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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 24, 2016 13:03:08 GMT -5
Perhaps you aren't old enough to remember what happened on 9/11/01. I'll never forget it. Well if it makes any difference to you . . . I remember it too painfully well. I lost two extended family members that day - one in the horrors of the north tower and the second one three years later when a suicide relieved him of the crippling depression and misery he could never get over from losing his son. But that's okay - - go right ahead and imply that somehow I'm unAmerican or unpatriotic because while I'm more than willing to hunt down and punish those who are responsible for heinous crimes against humanity, I'm also unwilling to lay hate and blame and anger on an entire nationality and religion of perfectly innocent people who are just like me on the inside and only want to go about living their lives just like every other human being wants. And frankly I don't give a rats a$$ if you don't like me for it - - I can stand up for myself and take care of myself. But I've seen a LOT of injustice in my years on this planet, and I will never sit by quietly when injustices are being proposed or being perpetrated on those who don't have a voice or can't stand up for themselves. I bet you remember the Muslim bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City back in 1995 too. Wait.....what?....he wasn't Muslim nor were his convicted cohorts?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 24, 2016 13:03:51 GMT -5
Yes b/c asking how exactly does stereotyping Muslims and/or banning refugees from a certain country actually protect us from terrorists is "hippy dippy "well our ancestors came through Elllis Island therefore we must let every whackjob in" shit.
My question is how far do we go with it? What rights are we willing to give up so we can pat ourselves on the back and declare our country safe? Goodness knows we've already given up a ton of them thanks to the Patriotic Act, what's a few more right?
Islam is a world wide religion. There is NOTHING stopping ISIS from recruiting someone from Southeast Asia or Africa to come here and blow us up. There is nothing stopping a neighbor from watching videos on the internet and being whacked enough in the head that he decides to go on a shooting spree in the name of Islam.
If you can tell me how discriminating against an entire religion and several countries would actually keep us safe I'd love to hear it.
Otherwise we're still running around in circles engaging in security theater while the real threat scoots right past us.
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Well if it makes any difference to you . . . I remember it too painfully well. I lost two extended family members that day - one in the horrors of the north tower and the second one three years later when a suicide relieved him of the crippling depression and misery he could never get over from losing his son. But that's okay - - go right ahead and imply that somehow I'm unAmerican or unpatriotic because while I'm more than willing to hunt down and punish those who are responsible for heinous crimes against humanity, I'm also unwilling to lay hate and blame and anger on an entire nationality and religion of perfectly innocent people who are just like me on the inside and only want to go about living their lives just like every other human being wants. And frankly I don't give a rats a$$ if you don't like me for it - - I can stand up for myself and take care of myself. But I've seen a LOT of injustice in my years on this planet, and I will never sit by quietly when injustices are being proposed or being perpetrated on those who don't have a voice or can't stand up for themselves. I bet you remember the Muslim bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City back in 1995 too. Wait.....what?....he wasn't Muslim nor were his convicted cohorts? Was this a "movement" Tenn or an incident? Be honest. Apples to oranges.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 24, 2016 13:21:07 GMT -5
Yes b/c asking how exactly does stereotyping Muslims and/or banning refugees from a certain country actually protect us from terrorists is "hippy dippy "well our ancestors came through Elllis Island therefore we must let every whackjob in" shit. My question is how far do we go with it? What rights are we willing to give up so we can pat ourselves on the back and declare our country safe? Goodness knows we've already given up a ton of them thanks to the Patriotic Act, what's a few more right? Islam is a world wide religion. There is NOTHING stopping ISIS from recruiting someone from Southeast Asia or Africa to come here and blow us up. There is nothing stopping a neighbor from watching videos on the internet and being whacked enough in the head that he decides to go on a shooting spree in the name of Islam. If you can tell me how discriminating against an entire religion and several countries would actually keep us safe I'd love to hear it. Otherwise we're still running around in circles engaging in security theater while the real threat scoots right past us. We have differing opinions. I have nothing to hide so I am absolutely ok with losing a little privacy to protect the citizens of our country.
I'm absolutely ok with profiling someone who is at greater risk of being a terrorist. Let's face it, if I'm going through security with Mohammed from Syria, I'm pretty sure I'm not the likelier terrorist...but so no one gets upset, I face the same scrutiny.
I'm pretty sure my wonderbread neighborhood is less likely to harbor a muslim terrorist than a neighborhood full of muslims (I can pretty much assure you that a muslim in my neighborhood would stick out like a sore thumb ...and would be watched much more closely by the cops and the neighbors). But keeping an extra eye on Muslims is apparently wrong...and that is something I don't understand and never will. Irish Catholics aren't the ones blowing themselves up and taking out innocent Americans.
One thing I've learned about this board is that it isn't worth it to go back and forth all day long. We don't agree. We won't agree and no amount of back and forth will change that.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 24, 2016 13:22:21 GMT -5
I bet you remember the Muslim bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City back in 1995 too. Wait.....what?....he wasn't Muslim nor were his convicted cohorts? Was this a "movement" Tenn or an incident? Be honest. Apples to oranges.
In both examples, did someone set off explosives? Be honest. Apples to apples when it comes to disgruntled people.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 24, 2016 13:22:35 GMT -5
Well if it makes any difference to you . . . I remember it too painfully well. I lost two extended family members that day - one in the horrors of the north tower and the second one three years later when a suicide relieved him of the crippling depression and misery he could never get over from losing his son. But that's okay - - go right ahead and imply that somehow I'm unAmerican or unpatriotic because while I'm more than willing to hunt down and punish those who are responsible for heinous crimes against humanity, I'm also unwilling to lay hate and blame and anger on an entire nationality and religion of perfectly innocent people who are just like me on the inside and only want to go about living their lives just like every other human being wants. And frankly I don't give a rats a$$ if you don't like me for it - - I can stand up for myself and take care of myself. But I've seen a LOT of injustice in my years on this planet, and I will never sit by quietly when injustices are being proposed or being perpetrated on those who don't have a voice or can't stand up for themselves. I bet you remember the Muslim bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City back in 1995 too. Wait.....what?....he wasn't Muslim nor were his convicted cohorts? How can you equate this to the well armed, well trained terrorists who continue to take out many innocent people? That incident was god awful but it certainly wasn't part of a cause to kill americans by a well organized group.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 24, 2016 13:23:24 GMT -5
Was this a "movement" Tenn or an incident? Be honest. Apples to oranges.
In both examples, did someone set off explosives? Be honest. Apples to apples when it comes to disgruntled people. Apples to oranges...a few crazies versus an entire organization. I could live with the threat of Timothy McVeighs because they are few and far between.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 13:24:45 GMT -5
Yes b/c asking how exactly does stereotyping Muslims and/or banning refugees from a certain country actually protect us from terrorists is "hippy dippy "well our ancestors came through Elllis Island therefore we must let every whackjob in" shit. My question is how far do we go with it? What rights are we willing to give up so we can pat ourselves on the back and declare our country safe? Goodness knows we've already given up a ton of them thanks to the Patriotic Act, what's a few more right? Islam is a world wide religion. There is NOTHING stopping ISIS from recruiting someone from Southeast Asia or Africa to come here and blow us up. There is nothing stopping a neighbor from watching videos on the internet and being whacked enough in the head that he decides to go on a shooting spree in the name of Islam. If you can tell me how discriminating against an entire religion and several countries would actually keep us safe I'd love to hear it. Otherwise we're still running around in circles engaging in security theater while the real threat scoots right past us. We have differing opinions. I have nothing to hide so I am absolutely ok with losing a little privacy to protect the citizens of our country.
I'm absolutely ok with profiling someone who is at greater risk of being a terrorist. Let's face it, if I'm going through security with Mohammed from Syria, I'm pretty sure I'm not the likelier terrorist...but so no one gets upset, I face the same scrutiny.
I'm pretty sure my wonderbread neighborhood is less likely to harbor a muslim terrorist than a neighborhood full of muslims (I can pretty much assure you that a muslim in my neighborhood would stick out like a sore thumb ...and would be watched much more closely by the cops and the neighbors). But keeping an extra eye on Muslims is apparently wrong...and that is something I don't understand and never will. Irish Catholics aren't the ones blowing themselves up and taking out innocent Americans.
One thing I've learned about this board is that it isn't worth it to go back and forth all day long. We don't agree. We won't agree and no amount of back and forth will change that.
Amen to that!
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 24, 2016 13:26:08 GMT -5
I have nothing to hide so I am absolutely ok with losing a little privacy to protect the citizens of our country.
I rank this logic up there with the if you don't support racial and religious profiling you must be anti-American.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 24, 2016 13:30:44 GMT -5
It is what it is Miss Tequila-angry people killing innocent people. Doesn't matter to me whether they are well trained terrorists or three people (all U.S. ex-military members) working together to cause mass casualties.
A terrorist group is still a terrorist group be they domestic or foreign.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 24, 2016 13:32:16 GMT -5
I have nothing to hide so I am absolutely ok with losing a little privacy to protect the citizens of our country.
I rank this logic up there with the if you don't support racial and religious profiling you must be anti-American. If only I cared where you rank my opinion on this subject
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 24, 2016 13:33:22 GMT -5
It is what it is Miss Tequila-angry people killing innocent people. Doesn't matter to me whether they are well trained terrorists or three people (all U.S. ex-military members) working together to cause mass casualties. A terrorist group is still a terrorist group be they domestic or foreign. 21 years have gone by since another incident like this....are you seriously saying we are at the same risk from another home grown terrorist (and he was a terrorist) as we are from radical muslims?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 24, 2016 13:39:31 GMT -5
Looks like Europe is in for a bit of a rough time. From the Associated Press: Security officials have told The Associated Press that the Islamic State group has trained at least 400 attackers and sent them into Europe for terror attacks.
The network of interlocking, agile and semiautonomous cells shows the reach of the extremist group in Europe even as it loses ground in Syria. The officials, including European and Iraqi intelligence officials and a French lawmaker who follows the jihadi networks, describe camps designed specifically to train for attacks against the West.
The officials say the fighters have been given orders to find the right time, place and method to carry out their mission. The truly ironic thing is that the only reason ISIS has lost ground in Syria because Pres. Putin, also supposedly an enemy of the US, has been bolstering Pres. Assad's regime in combating them, and the US has been confounding those efforts. I don't think most Americans realize the extent to which Europe is blaming America for what's going on over there. How are we confounding the efforts? By air dropping supplies to various factions trying to oust Al Assad, many of which have defected to fight with ISIS. Also, by putting pressure on the Saudis to send troops into Syria with the aim of deposing Al Assad. And let us not forget Ms. Clinton's campaign to depose Col. Qaddafi by throwing money and arms at Libyan rebels, plunging Libya into chaos and making it a stronghold for ISIS, bolstering their numbers in Syria. The US was largely responsible for destabilizing the Syrian regime in the first place. The Benghazi embassy was attacked because it was one of the entry points for CIA "rat lines" shipping arms through Turkey to arm "moderate militants" opposed to Al Assad's regime in Syria. The Obama administration has a frightful amount of blood on its hands. Perhaps not as much as the Bush administration, but they're giving Cheney et al. a real run for their money. Things may be "Rah, rah, America! It's all Bush's fault. No, it's all Obama's fault. Where's Europe?" in America, but in Europe and the European press, make no mistake: they know about the role of the American government in destabilizing these nations and fomenting these revolutions, they're slowly being overrun by the fallout, and they blame you--America--not just your out-of-control government. Seeing as how your two front-runners for the 2016 Presidency are a man who wants to blow the crap out of even more Islamic nations and the woman who near-single-handedly turned Libya into an ISIS cesspit, you can't really blame Europe for faulting you. You obviously haven't learned your lesson. It's not going to take too many more bombings before you start to see European politicians making comments like "it should be Americans being shot in their theaters and blown up in subways".
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 24, 2016 13:44:52 GMT -5
It is what it is Miss Tequila-angry people killing innocent people. Doesn't matter to me whether they are well trained terrorists or three people (all U.S. ex-military members) working together to cause mass casualties. A terrorist group is still a terrorist group be they domestic or foreign. 21 years have gone by since another incident like this....are you seriously saying we are at the same risk from another home grown terrorist (and he was a terrorist) as we are from radical muslims? And for us here in the States, it has been almost 15 years since 9/11. We are in greater danger today from home-grown idiots/terrorists with firearms than we are from foreign terrorists. We have had more domestic mass shootings (and far more death deaths) since 9/11 (Newtown, Virginia Tech, movie theaters, political rallies/Gabby Gifford, etc.) than Islamic terrorist shootings/attacks (San Bernadino, Ca.). As a country, we got all crazy=ass nuts over the San Bernardino shootings but accept the Newtowns, the Virginia Techs, the movie theater shooting because gun ownership is a Second Amendment right and that that is the price we pay for freedom in our country. And to be clear, I have no desire to take away anyone's weapons and have accepted the deaths as the price we must pay for the freedom of owning firearms.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Mar 24, 2016 13:48:15 GMT -5
Taking in refugees from anywhere could put us at risk. Again Islam is the second largest religion in the world. We stop Syrian refugees and they send in people another way. It'd just be more security theater to ban Syrian refugees. The terrorists that flew the planes in the Twin Towers were here on student visas. Which from what I understand it's a lot easier to get a student visa (and then never leave) than it is to get approved for refugee status in the United States. I understand Europe's problem with their interconnected boarders and lack of security in some areas. If you're coming HERE legally it's a lot harder to get in since we are pretty isolated. Course they could cross Mexican boarder illegally. That would be a way to get around banning refugees from entering the country. We'd have to build Trump's wall around the entire United States and ban any kind of international travel if we want to prevent terrorists from coming over. That is very true. My family has come to US as refugees. Do you know through how many checks and vetting processes we had to go through? We weren't just allowed to get into the country. Our prior lives were checked and rechecked. And then, on top of that, someone had to vouch for us in US. It took 4 months to go through interviews and medical evaluations. Or and one more thing - it wasn't US govt that was sponsoring us. It was a religious organization. So, why not have all those peaceful Muslims and their mosques do the same? Why aren't they jumping at the opportunity to help their fellow Islamic friends? Why aren't they paying for it? Let it be their responsibility of bringing all those refugees into the country. There certainly is a large number of them in US. They certainly know how to assert their rights. Where are they and what are they doing? I don't think banning Syrian refugees will do one thing to prevent any terrorist attacks. Terrorists are now recruiting white middle class girls to join them. I don't think there is ANYTHING we can do to stop that. Bc they are everywhere and they don't look just one way anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 13:50:03 GMT -5
So we ban Syrian refugees to stop that 10-13% who have a positive opinion.What about those already here that have a positive opinion? What about people from places other than Syria or other middle eastern countries that may have a positive opinion of ISIS? Again the neighbor in California who supplied the guns was from MEXICO. How do we stop people like him from aiding/becoming terrorists? Yes...because the Syrian refugees are going to admit that they are ISIS supporters when they get here
I don't have an answer to how to keep us safe...but I do know what we are doing isn't working. I think strengthening the borders (stopping illegals from everywhere, including the liberals believed mexico) is a start. Stop the hippy dippy "well our ancestors came through Elllis Island therefore we must let every whackjob in" is another start.
It kills me because we focus on shit that isn't a threat to national security but real threats we are told we should ignore so as not to offend anyone...I will never understand that logic.
I'm going to repeat again... more Americans killed by TODDLERS than terrorists last year. More MASS shootings OF Americans. BY Americans. than there were days in the year. last year.
I too find it hard to constantly focus so many resources on supposed threats while being told to ignore real threats least they offend someone.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 13:52:22 GMT -5
How are we confounding the efforts? By air dropping supplies to various factions trying to oust Al Assad, many of which have defected to fight with ISIS. Also, by putting pressure on the Saudis to send troops into Syria with the aim of deposing Al Assad. And let us not forget Ms. Clinton's campaign to depose Col. Qaddafi by throwing money and arms at Libyan rebels, plunging Libya into chaos and making it a stronghold for ISIS, bolstering their numbers in Syria. The US was largely responsible for destabilizing the Syrian regime in the first place. The Benghazi embassy was attacked because it was one of the entry points for CIA "rat lines" shipping arms through Turkey to arm "moderate militants" opposed to Al Assad's regime in Syria. The Obama administration has a frightful amount of blood on its hands. Perhaps not as much as the Bush administration, but they're giving Cheney et al. a real run for their money. Things may be "Rah, rah, America! It's all Bush's fault. No, it's all Obama's fault. Where's Europe?" in America, but in Europe and the European press, make no mistake: they know about the role of the American government in destabilizing these nations and fomenting these revolutions, they're slowly being overrun by the fallout, and they blame you--America--not just your out-of-control government. Seeing as how your two front-runners for the 2016 Presidency are a man who wants to blow the crap out of even more Islamic nations and the woman who near-single-handedly turned Libya into an ISIS cesspit, you can't really blame Europe for faulting you. You obviously haven't learned your lesson. It's not going to take too many more bombings before you start to see European politicians making comments like "it should be Americans being shot in their theaters and blown up in subways". I completely agree that our politicians on both side of the aisle have helped to create this mess and contributed to the growth and pace of the growth of extremism. Ultimately though I think it is our way of life that they despise and it would have happened eventually anyway. It's not new, just bigger. It is not just America they hate. They hate everyone unlike them and there are lots of us.
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Post by kittensaver on Mar 24, 2016 13:53:15 GMT -5
I too find it hard to constantly focus so many resources on supposed threats while being told to ignore real threats least they offend someone.
I also find it hard to constantly focus so many resources on supposed threats while being told to ignore real threat lest they offend someone.
I just think there is a fundamental difference here on this thread about who the "supposed" and "real" threats are
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 13:55:37 GMT -5
Yes...because the Syrian refugees are going to admit that they are ISIS supporters when they get here
I don't have an answer to how to keep us safe...but I do know what we are doing isn't working. I think strengthening the borders (stopping illegals from everywhere, including the liberals believed mexico) is a start. Stop the hippy dippy "well our ancestors came through Elllis Island therefore we must let every whackjob in" is another start.
It kills me because we focus on shit that isn't a threat to national security but real threats we are told we should ignore so as not to offend anyone...I will never understand that logic.
I'm going to repeat again... more Americans killed by TODDLERS than terrorists last year. More MASS shootings OF Americans. BY Americans. than there were days in the year. last year.
I too find it hard to constantly focus so many resources on supposed threats while being told to ignore real threats least they offend someone.
Yes TODDLERS! With the intention to kill you for making them take a nap! They don't believe in naps!
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 24, 2016 14:06:08 GMT -5
Holy crap I agreed with Virgil.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 24, 2016 14:23:52 GMT -5
By air dropping supplies to various factions trying to oust Al Assad, many of which have defected to fight with ISIS. Also, by putting pressure on the Saudis to send troops into Syria with the aim of deposing Al Assad. And let us not forget Ms. Clinton's campaign to depose Col. Qaddafi by throwing money and arms at Libyan rebels, plunging Libya into chaos and making it a stronghold for ISIS, bolstering their numbers in Syria. The US was largely responsible for destabilizing the Syrian regime in the first place. The Benghazi embassy was attacked because it was one of the entry points for CIA "rat lines" shipping arms through Turkey to arm "moderate militants" opposed to Al Assad's regime in Syria. The Obama administration has a frightful amount of blood on its hands. Perhaps not as much as the Bush administration, but they're giving Cheney et al. a real run for their money. Things may be "Rah, rah, America! It's all Bush's fault. No, it's all Obama's fault. Where's Europe?" in America, but in Europe and the European press, make no mistake: they know about the role of the American government in destabilizing these nations and fomenting these revolutions, they're slowly being overrun by the fallout, and they blame you--America--not just your out-of-control government. Seeing as how your two front-runners for the 2016 Presidency are a man who wants to blow the crap out of even more Islamic nations and the woman who near-single-handedly turned Libya into an ISIS cesspit, you can't really blame Europe for faulting you. You obviously haven't learned your lesson. It's not going to take too many more bombings before you start to see European politicians making comments like "it should be Americans being shot in their theaters and blown up in subways". I completely agree that our politicians on both side of the aisle have helped to create this mess and contributed to the growth and pace of the growth of extremism. Ultimately though I think it is our way of life that they despise and it would have happened eventually anyway. It's not new, just bigger. It is not just America they hate. They hate everyone unlike them and there are lots of us.
For the terrorists, I think you're right. I'm talking about the Europeans hating you.
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Post by milee on Mar 24, 2016 16:26:36 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure my wonderbread neighborhood is less likely to harbor a muslim terrorist than a neighborhood full of muslims (I can pretty much assure you that a muslim in my neighborhood would stick out like a sore thumb ...and would be watched much more closely by the cops and the neighbors).
Why would you think that your neighborhood would be less likely to harbor a Muslim terrorist? One of our nicest, most exclusive gated neighborhoods in town "harbored" (meaning they owned a home there) a Saudi family that was tied to and supported first the 9/11 "pilots" and then later an Al Qaeda operative who was charged with a plot to bomb the subway in NY. This Saudi family and their extended family lived in this McMansion for six years, fleeing just before 9/11. They lived on the same street as my friend who is a circuit court judge. The neighborhood is predominantly white and houses usually sell for $600k - $1 million but there's one cheapie for sale at just below $500k right now. It's pretty wonderbread there. Guess the terrorist sympathizers didn't get the memo that they needed to live in the Muslim area.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Mar 24, 2016 16:32:31 GMT -5
Tell you what. These folks believe you as an infidel are to either submit or die. Well, I'm an infidel, and I have no plans of submitting. Dying doesn't sound real appealing either. So, I've been giving this part of the Islamic jihad some thought. Most, if not all, faiths are centered around the belief that each is the one true religion. Certainly, Islam has this tenet, as does each of the many Christian sects, the Jewish faith, etc. And, most, if not all, true believers of any faith ascribe to the belief that martyrdom for their individual faith leads to an afterlife in heaven (with all its promised glories). With me so far? So, if an Islamic terrorist kills a non-Muslim because the non-Muslim is an infidel, and if that non-Muslim believes in a different faith that subscribes to martyrdom, hasn't the Islamic terrorist just written the non-Muslim an automatic ticket to heaven -- and whether or not the non-Muslim was leading a life which rendered him or her otherwise heaven-bound? Hasn't the terrorist just done the "infidel" the BIGGEST favor ever??!! I mean, get murdered by an Islamic terrorist, and if you believe in heaven and in martyrdom for your faith, SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Better yet -- I can do whatever I want in THIS life as long as I believe that if, and when, I am martyred for my faith beliefs, I will go to heaven. Seven deadly sins, here I come................. Islamic terrorists clearly haven't thought this Jihad thing all the way through...
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... Most, if not all, faiths are centered around the belief that each is the one true religion. Certainly, Islam has this tenet, as does each of the many Christian sects, the Jewish faith, etc. .... Not Budhism, the Budha said,
“Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.”
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Mar 24, 2016 16:39:31 GMT -5
... Most, if not all, faiths are centered around the belief that each is the one true religion. Certainly, Islam has this tenet, as does each of the many Christian sects, the Jewish faith, etc. .... Not Budhism, the Budha said,
“Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.”Ok, so the Buddhists gain nothing by being victims of Islamic terrorists, but this Catholic girl would.
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Post by Tiny on Mar 24, 2016 16:50:33 GMT -5
Tell you what. These folks believe you as an infidel are to either submit or die. Well, I'm an infidel, and I have no plans of submitting. Dying doesn't sound real appealing either. So, I've been giving this part of the Islamic jihad some thought. Most, if not all, faiths are centered around the belief that each is the one true religion. Certainly, Islam has this tenet, as does each of the many Christian sects, the Jewish faith, etc. And, most, if not all, true believers of any faith ascribe to the belief that martyrdom for their individual faith leads to an afterlife in heaven (with all its promised glories). With me so far? So, if an Islamic terrorist kills a non-Muslim because the non-Muslim is an infidel, and if that non-Muslim believes in a different faith that subscribes to martyrdom, hasn't the Islamic terrorist just written the non-Muslim an automatic ticket to heaven -- and whether or not the non-Muslim was leading a life which rendered him or her otherwise heaven-bound? Hasn't the terrorist just done the "infidel" the BIGGEST favor ever??!! I mean, get murdered by an Islamic terrorist, and if you believe in heaven and in martyrdom for your faith, SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Better yet -- I can do whatever I want in THIS life as long as I believe that if, and when, I am martyred for my faith beliefs, I will go to heaven. Seven deadly sins, here I come................. Islamic terrorists clearly haven't thought this Jihad thing all the way through... No, the thing you're missing is that it isn't about you <-- the generic "belong to a different religion than me" you. Religions are all about ME! ME! ME! <-- where ME! tends to be their god(s). God(s) don't really care much about humans (holy books tend to be about how HUMANS can PLEASE the GODS because if the god(s) ain't happy nobody is happy. Doesn't matter what humans want - it's what the god(s) want.) so the religious tend to work from the point of view that EVERYONE is subjected their god(s) rules/regulations regardless of what god(s)/traditions everyone else follows.
That's one of the big discussion points with the various Denominations of Christianity (above and beyond transubstantiation) who exactly gets to go to heaven?? Catholics? Lutherans? Episcopalians? Baptists? insert the name of a religious group here. The old which is necessary to get to a heaven? "Faith" or "Actions"?
That was a big break thru for the Catholic church - that other Christian denominations had a shot at heaven -- and that OMG! maybe, just maybe, an atheist would have shot at heaven... Cause maybe God would weigh one's Actions along with one's Faith when dishing out heavenly justice at the Pearly Gates.
OK, Think about the Mormons and why they were baptizing dead people of other religions- in order to save their souls -- because they got it wrong in life?
So, the terrorists are pretty confident (if they truly have Faith) that they are sending all the infidels to somewhere other than "heaven".... doesn't matter what god(s) or how much faith in those god(s) the infidel has... they've got the WRONG god(s).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 16:56:27 GMT -5
Not Budhism, the Budha said,
“Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.”Ok, so the Buddhists gain nothing by being victims of Islamic terrorists, but this Catholic girl would. Its from a website called 'fake budha qoutes" so it might not be legitimate
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Post by Tiny on Mar 24, 2016 16:56:32 GMT -5
Not Budhism, the Budha said,
“Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.”Ok, so the Buddhists gain nothing by being victims of Islamic terrorists, but this Catholic girl would. Isn't that how the Crusades kept going... (well, that and money...)
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