whoisjohngalt
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Mar 10, 2016 21:25:18 GMT -5
Did Later said why she was leaving? Is she taking a break, coming back? What's happening there?
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Post by gregintenn on Mar 10, 2016 21:29:20 GMT -5
Mods probably banned her. How 'bout it, mmhmm?
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Mar 10, 2016 21:30:56 GMT -5
Oh crap, now I'll never find out. Mmmhhhmmm will say its "gossiping" and none of my business
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Post by DagnyT on Mar 10, 2016 21:52:04 GMT -5
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Post by gregintenn on Mar 10, 2016 21:53:44 GMT -5
Oh my! Johan Galt and Dagney Taggert in the same thread!!!!!
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Post by DagnyT on Mar 10, 2016 21:56:03 GMT -5
Yep!! You must be pretty literate to even guess that the T stood for Taggert!!
Dagny is such a strong female character. I wish I were more like her. Should have read that book in high school, then maybe I would be. Lol.
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Post by gregintenn on Mar 10, 2016 22:01:47 GMT -5
It's never too late! Oh yeah...I'm in Tennessee. Literate would be the last word used to describe me on this board.
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Post by DagnyT on Mar 10, 2016 22:05:41 GMT -5
It's never too late! Oh yeah...I'm in Tennessee. Literate would be the last word used to describe me on this board. Oh, I read it about 3 years ago. Great book. I'm in NC so I know that the South is not inhabited solely by illiterates, just like the North is not inhabited solely by intellectual elites.
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Post by gregintenn on Mar 10, 2016 22:06:36 GMT -5
I wish I could change my screenname to Hank Reardon now!
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Post by zibazinski on Mar 10, 2016 22:07:44 GMT -5
Vacation isn't she?
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Post by DagnyT on Mar 10, 2016 22:08:35 GMT -5
I wish I could change my screenname to Hank Reardon now! You can!
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Post by gregintenn on Mar 10, 2016 22:09:44 GMT -5
Who'd be Wesley Mouch? Mmhmm?
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Post by DagnyT on Mar 10, 2016 22:12:28 GMT -5
Who'd be Wesley Mouch? Mmhmm? You'll get yourself banned talking like that!
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Post by gregintenn on Mar 10, 2016 22:13:14 GMT -5
Nobody ever listens to Wesley.
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Post by chiver78 on Mar 10, 2016 22:17:29 GMT -5
Mods probably banned her. How 'bout it, mmhmm? "banned" posters have their accounts disabled. all their content is still there, and their usernames are still links. so your conspiracy theory is a little off, just thought you'd like to know. as to where later is, why she's not here, or any of that, I can't help you. posters are free to delete their accounts at will, which appears to be what happened here. -chiver mod
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Post by DagnyT on Mar 10, 2016 22:19:04 GMT -5
Nobody ever listens to Wesley. But Wesley was pretty ignorant. Mmhmm is pretty smart!
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Post by gregintenn on Mar 10, 2016 22:19:14 GMT -5
Thanks chiver! So where's mmhmm? I've not been harassed by her in a week or so now.
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Post by chiver78 on Mar 10, 2016 22:26:23 GMT -5
you must have cleaned up your act in the last week, then. mmhmm doesn't harass anybody any more than I do.
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Post by Tiny on Mar 10, 2016 22:26:32 GMT -5
It's never too late! Oh yeah...I'm in Tennessee. Literate would be the last word used to describe me on this board. Oh, I read it about 3 years ago. Great book. I'm in NC so I know that the South is not inhabited solely by illiterates, just like the North is not inhabited solely by intellectual elites. LOL! I tried reading it about a year ago (for the first time). All the sexual innuendos and sexual repression of the first chapter (all those trains and pistons and hammering and spurting hot molten steel and tall buildings) was, um, entertaining but the writing style was a little too overly dramatic/overwrought for me. I also just wanted to SLAP Dagny (and Readon) and not in sexually playful sort of way. The sexual tension got kinda cheesy andold -- and the 'mysterious' plot stuff wasn't really all that mysterious even though I knew next to nothing about the story or the characters. I didn't make it past the 4rd Chapter... because I started wanting to SLAP -- OK, maybe not slap - more like take a shovel to Ayn Rand and/or her editor's head and then bury their bodies down by the river... I just couldn't take her writing style. I opted for the Cliff Notes instead of painfully plowing thru the 1000 plus pages. So, I do see the attraction of the characters and plot and themes... it's just not something I want to spend a lot of time reading. That said, I probably should have read it back when I was in HS or in College (when I had less literature/history/life experience under my belt) - I might have been more willing to 'just go with it' and enjoy the 'ride'
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Post by gregintenn on Mar 10, 2016 22:29:09 GMT -5
you must have cleaned up your act in the last week, then. mmhmm doesn't harass anybody any more than I do. I disagree. I don't recall you ever having a cross word toward me. Anyway, seriously, I hope nothing's wrong. I see she was on 6 hours ago, but I haven't seen her post for a while. Maybe I'm just not looking in the right spots.
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Post by DagnyT on Mar 10, 2016 22:41:13 GMT -5
Oh, I read it about 3 years ago. Great book. I'm in NC so I know that the South is not inhabited solely by illiterates, just like the North is not inhabited solely by intellectual elites. LOL! I tried reading it about a year ago (for the first time). All the sexual innuendos and sexual repression of the first chapter (all those trains and pistons and hammering and spurting hot molten steel and tall buildings) was, um, entertaining but the writing style was a little too overly dramatic/overwrought for me. I also just wanted to SLAP Dagny (and Readon) and not in sexually playful sort of way. The sexual tension got kinda cheesy andold -- and the 'mysterious' plot stuff wasn't really all that mysterious even though I knew next to nothing about the story or the characters. I didn't make it past the 4rd Chapter... because I started wanting to SLAP -- OK, maybe not slap - more like take a shovel to Ayn Rand and/or her editor's head and then bury their bodies down by the river... I just couldn't take her writing style. I opted for the Cliff Notes instead of painfully plowing thru the 1000 plus pages. So, I do see the attraction of the characters and plot and themes... it's just not something I want to spend a lot of time reading. That said, I probably should have read it back when I was in HS or in College (when I had less literature/history/life experience under my belt) - I might have been more willing to 'just go with it' and enjoy the 'ride' Believe me. I have plenty of literature/history/life experience under my belt. I am a history major, a librarian, and I am old. That book is amazing in my opinion and explains a lot about the problems we have in this world. I'm sorry you didn't like it. There are plenty of books that I didn't like either, and I have read thousands, actually tens of thousands and that is not an exaggeration.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Mar 10, 2016 22:44:52 GMT -5
OK, so this is all fascinating, but didn't answer my original question!
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Post by DagnyT on Mar 10, 2016 22:48:39 GMT -5
OK, so this is all fascinating, but didn't answer my original question! Sorry for hijacking your thread. Maybe someone will chime in soon. Come on people! Inquiring minds want to know!!
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Mar 10, 2016 22:50:05 GMT -5
Oh I don't care about thread hi-jack, I just want to know what happened
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Post by DagnyT on Mar 10, 2016 22:53:19 GMT -5
I read her posts as argumentative, so I'm sticking with that. I don't mean any disrespect because I'm pretty argumentative in real life.
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Post by Tiny on Mar 10, 2016 23:09:35 GMT -5
LOL! I tried reading it about a year ago (for the first time). All the sexual innuendos and sexual repression of the first chapter (all those trains and pistons and hammering and spurting hot molten steel and tall buildings) was, um, entertaining but the writing style was a little too overly dramatic/overwrought for me. I also just wanted to SLAP Dagny (and Readon) and not in sexually playful sort of way. The sexual tension got kinda cheesy andold -- and the 'mysterious' plot stuff wasn't really all that mysterious even though I knew next to nothing about the story or the characters. I didn't make it past the 4rd Chapter... because I started wanting to SLAP -- OK, maybe not slap - more like take a shovel to Ayn Rand and/or her editor's head and then bury their bodies down by the river... I just couldn't take her writing style. I opted for the Cliff Notes instead of painfully plowing thru the 1000 plus pages. So, I do see the attraction of the characters and plot and themes... it's just not something I want to spend a lot of time reading. That said, I probably should have read it back when I was in HS or in College (when I had less literature/history/life experience under my belt) - I might have been more willing to 'just go with it' and enjoy the 'ride' Believe me. I have plenty of literature/history/life experience under my belt. I am a history major, a librarian, and I am old. That book is amazing in my opinion and explains a lot about the problems we have in this world. I'm sorry you didn't like it. There are plenty of books that I didn't like either, and I have read thousands, actually tens of thousands and that is not an exaggeration. LOL! And that's why people still read the book today! I like hearing about other people's experience with it. So far, people seem to be divided into the Love it!/Hate it! with few in the middle. My "less experience" would be with better able to deal with what I perceived as a heavy handed writing style (and a couple fewer "images" from other books like the Steely Dan... Poor Dagny could have just built her own.). Probably best I went with the cliff notes. Too much Kerouac and Burroughs and Asimov (for the political stuff) already in my head... B
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Mar 10, 2016 23:15:59 GMT -5
Now I have something to add to my reading list!
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Post by DagnyT on Mar 10, 2016 23:22:30 GMT -5
Since Ayn Rand came to us from a communist country, I think she just wanted to show us what complete government over regulation and central planning really does to the economy and to our lives. I didn't see her writing style as heavy handed; I think she just told it like she saw it.
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Post by Tiny on Mar 10, 2016 23:23:34 GMT -5
Now I have something to add to my reading list! I DO admire people who have read Atlas Shrugged (and Fountainhead)... it's the writing style that killed it for me... versus a bad story or not liking the characters. Hence the cliff notes... Rand does paint some very cool images in those first few chapters -- I can easily see them as cool movie scenes and the themes of the book are good for discussion. If you can get thru it - I'd say go for it!
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Post by Tiny on Mar 10, 2016 23:38:32 GMT -5
Since Ayn Rand came to us from a communist country, I think she just wanted to show us what complete government over regulation and central planning really does to the economy and to our lives. I didn't see her writing style as heavy handed; I think she just told it like she saw it. Yes. Absolutely. I thought it was a bit odd though that she seemed to be advocating "no regulation at all"... the whole untested Reardon steel thing...seemed like she was advocating "just do what seems to make sense - and if people get hurt or it fails - well, they knew the risks too bad for them" Dagny and Reardon were going to build rails without any sort of 'testing' to insure that the rails really would work.. and not destroy trains or cargo or people.. because they knew in their hearts it would work. (Mind you I didn't read the whole book). The Utopia thing made me scratch my head - hasn't the continual failure of EVERY SINGLE one thru out history - kind of maybe proved that you can't run and hide from the problems of Human Nature? Her descriptions went on and on and on in infinite detail. The 3rd time the "good old boys" got together in the 'dark, dank, bar where they could barely see each to cut their deals" and which was described each time in 4 paragraphs before she got to the 3 sentences about what they were doing/deciding, did me in. And the flash back that felt like 30 pages describing why she 'loved' the Playboy guy whose name escapes me, also made me impatient (but I could see where I needed the 'back story"). But then when we flashed forward to her meeting up with him again - and she repeated most of those 30 pages again... That just did me in. Both of those scenarios was a lot like Tolkien describing Trees for the millionth time in Lord of the Rings. Again, it's her writing style that did me in - not the story or the characters.
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