Did I miss a post?

[DagnyT]

Mar 10, 2016 23:38:32 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Mar 10, 2016 23:22:30 GMT -5 DagnyT said:

Since Ayn Rand came to us from a communist country, I think she just wanted to show us what complete government over regulation and central planning really does to the economy and to our lives. I didn't see her writing style as heavy handed; I think she just told it like she saw it.

Yes.  Absolutely.      I thought it was a bit odd though that she seemed to be advocating "no regulation at all"... the whole untested Reardon steel thing...seemed like she was advocating "just do what seems to make sense - and if people get hurt or it fails - well, they knew the risks too bad for them"  Dagny and Reardon were going to build rails without any sort of 'testing' to insure that the rails really would work.. and not destroy trains or cargo or people.. because they knew in their hearts it would work.   (Mind you I didn't read the whole book).    The Utopia thing made me scratch my head - hasn't the continual failure of EVERY SINGLE one thru out history - kind of maybe proved that you can't run and hide from the problems of Human Nature?

Her descriptions went on and on and on in infinite detail.   The 3rd time the "good old boys" got together in the 'dark, dank, bar where they could barely see each to cut their deals"  and which was described each time in 4 paragraphs before she got to the 3 sentences about what they were doing/deciding, did me in.  And the flash back  that felt like 30 pages describing why she 'loved' the Playboy guy whose name escapes me, also made me impatient (but I could see where I needed the 'back story").  But then when we flashed forward to her meeting up with him again - and she repeated most of those 30 pages again... That just did me in.   Both of those scenarios  was a lot like Tolkien describing Trees for the millionth time in Lord of the Rings.   Again, it's her writing style that did me in - not the story or the characters. 

My learning disability is that I don't remember everything I read, but if I am remembering correctly, the steel had been tested and worked. The government just used that as an excuse so that they could nationalize Reardon steel, and essentially steal it from its creator. It is a long, long book. I haven't read the Cliff Notes so I'm not sure how they treat the book.

ETA: Don't talk about the trees to a true Tolkien fan. They will come after you.  Me, I've seen the movies but not read the books. Bad me. Need to add those to my reading list.

[Wisconsin Beth]

You are not missing anything by not reading Tolkien, in my opinion. Iv we plowed through Lord of the Rings twice now and it's hours of reading time I will never get back.

[Knee Deep in Water Chloe]

Mar 11, 2016 1:32:32 GMT -5 Wisconsin Beth said:

You are not missing anything by not reading Tolkien, in my opinion. Iv we plowed through Lord of the Rings twice now and it's hours of reading time I will never get back.

I'm not a fantasy genre person either, but those--though The Hobbit especially--are my husband's all time favorite books. He could probably quote you most of The Hobbit. He refused to watch Peter Jackson's Trilogy. He's pretty sure Jackson butchered the story line based on the previews they showed. 

[moon/Laura]

Mar 10, 2016 21:25:18 GMT -5 whoisjohngalt said:

Did Later said why she was leaving?  Is she taking a break, coming back?  What's happening there?

May I refer you to the CoC?

"People leave the board for various reasons. Sometimes it's because they're banned, but usually it's because they CHOSE to leave. If that member starts their own "goodbye" thread to share those reasons, fine. But if they do not, then please respect their privacy and do not gossip or speculate about it on the board. That doesn't mean their name can't be mentioned, but posts and/or threads about "why did <poster name> leave?" will be removed. "

[Deleted]

I did read Atlas Shrugged in high school. To me Olivia Pope is kind of the personification of Dagney Taggart. Strong as nails, until you let a man in the room.

Rand does write a good fairy tale. Even she couldn't live up to her ideals.

[GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl]

It's really a 300 page book, tops, stretched to a 1,000 because Rand got paid by the word. ;-)

[Deleted]

Mar 11, 2016 1:50:06 GMT -5 Knee Deep in Water Chloe said:

Mar 11, 2016 1:32:32 GMT -5 Wisconsin Beth said:

You are not missing anything by not reading Tolkien, in my opinion. Iv we plowed through Lord of the Rings twice now and it's hours of reading time I will never get back.

I'm not a fantasy genre person either, but those--though The Hobbit especially--are my husband's all time favorite books. He could probably quote you most of The Hobbit. He refused to watch Peter Jackson's Trilogy. He's pretty sure Jackson butchered the story line based on the previews they showed. 

I liked LOTR.  It's one of the few fantasy books I'd ever read up until recently, but now I'm reading the Game of Thrones series and really like those too. 

[whoisjohngalt]

Mar 11, 2016 6:25:49 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Mar 10, 2016 21:25:18 GMT -5 whoisjohngalt said:

Did Later said why she was leaving?  Is she taking a break, coming back?  What's happening there?

May I refer you to the CoC?

"People leave the board for various reasons. Sometimes it's because they're banned, but usually it's because they CHOSE to leave. If that member starts their own "goodbye" thread to share those reasons, fine. But if they do not, then please respect their privacy and do not gossip or speculate about it on the board. That doesn't mean their name can't be mentioned, but posts and/or threads about "why did <poster name> leave?" will be removed. "

Yeah, yeah, but sometimes posters actually say that they are taking a break or will be off the board.  Thus my title - did I miss a post.

And as you can see, no one is going crazy gossiping about Later, this thread went in a COMPLETELY different direction, so no worries about breaking CoC.

[moon/Laura]

I know it moved on, which is why it's not locked. But if you're curious, then perhaps sending a PM or two would have been the way to go. It's gossip either way, but it doesn't need to be public. 

[NoNamePerson]

Mar 11, 2016 9:15:06 GMT -5 whoisjohngalt said:

Mar 11, 2016 6:25:49 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

May I refer you to the CoC?

"People leave the board for various reasons. Sometimes it's because they're banned, but usually it's because they CHOSE to leave. If that member starts their own "goodbye" thread to share those reasons, fine. But if they do not, then please respect their privacy and do not gossip or speculate about it on the board. That doesn't mean their name can't be mentioned, but posts and/or threads about "why did <poster name> leave?" will be removed. "

Yeah, yeah, but sometimes posters actually say that they are taking a break or will be off the board.  Thus my title - did I miss a post.

And as you can see, no one is going crazy gossiping about Later, this thread went in a COMPLETELY different direction, so no worries about breaking CoC.

Can you go back and edit the Subject Line to say Did I Miss A Post about reading fantasy genre books?? That might solve the problem  

[Deleted]

Mar 11, 2016 9:34:38 GMT -5 NoNamePerson said:

Mar 11, 2016 9:15:06 GMT -5 whoisjohngalt said:

Yeah, yeah, but sometimes posters actually say that they are taking a break or will be off the board.  Thus my title - did I miss a post.

And as you can see, no one is going crazy gossiping about Later, this thread went in a COMPLETELY different direction, so no worries about breaking CoC.

Can you go back and edit the Subject Line to say Did I Miss A Post about reading fantasy genre books?? That might solve the problem  

Suggestions for other ones would be nice too. 

[Tiny]

Mar 10, 2016 23:45:26 GMT -5 DagnyT said:

Mar 10, 2016 23:38:32 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Yes.  Absolutely.      I thought it was a bit odd though that she seemed to be advocating "no regulation at all"... the whole untested Reardon steel thing...seemed like she was advocating "just do what seems to make sense - and if people get hurt or it fails - well, they knew the risks too bad for them"  Dagny and Reardon were going to build rails without any sort of 'testing' to insure that the rails really would work.. and not destroy trains or cargo or people.. because they knew in their hearts it would work.   (Mind you I didn't read the whole book).    The Utopia thing made me scratch my head - hasn't the continual failure of EVERY SINGLE one thru out history - kind of maybe proved that you can't run and hide from the problems of Human Nature?

Her descriptions went on and on and on in infinite detail.   The 3rd time the "good old boys" got together in the 'dark, dank, bar where they could barely see each to cut their deals"  and which was described each time in 4 paragraphs before she got to the 3 sentences about what they were doing/deciding, did me in.  And the flash back  that felt like 30 pages describing why she 'loved' the Playboy guy whose name escapes me, also made me impatient (but I could see where I needed the 'back story").  But then when we flashed forward to her meeting up with him again - and she repeated most of those 30 pages again... That just did me in.   Both of those scenarios  was a lot like Tolkien describing Trees for the millionth time in Lord of the Rings.   Again, it's her writing style that did me in - not the story or the characters. 

My learning disability is that I don't remember everything I read, but if I am remembering correctly, the steel had been tested and worked. The government just used that as an excuse so that they could nationalize Reardon steel, and essentially steal it from its creator. It is a long, long book. I haven't read the Cliff Notes so I'm not sure how they treat the book.

ETA: Don't talk about the trees to a true Tolkien fan. They will come after you.  Me, I've seen the movies but not read the books. Bad me. Need to add those to my reading list.

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Yeah, ok, Tolkien doesn't really describe the Trees - he keeps going over his idealistic/romanticized view of pastorial life and how wonderful the world would be if everyone could just 'get in tune' with nature and farm the land - even better if you could be a gentleman farmer... don't need to mechanize or change anything at - just keep doing it the tried and true 'old way'.           Personally, I think Cather's  O Pioneers! did a better job (in fewer pages) of romanticizing "pastorial life'" -- and instead of an epic battle (blood shed and destruction) - she gave us the iconic image of the sun setting on the verdant fields behind an old fashion plow.  Awesome.    

[Tiny]

Mar 11, 2016 9:15:06 GMT -5 whoisjohngalt said:

Mar 11, 2016 6:25:49 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

May I refer you to the CoC?

"People leave the board for various reasons. Sometimes it's because they're banned, but usually it's because they CHOSE to leave. If that member starts their own "goodbye" thread to share those reasons, fine. But if they do not, then please respect their privacy and do not gossip or speculate about it on the board. That doesn't mean their name can't be mentioned, but posts and/or threads about "why did <poster name> leave?" will be removed. "

Yeah, yeah, but sometimes posters actually say that they are taking a break or will be off the board.  Thus my title - did I miss a post.

And as you can see, no one is going crazy gossiping about Later, this thread went in a COMPLETELY different direction, so no worries about breaking CoC.

[Tiny]

Mar 11, 2016 9:47:23 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Mar 11, 2016 9:34:38 GMT -5 NoNamePerson said:

Can you go back and edit the Subject Line to say Did I Miss A Post about reading fantasy genre books?? That might solve the problem  

Suggestions for other ones would be nice too. 

If you are looking for fantasy genre books suggestions - I finally got around to reading the Earthsea books by Ursula le Guin... it's in the Tolkien vein (magic, wizards, and dragons... but so much better.)   these are young adult type books.   There's a Tales of Earthsea movie out of Ghibli Studios that's just stunningly beautiful - even if it doesn't really follow the stories/plots all that much (I'd read the books and then watch the movie - the movie is better is if you are familiar with the characters and how the Earthsea world works).   I want to go to the Earthsea depicted in the Ghibli Studios movie - and I have an irrational fear of water but I'd still sail those seas and see/visit those Islands. 

[gregintenn]

Mar 11, 2016 9:29:53 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

I know it moved on, which is why it's not locked. But if you're curious, then perhaps sending a PM or two would have been the way to go. It's gossip either way, but it doesn't need to be public. 

The idea may escape you, but some of us here may actually care about one another.

[Deleted]

Mar 11, 2016 12:25:13 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

Mar 11, 2016 9:29:53 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

I know it moved on, which is why it's not locked. But if you're curious, then perhaps sending a PM or two would have been the way to go. It's gossip either way, but it doesn't need to be public. 

The idea may escape you, but some of us here may actually care about one another.

If I disappear...HUNT ME DOWN!  I'm probably being held hostage in some psycho's basement getting bottles of lotion thrown at me.

[Jaguar]

Mar 11, 2016 12:33:18 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Mar 11, 2016 12:25:13 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

The idea may escape you, but some of us here may actually care about one another.

If I disappear...HUNT ME DOWN!  I'm probably being held hostage in some psycho's basement getting bottles of lotion thrown at me.

Okay I'll rescue you, you're safe.

[moon/Laura]

Mar 11, 2016 12:25:13 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

Mar 11, 2016 9:29:53 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

I know it moved on, which is why it's not locked. But if you're curious, then perhaps sending a PM or two would have been the way to go. It's gossip either way, but it doesn't need to be public. 

The idea may escape you, but some of us here may actually care about one another.

Yeah, I have people I care about too. Doesn't mean that we need public threads speculating about why someone is missing, followed by assuming we banned said person.

You want to gossip/speculate, do it privately.

[Deleted]

Mar 11, 2016 12:46:45 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Mar 11, 2016 12:25:13 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

The idea may escape you, but some of us here may actually care about one another.

Yeah, I have people I care about too. Doesn't mean that we need public threads speculating about why someone is missing, followed by assuming we banned said person.

You want to gossip/speculate, do it privately.

Again though.  I'm giving permission ahead of time.  COME FIND ME!!  Gossip, speculate, whatever...just COME FIND ME! 

[andi9899]

Mar 11, 2016 12:33:18 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Mar 11, 2016 12:25:13 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

The idea may escape you, but some of us here may actually care about one another.

If I disappear...HUNT ME DOWN!  I'm probably being held hostage in some psycho's basement getting bottles of lotion thrown at me.

It puts the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again.

[happyhoix]

Mar 11, 2016 1:50:06 GMT -5 Knee Deep in Water Chloe said:

Mar 11, 2016 1:32:32 GMT -5 Wisconsin Beth said:

You are not missing anything by not reading Tolkien, in my opinion. Iv we plowed through Lord of the Rings twice now and it's hours of reading time I will never get back.

I'm not a fantasy genre person either, but those--though The Hobbit especially--are my husband's all time favorite books. He could probably quote you most of The Hobbit. He refused to watch Peter Jackson's Trilogy. He's pretty sure Jackson butchered the story line based on the previews they showed. 

Jackson did. Tell your DH to avoid watching them at all costs.

You can give him a little glimpse - tell him Jackson bent over backwards to insert some romance for the tween girls. Yes, it was horrible.

[Chocolate Lover]

Mar 11, 2016 13:06:09 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Mar 11, 2016 12:46:45 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Yeah, I have people I care about too. Doesn't mean that we need public threads speculating about why someone is missing, followed by assuming we banned said person.

You want to gossip/speculate, do it privately.

Again though.  I'm giving permission ahead of time.  COME FIND ME!!  Gossip, speculate, whatever...just COME FIND ME! 

  Trust me when I say I won't leave without making my lack of presence known! It'll be a full out bedazzling I KWIT on my butt and leaving in a huff, make no mistake.

[zibazinski]

I need to find a library.

[Deleted]

Mar 11, 2016 16:14:56 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

I need to find a library.

LOL

Is that your way of saying we're wasting your time? 

[Chocolate Lover]

Mar 11, 2016 16:15:51 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Mar 11, 2016 16:14:56 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

I need to find a library.

LOL

Is that your way of saying we're wasting your time? 

No. She's saying we're boring and there's never anything good to read here anymore.

[zibazinski]

No, but I need to read these books.

[gregintenn]

I'm sure I'm offended, but not sure why!

[Artemis Windsong]

Mar 10, 2016 22:06:36 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

I wish I could change my screenname to Hank Reardon now!

You can on your profile page.  Just note it somewhere that you were this and am now that name. 

[moon/Laura]

It's not required to note the before and after name, just as an fyi. People just do it so it's easier to tell who they are. but it's not a rule.

did you know that there are forums that don't allow name changes? or, you have to 'earn' them.

[NoNamePerson]

Mar 11, 2016 13:06:09 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Mar 11, 2016 12:46:45 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Yeah, I have people I care about too. Doesn't mean that we need public threads speculating about why someone is missing, followed by assuming we banned said person.

You want to gossip/speculate, do it privately.

Again though.  I'm giving permission ahead of time.  COME FIND ME!!  Gossip, speculate, whatever...just COME FIND ME! 

I promise to start a thread with the Subject "MPL You're So Vain You Think This Thread Is About You" I promise to tag you so you don't miss it  

But I won't speculate, gossip or whatever in writing what has happened to you. That will get it locked. Just keep posting/sending up smoke signals till you show up.

Is that OK