free and have no trans fats so I can eat all I want, right? I lost about 15 lbs. a few years ago and have kept it off, mostly by reading labels carefully, avoiding stuff with large amounts of sugar (candy, flavored yogurts, granola bars, "energy drinks", sodas, bottled fruit juices). It's hard to separate the effects of two things going on here: one is that I've definitely cut back on processed foods and they're probably more calorie-dense than the stuff I eat most of the time now (fruits, vegetables, nuts, lean meats and not too many of them). Unprocessed foods also take more work to eat. Note how many processed products are made to slide down easily: soft granola bars and cookies, drinks loaded with sugar, premium ice cream. With vegetables, you actually have to take some time chewing and your body has to process fiber. The other is that I've become pickier about what I eat. If it's not worth the fat and calories because it will have a chemical aftertaste or it's not something I genuinely enjoy, I just don't eat it. As for the impact of processed foods on the brain: DS has ADD and when he got a therapist who taught him how to manage it, he stopped eating processed and high-sugar foods. There were other factors involved- regular workouts help, and having a regular sleep schedule- but he stopped his meds years ago and is doing very well without them now. He and DDIL cook most of their meals from scratch.
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Post by gs11rmb on Mar 30, 2016 12:35:13 GMT -5
Has anyone seen the documentary "Fed Up" on Netflix? It's about the sugar industry and was disturbing. I had no idea how much sugar I was consuming and that the food industry has lobbied incredibly hard not to add two things to nutrition labels:
1. % daily value, instead they only list the number of grams. 2. Added sugars versus natural sugars. Sugar occurs naturally in yogurt but from the labels you can't tell how much has been added at the factory. I'm on day 10 of a 30 day sugar fast (failed the first one I tried in February ) and sugar-laden foods are everywhere. I will say, I'm only avoiding processed sugars and still eating fruit.
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Post by Opti on Mar 30, 2016 12:54:36 GMT -5
This is sort of related to the naturopathic thread.
Do you have any food sensitivities? What are the symptoms?
I went to a alternative & holistic health clinic to see what they had to say, sort of a second opinion, about depression and bad back and neck. I do not want to go on antidepressants. After some tests, they told me I had a whole list of food sensitivities (wheat, flour, fruit sugar, sugar, eggs, dairy). I also have high levels of metal toxicity. I had no clue. I have no digestion issues with these foods.
What are your thoughts on that? Would you believe them? I cannot decide if I should follow their program. I am somewhat of a skeptic.
I think its good to be a skeptic. Food sensitivities often manifest in other ways than digestion. I was highly sensitive to too much sugar during part of perimenopause. It took awhile to figure out because the effects, depression were time delayed by around 12 hours or so.
I am also sensitive to Spenda/NutraSweet. It causes depression in me but not as sudden as the too much sugar eaten in the example above. It got worse over time when I was drinking soda with Splenda in it. Removing Splenda from my diet cleared up the issue.
I recommend trying a food rotation diet, dropping one thing at a time and reintroducing it one at a time so you can track how it affects you.
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 30, 2016 13:59:30 GMT -5
This is sort of related to the naturopathic thread.
Do you have any food sensitivities? What are the symptoms?
I went to a alternative & holistic health clinic to see what they had to say, sort of a second opinion, about depression and bad back and neck. I do not want to go on antidepressants. After some tests, they told me I had a whole list of food sensitivities (wheat, flour, fruit sugar, sugar, eggs, dairy). I also have high levels of metal toxicity. I had no clue. I have no digestion issues with these foods.
What are your thoughts on that? Would you believe them? I cannot decide if I should follow their program. I am somewhat of a skeptic.
Does following their program involve buying your food from them? Or would you have to pay for office visits frequently so they can monitor your progress? Or do they have special (expensive) teas or supplements that they claim you need? If so, I would be highly skeptical.
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Post by Ryan on Mar 30, 2016 14:00:10 GMT -5
I don't think there are accurate ways to test for food insensitivity outside of an elimination diet, so I'd take the suggestions with a grain of salt.
Still though, I would probably start with diet if you want to avoid medication.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Mar 30, 2016 15:36:45 GMT -5
Just the act of reading labels has been eye opening. I used to get dry roasted peanuts for a snack, until I read the ingredients & saw that along with salt they also had MSG and (added) sugar in them. So I switched to cocktail peanuts - nuts, oil, salt. Aldi sells a great marinara sauce with no added sugar, but their other flavors all have sugar. Oikos Triple Zero greek yogurts use Stevia as a sweetner instead of added sugar so I went with those.
Also be careful with some of the gluten-free products. Even though it's gluten free, the carb count can still be outrageous. I don't do low-carb/no-carb but I do try to limit myself to 45g or less in a meal to avoid big blood sugar spikes & crashes.
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Post by milee on Mar 30, 2016 16:12:20 GMT -5
Is canned soup considered processed food? The last two meals I cooked included canned soup in the recipes.
Yes, canned soup is processed - very processed. And if you are cooking things that use canned soup in the recipes, then the diet to eliminate that list in your OP is going to require a huge learning curve for you as you figure out what you can and can't eat. Not saying you shouldn't do it, but just giving you a heads up that it's a lot of work and information to digest (pun intended).
Again, without weighing in on whether you should try the elimination diet or not, if you do decide to do it IMHO it's worth doing in an effective way. You really can't get good data by just eliminating one or two of the suspected culprits and then adding those things back after a week; there are too many variables there and you won't know what's responsible for the changes. A week isn't enough time to really calm down your system if you have multiple sensitivities so you won't have given yourself enough time to get yourself back to base line. And if you don't eliminate everything from the list, you won't ever really know if a reaction is caused by what you've just added back or just that you have additional amounts (or an additional reaction to) the things you didn't eliminate. So to get good data, you've got to eliminate everything from the suspected allergen/sensitive list and not add more than one back and not add things back more than once every two weeks at a minimum. It's too much work and hassle to go through to not do it right and risk getting bad data. Either do it right or don't put yourself through all the hassle.
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Post by milee on Mar 30, 2016 16:14:07 GMT -5
After some tests, they told me I had a whole list of food sensitivities (wheat, flour, fruit sugar, sugar, eggs, dairy). I also have high levels of metal toxicity.
Exactly what were the tests that they performed?
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Does following their program involve buying your food from them? Or would you have to pay for office visits frequently so they can monitor your progress? Or do they have special (expensive) teas or supplements that they claim you need? If so, I would be highly skeptical. Good question, and I agree. A friend went on a food elimination diet recommended by an allergist and all they gave her was a list of "do not eat" foods and other instructions such as not eating the same thing more than a couple of days in a row. Two big dealbreakers for me on that list: coffee and alcohol! She actually did report feeling better almost immediately, and also lost weight, which she was happy about. She's now in the process of slowly adding things back to see which ones her body can't handle. She's doing it all with regular foods form stores and restaurants, to the extent they fit the rules.
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After some tests, they told me I had a whole list of food sensitivities (wheat, flour, fruit sugar, sugar, eggs, dairy). I also have high levels of metal toxicity.
Exactly what were the tests that they performed? It was Nutritional Response Testing and had to do with reflexes. That is what makes me skeptical.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 16:21:37 GMT -5
This is sort of related to the naturopathic thread.
Do you have any food sensitivities? What are the symptoms?
I went to a alternative & holistic health clinic to see what they had to say, sort of a second opinion, about depression and bad back and neck. I do not want to go on antidepressants. After some tests, they told me I had a whole list of food sensitivities (wheat, flour, fruit sugar, sugar, eggs, dairy). I also have high levels of metal toxicity. I had no clue. I have no digestion issues with these foods.
What are your thoughts on that? Would you believe them? I cannot decide if I should follow their program. I am somewhat of a skeptic.
Does following their program involve buying your food from them? Or would you have to pay for office visits frequently so they can monitor your progress? Or do they have special (expensive) teas or supplements that they claim you need? If so, I would be highly skeptical.
No - I do not buy my food from them. I did buy the detoxing supplements recommended from them. There are twelve office visits so they can monitor my progress.
I have a feeling I am going to be a drop out. I already ate Easter candy today. (And I liked it!!)
I am not going to do an elimination diet. Maybe just cut back. The food sensitivities were on a printed out report and not stressed during the office visit.
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milee
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Post by milee on Mar 30, 2016 16:35:45 GMT -5
Exactly what were the tests that they performed? It was Nutritional Response Testing and had to do with reflexes. That is what makes me skeptical.
Please ignore all my prior posts. I googled NRT and think it sounds like voodoo hogwash. There is no way I'd do or propose you do an elimination diet (which is very difficult to do correctly and a huge hassle) based on NRT.
There is also no way I'd buy any supplements from this provider or go to 12 follow up sessions.
You may or may not have food sensitivities. You may or may not be able to make some lifestyle changes that will help your depression. But do it based on reasonable information, not something like NRT.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 16:48:34 GMT -5
I went for the testing and results just to see what they had to say.
I got a few ideas on what to try. Maybe the supplements will help, maybe not.
Their "boot camp" follow-up appointments are a little too much for me though. I don't feel bad enough to put myself through it.
They are also anti-root canal. I bet I have at least 3 root canals in my mouth; I am not about to get them pulled. They are also against mercury fillings. Oh yeah - I am doomed because I had my gall bladder removed and my wisdom teeth.
FWIW: Some of friends think this program is great. They never felt better. One friend had fibromyalgia and this office totally cured her.
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Post by Tiny on Mar 30, 2016 17:05:25 GMT -5
Does following their program involve buying your food from them? Or would you have to pay for office visits frequently so they can monitor your progress? Or do they have special (expensive) teas or supplements that they claim you need? If so, I would be highly skeptical.
No - I do not buy my food from them. I did buy the detoxing supplements recommended from them. There are twelve office visits so they can monitor my progress.
I have a feeling I am going to be a drop out. I already ate Easter candy today. (And I liked it!!)
I am not going to do an elimination diet. Maybe just cut back. The food sensitivities were on a printed out report and not stressed during the office visit.
The whole detoxing thing kind of baffles me.... if your kidneys and liver aren't working maybe you should be headed to a medical facility. I have a friend who 'falls' for all the latest fads and trends... and sings their praises and how 'healthy' she is... whatever....
ADDED: www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/ak.html Well that was eye opening...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 17:29:55 GMT -5
Do you think the "practitioners" believe in it? Are they just practicing it to make a quick buck?
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Post by milee on Mar 30, 2016 17:42:00 GMT -5
Do you think the "practitioners" believe in it? Are they just practicing it to make a quick buck?
I think most of them believe. There are a lot of people out there that are gullible, or they so badly want to believe in something that they're willing to suspend normal skepticism.
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