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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2016 15:42:02 GMT -5
They are not struggling by any means. They have a lot of money. They can afford the timeshares just like they can afford the 50K new vehicles and the cable package with every channel. I'm saying it's a luxury. Not a deal. I'm saying it's a luxury. (understood) Not a deal. (whaaat? what is meaning of that?)
Bargain. Inexpensive way to vacation.
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Post by beergut on Mar 4, 2016 15:54:53 GMT -5
She's simply saying that for her parents, who can afford it, paying the bill for the timeshare every year is not an issue.
If someone is struggling to pay bills or save money or just struggling financially and looking at timeshares as a cheap way to vacation every year, it is not a cheap way to vacation every year. The maintenance fees on the timeshare end up making it a ripoff overall.
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Post by tloonya on Mar 4, 2016 16:02:25 GMT -5
She's simply saying that for her parents, who can afford it, paying the bill for the timeshare every year is not an issue. If someone is struggling to pay bills or save money or just struggling financially and looking at timeshares as a cheap way to vacation every year, it is not a cheap way to vacation every year. The maintenance fees on the timeshare end up making it a ripoff overall. Understood. For some people like me it was no big deal but how did I know I will end up like I am now? I understood for MPL parents it is a luxury they can afford so there is no issue there...why even bring them to the discussion. They don't want a deal aka bargain vacation. But they have better vacation for the money!
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Post by tloonya on Mar 4, 2016 16:03:34 GMT -5
She's simply saying that for her parents, who can afford it, paying the bill for the timeshare every year is not an issue. If someone is struggling to pay bills or save money or just struggling financially and looking at timeshares as a cheap way to vacation every year, it is not a cheap way to vacation every year. The maintenance fees on the timeshare end up making it a ripoff overall. The maintenance fee isn't rip off if you ever slept in mold smelling hotel you would know!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2016 16:12:23 GMT -5
She's simply saying that for her parents, who can afford it, paying the bill for the timeshare every year is not an issue. If someone is struggling to pay bills or save money or just struggling financially and looking at timeshares as a cheap way to vacation every year, it is not a cheap way to vacation every year. The maintenance fees on the timeshare end up making it a ripoff overall. Understood. For some people like me it was no big deal but how did I know I will end up like I am now? I understood for MPL parents it is a luxury they can afford so there is no issue there...why even bring them to the discussion. They don't want a deal aka bargain vacation. But they have better vacation for the money!
That's just it though, you buy into it FOR LIFE. You commit to paying that maintenance fee every year FOREVER. No matter what. And it can go up every year too. You might lose your job, you might decide you hate the ocean, you might become disabled and vacation is not easy for you anymore. It's almost guaranteed there will be years you don't use it, and probably years you use it when you really shouldn't (as in couldn't afford the other associated costs) The last vacation I took I rented a timeshare off of someone else for $300 for the week. I don't know how many people really pay those reported $500-$700/night fees they say the rooms rent for. I'm guessing most are actually rented out for much less. And how do you figure my parents are getting a better deal for the money, really family members are because they give most of the weeks away as gifts.
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Post by tskeeter on Mar 4, 2016 19:25:50 GMT -5
Well, for one thing. The maintenance fees aren't fixed. My parents have had their timeshares almost 30 years and they're now paying nearly 2K/year maintenance, EACH. That pays for a lot of rooms. Plus I don't want to be locked into a vacation every year, to "get my money's worth". Some years I just can't afford it. Even with a free room, you still have to take vacation from work, pay airfare, board pets, etc. I haven't gone anywhere for the past three years. They've been trying to sell the one for nearly 15 years now. I'm trying to figure out what I'm going to do when they die. Maybe just refuse it? Have they tried giving the timeshare back to the company? Usually won't work. If the company takes back a time share, they lose the maintenance fees until they can sell the timeshare again. Assuming they are still selling timeshares in that facility, they probably have more inventory on hand than they would like, without your timeshare. As long as they refuse to take back your timeshare, you are obligated for the maintenance fees.
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Post by seriousthistime on Mar 4, 2016 22:23:08 GMT -5
I had not actually seen any Russian nor Jew in there. This does not qualify as discrimination. Just because they're not responding to you does not mean you are being subject to discrimination. Have you talked to any other Russians/Jews who have applied for work there? Have they been turned down or denied an interview? The only way you can even *begin* to make a claim of discrimination in employment is if you can *show* that there is what is called a "pattern and practice" of refusing to interview or hire persons of a protected class. Or if they make statements (internally/privately or in public) that they don't hire certain persons in certain protected classes. If they don't want to talk to you, maybe they just don't like you or want you . That in and of itself is not discrimination. Maybe they see you as competition or wonder/worry about your motives for working there when you already HAVE a store? Maybe they only want to hire full-time and they assume you can't do it because you have a store? Maybe this Latisha person had a negative reaction to you? Who knows? Now - if you can actually FIND a handful or a small group of Russians and/or Jews who have been turned down for an interview or for employment while they are simultaneously actively advertising and hiring (or if you can substantiate an employee of the organizations making statements that they don't hire Russians and/or Jews), you *MIGHT* be on to the *BEGINNINGS* of something. But sincerely sorry to tell you this - one person does not qualify as a claim for discrimination. Well, under federal law, "pattern and practice" is not required (maybe it is not, under her state's laws though). One person can bring a claim of discrimination. "Pattern and practice" may be what a federal or state agency would have to show for a class of people, but it is not what an individual would have to show. But even if she can prove she belongs to a protected class and is qualified for the job, and she was not hired, and people from other national origins or religions were hired or that a job opening was unfilled after she applied, the store would still get to present a non-discriminatory reason for not hiring her. That you shop there all the time and your own store was in the neighborhood gives them a basis to give more than enough reasons not to hire you. Any reason they might feel you are not easy to get along with or might have difficulty dealing with their customers could be reason enough. Better to go to a store where you are a blank slate. Very few employment discrimination cases by an individual actually succeed.
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Post by tloonya on Mar 5, 2016 11:28:17 GMT -5
This does not qualify as discrimination. Just because they're not responding to you does not mean you are being subject to discrimination. Have you talked to any other Russians/Jews who have applied for work there? Have they been turned down or denied an interview? The only way you can even *begin* to make a claim of discrimination in employment is if you can *show* that there is what is called a "pattern and practice" of refusing to interview or hire persons of a protected class. Or if they make statements (internally/privately or in public) that they don't hire certain persons in certain protected classes. If they don't want to talk to you, maybe they just don't like you or want you . That in and of itself is not discrimination. Maybe they see you as competition or wonder/worry about your motives for working there when you already HAVE a store? Maybe they only want to hire full-time and they assume you can't do it because you have a store? Maybe this Latisha person had a negative reaction to you? Who knows? Now - if you can actually FIND a handful or a small group of Russians and/or Jews who have been turned down for an interview or for employment while they are simultaneously actively advertising and hiring (or if you can substantiate an employee of the organizations making statements that they don't hire Russians and/or Jews), you *MIGHT* be on to the *BEGINNINGS* of something. But sincerely sorry to tell you this - one person does not qualify as a claim for discrimination. Well, under federal law, "pattern and practice" is not required (maybe it is not, under her state's laws though). One person can bring a claim of discrimination. "Pattern and practice" may be what a federal or state agency would have to show for a class of people, but it is not what an individual would have to show. But even if she can prove she belongs to a protected class and is qualified for the job, and she was not hired, and people from other national origins or religions were hired or that a job opening was unfilled after she applied, the store would still get to present a non-discriminatory reason for not hiring her. That you shop there all the time and your own store was in the neighborhood gives them a basis to give more than enough reasons not to hire you. Any reason they might feel you are not easy to get along with or might have difficulty dealing with their customers could be reason enough. Better to go to a store where you are a blank slate. Very few employment discrimination cases by an individual actually succeed. OK, one guy told me that a day without me in the store is not worth living! He was the one who personally introduced me to Latisha. When I came to the interview everyone who passed us (while we were walking to the coffee shop to talk) were smiling to me, one lady hugged me, produce guy waved at me and coffee lady said 'my dear, how are you today'...YES these are indications of me being difficult and disliked. x2
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Post by seriousthistime on Mar 5, 2016 11:41:45 GMT -5
Or being viewed as a great talker. Someone who is prone to too much chit chat is not necessarily a good worker. A cashier who has to chit chat with each of the customers is not necessarily a good worker. We've all been to grocery stores where the cashier is so slow checking out the customers because she's chit chating with them (or even worse, cashiers chit chatting between themselves above the customers) that people are moving to other lanes. Friendliness needs to be balanced with productivity. That is a person who is "difficult dealing with customers."
I seriously doubt the reason they are not hiring you is because you are Russian or Jewish. But you have your own impression, so I am not going to try to disabuse you of whatever that is.
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Post by tloonya on Mar 5, 2016 12:02:49 GMT -5
Or being viewed as a great talker. Someone who is prone to too much chit chat is not necessarily a good worker. A cashier who has to chit chat with each of the customers is not necessarily a good worker. We've all been to grocery stores where the cashier is so slow checking out the customers because she's chit chating with them (or even worse, cashiers chit chatting between themselves above the customers) that people are moving to other lanes. Friendliness needs to be balanced with productivity. That is a person who is "difficult dealing with customers." I seriously doubt the reason they are not hiring you is because you are Russian or Jewish. But you have your own impression, so I am not going to try to disabuse you of whatever that is. I am thinking age could be it as well. I am 49 and most of new hired people there are kids. Everyone of age there had been there from the beginning or been transferred from another stores. However age shouldn't be a discriminatory factor.
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Post by zibazinski on Mar 5, 2016 16:11:13 GMT -5
It shouldn't be but it can be.
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Post by tloonya on Mar 8, 2016 15:42:44 GMT -5
I was officially rejected yesterday! We went with another candidates was the sentence. I don't care, I have other plans, however my question is why do you keep advertising IF you are fully staffed?
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Post by resolution on Mar 8, 2016 17:19:48 GMT -5
They may not be comfortable hiring the owner of a competing store. Trade secrets and all...
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Post by tloonya on Mar 10, 2016 11:02:15 GMT -5
They may not be comfortable hiring the owner of a competing store. Trade secrets and all... My store is 20 min drive from them! Plus mom-pop shop isn't a competition for a main chain supermarket!
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